Male Hillary supporter assaulted a woman because she supports Bernie - THAT'S violence

[cui bono]

Shameful behavior.

VIOLENT behavior.

Violent behavior that is DOCUMENTED.

Violent behavior that is NOT a lie or propaganda intended to smear a good person's supporters for political gain.

This is atrocious behavior. People need to check themselves when it comes to physically assaulting a woman as a male just because they don't support your chosen candidate.

Lying about violence is not a game. Anyone who keeps catapulting that propaganda against Bernie supporters needs to think long and hard about where they left their integrity.

Home'The Wire' Star Wendell Pierce -- Bloodied for Hillary Clinton (MUG SHOT)
'The Wire' Star Bloodied for Hillary Clinton in Alleged Assault Mug Shot



It appears Wendell Pierce got just as good as he gave in his alleged fight with a Bernie Sanders supporter in Atlanta ... now that we see his mug shot.

TMZ broke the story ... "The Wire" and 'Odd Couple' star got arrested and booked for battery Saturday when he -- a staunch backer of Hillary Clinton -- got into it with a woman who's voting for Sen. Sanders.

Pierce allegedly pushed the woman's boyfriend, then went after the woman ... grabbing her hair and smacking her in the head.

It's clear in the mug shot -- Wendell has scratches on his nose and upper lip. His reps have been silent since the arrest.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/16/wendell-pierce-assault-arrest-mug-shot-hillary-clinton/

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[pnwmom]

41. The Atlanta Police say the incident "did not rise to anything significant."

Two couples were involved in the argument, and Pierce has scratches on his face. Why are you deciding that the black guy was the only one at fault?

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132

The Atlanta Police Department only confirmed Sunday that Pierce was arrested but did not release details about the incident, which it said "did not rise to anything significant."

[Ash_F]

123. It would appear that they only arrested the actor.

[Buddyblazon]

152. You turned it into a racial thing?

You have no shame.

[pnwmom]

69. self-delete (dupe)

[AzDar]

2. K & R

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

3. K&R

HillBillies in action.

[liberal_at_heart]

4. K&R

[pinskinny]

5. nothing to see here folks, move along..move along..

[passiveporcupine]

6. Hmmm...who is going to bring violence to the GE convention?

Maybe it won't be Sanders' supporters.

[cui bono]

10. Yeah, the only actual incidents of violence I know about are from Hillary supporters.

And one of them actually said this incident should have only one OP about it, that's it. But look at all the OPs about no actual violence at all from the Hillary fans.

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[frylock]

80. One trick pony.

[pnwmom]

85. Right. Because the legal presumption of innocence is a "trick" when claimed by black people. n/t

[frylock]

87. A noun, a verb, and a black guy.

[Scootaloo]

129. Pretty much, yeah

Huey: "How do you not know CPR?"
Granddad: "I tried to learn CPR, but they wouldn't let me... 'cause i was black!"
Huey: "What?"
Granddad: "Oh sure nowadays y'all can just run around and learn CPR whenever y'all want to. Just go 'round, saving lives, resuscitating each other willy-nilly! But when I was a young man it used to be against the law to teach colored folks CPR, okay?"
Huey: "...Man that's not true!"

[frylock]

139. One of my favorite eps!

[cui bono]

92. Why are you bringing race into this? That's really odd.

So have you never seen an OP about anyone having been arrested? Have there only been OPs about people actually being convicted?

You are trying very hard to make this about me, but it's not. It's about a Hillary supporter, a male, who was arrested for physically assaulting a woman. This was actual violence. Not the made up smear about Nevada chairs.

I really am wondering why you are making this about race though? Not done with that smear? That was from so long ago. Is that why Hillary supporters keep using the term ""thug" when referring to Bernie supporters? That one is a real head scratcher since it's been considered a racist dog whistle for so long on here, yet Hillary supporters are using it all over now. It doesn't make sense to me, can you explain why that is?

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[pnwmom]

95. In the US in 2016 race is STILL a factor. And you assumed his guilt in your OP headline. Why? n/t

[cui bono]

99. Yes, but why did YOU bring race into THIS discussion? You SPECIFICALLY are bringing up his race.

And you are doing it all over the board now. No one else has brought up race, I know I sure didn't.

There is no reason that I can see to bring race into this.

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[pnwmom]

103. Because race is a factor that can't be ignored in any discussion of criminal justice.

Black people are more likely to be falsely accused and falsely arrested.

And seeing the headline of your OP and many reactions to it just confirms that fact.

[cui bono]

117. Oh please, this is about him being a Hillary supporter who was ACTUALLY arrested for violence.

And at a time when Hillary supporters are trying so damn hard to make Bernie supporters out to be violent, to the point of completely lying and making up the violence that never existed in the first place.

I can't believe that again, such a serious issue as racism is being exploited for political gain. No shame.

SMH

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[treestar]

133. Maybe it's not race, but being a Hillary supporter

Either way, Bernie supporters have forgotten about the innocent until proven guilty thing. You know, that's part of our legal system?

[cui bono]

140. No one has forgotten about that. But this is a real news item where as the chair being thrown

is made up bullshit designed to be used as a smear campaign.

Are you posting about that too? I'd like to see what you've said about it.

And as I asked the other poster - who is trying to slander me - what's wrong with posting a story about an arrest? S/he seems to think only stories about actual convictions are posted on DU. We all know that's not true.

The only reason that person brought up race was in an attempt to smear/slander me. It sickens me that Hillary supporters just will not stop exploiting such a serious issue as racism in their zeal to score political points. That is despicable. And you just jumped right on that train in your other post.

.

[kiva]

102. I'm flexible.

Post a pic of a white Bernie supporter who has assaulted a Hillary supporter. To make it fair, include arrested, witnesses and actual assault, not a raised chair or phone calls. I promise you I'll say they were wrong also.

[pnwmom]

105. Please post a picture of a Hillary supporter actually assaulting a Bernie supporter,

rather than the mere claim that one did.

Or even a picture of Wendell Pierce with a chair raised in a threatening manner over his head.

[kiva]

112. Moving the post?

OK, I'll play. Show me an arrest of a Bernie supporter assaulting a Hillary supporter.

[cui bono]

142. Mere claim? Wow. You are unreal.

Please posts your requests to see the video (that doesn't exist because it never happened) of the chair being thrown. And whatever else Hillary supporters are calling "violence".

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[dchill]

83. Broctologists in disguise.

[Fumesucker]

7. K&R for the mug shot

[pnwmom]

43. He's got scratches on his face. Why assume the black guy is guilty when two couples

are involved in an argument?

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132

The Atlanta Police Department only confirmed Sunday that Pierce was arrested but did not release details about the incident, which it said "did not rise to anything significant."

[imari362]

89. It's pathetic...

But typical of Hillary supporters to use race...coming and going.
Her supporters embodies everything she says and does.
Blacks are used for their votes then discarded, ignored or talked down to.

[imari362]

98. Won't work with me.

I am a "Black person" also a woman and also a grandmother of teenagers.

That being said, I say this......

Your RACE CARD..."Bernie and his supporters are racist"
Your SEXIST CARD..."Bernie and his supporters hate women"
Your YOUNG and DUMB CARD..."Bernie supporters want free stuff"

Are all null and void on me.

I called what I seen from you and other Hillary supporters throughout this thread and spewed all over this forum, deny if it helps you get along with yourself but the words are there for any reasonably thinking person to see for themselves.

Hillary supporters are just what their candidate is.

Thank You

[AntiBank]

106. that is pure shite and you damn well know it, despicable

Plus it's a fucking strawman, no one on the Sanders side ever said its double plus bad or a prioi worse due to that actor's race.

[pnwmom]

107. Why does the OP assume his guilt? Why do so many others?

Without any posted video evidence or any conviction? Merely on the basis of a police report that he disputes?

[AntiBank]

110. why do you inject race into it??? just sickening, do you have any shame??

[pnwmom]

113. Because in the US there is different treatment of white and blacks under the criminal justice system

even though EVERYONE is supposed to be entitled to the presumption of innocence. Given our history, I don't think it is a coincidence that the man people here are willing to make an exception for is African American.

[AntiBank]

116. NO, you have tried to excuse goon behaviour by redirection into a non germane topic

[TheFarS1de]

8. He went after a woman and attacked her .

...what a hero

[pnwmom]

44. Oh, really. He's been convicted then? Or are you convicting him on the basis of his skin color?

Because two couples were involved in that argument, and scratch marks are visible on his face.

[Hoyt]

56. I think it's just as possible the Sanders' supporters slammed Pierce like they have evry other Black

endorsing Clinton. If Pierce struck out over politics, he should be prosecuted. I bet there's more to story.

[pnwmom]

58. The fact that the police department says that the incident isn't significant says a LOT, I think. n/

[AntiBank]

111. Hillary supporters have no problem spreading the outright LIE that chairs were thrown in Nevada

so pardon me if I challenge your sudden defense of the "truth" or due process or fact finding

[George II]

160. Chairs were thrown, check the article on Newsweek from May 18.

[AntiBank]

162. blatant lie

[AlbertCat]

163. Chairs were thrown, check the article on Newsweek from May 18.

Have you seen the video?

A single chair was picked up .... and then put down.


But Newsweek....which is NEVER WRONG... says different....


Alrighty then!

[QC]

9. Sickening!!!

[Joob]

11. So Bernie has to tell his supporters to stop the violence, when there was no violence.

YET Hillary doesn't have to say anything about this actual violence where someone actually got arrested.
Not only that, the countless topics created by Hillary supporters echoing the false lies of violence from Bernie supporters and How wrong it is while completely ignoring this.

If they were so against violence they'd use this as a talking point but all they care about is slander.
As long as it slanders Bernie supporters, forget the facts.

And you know what's sad, the fact is we have all the proof we need that Hillary supporters don't care what really happened.
If they really cared they would have looked into it seriously, they would have asked questions. They didn't.

[Art_from_Ark]

15. I read here that all the major newspapers reported the Nevada "violence" as being true

So it must be true!

"Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!"

[cui bono]

19. Exactly.

And they have the nerve to try to lecture us as if we're children.

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[anotherproletariat]

12. Is it on video? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

14. He's facing what are known in the parlance as, um, "criminal charges".

So I suspect there's some actual evidence it occurred.

[SwampG8r]

20. Yes it is the hallway was cammed

Look on you tube under violent clinton supporters

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Yes, it happened in a hotel, it was on video

which the police now have as evidence.

This is why there are charges

Any other stupid questions?

By the way, you do know that the Paris Casino has cameras covering every damn inch of that hotel. We have seem video from casinos in Nevada and elsewhere when brawls break out. Why the lack of video of the brawl on the floor?

Oh and speaking of the Paris Casino, here you go

There are more, you can look for them

[pnwmom]

74. The police say the incident doesn't "rise to the level of anything significant."

So they apparently know something people here don't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Yes, there was no incident

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

That even required an ARJIS form

And we are talking Nevada

[Warren DeMontague]

13. And some here make jokes and excuses for it.

disgusting.

[pnwmom]

46. And some decide the black guy -- with scratches on his face -- is guilty without a trial. n/t

[frylock]

70. the black guy

Can't stop won't stop.

[Rex]

135. I am surprised at how low some will go for their prized pony.

[Lil Missy]

16. Indeed it is shameful behavior. It's just as bad as the many, many Bernie thugs are..

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Got any mugshots to go with that fiction?

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. You got any police reports? Video maybe?

[pnwmom]

82. I looked for a video but so far all I can find are claims from people here that they exist. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. Since videos of no chair throwing. To be precise one

Of no chair throwing have appeared. And we have other videos that contradict the story line...this narrative has collapsed.

[Arugula Latte]

27. Thugs, huh?

Good luck with that.

[cui bono]

31. Except the Hillary "thugs" are not fictitious and born out of the catapulting of propaganda.

There are not "many, many Bernie thugs".

.

[pnwmom]

66. Pierce is not a thug and hasn't been found guilty of anything. n/t

[cui bono]

72. I didn't call anyone a "thug". Notice the quotations cuz that's the term the Hillary supporter used.

There was an arrest. That's far more than we've seen from Bernie supporters that Hillary people keep referring to as "thugs". Are you proud of this latest smear campaign? Have you pointed out to the people doing this that Bernie supporters are not "thugs" and there was no violence at the Nevada convention?

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[frylock]

73. He's a fucking punk ass thug who hit a woman.

I really like that your allegiance to Hillary has clouded your judgment so much that you are willing to go on record defending this man who beat up on a woman. Bookmarking for when this shithead pleads out.

[pnwmom]

75. Has there been a trial? Why do the police say the incident didn't "rise to the level of

anything significant?"

[frylock]

77. He hit a woman, and you're defending it.

As I said, bookmarked.

[pnwmom]

78. I'm asking for evidence. I haven't seen anything but an "allegation" that the police say

doesn't "rise to the level of any significance."

I looked for the videos that people claim are out there and I couldn't find any.

[frylock]

84. You're asking for evidence?

Oh, that is fucking rich in light of the bullshit coming out of NV this week.

[treestar]

134. Would it be wrong for him to have a lawyer too?

I'm getting concerned that the Bernie Revolution apparently will be doing away with the Bill of Rights. IT seems to have been forgotten. This guy is innocent until proven guilty as are all accused persons.

[frylock]

143. He has no rights in the court of public opinion.

The person I replied to takes no issue on passing judgment on Bernie supporters before evidence is presented.

[treestar]

150. Not regarding a criminal charge

The Bernie supporters are not charged with anything.

As to the court of public opinion, we should not let bias affect that either.

[pnwmom]

68. It is also unproven. Just allegations that the Atlanta PD say don't "rise to the level of anything

significant."

[frylock]

86. You forgot something something black guy.

[cui bono]

144. Sadly, this isn't the first person who has brought up race for no reason at all.

And surprise, surprise, that poster was a Hillary supporter too! There is a concerted effort on the part of Hillary supporters to paint Bernie supporters as racist.

.

[AlbertCat]

164. There is a concerted effort on the part of Hillary supporters to paint Bernie supporters as racist.

This started last June when the GOP put the meme out there that Sanders comes from a mostly white little state and therefore does not understand racial problems or "get" blacks.

And the Hillary folks are STILL pushing this absurd GOP meme. It's almost like they think Hillary herself was black and never in Arkansas politics.

[arcane1]

118. "I know you are but what am I?" is a children's tactic. And it's evidence-free.

I know you folks are desperate, but at least be sensible.

[liberalnarb]

147. The difference is you can't back that up, but we've got a mugshot up there^

[highprincipleswork]

17. Actual thuggish behavior. Apparently so much less interesting than provoked behavior U can lie about

[jack_krass]

18. {crickets} where's the Brock brigade?

[apnu]

21. Ah another Bernie supporter who thinks violence is only physical.

And they wonder why women are iffy on Bernie.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. But it's you who is excusing an actual arrest causing assualt by a man on a woman.

This is an actual thing and you don't want it to be mentioned. It needs to be. Men should never, ever be offered any sort of protection for such acts against women.

[apnu]

30. No I'm not.

I never once said I don't want it mentioned or ignored. You're erecting a straw man, cut it out.

I've been seeing Bernie supporters post for days that violence is only physical and other forms of it are some how not real or people claiming it are wussies of some kind and I'm sick to my stomach by it.

That's what I'm talking about. Don't you put words in my mouth.

I'm objecting to the OP's title "Male Hillary supporter assaulted a woman because she supports Bernie - THAT'S violence"

It suggests there is only one kind of violence, Bernie, as progressives, people should know better. This attitude of what is or is not violence they've been spewing this week is nothing short of disgusting.

[Bluenorthwest]

79. Look, your entire act here is characterizing what you claim others said, no quotes, no nothing

so don't lecture me. You are the one whose response is 'Johnny did it too' and that's evasive, defensive and claims a right to such actions based on the actions of others. That's what you did.

You are furious, but you offer no actual examples of what angers you. Why is that? I'm tired of unsubstantiated attacks and smears. There is no need for them, this site makes a record of all of it. So why keep doing it as you main mode of communications?

[Puglover]

159. Ain't it wonderful

when they slink off when you call them on their bullshit?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Plenty of violence has been done to me by HRC supporters on this board

it still does not rise to the level of actual physically assault. Why some of us are weary of YOU PEOPLE. The bullying has been well epic. And I say that as somebody who has been a victim of the DU bully gang for over ten years.

[apnu]

33. First off what bullying have I done?

Second, are you ignoring Bernie supporters declaring what is and is not violence or are you unaware of it?

There are people on DU who do bully, they are found in both camps in GDP, and they are 100% wrong.

I engage and discuss with people I do not bully and I stand up to bullying.

"YOU PEOPLE" Really? Come on!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Look I am talking from my own personal experience

but the cherry on top over the last ten years was denying my own identity as an immigrant, a POC, and a Jew.

That was out there, and the best part is that while I push back on the propaganda, kind of what you do if you are actually concerned about the truth. I have not said who I will vote. After this season, I realize it is whoever the central tabulator decides I voted for, but I could have been pretending to vote for HRC for all you people know.

At the moment, for all I know, on June 7 my vote will go to Kasich... never mind I am not a republican and that is a closed primary. But it could be a "glitch."

[apnu]

42. I am very sorry that happened to you.

Your identity as an immigrant, POC and Jew is valid and I am glad you are here and talking with me.



Your vote is your private business and if you choose to hold it for yourself alone, there is nothing wrong with that. You are not required by me or anybody else to reveal it despite what bullies may say.

I freely admit I voted for Bernie in my state's primary, but the antics of many Bernie supporters here and else where have put me off. Hillary's people too. I exist in a place between the two, some times I wonder why I bother with GDP at all.

Our election system is broken, both in process and technology, I agree with you. We need election reform desperately. Clearly the states and the parties cannot handle this important job. There is dirt and grime everywhere and its time to clean it up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

128. Well I'm getting lunch

After a labor story. Will go home and work on it. This feeling that these elections are for show. We "vote" to overcome, hopefully, the chicanery. Yes Bernie came up, two events this weekend. (We are trying to get credentials). So did Clinton, bill is coming. We can't split ourselves and last time we did not get them. So did Trump, he is coming next week. We will be covering the violence outside. Yup, get the party favors for a riot checked out.

But none of the labor activists I was talking with today believe their vote really matters. These people are in the movement. They are in the streets. That should speak to what is going on. It is ugly and deep.

But yes, everybody speaks from their experience. Mine has been god awful. And the level of propaganda I have seen has been stunning, as well as information manipulation.

[apnu]

131. Word.

"And the level of propaganda I have seen has been stunning, as well as information manipulation."

Ain't that the truth. And the shitty thing is, both camps in the Democratic party are doing it. We have real problems and we're going nowhere because its way more fun to have a food fight than actually work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. Again to each their own

But the gold medal goes to a combo of corporate media and Clinton campaign the Nevada chair throwing incident, there was no chair thrown, is but the latest. It is so bad that if CNN says it...I wait for the on the scene witnesses to appear. Bad enough that 9 out of 10 the media narrative is wrong at multiple levels.

[Luminous Animal]

32. Indeed. It got very violent in the House of Reps yesterday...

The House floor is turning into an emotional, and at times ugly, battleground over LGBT rights, as Democrats accuse Republicans of promoting bigotry and discrimination over proposals GOP leaders say are intended to protect freedom of religion from government overreach.

The conflict erupted on Thursday when Republican leaders successfully whipped their members to vote down a Democratic amendment that sought to prevent taxpayer dollars from being used to pay contractors that discriminate against employees on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.

....

Outraged Democrats shouted “shame” and accused Republican leaders of abusing chamber rules by holding the vote open until they could twist enough arms to kill the amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/05/19/house-turns-into-battleground-over-lgbt-rights/

There are other reports that Nancy Pelosi was shouting.

[apnu]

34. Thank you! Violence isn't just physical.

Its an embarrasment that people on DU have spent this past week defining violence as only physical. As if Barbara Boxer and Roberta Lange were not exposed to verbal and emotional violence on the Nevada convention floor when Bernie supporters frustrations bubbled over.

That happened. And the what happened in the House is violence too.

We're supposed to be progressives here and we should know this, but since so many around here continue to define violence as only a physical act, they show our work is far from over.

[reddread]

35. lol

supersonic whoosh

[apnu]

37. Do you have something constructive to say or are you a shit stirrer?

[frylock]

76. Hol-ee fuck.

[AntiBank]

119. pot meet kettle

[AlbertCat]

165. Interesting

"Reddred" points out a "supersonic whoosh", and you reply with an ultra supersonic whoosh.

[jwirr]

49. I take it that you think protesting is a form of violence? If I

am not mistaken our Revolutionary War started out with a few protests. It has been a part of our history and our culture for a long time. And if no one pays any attention the real revolution follows. History has shown that over and over.

[apnu]

55. You don't know what I think, don't put words in my mouth

What went on in Nevada wasn't a revolution. What happened was two political factions jockeying for advantage and it got out of hand. You need to get your facts in order.

If you can't see violence and intimidation for what it is and try to excuse it away as a "revolution" you have no idea what what your talking about.

[jwirr]

67. I DID NOT say it was a revolution. I said it was a protest.

Of course having gone through the 60s I realize that you do not think it was a protest. When your rights are taken away you would be a fool not to protest and THAT is what happened at NV.

[snort]

91. How have you avoided my IL thus far?

I'm slipping up.

[apnu]

104. I could care less about your self important ignore list.

[riderinthestorm]

23. Incredible that this incident is swept under the rug while any Bernie supporter saying the b-word

Elicits days of rage and thousands of posts.

The hypocrisy is sickening, especially from so called feminists on this board (and Hillary herself).

A male Hillary supporter hauled off and smacked a female Bernie supporter and the only thing we hear is @ the guy who picked up and put down a chair.

It's shameful.

[apnu]

36. Its shameful but not swept under the rug.

its all over the news. CNN is running with it.

I don't know of anybody here trying to hide this.

I hope that asshole gets jail time for his assault, its disgusting. And I hope Hillary publicly denounces the violence and him personally.

[pnwmom]

40. How do you know he will be found guilty? How do you know the other couple

weren't equally at fault? How did he get the scratches on his face?

[apnu]

45. I don't. Could be defensive wounds which are common in violent attacks

But who else was arrested and who else is under investigation? Nobody else that I can tell right now.

The point I was called out on was "sweeping" it under the rug. I'm saying this story hasn't been swept under the rug or ignored here or anywhere else. And I hope this violence is denounced by the Hillary campaign.

[pnwmom]

50. This isn't like the situation at the caucuses, where delegates were recorded on video.

No one knows what happened here, and the fact that the police arrested the black guy doesn't prove anything -- especially when the black guy has scratches on his face.

Why don't you wait for a trial before you decide that Hillary should be apologizing for the actions of a man who doesn't represent her in any capacity? Unless you think Bernie should be apologizing for the other involved couple.

[riderinthestorm]

57. There is video of Pierce. This happened in a casino, cameras everywhere

[pnwmom]

60. Link, please. That isn't what I heard. n/t

[cui bono]

145. And that video shows that no chair throwing occurred. You're not making the point you think you are.

[riderinthestorm]

47. This happened 4 days ago. Nary a word of condemnation from Hillary

Gee, she can't keep her supporters in line right?

This guy is violent that must mean all Hillary supporters are violent right?

She should step down right now! Not ready for prime time!

Etc etc etc. Let's spawn 300 new threads/day finding new ways to discuss how evil and violent Bernie’s people are.

The despicable outrageous lying smears laid on Bernie and his "bros" for any single incident yet this one? Actual violence? The past 4 days of ensuring any mention of this episode getting traction has been a study in how many of each sides supporters there really are here.

And the media coverage of this in comparison to the "chairS thrown and bottles tossed " by Bernie supporters is ridiculous.

Where's your statement condemning this FOUR days ago eh?

[apnu]

52. WTF?

Hillary and Bernie people are both spawning bullshit threads on violence this past week. its the Bernie people who are saying only physical violence is violence and other forms are minimal.

The problem in GDP right now is Bernie people think their shit doesn't stink and Hillary people think their shit doesn't stink. both camps have become fucking assholes. I'm sick and tired of Bernie people ignoring the assholery of Bernie people like you are doing now and Hillary people ignoring the assholery of Hillary people.

I don't owe you shit on any statement.

[pnwmom]

54. Pierce isn't a delegate. He doesn't represent Hillary. And there is NO EVIDENCE that he's guilty --

no video of him assaulting anyone -- just scratches on his face, and the word of his accuser. The one who put the scratches on his face.

But he's black so I guess we're just supposed to assume it. No need for a trial. Let's just condemn him, and Hillary because he voted for her.

[riderinthestorm]

59. There is video of Pierce. This happened in a casino, cameras everywhere

[pnwmom]

61. Where's the link? This article says it took place in the hallway of a hotel.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132

[QC]

97. Why does Hillary support violence against women???!!! Why???

[pnwmom]

108. Why do you think we should assume the guilt of a black man without a trial

or even any photo or video evidence?

[QC]

115. Why did you accept the discredited chair-throwing narrative

without evidence? Why do you continue to believe that a person who is on video flipping birds at a crowd and mouthing "Fuck you" at them was actually in fear of being torn apart?

And why do you rush to attribute racism or sexism to everyone with whom you disagree? Considering your antics in the LGBT forum a few years back, it's odd for you to be so quick to accuse everyone else of prejudice. (Yes, some of us remember all that.)

[pnwmom]

39. Two couples got in an argument and you're AUTOMATICALLY deciding the black guy was guilty?

The black guy with scratches on his nose and upper lip?

The operative word in your article is 'allegedly." No one has been found guilty yet.

[apnu]

48. My objection is the back handed attack of what "real" violence is.

Suggesting there is only one kind of violence out there. As liberals and progressives we should know better. That kind of thinking is right out of the conservative mind.

[pnwmom]

51. Just look through the responses here. Everyone is denouncing the African American and assuming

he is guilty.

Without a bit of evidence - except for the scratches on his face and the accusations of the other couple. Without any trial.

This is disgusting.

[apnu]

53. It is. I feel ill. (nt)

[cui bono]

138. Well, when people make up a story about a chair being thrown then there is a distinction to be made.

It's not about classifying varying types of violence, it's about differentiating violence from pure bullshit being spewed to smear people.

.

[treestar]

63. Bernie supporters love full on assumptions and conclusions

and assuming the worst.

[beevul]

93. Jury results

On Fri May 20, 2016, 11:45 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie supporters love full on assumptions and conclusions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2015527

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Divisive, broad-brush attack. If we're going to bring people together for the general election to get Democrats elected, which is the purpose of DU, then people need to dial back the divisive, hateful talk about both candidates and their supporters.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 20, 2016, 11:52 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: These aren't formal discussions, if ordinary language and normal reactions aren't allowed the posts would be blank, this forum is full of these kinds of comments from both sides. If they don't include a direct personal insult or something despicable, like calling the Sanders supporters racist. Let the dialog be as natural as possible.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Lighten up francis. (I will use this every time I see a stupid alert, so long as we have a jury system).
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[treestar]

126. Oh my, thanks

[cui bono]

137. Really? Prove it. You're responding to a post made to me.

So you are saying that about me. Insinuating that I'm a racist. So prove it or apologize.

And go read my response to the post you replied to while you're at it.

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[treestar]

151. No one said you were a racist

You were simply asked to consider the fact you've forgotten - innocent until proven guilty. I don't know that race has anything to do with it here - it seems to be bias against Hillary supporters that is in evidence - so he must be guilty. I actually don't think his race is an issue for people who want to knee-jerk call him guilty - if he was a Hillary supporter of any race he'd be presumed guilty.

[cui bono]

158. I agree with you. Race has nothing to do with this situation.

No, this is to show that there is real violence being committed out there - at least there is an actual arrest made here - where as Hillary supporters are flooding the board with a false narrative of Bernie supporters being violent despite the fact that everyone now knows the whole chair story was a lie.

.

[imagine2015]

64. And because he's a Black supporter of Hillary you assume he must be innocent?

[pnwmom]

65. I assume the same thing I always do: INNOCENT till proven guilty. And no one has shown

me a video that could possibly demonstrate his guilt prior to a trial.

And since the incident took place in a hotel hallway, I doubt that one is forthcoming.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/atlanta-police-release-incident-report-on-alleged-assault-involving-wendell-pierce/39572132

The Atlanta Police Department only confirmed Sunday that Pierce was arrested but did not release details about the incident, which it said "did not rise to anything significant."

[treestar]

130. Makes you wonder about this "revolution"

will it affect the Bill of Rights? Maybe that's part of the "corrupt Establishment?"

[treestar]

127. because he's a person accused, he is presumed innocent

Just what will this revolution be?

[apnu]

141. In America we presume innocence before guilt.

You are confusing us with the English system which is the other way around.

[cui bono]

96. He's the one who got arrested. But go ahead and keep spamming the board trying to make me racist.

It's always attack the messenger with you guys isn't it? Never actually talk about the issue. As I said to you elsewhere:

You are trying very hard to make this about me, but it's not. It's about a Hillary supporter, a male, who was arrested for physically assaulting a woman. This was actual violence. Not the made up smear about Nevada chairs.

I really am wondering why you are making this about race though? Not done with that smear? That was from so long ago. Is that why Hillary supporters keep using the term ""thug" when referring to Bernie supporters? That one is a real head scratcher since it's been considered a racist dog whistle for so long on here, yet Hillary supporters are using it all over now. It doesn't make sense to me, can you explain why that is?

.

[pnwmom]

101. So what? Have we dispensed with the need for trials yet? He was arrested so he's guilty?

Or does that only apply to African Americans? Or Hillary supporters.

And why am I focusing on his race? Because it isn't possible to remove race from a discussion of criminal justice in America.

[cui bono]

114. So you've NEVER seen an OP on here about someone getting arrested? Really?

Why is this incident upsetting you so much? Why are you trying to hard to make this one incident about race?

.

[treestar]

62. there doesn't seem to be much there about what the fight was about

IOW it could have nothing to do with Hillary and Bernie in perspective. Or very little to do with them.

[asuhornets]

81. And his ass is in jail...n/t

[pnwmom]

88. Right. Throw the black guy's ass in jail. No need for a trial. He must be guilty.

[AntiBank]

122. you already got this same BULLSHIT hidden once, looks like you were going for the daily double

[AuntPatsy]

156. Read through thread, I get it, we don't have to vote the same way for me to agree with

the point you are valiantly trying to make...

Mug shots mean garbage....and quite often, outright lies...

Innocent until proven guilty, not very hard to understand.

[JonathanRackham]

100. Just plain wrong no matter what.

Peace brothers and sisters.

[pnwmom]

109. Assuming it happened as the accuser claims. We don't know that it did. n/t

[TheSarcastinator]

120. garbage: there were witnesses

which is why that scumbag was arrested. Nice try, though.

You should try a different tactic: perhaps the victim was asking for it by dressing provocatively (Bernie T-short) or you could say that she "walked into his fist" (which was a claim made several times by some other charming Hillarians in the first LBN post). maybe those will work for you.

[cui bono]

121. Are you working this hard to clear up the lies about the chair having been thrown?

And the violence that didn't exist but it being posted about endlessly on here?

.

[AntiBank]

125. I am trying, the shillforce is strong on that one, Obi wan

[jillan]

136. The fact that Hillary has not come out and publicly condemned this tells me two things.

1. She is no different than Trump when it comes to their supporters assaulting another human being.

2. She is okay with violence against women.

Her silence is deafening. As is the MSM's silence.

[vintx]

148. I don't think she's ok with violence against women

It's just that her campaign trumps EVERYTHING

Winning IS EVERYTHING to her, that's why she's so willing to lie to get votes

[liberalnarb]

146. Thank you.

I posted this before and the Hillary supporters basically told me I was full of it.

[fleabiscuit]

149. Fish or cut bait.

[merrily]

153. And Bernie's Nevada office was shot into. Not a word from Hillary, but people demand Bernie

condemn (for a third time) violence that never occurred! Wowza.

Up is down with these people.

[Nonhlanhla]

157. Was it Hillary's people who shot into his office?

Are you making that allegation? If not, then why should Hillary respond to it? It's a police matter, and it's in their hands.

This guy who punched the woman - yes, that is wrong. But an individual altercation is nevertheless different from a group of delegates who actually represent the campaign getting rowdy at a state convention. You can see the difference, can't you?

[merrily]

161. The difference? Hillary's surrogates lied repeatedly about violence at the Nevada convention. The

was none.

Sanders has been called on and called on to control his people--as if he could. Hillary has never been called on--and no, it's not because her lot are angels.

[floriduck]

154. Admins-shut this thing down. People have become delirious looking for dirt.

[tirebiter]

155. I would like to have heard the conversation that preceded this

Will withhold judgement until then because BLM.