2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Washington Post: DNC to OFFER Bernie Sanders a Convention Concession
In an attempt to head off an ugly conflict at its convention this summer, the Democratic National Committee plans to offer a concession to Sen. Bernie Sanders seats on a key convention platform committee but it may not be enough to stop Sanders from picking a fight over the partys policy positions. Allies of both Clinton and Sanders have urged Democratic leaders to meet some of Sanderss more mundane demands for greater inclusion at the Philadelphia convention. Their decision to do so is expected to be finalized by the end of the week, according to two people familiar with the discussions. But growing mistrust between Sanders supporters and party leaders have threatened to undermine that effort. Even with the committee assignments, Sanders plans an aggressive effort to extract platform concessions on key policies that could prompt divisive battles at a moment when front-runner Hillary Clinton will be trying to unify the party. Among other issues, he plans to push for a $15 national minimum wage and argue that the party needs a more balanced position regarding Israel and Palestinians, according to a Sanders campaign aide who requested anonymity to speak candidly.
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Martin and other Democratic chairmen urged national leaders to give Sanders the concessions he seeks especially when it comes to the platform, which in the long run does not have a material impact on Democrats electoral chances in November. There are other chairs who probably feel that way and feel like this is my party and f--- Bernie Sanders, said Martin, a Clinton supporter. Im not one of those. I feel very passionately that we have to open up that party and make sure that those voices are heard, he said. One of Sanderss demands was the composition of the 15-person drafting committee, whose members are appointed at Wasserman Schultzs discretion and write the partys platform.
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Sanderss aides have also publicly and privately complained about the appointment of two Clinton loyalists former congressman Barney Frank of Massachusetts to head the Rules Committee and Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy to lead the Platform Committee as chairmen of two of the conventions standing bodies. Tad Devine, a senior adviser to the Sanders campaign, said this week that they may yet seek to have Frank and Malloy removed from their posts. In an interview with CNN Thursday, Clinton noted pointedly that she believes Sanders no longer has a shot at the nomination. She also said that Sanders will need to encourage his supporters to unify behind her, just as she did in 2008 when running against Barack Obama. I have every confidence that were going to be unified, Clinton said. I think what brings us together is Donald Trump.
That hasnt happened yet. A Sanders spokesman disputed Clintons assertion that the nomination is hers. And Sanders has ramped up the rhetoric in recent days, saying after Clinton won Kentucky that he still intends to win the nomination despite an overwhelming disadvantage in delegates. Even if he doesnt, he still intends to pick a platform fight at the convention, according to a campaign aide who requested anonymity to discuss strategy. Clinton aides have said that on a slew of issues, Sanders is not far from the party. But the issue of U.S. policy toward Israel which a Sanders adviser said absolutely, legitimately will be a point of conversation has made some of Clintons backers nervous. Sanders is seeking a more even-handed U.S. approach to Israeli occupation of land Palestinians claim for a future state. The current platform does not address the nearly five-decade occupation directly, but it endorses a just and lasting Israeli-Palestinian accord, producing two states for two peoples.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-to-offer-sanders-a-convention-concession/2016/05/19/99706b54-1df4-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html
Segami
(14,923 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)She will let them raise wages and taste victory only to have her irreversible trade deals yank the rug from out underneath them. She's so slick!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)NUTS.
Wednesdays
(22,505 posts)It was his response to a demand for surrender by the Nazis during the Siege of Bastogne (the "Battle of the Bulge"
in 1944.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)thanks.
The message remains the same.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and then she can claim that he's being unreasonable and dangerous.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)He won that battle handily getting exactly what he wanted.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)He got enough pledged delegates in 2008 to win the nomination. Since Clinton needs around 85-15 victories from here on to do the same, she will have to rely on superdelegates.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)just curious
jeff47
(26,549 posts)which could be used as an attempt to argue he "won". This is actually more likely than Clinton getting enough pledged delegates to win the nomination without superdelegates.
Most likely, Sanders will only have an effect on the platform at this point. For this election.
He's got a donor list that Pelosi wants so badly she is defending Sanders, and he's demonstrated that "the DLC way" is not the only way to win - there's an enormous number of disaffected voters he brought back to the process. There will be some Democrats smart enough to appeal to them instead of continuing the plan that cost us more legislatures and governorships than ever before.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)SpareribSP
(325 posts)Israel is one thing I didn't expect to be on the table.
2banon
(7,321 posts)That demand in this context itself is almost "revolutionary" , though it shouldn't be.
I respect that he has brought the matter up in a number of speeches, or in answers to interview questions, but it never ever dawned on me, he'd attempt to make it a PLATFORM issue!!!
OutSTANDING!
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I posted this in another thread about this topic but I just had to post it here too.
The DNC & Hillary campaign evidently aren't real big on the idea of even-handedness. They don't want Bernie to have much representation on the Committee's even though he's bringing in millions of new voters. He currently has 3 of his people assigned to a committee and Hillary has the rest. They also have 2 Hillary people assigned as chairs of two important committees who have been hyper-critical of Bernie. That's not even-handedness.
They are even afraid of using the word "even-handed" when it comes to the Palestinians because they are afraid it would signal a shift in their non even-handed policy.
Why do the DNC & Hillary have such a problem with being even-handed? How can you bring UNITY without being even-handed? What's wrong with FAIRNESS?
When I marched in Louisville's LGBT Fairness campaign marches we were asking for fairness. We were opposed by homophobic right wingers who objected to fairness. We weren't asking for special privileges, as they claimed, just fairness. We won the fairness amendment in Louisville so why is it so hard for the DNC & the Hillary campaign to understand that fairness is not an unreasonable thing to ask for?
amborin
(16,631 posts)but "both pro peace"
ROFLMAO
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Last edited Wed May 25, 2016, 06:26 PM - Edit history (1)
that woman can unify anything, she is not only power hungry but blind to anything beyond the elite 1%....
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)have proven over and over in this primary. So discussions or concessions about what party goals and aspirations will go into the platform mean less than a rats ass to me.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Barbara 'boxers full of sh*t'...........
amborin
(16,631 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)so ridiculous.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's no go.
It's a trap.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Fuck this lot.
LMAO.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)But your point still stands, it's not a legally bound document, therefore it does tend to be meaningless.. but just the same, it does have a certain weight that can be brought to bare..
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Does anybody even know what's in the 2008 platform? I looked at it and there is a pledge in there to reduce the number of people living below the poverty line in half over the next 10 years. How are we doing on that one? Has Obama announced any new initiatives in the last few years to achieve that "commitment"?
I have no idea why Bernie would be wasting his time on something as meaningless as a party platform. If Hillary becomes President she's going to do what she wants to do, which is whatever her big contributors want. And with regard to Israel, the single biggest contributor to the Clintons over the last 25 years is Haim Saban, who describes himself as a "one issue" candidate and his issue is that Israel can do no wrong. Hillary isn't budging one inch on her pandering to Saban and Israel.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Didn't know anything about Saban... thanks for pointing to the fact that Hillary's position is worse than status quo. (imo)
I suppose there is more of a power play here, symbolic more than policy substantive. leverage to a certain extent. I do know that the platform is considered sacrosanct to the extent that and over the years the level of machinations, subterfuge and intransigence on the part pf the party establishment would give one to assume that the positions it documents gives enough weight to be fought over with intense obstructionism.
As an example, back in 2004. I witnessed on C-Span broadcast, party elites fight tooth and nail to keep out anti-iraq war rhetoric and policy position during what was referred to as the Democratic party platform convention held in Hollywood Florida. Some people I knew from the Bay Area were delegates and it was a huge fight over basic progressive policies.
It was rather shocking to see DP Elites working so hard to do essentially what we've been witnessing in this campaign wrt caucus conventions, and the up DNC committee meetings.
I kid you not. Have no idea how much HRC's positions/machinations/instructions to hold all anti-war delegates at bay. but the edict was obviously from up high.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Those are the 3 biggest ones in my book.
msongs
(73,663 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Personally, I just want our party to do the right thing- like come out finally and completely against the government throwing millions of people in prison for smoking a fucking plant. They ought to be doing it anyway.
Segami
(14,923 posts)
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(2,900 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)That would be a freaking hoot!
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hillary. Most of the Obama coalition is still in tact. That ought to be enough.
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highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Establishment, or based on how they've been acting recently "Party Bosses"? Not so much.
I with him all the way, and hope he succeeds in getting the party's head out of its ass, so to speak.
Reagan Revolution is dead. Long live the Progressive Solution.
bvf
(6,604 posts)What a bullshit move.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Let the Dems and Reps fight over the scraps. You can't get real change with either of them.
Quixote1818
(31,154 posts)Sanders used his leverage rather than cave and now they know that have to start giving him something.