Could someone please tell us how Hillary is growing the party?

[pinebox]

I am very curious.
Thanks!

[dchill]

1. In the basement, with horseshit...

Like mushrooms.

[pinebox]

3. lol wow

[Art_from_Ark]

8. She seems to be growing some sort of fungus with that horseshit

Not sure if it's mushrooms, though.

[dchill]

23. Well, I'll never eat it, anyway.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. It's her turn Damnit!!!!

Now stop asking pesky questions... She has to get ready for her coronation!

[pinebox]

4. Dammit I want to know though!

[akbacchus_BC]

17. That too, it was her turn in 2008 and now it is her turn.

You got to give her credit, inspite of all her transgressions, she expects Americans to rally around her! Better her than trump.

[seekthetruth]

43. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

I could imagine Hillary riding a missile towards some bunker in the Mideast.

[pdsimdars]

60. Hadn't you heard . . ..

.

[Voice for Peace]

5. !

I urge you to make this a viral question esp for the superd's

[winter is coming]

6. Which one? n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

9. Oh, Bern! Good one!

[pinebox]

12. BOOM!

[silvershadow]

76. +1

[NanceGreggs]

7. Could someone please tell us how Bernie is growing the party?

Is it by constantly railing about how corrupt Democrats are?

[pinebox]

19. Sure I can tell you

You see all those millenials? Many are first time voters. Guess who they are voting for? Bernie
The largest voting block age wise. The future isn't coming, it's here now.

http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_29719775/bernie-or-hillary-young-democrats-remain-divided

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-is-profoundly-changing-how-millennials-think-about-politics-poll-shows/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/opinions/burns-millennials-bernie-sanders/

[NanceGreggs]

22. "The largest voting block age wise ..."

... and the most unreliable voting block in this race.

Too bad there weren't enough of them who came out to vote for Bernie to win the nomination.

[pinebox]

25. See, here's the deal

Actually there were enough that came out but sadly because of stupid rules, many weren't given the chance to do so. Look at NY as example, you had to change your registration months ahead of time. Who does that benefit exactly? Nobody except maybe Republicans in the long run.

The most unreliable? Make no qualms about it, boomers are dying off, millenials will own this country and it's beginning to happen. They are solidly behind Bernie and many won't vote for Hillary in a general.

Do you know what that spells?

Disaster.

They've had enough and they have had their heads crapped on. They'd rather watch the world burn than see Hillary rule it. Rebuilding starts afterwards as things rise from the ashes.

Now you think about that.

[NanceGreggs]

27. The usual bullshit.

It's all you ever post here.

A lot of us know why.

Hillary is the nominee. Nothing is going to change that. And predicting her loss in the GE serves only one purpose.

And a lot of us know what that purpose is.

Now, you think about that.

[Grassy Knoll]

30. Your Last Line Just Killed Me

That was so my mom, (grhs)

[bvf]

44. I haven't heard that since fifth grade.

Sister DeSales was also quite a hoot, but (as here) not intentionally. A bit of a dotard, if truth be told.

[seekthetruth]

39. Bernie is revolutionary.

Hillary symbolizes conformity.

I'm an adult, but I can imagine being a teenager n nowadays. Your parents, if they're over 50, are simply part of the older generation that has experience, but is also less likely to think differently.

[NanceGreggs]

41. Unfortunately for Bernie ...

... not enough of his revolutionists got up off their asses to vote for him.

[seekthetruth]

45. Good god.

They were just blocked by dumbass rules that only Baby Boomers know because they've been in politics for so long, and are part of the establishment.

These kids and people who are new to the process didn't make up their minds last October. The they heard about Sanders and started to support him and his message.

Clinton is not for anything forward thinking. She's conventional when we need a kick in the ass to get to where we need to be.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Blocked by dumbass rules ...

... that anyone can learn about, if interested.

Apparently they weren't.

[casperthegm]

87. That rationale sounds similar to the GOP voter id justification

"The rules are there and everyone knows them, so what's the problem?" Right? Well, maybe the rules shouldn't make it more difficult for people to vote in the first place? How about some radical idea; inclusion instead of exclusion?

[NanceGreggs]

88. How about when there are rules in existence ...

... like filling out the proper forms, filing them before a deadline, etc., people follow those rules?

[seekthetruth]

46. Nance, what you guys do not get....

Clump (Clinton and Trump) ARE THE SAME TO US. THEY BOTH REPRESENT THE SAME FUCKED UP STATE OF OUR COUNTRY.

No offense to you. Just feel like we have to shout it.

Peace.


G'Dam.....

[NanceGreggs]

49. Yes, they're exactly the same ...

... said no one ever who has a functioning brain.

[Fawke Em]

53. They are the same if you can't do anything but work for meager wages.

You must live a comfortable life. Good on ya.

I do, too, as long as I work, but I can't afford to send my Straight A son to college or retire in 15 years. I have to work until I die for the sin of needing to repair a retaining wall, some plumbing and going on three short vacations in the past seven years.

[JRLeft]

62. Establishment democratic voters ignore income inequality. They get excited about shitty Walmart job.

They buy into the bullshit employment numbers which are way higher than what is shown.

[highprincipleswork]

54. The purpose is to try, against all odds apparently, to convince you and the Party "Bosses" that

there's a whole lot of people, including Independents, who would like to be part of the Democratic Party if it only stood for something like what they stand for. What do they stand for? Nothing other than traditional Democratic values. What does the Democratic Party stand for? Trouble is, nobody knows. The "brand" is in serious trouble.

A lot of you who support Hillary claim it still stand for Progressivism, despite a lot of evidence to the contrary, even to the point of the words of the establishment candidates themselves.

If it really does represent something Progressive, why is it so hard to let these Bernie supporters in to the extent that they feel included and part of it?

[NanceGreggs]

89. Who is stopping them ...

... from becoming part of the Democratic Party?

Getting back to the topic of the OP, how is Bernie "growing the party" by continually disparaging that party, as he's done for decades?

Do you think that he, his campaign, and his surrogates referring to Democrats as corrupt, corporate whores causes non-Democrats to say, "Hey, sounds like a great party - where do I sign up?"

[Yurovsky]

67. Please, you want us to support a Wall Street sellout or WE'RE THE BAD GUYS?

You can imply that Sanders supporters are helping Trump all you want, but the overwhelming majority of us could be persuaded to hold our nose and vote Hillary in the GE if she made some attempt to distance herself from Goldman Sachs, Walmart, and her roster of fat cat Wall Street & corporate donors who have nothing but contempt for poor & working class Americans.

Campaigns don't have to be financed by corporations - Bernie has proven that. But she chooses - willfully & needlessly - to cozy up to forces diametrically opposed to the values the Democratic Party has stood for for over a century. America already has one party (GOP) that places the fortune of corporations over those of the people. We really don't need 2.

[pinebox]

75. Ahh Nance I'm sorry I drive you crazy and you get upset

It's rather obvious and that's why you have to resort ad hominem attacks.
You can't defend things so you attack the messenger. I deal with that on a daily basis on some of the Counter Strike servers I admin.

A lot of you know why? Ok? Fascinating really.

Hillary isn't the nominee, I'm sorry. Can you show us where her acceptance speech is please?

I'm predicting Hillary's loss in a GE? You're right! I am. Why do you think that is however? It's backed up by things like favorability ratings and the fact that Hillary has some of the lowest numbers in history. I also don't close my eyes and actually pay attention to know that most of America can't stand Hillary. Come on Nance, she is under an FBI investigation for shit sakes. Do you think that is presidential? Most of America doesn't.

Hillary has been running for president longer than Romney has. People are sick of 2 things; Clinton's and Bush's. And before you throw out the 3 million vote stat, know this; that is in a tiny little bubble. In a GE everybody gets to vote.

Don't come crying to us when she loses. She is the weaker candidate. You can't un-ring the bell of 30 years of public perception of Hillary Clinton. In an age of political outsiders, Hillary is the biggest loser.

[NanceGreggs]

90. As I said ...

... same old bullshit - as repetitive as it is obvious.

[pinebox]

91. As I said too

You can't defend so you posture.
hey it is what it is, we see you. You need a hug. We get it. You're mad because people are telling the truth. It's ok, it really is.

[NanceGreggs]

92. And your particular "truth" ...

... has been nothing but anti-Dem talking points from the beginning.

I realize that's allowed here now - more's the pity.

[Katashi_itto]

84. "Now, you think about that" Wow....I havent heard that since I was a kid.

Should we go to our rooms too?

[jeff47]

28. It's not that they want to watch the world burn. It's that they know the world is already burning.

Miami will cease to exist in their lifetime. The city will be completely consumed by the ocean. They are inheriting a world that will be plagued by droughts, famine, and the wars, poverty and strife that come with those.

And they are well aware that it is long past time where slow, incremental change can do anything about it.

Boomers only need to hang on a little longer. So incrementalism is fine for them, and feels far less risky.
Millennials will be around a long time. So incrementalism can not possibly be sufficient to tackle the problems they face.

[seekthetruth]

48. Thanks Jeff

[pinebox]

78. True to an extent

but I think they still want to watch the world burn, at least in certain parts. We can start with Wall Street and then move to congress.

[DrDan]

77. "Unreliable voting block"? Nope. The most reliable "non-voting block"

Stats are in from past elections - they do not show up to vote

[Godhumor]

31. It is only growing the party if they're permanent additions to the party

If they leave when Bernie loses, the party hasn't grown.

[Bettie]

70. Why would they stay?

They've been told over and over that they are unworthy and unwelcome by those in charge.

[KPN]

33. And don't forget the Independents who were formerly Democrats that he has also

brought back, as well as Independents of any make, model or color!

[akbacchus_BC]

20. Nance, Mr. Sanders is looking out for young people and working class people.

They understand his message. He is not railing against Democrats, he is just pointing out the failures in the democratic system -- big difference.

[Bohemianwriter]

55. So exactly HOW has Hillary grown the party again?

How many people have said "I registered democrat because Hillary stands for my views"!?

And how has DWS been a successful party chairwoman?

How many seats have the democrats gained under her leadership? How many new voters have they both gotten into the party with money they take from corporations?

[uponit7771]

56. By making sure assholes stay out of it? tia

[Bohemianwriter]

57. Who are these arseholes she wants to keep out of her "big tent"?

If loyd Blankfein is not an asshole, I wonder who you and her think are too much arseholes to be welcomed into the party.

OWS protesters?

[Armstead]

72. That helps....Too many Democrats are part of a corrupt system

Acknowledging that, and trying to change it is the first step towards rebuilding the Democratic Party as the party that actually does stand for the majority (middle, working and lower classes) and keep Big Bidness and Wall St. and the Uber Wealthy in check.

If the Democratic Party gets that message institutionally (and individually) it could regain its strength as the Party of the Majority.

[akbacchus_BC]

10. By attacking Mr. Sanders and she knows that Wall Street and

the Super Delegates are backing her. How else can she grow her campaign?

[BootinUp]

13. I'm sure there are women and others

that are inspired by her. But I am also sure it is a waste of time to discuss it in this forum.

[KPN]

34. Hillary? Inspiring? Even her campaign advisers have admitted she isn't inspiring!

[bobbobbins01]

14. She is the political embodiment of a lotus shoe.

The party stops growing and the end result is super fucked up looking.

[QC]

15. She's bringing in Jeb, Ted, and Marco's "donors." n/t

[AgerolanAmerican]

16. She has drawn unprecedented interest

from FBI agents


... does that count?

[dchill]

24. Not quite yet...

But soon.

[Fumesucker]

18. She's growing closer to the Bush megadonors

[tirebiter]

21. With a Marshall Plan for Democratic state operations

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/eyeing-senate-clinton-directing-money-2016-battlegrounds-39237862

Eyeing Senate, Clinton Directing Money to 2016 Battlegrounds

Hillary Clinton, seeking a governing coalition if she wins the White House, is pumping millions of dollars into key battleground states at the heart of her presidential map and Democrats' quest to regain control of the Senate.

>The Democratic National Committee and state parties are spending about $2 million initially to build coordinated campaigns in eight battleground states with competitive Senate races. The money is being raised by Clinton's campaign through her Hillary Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee that allows Clinton to raise large checks of more than $350,000 from wealthy donors.

>Democrats say the coordinated effort, now a staple in presidential campaigns, will try to build up the party's network of field organizers earlier in the election and work more closely with Senate, House and state and local campaigns than in previous election cycles.

>The fortunes of Clinton and the Democratic Senate candidates are tightly wound. Democrats need a net gain of five seats to recapture control of the Senate, which could be pivotal for Clinton to move her agenda through Congress if she wins the White House. And many Senate candidates could see their futures shaped by Clinton's performance.

>The DNC has hired a few hundred field staffers and expects to bring on more organizers in the coming months. Many will be shifting over from working on the presidential campaigns of Clinton and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who recently laid off hundreds of field staffers.

>"This is my third presidential cycle in Ohio and we are actually starting earlier than before," said Rebecca Pearcey, campaign manager for former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland, who is challenging Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio. "The early work will pay off for us this fall."

>The DNC is using the Clinton fund to build up state organizations in Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Six of the eight states have Republican Senate incumbents and all of the states will be targets for Clinton against Republican Donald Trump. The states also were the key battlegrounds of the 2012 campaign between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

The strategy is sound

[BootinUp]

26. I just read here at the DU that this was another evil Clinton conspiracy.

[Liz_Estrada]

80. HRC needs Democratic Senate

to prevent conviction after impeachment by Gop House.

[HubertHeaver]

81. Democrats have a history of holding their own accountable.

If a crime was committed, a Democratic senate will convict.

With Bill Clinton, the Senate perceived a witch-hunt and did not convict.

Cong. Wayne Hayes and Wilbur Mills, both Democrats, were held to account by the Democratic-controlled house.

[Kittycat]

29. With disaffected republicans?

Who don't want trump, and don't have a third party candidate to vote for.

Just a guess, given the donation grab.

[ThePhilosopher04]

32. It's shrinking by the minute and all her god damn fault

[TSIAS]

35. Brining in neocons

The likes of Kagan and Kissinger will join the coalition and take the place of disaffected liberals.

I expect to see Kristol and more neocons jumping on board. I'm not sure if there's enough of them to make up for the anti-war voters that will leave the party.

[NewImproved Deal]

36. Meet the Former First Lady's new best friends...

[link:|

[pinebox]

79. That's a hell of an infographic!

[zappaman]

37. Ok.

Gonna miss you...

[pdsimdars]

63. and her poll numbers against Trump are also falling. . . He's now ahead. Berne still beats Trump

in the polls as he ALWAYS has.

[Ichingcarpenter]

38. The same way she brought Peace to the middle East as Sec. of State.

Jimmy Carter: Clinton Took "Very Little Action to Bring About Peace" as Sec. of State



Jimmy Carter has publicly criticized Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. He told Time magazine, "When Secretary Clinton was Secretary of State, she took very little action to bring about peace. It was only John Kerry’s coming into office that reinitiated all these very important and crucial issues."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/11/headlines/jimmy_carter_clinton_took_very_little_action_to_bring_about_peace_as_sec_of_state

[seekthetruth]

40. Tonight I heard her interview on CNN...

Bernie has a responsibility....?

What the hell was she talking about? Yes, she has to earn my vote. And she's not, so I'm voting for the candidate who I believe has the best shot at beating Trump in the fall, and who i believe has the best vision for this country.

[840high]

42. Sing it loud! So am I.

[pdsimdars]

66. She has a repsonsibility to the party and the country not to drag us all through this FBI

investigation and the eventual ugly fallout. Hillary should do something for someone other than herself for once.

[bvf]

50. Patience.

Bush donors don't grow on trees, but their money apparently does.

[tomm2thumbs]

51. she's growing the REPUBLICAN Party, that's for sure

I am wondering how she will defeat a candidate who has successfully defied all logic, and who has picked up the outsider-mantle in an outsider-driven election. The ultimate status-quo party insider does not fit the bill.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Insulting millennials, mocking peoples' concern for actual issues

oh, and reaching out...


to "megachurch moms"!

[tk2kewl]

58. ...the way colon cancer grows in a large intestine?

eventually reducing the amount of nutrients absorbed by the body (politic) and finally perforating causing sepsis

[pdsimdars]

68. rendering the body full of sh*t. I think we've already reached that stage.

[pdsimdars]

59. Growing the party? She's putting the party in a pinebox. (he, he)

[hellofromreddit]

61. Sure. If you stay stagnant long enough, you grow mold.

HTH.

[Bettie]

64. By getting rid of liberals

and recruiting Republicans.

She and DWS are working on turning it into the other Right Wing party.

[Blue_Adept]

65. You're not curious. You've spent months believing and spreading quite a few likes about her

"Just an honest question" is all this kind of post is. If you're going after HRC supporters for shit stirring, that's all this is as well.

[pdsimdars]

69. Only candidate and campiagn spreading lies, distortion and smears is the HILLARY campaign

under dark lord Brock.

[Blue_Adept]

71. careful, if you invoke his name too often, the Brock Boogeyman is gonna getcha!

[pdsimdars]

73. Some people are OK with the lies, distortions, smears and swift boating apparently.

I think of it as weakness. Only candidates who can't run on issues are the ones who have to resort to that kind of thing. And that is why, out of all the candidates running in this election, Hillary Clinton has the LEAST trustworthiness. You have the freedom to do what you want, but you also have to accept the consequences. If you lie, cheat and smear, people tend not to trust you.




She earned it.

[Blue_Adept]

74. I admire how you must have a cut and paste piece like that ready

Since it has nothing at all to do with what I said. Becomes easier and easier to ignore you.

[liberalnarb]

82. Its very simple: shes not.

[Skwmom]

83. She is not. She is shrinking the party.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

85. She's expanding the party's ability to attract investments from the corporations.

[MisterP]

86. the hope is to win with only voters registered in the parties, dissuading indies from voting Trump

basically they want to win within the minority of total registered voters