Proof That Registered Democrats Are Ditching Clinton and Flocking To Sanders

[pinskinny]

Bernie Sanders did not win 1 closed primary all year, but on Tuesday we saw a dramatic shift in how the democratic party feels about the two candidates. Bernie Sanders had a landslide victory Over Hillary Clinton in a Oregon which tells us that democrats now realize Bernie Sanders represents the party like a true democrat and the other option is very flawed and un electable in a general election.

I think Tuesdays massive double digit win by Sanders in a closed primary where only democrats can vote is why you are seeing the Establishment supporters attacking Sanders at such a feverish pitch over the last several days. They see Clinton has now lost the party and have lashed out in a uncontrolled frenzy which is very embarrassing the party.

[artyteacher]

1. naww....

It's just a very left leaning, non-diverse state. Clinton is still way ahead and is going to win even more delegates coming.

[Yurovsky]

3. And California isn't left-leaning?

wow, I didn't know the GOP was running the show in Sacramento...

[artyteacher]

6. cali is very diverse

And I don't think it's as closed a primary.

I'm from Jersey, diverse, blue, and closed.

We're gonna kick some ass!

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

25. Jersey isn't closed, independents can change party at the poll to vote dem

[artyteacher]

31. well its listed as closed

And I guess that means Republicans can't screw us over and vote for Bernie.

[reddread]

37. what makes you think they would?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

40. That is how they rationalize Bernie's gargantuan lead with Independents. nt

[notadmblnd]

51. I know that I have seen bragging here that Clinton is winning over Republicans

who won't support Trump.

[artyteacher]

42. of course they've been doing it....

Bernie would be so easy for them to beat in the General. And don't quote. Polls. Most people don't know anything about him.

[reddread]

45. wow, yeah I see what you mean

no facts required.

[reddread]

46. so which Republican will you be voting for?

cant let that stuff go unpunished.

[Cal33]

81. Bernie would be so easy to beat in the General? He is the only presidential candidate with a

positive favorability rating. Trump and Clinton have the most negative favorability ratings
in the history of the US. The majority of Americans simply can't trust them. And look at
this RCP link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

[democrattotheend]

115. No, Georgia is right

In New Jersey, if you are not registered with any party you can declare at the polls. But if you are registered with one party you can't switch at the polls to vote in the other party's primary. At least that was the rule when I lived there.

[LiberalFighter]

56. New Jersey is classified as a "Modified Primary" by The Green Papers

Participation in New Jersey's delegate selection process is open to all voters registered as Democrats.
A detail: "Independent" voters are ineligible to vote in the Democratic Primary, however,

"Unaffiliated" voters are eligible to participate with the understanding that their party affiliation will automatically change to Democrat upon casting their vote.

[pinskinny]

5. I think it is quite telling to get blown out in a closed primary to someone

who was a registered independent a year ago.

[Peachhead22]

98. So if you're discounting Oregon

because it's a left leaning state. Then I guess it's OK for Bernie supporters to discount states that Hillary won in the primary that will be deep red in the GE.

[upaloopa]

2. Well there is a need to keep hope alive isn't there?

Just discount all those millions of Dems who voted for Hillary and not for Bernie. With a couple of states left Dems are going to flock to Bernie? Don't tell New Jersey.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. Independents can vote on Dem ballot in New Jersey :)

They can declare at the poll for a Dem ballot.

[NurseJackie]

7. They see what they want to see...

... and disregard the rest.

[pinskinny]

9. That was then, this is now.

Please reread the post, no one said she did not do well with democrats early on. The post is telling you, democratic voters have decided to ditch Clinton and now back Sanders.

[Thinkingabout]

76. They have also ditched Sanders and voted for Hillary by over three million votes, this is now, this

voting results is telling, just as her lead in delegates is telling.

[Thinkingabout]

89. Maybe you could reread your post #9

[pinskinny]

12. Considering all the bernie bumper stickers and road signs in the Garden state

I think you will see similar results as Oregon. Just take a ride down the garden state parkway heading to Atlantic City, you would think you were in Vermont.

[randome]

19. "Similar results as Oregon" means Clinton wins in pledged delegates.

What you're really hoping for is that Sanders gets something like 90-95% of California's delegates. That's not going to happen.
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[Dawgs]

26. Another one that is totally missing the point.

Of course.

[pinskinny]

28. Me personally? no

I think he will win the nomination by other means.

[asuhornets]

62. there are no other means..he has to have more delegates than clinton.

[frylock]

65. ..

[asuhornets]

70. LOL...I thought you were above all this FBI email nonsense....n/t

[frylock]

71. FBI email nonsense

[asuhornets]

72. That's my girl! And when I read your response, I did exactly what she is doing in that pic--laughed

[frylock]

84. We're all going to be enjoying a good laugh in a few weeks.

Well, not all of us.

[asuhornets]

86. June 7th--Hillary wins CA, NJ, NM..Sanders can have the other cute little adorable states..

SD, ND, Montana.

[asuhornets]

91. Talk about delusional..but

let's say he does, it still will not matter. She clinches the nomination on June 7th..

[frylock]

88. I got news: Hillary isn't going to win in California.

What do you suppose Babsie's little shit show was about?

[asuhornets]

90. Of course she will..maybe close...but she will win it.

[frylock]

93. Yeah.. no.

Ain't happening, and Hillary knows it. You may as well brace yourself, because the optics are going to be terrible. Trump is going have a field day with that.

[asuhornets]

94. No one is scared of Trump....The optics have not been terrible so far, except for Bernie

Bernie is now in negotiation with the Clinton folks---he wants some concessions--I say give it to him--depending on what he wants, of course.. He'd get this or that,,, then he will endorse her.

[frylock]

95. No one is scared of Trump.

[asuhornets]

96. lol..no i won't be..

[BumRushDaShow]

8. "landslide victory Over Hillary Clinton in a Oregon"

The population of the entire state of Oregon is less than the population of the single city of Los Angeles.

[pinskinny]

10. Closed Primary, only democrats can vote. Clinton got blown out.

What part of that is so hard to understand?

[BumRushDaShow]

11. What part of rural state is hard to understand?

[pinskinny]

14. Do we need to post every closed primary rural state Clinton won before this?

The post is not saying Clinton had the backing of Dems early on in the primary season, the post is stating she has lost the support of the Dems at the end of the season.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. In minimally populated rural states

there is no "flocking" going in that would somehow be statistically significant enough to even attempt to assert some trend.

[Matt_in_STL]

82. Oregon is #27 in population, higher than states the Clinton crowd have championed on this site

Additionally, with a current count of 570K votes tallied and more yet to come, more people voted for our candidates than some states with higher populations. Bernie got more votes in Oregon than Hillary received in Missouri (#18) or Arizona (#15), both larger states. I suppose if you want to discount the votes of states because you have some backward idea of their value based on your definition of "rural", that's your prerogative just as it is my prerogative to determine it is borderline moronic.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. The number of registered Democrats alone about to vote in Washington D.C.

is just about 132,000 less than that total vote for the entire state of Oregon, and that is what I mean when talking about "sparsely populated". My own city's (Philadelphia) 39% turnout of about 348,000, again illustrates the insignificance of the OP's assertion of the outcome of this one rural state purportedly signaling some sort of major sea-change. It's as silly as having so-called "first in the nation" primaries & caucuses and insisting on how a place like Iowa is supposed to somehow reflect the views of the entire country. It's bullshit.

[Matt_in_STL]

101. View these votes as you would a poll that is posted online from Gallup or Quinnipiac

Except, instead of a sample size of hundreds or a thousand to determine the general mood of Democrats, we just sampled 570K and got a temperature reading on how Democrats feel right now. The Democrats in Oregon feel that Bernie is a much more palatable option than Hillary and, as such, the incredibly large sample size proves that. This is a state that has voted for the Democratic candidate since 1988, solidly as of late, and will produce more electoral votes for the Dem nominee than many of the states touted by Hillary supporters as so important (the South for instance).

So, while you may want to shit all over Oregon for not being big enough, at least they'll produce for the Dems.

[BumRushDaShow]

102. Um no

Your assertion is to assume the will of a narrow segment of the country somehow portends to the rest of it and it doesn't. The U.S. is too "regionalized" in thinking for that. In essence, you argue (to make an analogy) that the will of one demographic is somehow reflective of all.

And as another counter argument, my own state (PA) has also not voted for a GOP President since 1988 and we just voted less than a month ago, and the numbers were reverse from Oregon, with over 3 times the number of voters. So using your argument, "the incredibly large sample size" here in PA (she received almost 1,000,000 votes here), counters your assertion.

And as a note - I am not a "Hillary supporter" but am a Democrat who will vote for whichever one makes the ticket here in PA. And at this point, Hillary appears to be the one who will be on my ballot come November.

I did not post to shit all over Oregon... But only to note that the OP has ascribed an (IMHO) outsized importance to that one state's results in the scheme of the whole election cycle.

[JCMach1]

13. Oregon is 78% white people... Oregon also bends a bit more left than the Democratic Party at large

That does not a 'flock' make...

[pinskinny]

16. The point of the post is, she won every one of these closed primary states

early on and now the party has shifted to backing Sanders.

[JCMach1]

21. Oregon does not look like the rest of the party in most states... it looks more like Vermont frankly

So no...

Plus his margin of victory only moved him farther away from the nomination. Reality check, even in Oregon the win was not big enough.

[CountAllVotes]

78. huh?

I live not far from Oregon and I know many who live there. I would describe it as far more right-wing than many states in the west and I was *shocked* when I heard that a person running for governor (whose name escapes me) had endorsed Bernie Sanders.

If anything, I'd say that Oregon is more on the conservative side far more than California is, that is for certain.

[Matt_in_STL]

83. So your argument is that Hillary can't win white voters?

Strong argument you have there. Good thing there aren't any of them in the GE.

[uponit7771]

15. To the tune of 3 million more votes? NO

[pinskinny]

17. Please read the post, your response makes no senses.

[uponit7771]

20. It was also another non diverse state, it's a known known that Sanders is winning the same coaliton

... that Clinton lost the 08 primary with.

He's whining, the black guy won against the machine Sanders calls rigged... what does that make him?

[pinskinny]

24. Obama was a corporate Democrat, he had half the machine behind him.

[uponit7771]

27. Obama was a long shot from the start, to claim the black guy wasn't is delusional at best

[BumRushDaShow]

35. "Obama was a corporate Democrat, he had half the machine behind him."

This assertion was my biggest laugh of the day.

When delusional pretzel twisting goes on to assert that the purported "corporate Democrat" (Clinton) lost to the purported "corporate Democrat" (Obama) in 2008 because of the "machine". There's not enough "machine" for this idiotic argument.

Do you all even read what you write?

[seabeyond]

22. I am pretty comfortable with Clinton's position.

[SidDithers]

23. 1771 to 1499....nt

Sid

[frylock]

66. Fewer than 12 Federal agents.

[Dawgs]

29. Amazing how many Clinton supporters missed your point.

But, maybe not amazing when you think about it.

[DrDan]

30. I doubt it - the point was wuite simple . . . overly so

[pinskinny]

32. I think most of them do not even read the posts that are not 100% pro Clinton.

They just write the same exact thing in every post, almost word for word.


Very robotic and suspicious I mite add.

[Dem2]

33. "Neckbeardland" + white rural areas?

I think we need a larger sample than that to prove your point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. That's rough.

[Dem2]

48. It's truth

My boys from that area tell me it's accurate.

[jzodda]

34. The problem remains the same

Even assuming what OP says is true and that folks are now turning against her its far little too late.

She has 96% of the delegates (which includes the unbound) needed to win.

On Jun 7th she will have more than enough.

Its too late....We are most likely going with her regardless at this point.

My take is that when the real campaign begins right after labor day the polls will move towards Clinton. The public will see that Trump is woefully unprepared and unqualified and give her a big bump.

We shall see....

[okieinpain]

50. which is my problem with this whole "dump hillary now".

where was all of this mess the last 4 years. why wait till the damn election to start screaming "anybody but hillary". hell now people don't even like bill clinton, it is maddening the way this is going. even when the were crowning hillary before the election I knew it was going to be a battle, i just didn't think the battle would be from the damn democrats.

[jzodda]

52. I agree with you

Every word of what you said.

This Bernie or Bust thing didn't even begin till after she had almost wrapped it up.

I want to train our fire on Trump not fight a rear guard action against fellow progressives.

[okieinpain]

55. +100

[tularetom]

60. I didn't wait, I was screaming anybody but hillary on January 20, 2009

And I disliked Bill Clinton as far back as 1994.

And as pissed off as I was at Biden over Clarence Thomas, I would have supported his candidacy over any Clinton.

I think it was up to Obama to indicate who he wanted to succeed him. And he didn't. Clinton just assumed it was her turn and nobody said shit. Until Sanders stood up.

[okieinpain]

110. ok i hear you, but i didn't see a lot of that back then

all i kept seeing was she was going to waltz into the white house, oh and everybody love big dog.

[pinskinny]

36. False, the super delegates do not count until the convention no matter how you try to spin it.

[BklnDem75]

92. You know you're replying to yourself, right? nt

[procon]

39. Its illogical to make such a false conclusion based on one win.

By your flawed reasoning then, all of his losses would be incontrovertible proof that registered Democrats are actualy ditching Sanders and flocking to Clinton... is that how it works?

[Sheepshank]

47. so sorry, you linear assumptions are way too simplistic. That's not how it works... or is working

[procon]

53. One win cancelled out all his prior defeats?

Is that the newest flocking logic? The major flaw in your assertion is the actual count of wins and losses is accumulative, as in the most votes, or the most delegates. You're trying to rewrite the rules and toss out prior defeats and accept only one win as some sort of indication that victory is at hand. As soothing as that might be, it's just sheer vanity that has no bases in either fact or reality.

[FSogol]

85. I can. Translation: Clap for Tinker Bell!

[brooklynite]

43. Solid evidence of voters "flocking to Sanders"!

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary/edit#!minpct=0&maxpct=100&mindate=2016-02-01&maxdate=2016-05-20&smoothing=moderate&showpoints=no&showsplines=yes&hiddenpollsters=&hiddensubpops=&partisanship=S,P,N&parties=D,N&selected=clinton,sanders&fudge=0.8

[Vattel]

57. I disagree. Oregon is like Washington. Very progressive.

[LiberalFighter]

58. That is proof? You would be thrown out of court with that.

[6chars]

59. are they going backwards in time too?

otherwise it's a moot point. he has lost the primaries he has lost. you can say "well he woulda won them if it was held now" and repeat until the cows come home. but elections have consequences.

[Demsrule86]

63. Are you kidding...you call Tuesday significant?

haha haha...so hilarious!

[xloadiex]

64. It appears Oregons true totals

Haven't come in yet and are being reported incorrectly.

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/05/20/update-the-oregon-primary-strikes-back/

[nolabels]

105. Yes this is a very good link

And it's no wonder Bernie is staying with it. And no doubt Bernie is probably so familiar with the B.S. thrown at him that he doesn't even notice it.

Talk about being battle tested!

[beachbumbob]

67. No longer relevant....

Game is over

[SFnomad]

69. BS won 'Democrats Abroad' ... that was a Closed Primary

and Kentucky was a very narrow win for Secretary Clinton. And BS has won numerous Closed Caucuses.

Secretary Clinton has won numerous Open Primaries and Caucuses. So which candidate is the more versatile one?

[apnu]

73. Sanders won OR by 56%. That not a landslide

It is a victory, a solid victory, but not a landslide.

Why does Sanders and his supports consistently use hyperbolic rhetoric?

[Betty Karlson]

74. Good!

I hope Clinton's coronation will come to a Crashing Halt on California's beaches.

[Betty Karlson]

104. Then start aiming for 40 point blow-outs.

Reaching for the stars has yielded some amazing results for Sanders. Remember when "he might win Vermont, but that's it"? He reached. And we reached. And more and more voters reached.

Look at what came within our reach. Oregon: every single part of the state went for Sanders! (OK, one exception, but only by two votes.)

[grasswire]

80. it does seem an uncontrolled frenzy, yes

Chaotic. Maybe Bill is "helping". He is reported to get angry at things and get involved.

[mythology]

99. Smarter analysis would disagree with you

Oregon is whiter than the U.S. as a whole. Sanders has done well in states with low black and Hispanic populations. That is something consistent across the scope of the primaries as opposed to your N of 1.

But feel free to continue thinking you're smarter than everybody else based on a fervent belief that Sanders has a path to the nomination. I'm sure you won't be touting that once Sanders concedes.

[jamese777]

103. The Numbers to date

Primaries' total popular vote as of May 20th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672

Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates (91 delegates short)
Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates (842 delegates short)

Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

[primnickel]

106. And their excuse why this doesnt matter will be...

that its a liberal white state. Same thing with Vermont. Same thing with Colorado and Michigan and Maine and Minnesota and on and on... All the states that make it possible for the dems to win general elections.

[AzDar]

109. K & R

[corbettkroehler]

112. +1 | Remember, He Can't Win A Closed Primary n/t

[primnickel]

117. Ditto

[Buttons3345]

114. LMAO!!!

[primnickel]

116. Don't forget he also tied her in a closed primary in Kentucky wchich she won by 60 in 2008