Hillary had 18 million votes in 2008, yet she knew to step aside. The Bernie voters

[Pisces]

Always want to discount the Hillary voters. She currently has 13 million voters that Bernie fans want to easily discount. They have just as much right to the process as Bernie fans.

Obama had a much steeper road to climb and he was also up against the Clinton machine, yet he was able to organize the ground game. Passions run high, but we are on the same side.

[uponit7771]

1. +1

[obamanut2012]

2. Cosign -- what she did at the Convetion that year was first-class

As was her campaigning for Obama for the GE.

[bigtree]

3. k&r

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. We are not backing down... So get used to it...

The era of Clintonian turd way politics will come to a close when Millennials take back this country from the corporatists.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. "Millennials take back this country"

Only if they get off their damn phones and pay attention to their surroundings. Interaction and engagement is more than punching virtual keyboards while walking in the street on a red light about to be hit by a car, missing elevator floors, or banging into people in a hallway because God-forbid, they look up to see where they are going.

[mindem]

39. How nice and condescending of you.

"Get off my lawn you goddamned kids"

[BumRushDaShow]

42. I have nieces and nephews who are millennials

and my post has nothing to do with any "get off my lawn" bullshit. There is a certain amount of focus that is needed to go along with the newer forms of communication, and the balance between the two needs to start happening. The world may seem to operate in soundbites but life does not.

[CajunBlazer]

65. LOL - so now Bernie's losses are the fault of the millennials - the latest excuse

They got off their phones long enough to attend Sanders' "massive" rallies and I'm assuming those kids also voted because they wanted the freebees Sanders was promising them. Maybe Bernie lost because there are simply weren't enough socialists and radical left zealots in the country.

[CajunBlazer]

60. The real losers don't know when to cut there losses

[AgerolanAmerican]

5. She didn't "step aside" at all

Historical revisionism isn't helping your case. Clinton didn't suspend her campaign until days after the final votes were cast.

She was outright defeated.

Her own actions make any call for Sanders to suspend his campaign hypocritical.

Obama didn't need to go up to his ears in election fraud to win, either.

[Pisces]

11. There is no election fraud. Only people who don't like the rules because they didn't

Understand them before they tried to vote. The rules are easier than they were for Obama, the people to blame are the campaign managers for not organizing in each state according to the rules well in advance. The truth is that Bernie never thought he would get this far and they did not prepare properly. The fact that people in AZ and NY did not know the rules about voting in the primary is a campaign problem. The rules were not changed 1 day before voting. Bernie fans need to hold up the mirror and blame the right people.

[Codeine]

6. He'll concede after the last primary vote, just like she did.

And then he'll campaign for her. And the great majority of his voters will go over to Hillary in November. This is primary nastiness on the Internet. In real life far fewer shits are given.

[AgingAmerican]

7. She stepped aside four days after Obama had enough delegates

She does not have enough delegates. Thanks for playing.

[oldandhappy]

8. she withdrew four days after the last primary

[Renaissance Man]

9. "Passions run high, but we are on the same side." Actually, we are not.

Actually, we are not on the same side.

This entire primary season, every supporter of Senator Sanders has repeatedly brought attention to the differences that are clear and evident between Senator Sanders and the right wing, hawkish, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, anti-poor, anti-middle class, anti-labor, pro-student loan debt, pro-corporation, anti-consistent policy positions characteristics of Hillary Clinton.

This entire primary season, we've asked for a focus on the issues and how much the party has marched to the right, only to be met with divisive "winning," and "the math," and red-baiting.

If it's one thing this primary season has taught us, is that no, we are not on the same side.

[Pisces]

16. How wrong you are. We are on the same side and many would love some of these

Utopian plans. What many of us know that wanting these things, paying for these things and getting them through Congress are a whole different matter. What these changes call for is an entire change to the system which would mean down ballot candidates that shared Bernie's view. We don't have these people to put in place in the Congress. We will not have a filibuster majority of
Bernie minded Senators. Bernie, were he to become President would be disappointing millions of people when he couldn't bring about the change he is promising. We don't vote in Kings or Dictators. Bernie can't make these changes on his own.

[Renaissance Man]

18. No. Once again, we are not on the same side.

You failed to answer the substance of my post. Saying "we are on the same side" when the evidence points to the contrary, particularly at the person that is assumed to be the standard bearer of the party, shows that we are not on the same side.

[Pisces]

25. Any you have no answer to my statements about a Congress that would not enact

Any of Bernies promises because he will not have a Congress that is like minded. THere are no down ballot candidates that will be voted in that support his agenda. How will he get these things done without a Congress to write and pass the laws??????

[Ohioblue22]

21. Well put! Nice

[Waiting For Everyman]

40. And so you don't even have the spine to be FOR those things?

Unacceptable! Those things are NOT "Utopian" by any means, and if she can't even have such goals, then she is against us.

We are not drive ups, we realize that she faces the same Congress, so she will get nothing done anyway. The difference is, that is her INTENTION. And the difference is, Bernie could actually have coat tails to change the face of Congress, this time and after the next mid-terms. But we will lose that chance simply to satisfy HRC's vanity and ambition.

That "practicality" spiel is another bullshit argument, as all of hers are.

And don't even act like HRC or her supporters CARE about us being "disappointed" if Bernie were elected and didn't get all of his programs passed. That is just laughable. HRC's talking points really reek.

[CobaltBlue]

48. Pisces—We are not on the same side.

You do not have the political will for a truly progressive form of leadership and policies.

[basselope]

12. Sorry, we are not on the same side.

Obama and Clinton were basically the same, which is why I didn't vote in the primary, care who won or vote for the winner.

Bernie, actually represents the change we NEED in this country.

[mac56]

13. "The Bernie voters always want to discount the Hillary voters."

Projection: it's not just for movie theaters anymore.

[mythology]

62. Are you contending you haven't seen post after post after post

claiming that Sanders has the people behind him ignoring that Clinton has more pledged delegates representing that she's gotten more votes?

[NWCorona]

14. Fail!

Hillary dropped out well after the last vote was cast.

[Bonobo]

15. Nothing like a brimmin' cup of cognitive dissonance in the morning!

She "gracefully bowed" out after Obama clinched it as you have now been informed.

[Herman4747]

17. MILLIONS OF INDEPENDENTS DID *NOT* VOTE IN OUR PRIMARIES!

But these people will be voting in November.

Now, who do you suppose Independents largely favor, Hillary or Bernie?

Hint: Consider Hillary's unfavorable rating, a rating derived not simply by asking Democrats only, but by asking ALL VOTERS. Her disapproval rating is 56%!!

There's a reason why polls consistently show Bernie matching up better against Trump. Think about it!!

Hillary: not only is she a Kissinger-crony Corporate Democrat, but she's also a most risky proposition.

[Pisces]

20. These are not different rules from 2008!!! Independents have never been able to vote

In a closed primary. Why is this news to you? Are you a first time voter?

[Herman4747]

24. INDEPENDENTS CAN VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

Now, do you want a candidate appealing to these millions upon millions of voters, or DO YOU INSTEAD WANT ONE WHO TURNS THEM OFF??

Think it over. Think it over deeply.

Hillary should withdraw, and withdraw now. Far too much is at stake.

[Thinkingabout]

53. You are right, the primary is the DNC Primary, in some states it was closed and not open to those

Registered as other party affiliation.

[Ohioblue22]

26. Now there's a whole Lotta hate.

L

[frylock]

27. Reap the fucking whirlwind

[Ohioblue22]

29. Lol

[frylock]

30. ..

[Ohioblue22]

34. Clever and original

Oh I get it, the poster is crying " save me magic talisman from people who make me angry with their words"

[frylock]

37. Unlike you Brockboys.

[Ohioblue22]

44. what's a brockboy?

[Dem2]

66. Shark

=

Jumped

[onecaliberal]

22. She went all the way to California, get your facts straight.

[Recursion]

57. CA was in February in 2008

So, about getting facts straight...

[SheilaT]

23. She stayed in until after the last primary.

I'll repeat that: In 2008 Hillary Clinton did NOT exit the race until after the very last of the primaries and caucuses.

Personally, I live in a state that doesn't vote until next month. Although we have excellent early voting in my state, and I will be voting early. But please stop demanding Bernie Sanders do something that Hillary Clinton did not. Otherwise, you might want to review the definition of the word "hypocrisy".

[Ohioblue22]

28. The gap between Obama and Hillary was much closer than Bernie and hillary

[SheilaT]

43. Doesn't matter.

There were plenty of people calling for her to end her campaign 8 years ago and she stayed in.

I want to cast a meaningful vote next month.

If Bernie does withdraw before I can vote for him, I absolutely will not be voting for Hillary.

[Ohioblue22]

45. It does matter but You don't care. Your vote for bernie will be symbolic at best

[SheilaT]

49. If Hillary Clinton had graciously bowed out before the

last of the primaries in 2008, then these calls for Bernie to bow out would make more sense.

So my vote for Bernie will be symbolic. It is very important to me that I vote for him.

So be prepared to watch Bernie's popularity continue to grow, while hers continues to fall.

[Waiting For Everyman]

31. He doesn't have to do what she did, and her #s are bullshit.

She has faked every angle of this Primary, which is well documented.

What the Dem party forgets, and I say this as a very long term (11 Presidential elections, and mid-terms in between) Dem party straight-ticket voter, is that their treatment of Sanders is the same as treating his voters the same way.

Many here seem to block out the fact that a lot of Sanders' voters are DEMS! We are Dems just as much as you, and in many cases longer, and we don't appreciate the bullshit treatment of us and our candidate.

Silly me, I naively expected a fair Primary: two Dems running, giving each of them an equal shot. What an eye-opener this has been, and what we saw wasn't a bit pretty.

Well all bets are off! I am no longer a straight-ticket Dem voter. And that's ENTIRELY due to the crap behavior of HRC, the party, and her surrogates, pundits, and supporters.

[Pisces]

38. CA, NJ haven't voted yet. That was her overall total. We will see what this year is at the end

[Schema Thing]

33. She stayed in past the last primary. She stayed in past the last primary. She...

stayed in past the last primary.



Read till understood.

[mmonk]

35. The truth should never step aside regardless of vote totals.

[beardown]

36. So you're saying Hillary's a quitter.

Maybe if she could have been paid for speaking at more Hillary rallies she would have stayed in the race longer.

[notadmblnd]

41. You're right. She knew to step aside

But didn't because you know- Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June 1968 so she stayed in back in 2008, just in case.

[morningfog]

46. Premature post. Hillary stepped aside 4 days after the last primary was held.

We still have about 3 weeks until the last primary.

[AZ Progressive]

47. Hypocrite, she stayed in until June 5th

Don't complain until at least June 6th...

[JustinL]

55. actually, Bernie has until June 16th

In 2008, the last contests were on June 3rd. This year, it's June 14th. June 6th is the day before CA, NJ, etc.

[corbettkroehler]

50. In 2008, She Stepped Aside When? When There Was No Chance

How quickly you forget that, in 2008, she reminded voters that her husband didn't clinch the 1992 nomination until California. She went on to say that she felt it was good for the party to remain until the end. Why the double standard? Sanders has a narrow path to victory (by his own admission) but a path nonetheless.

The only reason you want to focus on Sanders' withdrawal at this juncture is the fact that HRC has historically high unfavorables and Sanders polls much better against Trump.

[Baobab]

51. Many people voted for her thinking she had a better healthcare plan not realizing she was part of a

scheme to make affordable healthcare impossible by means of lock in with sneaky t-deals. had I known that in 2008 I likely would have voted for a third party candidate.

[AtomicKitten]

52. She's also under joint FBI/Dept of Justice criminal investigation.

He'd be a fool to drop out.

He's taking it all the way, that's his prerogative, and that's that.

[Quixote1818]

54. Wrong, she stayed in until the end waiting for Obama to get assassinated

[MadBadger]

56. Well no...at this point Hillary was saying a lot of the same things

Lets see what Bernie does mid June.

[kaleckim]

59. LOL!

Yeah, she stepped aside days after the convention, when it was even clearer to her then than the situation is now that she had lost. Obama, if I remember correctly, wasn't under FBI investigation at the time either. She did, in that time, apparently guarantee her gig at the State Department, so good for her. She didn't demand anything policy wise because she doesn't care enough about actual issues. I'm with her!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

61. She didn't step aside until June

[timmymoff]

63. Do Hillary supporters even speak any truths anymore?

She didn't step aside. damn what lying fools. She stayed in until the very last primary and then four days afterwards. She put her name on the ballot in Michigan when other candidates (Edwards and Obama) didn't. No wonder people think you guys are full of shit, it's because you're full of shit. Revisionist history at it's best.

[Skwmom]

64. In 2008, one corporatist was stepping aside for another corporatist.