I watched Hillary Clinton’s forces swipe Nevada: This is what the media’s not telling you

[Uncle Joe]

(snip)

I had wanted to be a delegate, myself, but knew I was going to be out of town during the county convention in April, so I didn’t put my hat in the ring at the February caucus, where I had served as a precinct captain for Bernie. It was my first election season in Nevada, my first caucus, and the whole process seemed wild to me, taking what was normally such a private experience—voting quietly in an individual booth—and turning it into a political game of Red Rover, people taking sides in a room, trying to sway folks to come over to their side, their candidate; it was a civil game in our precinct, but I could see how easily things could turn nasty. I was grateful my husband had volunteered himself to be a county delegate, and was excited when he got the email that he was chosen to be a state delegate, as well. Nevada has a strange three-tier system—Hillary had won a majority at the February caucus, but more Bernie delegates showed up at the county caucus, negating Hillary’s win, so the race for delegates at the state convention promised to be a tight one. I looked forward to seeing the process in action; I never expected that process would become so chaotic and surreal, although I had become used to surreal of late.

(snip)

The convention started out well the next morning. Everyone seemed excited to be there—people were decked out in their Bernie and Hillary gear, smiling, passing out buttons, bustling about. I signed a petition to bring solar energy incentives back to Nevada, feeling happy that my son could witness this whole process, witness democracy in action. He and I found a place to sit on the floor on the side of the room as my husband took his seat in the Washoe County Bernie section near the front of the hall. The chairwoman, Roberta Lange, gave a rousing welcome, reminding all of us that we were there to defeat Trump and his misogyny, his xenophobia, his hate, his lies. The room felt unified, energized, cheering as a group; I felt inspired, felt yes, we can do this together.

It wasn’t long before things took a turn. At 9:30, a full half hour before registration closed, Lange read the results of ballots that had been passed out to early arriving conventioneers regarding temporary rules for the convention, rules which would discount the results of the county convention (the second tier of the caucus process, where Bernie had won more delegates), rules which would require that all votes at the convention be decided by voice alone, and which ruled that the decision of the chairperson would be final. These temporary rules had passed with flying colors, which did not sit well with the Bernie delegates, many of whom had not been given ballots. Suddenly half the people of the room were on their feet, shouting “No!!!!” My son and I jumped to our feet as well, added our voices to the chorus. It felt good, all those voices of resistance vibrating through my body. I started to feel less like a cloud. I felt myself drop back into my body, surrounded by all these bodies yelling “No!”, feeling alive inside my skin.

Then people began to chant “Recount” and my son and I joined this call, too, throats aching, adrenaline coursing. Lange took the temporary rules to a voice vote. A hearty round of “Aye”s rose up from the Hillary side of the room, but when it was time for the “Nay” vote, the response was so loud, I felt it shake my every cell, felt it alter my heartbeat. The room was explosive with “Nay”s, roaring with it, and yet Lange decided in favor of the “Aye”s, which only set off more yelling. I thought about my dad, how once when I was a kid, I wanted to do something and my sister didn’t, and he said “If someone says no, you need to listen.” Lange definitely didn’t listen to all the “no”s in the room.

(snip)

From reports from my husband and other conventioneers, and from my own firsthand experience as my son and I wandered in and out of the hall as the day progressed, it appeared that Lange didn’t listen to much of anything the Bernie delegates had to say; she appeared not to count the votes from that side of the room; she ejected dozens of Bernie delegates who didn’t have a chance to defend their eligibility, and who, if they were allowed to stay, would have given Bernie more delegates than Hillary; she didn’t allow for a “minority report”; she cut off microphones when people challenged her.

When I read news stories about what happened that day, I don’t recognize much of what is being reported—while there was plenty of chaos, I witnessed no violence (nor did my husband or anyone else I knew at the convention). Bernie supporters were not trying to change the rules, as some journalists reported: they were justifiably outraged when the chairperson changed the rules without a majority vote, and then more outraged when, later, after a motion for a delegate recount, she shut the whole convention down with a pound of the gavel and threatened arrest to anyone who stayed in the room. So many of the news reports of the convention feel like gaslighting in that regard—stories trying to make it sound as if the Bernie delegates were a bunch of crazy nutjobs, when all they wanted was to be heard and counted.

I am not a Bernie or Bust-er—I will vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination—but I know many Bernie supporters who would have voted for Hillary changed their minds after what they experienced that day, and my husband said that even though he’ll vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee, it will be hard for him to do so after what happened at the convention. At a time when Democrats should be banding together to defeat the most dangerous candidate I can imagine, we are imploding, ourselves, which is terrifying. I only hope we can pull ourselves together as a party before November.

(snip)

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/20/i_watched_hillary_clintons_forces_swipe_nevada_this_is_what_the_medias_not_telling_you/

This is a good read.

[tonyt53]

1. About the only thing that changed after the NV debacle, was some of Bernies supporters have switched

[mikeysnot]

2. ^^^^

[kiva]

30. See, I'm was there and I'm still in Nevada

and what I saw change was that many Bernie supporters are going to vote none of the above on the presidential part of the ballot; this author might not, but I think enough will that Nevada is looking more red than purple.

[oasis]

3. I'm amazed Bernie supporters keep fanning the flames of Tantrumgate.

So far it's been a losing issue.

[Raster]

4. And I am surprised that fellow Democrats are fine with the outright cheating...

...and manipulation just to make sure their candidate wins.

I'm gonna save that shitty little violin gif for ya... come Wednesday, November 9 we'll see if you still like the tune.

[bigtree]

10. we're not fine with it

...we strongly object to the attempt to steal Hillary's NV delegates through intimidation and disruption tactics.

Not especially keen on people here rooting against her in November, either.

[RichVRichV]

55. Prove it.

Prove your claim that there was any attempt by Bernie, his campaign, or his supporters to steal delegates in Nevada. There was no stolen delegates by anyone supporting Bernie. Hillary delegates failed to show up and register at the Clark county convention. That is all that happened.

[QC]

14. It's all about the team, baby.

Things like issues and policies and stuff are, like, you know, for dorkwads!

[oasis]

18. "Outright cheating"??? That's yet to be determined. What we do know

is the disruption and rowdiness have damaged the image of Bernie's campaign.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Disruption and rowdiness was only Clinton surrogate lies.

Doesn't sound like testimony in OP was in 'fear for their life'. Nor is there any video showing such. Just Clintonian lies. Which is why millions of Sanders supporters are now "Never Clinton". She's burned the bridges.

[Demsrule86]

25. You mean when Sanders supporters

sent letters with the wrong time? In April...and took delegates they did not win...you got exactly what you deserved in Nevada...and your we 'stole it first' is just silly.

[RichVRichV]

57. It was a lie before and it's a lie your stating now.

First off the email to the delegates didn't come from a Bernie supporter, it came from the party itself. Second off it was sent to both Bernie and Hillary supporters. Third it was completely accurate. Here is a copy of the email to the delegates in question:



Now here is a direct quote from the Nevada Democratic Delegate Selection Plan, page 8, 2a.

a) Exact registration times shall be set by each county’s respective convention committee. However, each convention committee shall be directed to open in-person registration for no less than three (3) hours between 4:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. on Friday, April 1st; and no less than two (2) hours prior to the convention’s call to order, while remaining open until 12:00 p.m. Where practicable, the Nevada State Democratic Party encourages county parties to use online pre-registration beginning up to 30 days prior to the county convention date. However, the use of online pre-registration does not exempt or mitigate the requirements for in-person registration set forth here.

Oh look everything in that email follows the state parties rules on when registration is supposed to happen. The 3 hour mandatory registration time on Friday was met. The 2 hours before convention convened on Saturday was met. The keeping registration open until noon on Saturday was met. The dates were correct. Once again, the email was truthful. No one was lied to. Bernie supporters didn't cheat. Large numbers of Hillary supporters just didn't bother to register for the second round. That's why they lost it.

[sturnz0r]

92. There are way too many ocurrences

Of claims being made by one side, and after a link or snip is replied, it is just crickets

It's just a shame that the supporter of the candidate with facts keeps on getting let down with this Democratic process

[dchill]

126. Truth messes with Hillary's script...

All the time. The truth is no longer operative (to paraphrase Ron Zeigler.)

[kayakjohnny]

114. You might want to lose that 'kindness and love' thing.

None of your post have shown a lick of either.

It makes you look like a complete hypocrite.

[panader0]

117. Haa! I completely agree, but I believe it's an HRC/Brock slogan

[Merryland]

153. It's like a hostile version of "kindness and love"

sending the exact opposite of kindness and love

[CorporatistNation]

91. I Myself Have Witnessed Plenty Of Bullshit Of This Sort By Dem Party Apparatchiks, But THIS Is...

BEYOND THE PALL! THE "FOX" TRULY IS IN CHARGE OF THE HEN HOUSE IN THE democratic party! The Party is full of cheaters like Roberta this old bag acting like a 7th grader! Truly a POS of ... THE FIRST ORDER! Hillary will deserve everything she

gets IF she makes it to November. The little people have ... FUCKING HAD IT WITH THIS SHIT! Fuck these assholes! i saw the video of Roberta's antics... (See Below!) Just as this writer described! Hillary apparently cannot prevail without ... twisting the rules, the circumstances or any other variable that might preempt her planned coronation as Queen of Wall Street! So we are just supposed to sit there and take it? WTF? They "played games" with the delegate voting here in Florida as well, ( inserting soft Bernie people who will go for Hillary at the first opportunity!) however nothing compares to this... OUTRIGHT THEFT OF AN ELECTION!

The real stupidity on the Clinton side is they cause all of this negativity for two fucking more delegates! Now THAT is REALLY STUPID! She is to hear her talk... miles ahead of Bernie in the PD lead... But the Clinton Team decides to... BLATANTLY FUCK OVER BERNIE AND HIS SUPPORTERS FOR TWO FUCKING DELEGATES?

Yeah... That is absolutely a recipe for PARTY UNIFICATION... NOT! Ya see Bernie is not your usual candidate... willing to step back in return for promises that it will be his turn ... next time! The WINNING Team does not gettit... FOR BERNIE AND HIS "REVOLUTIONARIES..." THAT THIS IS A FIGHT TO THE FINISH....

See ya in Philly ladies... It is gonna be a BARN BERNER!

Bernie Has The Fire And Is Competing To WIN The Nomination!

Roberta Lange.. "Choreographing" The Outcome!

ROBERTA LANGE Interview... She shows some real "character" here as does the "very capable" interviewer... sic

[Ghost Dog]

131. ... For two f'ing delegates...

... That, and provoking an opportunity to smear/swiftboat...

[oberliner]

148. So Bernie folks are using Trump lines now?

Crooked Hillary?

[CorporatistNation]

159. A YhUGE Find... REAL Sniper Fire In Bosnia!

[workinclasszero]

5. Some people never learn

The riot in Nevada broke the back of the Bernie campaign.

Only the white male angst rages on.

[tonyt53]

52. YUP!!!

[frylock]

56. It's going to be funny when a crippled Sanders campaign wins in California.

It will be one of the few instances that I tune into MSHRC.

[CajunBlazer]

88. It is going to be hilarious when he loses California

after putting all of his remaining eggs in the California basket.

And even if he were to win California (by a percentage point of so), it going to be hilarious when Hillary wins the nomination on the first vote of the convention.

But maybe you won't find either of those thing to be funny. No sense of humor after all.

[frylock]

89. Stay in your lane, Cajun.

CA is not LA. Bernie has got this.

[CajunBlazer]

93. Your little donkey is going to be holding his head even lower after California

I lived in the great State of California for five years; trust me - on freeways I will drive all over your lane any time I choose.

[frylock]

108. Lived.

There is little to no support for Mrs Clinton round here. It's going to be a Best Coast sweeper.

[CajunBlazer]

121. Then you don't know California

....if you did you would not imply that just because no one in you little circle supports Clinton, no one in the state does. California is probably has one of the most diverse political climates in the country. It could be broken into at least three states and virtually no one in California would complain.

But as an indication of how out of step your little group is, here are the results of the latest California polls:

KABC/SurveyUSA 4/27-4/30 Clinton 57 Sanders 38 Clinton +19

FOX News 4/18-4/21 Clinton 48 Sanders 46 Clinton +2

CBS News/YouGov 4/13-4/15 Clinton 52 Sanders 40 Clinton +12

Gravis 4/7-4/10 Clinton 47 Sanders 41 Clinton +6

Good luck to the old socialist in California - he is going to need it.

[frylock]

124. What's Nate the Great's prediction? 91% chance of victory? 92?

What do you think the Babsie Boxer shit show in NV was all about?

[CajunBlazer]

157. What are you going to say after the California priamary?

Oh, oh...I know! Nothing! That will be because after Hillary wins California she will have cinched the nomination. (Heck, even if Sanders wins California, Hillary will cinch the Nomination that day.) You will say nothing because Skinner will flip switch and supporting Sanders will longer be allowed on DU and bashing Hillary will be forbidden. So you will either keep your trap shut about St. Bernard and muzzle you comments about Hillary or you will be shown the door. Works for me either way.

Oh well, all good things must come to and end. So you have until June 8th. So you have a little over two weeks left.

[frylock]

158. See you on Super Tuesday...

errrrr... 6/8!

[HooptieWagon]

61. What riot is that?

[workinclasszero]

63. The famous one

[HooptieWagon]

65. Oh, The Big Lie one.

[workinclasszero]

73. No the one where Sanders people tried to steal

Hillary delegates voted for by the people of Nevada.

They rioted when their bold attempt at subverting democracy was stopped dead in its tracks by the brave chairwoman and Senator Boxer.

Chairs flew and bros were screaming BITCH at the top of their lungs at them and rushed the stage.

The hotel had to call in security to protect them and shut down the riot.

Then the mob went over to the Democratic HQ and vandalized it.

Later death threats were called in to the poor woman and her grandkids even.

It really opened the eyes of many Bernie Democrats who want no part of rioting mob action.

[HooptieWagon]

78. Cool story, Bro.

Might even get you a fiction writers award if you submit it.

[Ghost Dog]

132. Amazing.

[oasis]

111. That would be "Tantrumgate". nt

[arikara]

116. There was no riot in Nevada and you people fucking well know it.

The pathetic lying is not working.

[CorporatistNation]

119. Funny, I Work With A Bunch of Older White Women And They Cannot Stand Hillary!

So wait and see... Plenty of NEWS to drop in the next 10 days or so per NY Times yesterday... Should be interesting... Hmmm?

[Uncle Joe]

6. People are apt to throw "tantrums" or get angry when they feel disenfranchised from their right

to vote and it makes no difference whether the real or perceived perpetrator has a R or D in front of their name.

Democratic Underground roots sprang from anger and in that case objects; eggs actually were thrown unlike Nevada where corporate media conglomerate fictitious chairs were thrown.

These would be the same corporate media conglomerates use of mass propaganda which enabled Bush to power in the first place.

[oasis]

15. Protests after the stolen 2001 election, I can understand.

Bernie surely want's to put the ugliness of the Nevada incident behind him, especially when it can only do more damage to his campaign.

[Uncle Joe]

17. The record and truth require correcting, the corporate media conglomerates waged an all out

one sided propaganda offensive against not just Bernie's supporters but Bernie as well.

Despite the fact that Bernie has always been a class candidate decrying or condemning violence in any form, unlike most other politicians Bernie even held his fire in attacking Hillary over her e-mails during a national debate.

This wasn't good enough for the corporate media conglomerates, along with Schultz and other establishment Democrats they wanted Bernie to wear sack cloth and ashes as well, condemn his supporters without acknowledging the unfairness and undemocratic/unDemocraticness of what transpired in Nevada and for that matter throughout much of this campaign.

Bernie isn't going to lay down for this and neither are we.

[oasis]

38. If "Bernie is not going to lay down for this", okay by me.

However "Let sleeping dogs lie" in this case can be applied to the (corporate media) dogs.

It's best to let them "lie" (intentional pun) chalk it up to experience, and move on.

The more the Nevada video is played, the more votes he loses.

[reformist2]

48. Yes. The more the Nevada video is played, the more votes she loses.

[oasis]

62. Let the MSM play the video 24/7. I'm willing to bet that voters

in the GE will find relief with the DNC, as they look back at the DNC's rejection of reprehensible behavior.

[snowy owl]

127. I guess quiet and nice makes it easier for the Koch Brothers to steal our money.

that's okay with you I guess. Let's all be quiet and nice. Politics isn't generally quiet and nice but I guess of you think it should be, well let's all be quiet and nice while Trump wins the Presidency.

[think]

31. Did the rules get changed to favor Hillary or not? If a voice vote is unclear should the chair take

an actual vote or just ignore the calls for a recount , slam the gavel, and run for the exit?

[oasis]

42. Future convention delegates: Show up so there's no need to blow up.

[highprincipleswork]

83. I know, we should just acquiesce and absorb into the Borg that is the current Democratic Party.

[primnickel]

7. It's not supposed to matter anymore because..

they made up all those lies about violence. Don't you know that cheating is alright so long as you make up lies demonizing the other party?

[CajunBlazer]

96. Your candidate lost the Nevada caucus, and he lost the nomination

And even if he magically was awarded every Nevada delegate he would still lose the nomination by a healthy margin.

That's why it doesn't matter.

GET OVER IT!

[cali]

8. Excellent piece

[JudyM]

59. +1. If only it were widely published.

[seabeyond]

11. Clinton won. Sanders didn't show up. Deal with it. PUMA 2016!!!

[trudyco]

12. Thanks for posting this Uncle Joe

and thanks to Salon for actually letting the truth be told at least in some sort of media. The person didn't mention the Barbara Boxer provocations, though?

[MisterP]

29. I'm surprised--it was the #2 story on Salon. kick

[bigtree]

13. she was having an out of the body experience

...Hillary folks outnumbered Sanders supporters at the convention.

There is NO WAY that the Clinton folks would have voted with those yelling 'no'. This is sophistry.

[Recursion]

16. What she's describing sounds to me like how party conventions work

I think that's what bothers the people who are bothered by the Sanders supporters' actions: this is (or at least seems like) a whole bunch of people who have never been to the rodeo before barging in and saying "your way is wrong; you have to do it our way". Which makes people defensive.

[Uncle Joe]

21. The chair steamrolled the delegates, didn't allow votes, purged Bernie delegates without a

hearing and any convention that "works" like this will be disaster for whoever is holding it.

It all depends on what the goals of the convention are, if Hillary is so inevitable and unity for the general election is a major goal, why use such draconian, undemocratic actions which would only insure animosity and feelings of disenfranchisement?

Roberta could have easily allowed actual votes to take place.

[Recursion]

26. Nah. Obama did the same thing in NV in 2008 and it was fine

He picked up IIRC 4 delegates at the state convention because he had more of his people show up. That's what I'm saying: this actually is how these things work.

[think]

33. The chairperson ignored the voice vote and just slammed through new rules favoring Obama?

Please do show a link for that...

[Recursion]

35. Yep.

Please do show a link for that...


Nope. You can do your own research on how convention rules work in practice, if you actually care. I'd imagine the minutes of the convention are floating around the web somewhere, though.

[think]

37. It's your claim. Own it.

[Recursion]

41. I do own it. It's not my job to teach you this stuff, though.

If you care, you can go learn. If not, you can keep stamping your feet that "the system is rigged" or whatever. Doesn't really matter to me.

[think]

44. Because it didn't happen like you said. He had more delegates but the chair didn't change the rules

The chair didn't ignore a call for a recount of the voice vote. It wasn't anything like what transpired this time and you know it.

Sad...

[Recursion]

47. Neither of those happened in 2016 either

So, you're getting warmer.

The "rules change" people are freaking out about was the rules worked out by the executive committee, which had equal membership from both campaigns.

The chair correctly ruled a recount call to be out of order, which is not "ignoring" it.

[think]

49. So the person is lying in this article? Is that what you're saying?

[CajunBlazer]

86. Let's be kind and say that she was ignorant of the rules

After all, it was her first rodeo and she did seem to be emotionally... distraught.

But, tell me this, since Clinton delegates outnumbered Sanders delegates at the convention (mostly because Clinton actually won and partly because some of the Sanders delegates didn't bother to show up), how can Sanders delegates expect to win a vote, whether it be a voice vote or otherwise? Do they think they can just yell louder than everyone else and that will work?

[think]

87. Erin Bilbray was on the board. She claims the rules were changed after she voted on them

Her father, a Hillary supporter present at the convention, ripped up his ballot he was so embarrassed by the cheating:

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/vb.9583477694/10153761545822695/?type=2&theater

[Recursion]

112. And she was shown to be wrong. The date change happened on a conference call she participated in

But, yeah, I'm being charitable and saying "mistaken". People have a lot of balls in the air at once this time of year so I am totally willing to concede that she probably forgot.

[think]

125. I watched Erin give her account. I believe her. A minority report was refused to be heard.

If you've got nothing to hide let them read the report! Delegates were stricken and the vote was changed!

Here's the video. Enjoy:

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/vb.9583477694/10153761545822695/?type=2&theater

[Mnpaul]

136. But what would her father know?

They're just a bunch of noobs

Bilbray practiced law and was deputy district attorney of Clark County, Nevada, from 1965 to 1967. He was then chief legal counsel in the Clark County juvenile court from 1967 to 1968 and was an alternate municipal judge in Las Vegas from 1978 to 1980. He became licensed to practice law before the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Control Board in 1970. A Democrat, he ran for the United States House of Representatives in 1972 against conservative incumbent Walter Baring, a fellow Democrat who was disliked by his party's establishment. Bilbray won the primary and was expected to win the general election, but Baring surprised him by endorsing the Republican nominee, David Towell, who upset Bilbray in a close race. Bilbray made a comeback in 1980 when he was elected to the Nevada State Senate, where he served from 1981 to 1987, and also became chairman of the Taxation Committee and a member of the Judiciary Committee. He successfully ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1986 for the seat being vacated by Harry Reid, who made a successful run for the U.S. Senate in the same election. He served as chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Taxation, Tourism and Procurement and was also a member of the Foreign Affairs, Armed Services and Intelligence committees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bilbray

[think]

137. Thank you for this back ground information. It adds a lot to the picture /nt

[frylock]

58. Classic conservative tactic right here.

See it all the time on FB or in comment sections. Make some specious claim, and when called to provide evidence, draw the "do your own research" card. Clearly, you have done the research, so why not please share your knowledge with the group? It couldn't possibly be because what you claim never really happened, could it?

[joshcryer]

51. They were not "new rules."

They were the preliminary rules used since 2008 that they simply made permanent.

[think]

54. "Lange and an executive board secretly voted on rules two weeks before the convention to give Lange

Lange and an executive board secretly voted on rules two weeks before the convention to give Lange “exclusive control”

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/18/how-democrats-manipulated-nevada-state-party-convention-then-blamed-sanders-chaos

So there was a rule giving the chair exclusive control in 2008? Really?

[joshcryer]

64. Yes, you can read the email exchange.

That wasn't anything new. The chair runs the thing, if their judgement is in question the whole thing is chaos as we saw.

[think]

69. what email exchange are you referring to?

[joshcryer]

71. It's on Ralston reports.

The politifact article mentions it.

I'm on my phone but this is easy to prove its a joke.

[think]

74. "Once again the vast majority of those provisions date back to 2008 "

So in other words NO.

These weren't the exact same rules and some, most likely the ones being challenged, were NOT the same as 2008.

That's straight from the email chain.

[joshcryer]

75. Sanders people were on the committee, you're just wrong about this.

[think]

77. The email discussion is with a Sander's supporter on the board complaining how it was handled.

In case you forgot....

From the email chain you reference:

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Erin Bilbray wrote:
Roberta, Marla & Zach,

The eboard passed the attached election rules by unanimous consent. However these rules are not the ones posted on NV Dems. Please note that the election rules we passed had the eboard filing deadline this Friday, April 29th. The ones posted had the deadline today.

I am sure this is an innocent error. But please make sure we correct it quickly.

Thank you.

Erin Bilbray

[CajunBlazer]

95. Your candidate lost Nevada, and he lost the nomination

and even if Sanders were given every Nevada delegate tomorrow he would still lose the nomination by a healthy margin.

GET OVER IT!!!

[think]

97. You're pathetic. I post a response about a member of the executive board claiming rules were changed

Instead of responding to that post you post replies to 2 other posts of mine making spurious claims and telling me to get over it.

Apparently you think that's a clever strategy...

[CajunBlazer]

100. Who gives a rip?

Your like a guy whose team lost a game 41-14 and he's bitching about a call the ref missed in the third quarter.

If you wanted to make sure something like this didn't happen, you should have made sure all of those Sanders fans at his Nevada rallies had actually showed up at the caucuses and voted.

It easy, your guy lost and what happened in Nevada didn't make a tinkers damn in the final results.

Again, GET OVER IT!!!

[think]

103. You can't defend against the fact that they broke the rules. Sad and pathetic.

Roberta Lange, a Hillary surrogate broke the rules. Just admit it and feel the relief of being honest with yourself...

[CajunBlazer]

90. So....

Wow, the State Chairwoman having complete control at the convention... what a novel arrangement. Were the convention rules followed? - YES! Did the Sanders delegates have the numerical superiority to win any vote... NO! So had there been a public vote at the convention "to give Lange 'exclusive control”, would it have passed? YES

Look most of the Sanders delegates to the Nevada convention were brand new to the process. They were both out numbered and out maneuvered by more experienced Clinton delegates. In keeping with the Sanders meme that the DNC is not being fair to his campaign, the Sanders delegates thought they were being cheated and pitched a fit.

By all accounts the Obama delegates pulled the same maneuver at the Nevada convention in 2008 and the Clinton delegates never complained. Why the difference in reaction to the exact same thing? In 2008 the Clinton delegates knew the rules; in 2014 the Sanders delegates did not.

[procon]

67. The chair recognised Hillary outnumbered Sanders. Tough breaks.

There have been any number of news investigations into this sordid ruckus, but the rules haven't changed since 2008. The rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, and there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention goers.

The rules, which can be read here, require a voice vote, and others that say only the convention chair can declare the winner, or call for any change in the method of voting. So contrary to what that ignorant woman says in her rant, or what any of you Sanders fans wish, the delegates don't get to to demand a separate round of voting.

Be brave, read the investigations. You have no basis for complaint, none whatsoever, because these are the rules, limitations and restrictions agreed to by the Sanders Campaign. If you are angry, then your displeasure should more appropriately be directed at Sanders, yeah?

[CajunBlazer]

85. but, but, but.... those voting "NO" yelled louder

[Maven]

19. POLITIFACT: Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."

Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures don’t reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.

But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevada’s state Democratic Convention can’t change the simple fact that Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Jeez, all this for just a couple of delegates. Clinton zealotry is blind and off the rails.

This was perhaps the watershed moment of the campaign when voters collectively said "WTF?!!!" This is the point where scales tipped irretrievably against Clinton in the general election proving the adage you reap what you sow.

[leftynyc]

24. LOL

The only thing the ruckus in NV has done is turn people off Bernie. But the denial stage seems to be working for you.

[AtomicKitten]

43. This attempt at swift-boating Bernie has FAILED. Nice try, though.

[leftynyc]

45. Right

See you in CA and NJ.

[joshcryer]

40. Sanders "supporters" keep bringing this stupid shit up.

Just like the hack, just like Planned Parenthood, just like John Lewis, etc, etc. They keep dredging up a dead and over issue.

[AtomicKitten]

46. Getting people/organizations to trash-talk Bernie was cynical strategy on Clinton's part.

They were once liberal icons, but proved themselves to be just partisan hacks.

[joshcryer]

50. Those "organizations/people" never trashed him.

It's his fake supporters who lost their shit over stupidity that created that meme.

[AtomicKitten]

53. Uh huh.

[Trajan]

81. Why are you still visible?

The evaluation period is over .. Gone

[joshcryer]

94. Oh good.

[stonecutter357]

154. test

[Adrahil]

23. You mean, Sanders' efforts to subvert the Feb caucus results were thwarted. NT

[kiva]

32. You know, if you all would spend five minutes to learn how the Nevada caucus system work,

you might stop posting idiotic posts.

[Demsrule86]

118. We know how it works

And we know that sending letters giving Hillary delegates the wrong time so you could steal the delegates in April...Sanders lost Nevada and has no right to any delegates... he should quit. He pulled a Cruz.

[itsrobert]

122. Plus 1. n/t

n/t

[RichVRichV]

60. Prove it.

Prove your claim that there was any attempt by Bernie, his campaign, or his supporters to steal delegates in Nevada. There was no stolen delegates by anyone supporting Bernie. Hillary delegates failed to show up and register at the Clark county convention. That is all that happened.



If I keep challenging Hillary supporters on this lie maybe one of you will finally show the evidence that it happened. I'm not holding my breath on it.

[apnu]

123. Subvert is pretty extreme word to use.

Hillary's people didn't get their shit together for the county caucus and didn't show up. Bernie fairly got a few because of that. Then come the state convention, Bernie people couldn't get their shit together and showed up short, swinging the delegates on the floor back to Hillary.

"screwed up" more like, for both.

[Tarc]

27. Yes, they "swiped" a state by winning 52% of the delegates, as chosen by the voters

Y'know, the voters? The people that showed up to actually caucus?

[Octafish]

28. Thank you for the heads-up, Uncle Joe!

The news media are AWOL. They, like many of Hillary's supporters in Nevada, are missing the point of Democracy.

[Uncle Joe]

68. Thank you, Octafish and yes they are AWOL.

Peace to you.

[joshcryer]

39. The convention was called to order at 9:00.

The delegate in question clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.

[Metric System]

66. Salon. LOL. Hillary WON Nevada in February. Some Sanders supporters are upset they weren't able to

overturn the results. I can only imagine the outrage if the reverse was attempted.

[onecaliberal]

70. The sad thing, is she can pull this crap and people will still vote for someone to take their voice

away, that is some shit.

[LonePirate]

79. She can't swipe NV because she won the caucus on February 20. Very dishonest headline there.

[Uncle Joe]

80. Personally I believe it's a weird system in Nevada but Hillary lost the second county stage

when many of her delegates didn't show up.

[JoePhilly]

104. + 1

[Number23]

109. Not only is this piece dishonest but it's some of the most poorly written, overheated melodrama

I've seen in a looooong time. Like, Harlequin Teen Romance worthy.

I started to feel less like a cloud. I felt myself drop back into my body, surrounded by all these bodies yelling “No!”, feeling alive inside my skin.

A hearty round of “Aye”s rose up from the Hillary side of the room, but when it was time for the “Nay” vote, the response was so loud, I felt it shake my every cell, felt it alter my heartbeat.

All of this overwrought melodrama basically says, "the Sanders folks screamed much, MUCH louder. So why didn't we win??!!"

[ucrdem]

130. +1

[seabeyond]

82. No Clinton did not. She won. I am watching Sanders be poor losers.

[highprincipleswork]

84. This sounds completely on the level, unlike the rest of the manufactured bullshit cleverly organized

by the Clinton campaign.

I mean, really, you have so little faith in your candidate that you can't even run free and fair elections?

[CajunBlazer]

98. Yep, its all rigged!!!

The dishonesty is clear - how can Clinton win the caucus and end up with more delegates? Even a small child can see how that can't be right.

[highprincipleswork]

99. This isn't even about that. This is about setting up the rules of the competition and then sticking

to them. That is, if you're honest. If you're dignified. If you want to win. I'll enclose a video for you. Is this the way to run a primary? Is this the way to win? Is this the way to have a unified party?

[CajunBlazer]

102. Who gives a rip?

Your like a guy whose team lost a game 41-14 and he's bitching about a call he claims the ref missed in the third quarter.

If you wanted to prevent something like this happening, you should have made sure all of those Sanders fans at his Nevada rallies actually showed up at the caucuses and voted.

It's just another in a long line of excuses, conspiracy theories, etc.

It easy, your guy lost and what happened in Nevada didn't make a tinkers damn in the final results for the nomination.

GET OVER IT!!!

[highprincipleswork]

106. I'll get over it only when the Democratic Party acts like the Democratic Party again.

[EndElectoral]

101. Thank you for the actual first hand account. Difficult to get the truth heard here anymore.

[RBInMaine]

105. Hillary WON the caucuses and MORE Hillary delegates came to the convention. CASE CLOSED!

[KoKo]

107. Recommend...Thanks! and...

Where Bernie goes the Corruption is Revealed! A Vast Trail of Corruption to be dealt with is what we will be able to work against if it comes down to Hillary or Trump.

The Investigations of the corrupt Voting Practices of States will be for the Future with "Bernie Movement that will NOT Die but be Revitalized with the information that Bernie's Campaign has Cataloged and Curated during his Run in 2016.

Lots for us Lefty Progressives to Reveal whether it's Trump or Hillary...or if Hillary goes down over "Private Server" and Bernie can manage to WIN based on those who voted for him and our Dems finally having to Wake Up!

[Duppers]

110. K & R

Excellent accounting of what happened.


Thank you, Uncle Joe!

[Demsrule86]

113. Bernie lost Nevada

If anyone was trying to steal delegates it was Bernie supporters...I for one am sick of all of you.

[panader0]

115. Rec 100!

[anigbrowl]

120. It's her first election season in Nevada...

...that doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in her observations since she has no point of comparison with previous election seasons there. Quite interesting anecdotes but a rookie's judgment is necessarily questionable.

[snowy owl]

128. So you're judging her ability to perceive what she heard and saw?

Stupid comment.

[ucrdem]

129. This story has a familiar ring. nt

[ucrdem]

133. She basically admits to cheating on behalf of Sanders, no?

She wasn't a delegate yet took part in a voice vote:

My son and I jumped to our feet as well, added our voices to the chorus. It felt good.

And I don't see any impropriety on the part of the chair in this account.

[Gothmog]

134. Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded

Here is some fact checking on this issue http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Supporters of Sanders believed that the convention rules, which have been largely the same since 2008, gave an unfair amount of power to Lange, the convention chair. The rules specifically lay out that all convention votes must be done by voice vote, and that only the convention chair can declare the winner or call for a more specific method of voting among the thousands of delegates.

The rules, which can be read here, also state that any amendment attempts must be approved by two-thirds of the convention delegates — which would be difficult given the nearly even number of Clinton and Sanders backers present.

Sanders backers say the continuing nature of the presidential primary necessitated more rule changes.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. In a previous statement, the campaign detailed several allegations of misconduct from the state party, which we considered as part of this fact-check. "At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place," the campaign said in that statement.

However, there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers — the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns.

The first major fight happened in the morning, with the convention being gaveled in nearly 40 minutes after the scheduled 9 a.m. start time.

In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentials report showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.

Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yeas," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room.

And trying to determine the outcome of a voice vote from a video of around 3,000 delegates is somewhat arbitrary to begin with. The only person with authority to call for a different voting mechanism is the convention chair: Lange.....

Our ruling

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."

Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures don’t reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.

But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevada’s state Democratic Convention can’t change the simple fact that Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.

[ucrdem]

135. Politifact: "We rate this claim False."

Welp, there goes the Weaver narrative. Basically what we're left with are unhappy campers who got their asses handed to them and then tried to blame the state party. Thanks for finding this!


http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

[think]

141. Politifact completely ignores Executive board member Erin Bilbray's testimony. Enjoy!

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761545822695/

Her father, James Bilbray, a Hillary supporter, was so disgusted by what transpired he tore up his ballot.

James Bilbray

~snip~

Bilbray practiced law and was deputy district attorney of Clark County, Nevada, from 1965 to 1967. He was then chief legal counsel in the Clark County juvenile court from 1967 to 1968 and was an alternate municipal judge in Las Vegas from 1978 to 1980. He became licensed to practice law before the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Control Board in 1970. A Democrat, he ran for the United States House of Representatives in 1972 against conservative incumbent Walter Baring, a fellow Democrat who was disliked by his party's establishment. Bilbray won the primary and was expected to win the general election, but Baring surprised him by endorsing the Republican nominee, David Towell, who upset Bilbray in a close race. Bilbray made a comeback in 1980 when he was elected to the Nevada State Senate, where he served from 1981 to 1987, and also became chairman of the Taxation Committee and a member of the Judiciary Committee. He successfully ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in 1986 for the seat being vacated by Harry Reid, who made a successful run for the U.S. Senate in the same election. He served as chairman of the Small Business Subcommittee on Taxation, Tourism and Procurement and was also a member of the Foreign Affairs, Armed Services and Intelligence committees.

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bilbray

[ucrdem]

142. Okay, someone is quoted as saying her father tore up a ballot. And ... ?

Maybe he was fed up with the Sanders crowd? It sounds from above like they were kind of rude, doesn't it? But it isn't evidence of anything.

[think]

143. The first link is to Erin giving her account from the floor of the convention

And it discusses how Lange changed the rules after the executive board had voted on them. It also shows Lange refusing to allow a minority report to be read. Enjoy!

[ucrdem]

144. Lange was acting within her purview as chair. The Sanders delegates were simply outvoted.

There's a process and they refused to follow it. Why would anyone want them to run the government?

[think]

145. You didn't watch video and you just dismiss her claims. Got it. Thanks.

[ucrdem]

146. She's a Sanders supporter. Her facebook: "What that means? Bernie won Nevada." No, he didn't. nt

[think]

149. The video is from the convention floor where she is being interviewed with live footage

Of events taking place.

[ucrdem]

151. Oh please. nt

[think]

152. OK. Don't watch the video and ignore an executive board member's claims

I'd expect nothing less from you.

[Agschmid]

138. Yup.

[Agschmid]

139. So this person participated in a voice vote they had no reason to participate in?

[Enthusiast]

140. Kicked and recommended to the Max! nt

[oberliner]

147. The author of this piece is a Code Pink activist

In fact, she is on the senior staff of that organization.

[ucrdem]

150. "Her memoir, The Art of Misdiagnosis . . ."

'nuff said.

[stonecutter357]

155. did we really land on the moon?

[TrueDemVA]

156. Made my decision easier

Bernie or bust. Why reward scum any longer. This primary should be a wake up call to all democrats. The party is against progressive ideas that shaped the party for decades. The party leadership are corporate puppets that hide behind rigged procedures and corrupt state party representatives.

A storm is brewing and is needed to wash these fools out of office.