2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"There were death threats to me, death threats to my husband, death threats to my 5-year old son"
Democratic official slams Sanders response to convention threats as pretty weakHis statement was pretty weak that came out yesterday, and you can say you condemn the violence but until you say youre sorry, until you say what happened in Nevada should not have happened and it was wrong and it was fueled by your senior campaign staff people, then thats an apology and then I think that theres some responsibility is taken, Nevada State Democratic Party Chairwoman Roberta Lange said on CNN.
Ms. Lange said the situation has nothing to do with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who chairs the Democratic National Committee, and everything to do with what happened in Nevada and what has continued to happen to me in the days following the convention.
Actually, the phone calls have escalated, Ms. Lange said. The longer this goes on and the Sanders campaign doesnt take responsibility for what happened in Nevada, I think its going to continue.
I think he should acknowledge that there were death threats to me, that there [were] death threats to my husband, that there [were] death threats to my 5-year-old grandson, that they called my work and tried to ruin like I said, this is my volunteer job being chair, she said.
I have a full-time job where single mothers and people trying to pay off their school loans work, and it hurt our business, she said. People were calling our business so much that they had to unplug the phone.
I think they owe an apology to me and then I can give it to the owner of the business, she said. I mean, I think those kinds of apologies need to happen and I think they need to recognize that this is not laughable these are threats to peoples lives that are very serious.
read: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/nevada-dems-chair-sanders-statement-threats-weak/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And charged appropriately as they should be?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If this happened as claimed; laws were broken. I should think people who make criminal threats (I believe the term is "terroristic threats" would be tracked down and prosecuted.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But Im going to suspect that no actual charges will be filed, for some unfathomable reason.
bvf
(6,604 posts)while someone here and there will duplicate a post that was empty to begin with.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)However, until then, I think its unwise to assume that just because somebody claimed to be a bernie Sanders supporter that they were in fact, by my extremely conservative calculations I figured out that there is a minimum of half a million dollars per American difference in profit to one particular industry difference between two candidates- with the so called leading candidate being so much more profitable the sum just boggles the imagination. Hundreds of trillions of dollars is riding on this election. So, i think dirty tricks are not surprising, even if its nuts to think that profit will materialize, they are trying to lock it in, which is likely to force some kind of catastrophe at some point. Thats what this election is really about, not four years of policy, an allegedly forever set of changes in policy, exceedingly bad policy changes, all for the biggest corporations, that all have a sort of rushed quaity to them like "lets make the worst possible decisions fast and then nail them down through our own feet, because we think we still can"..
Its idiocy.
The kind of money being talked about here will buy all sorts of dirty tricks.
Bargain-basement (i.e., what you might call pro bono, initiative-driven) versions have even appeared right here on DU, I'd bet.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Why does she need Bernie Sanders to protect her? Aren't the police more appropriate?
trueblue2007
(17,202 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)instead of egging them on.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)to protect her own family?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)It certainly seems as if when polled, many people want Bernie's policies a lot more than HRCs.
Should Bernie still drop out then?
Scientific
(314 posts)Do not misunderestimate the evil.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)you worked that conspiracy nut meme into just one more thread. Kudos.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Then we'll know, wont we?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And I fully support prosecuting the people who made the threats.
In the process, we will learn who they are and who they are actually affiliated with, wont we.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And i certainly take this seriously. So yes, Ms. Lange should press charges. In the 21st century it should be relatively easy to figure out who sent those texts and left those messages- if Rolling Stone is to be believed, they found the perps in about all of five minutes.
The Florida marijuana laws that DWS spends so much time defending has their taxpayer money going to full-time monitoring and surveillance of the habits of little old ladies to make sure they dont have a pot plant growing in their basement, so I have to believe we have the law enforcement resources and know-how to track these threat-makers down!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)Salon: Theres too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters.
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Theres too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. I thought liberals were the voice of evidence and reason? My own, 22-year-old, Bernie-loving son regurgitated conservative talking points to me the other day. Hillary and Trump are no different, he said. This is the wet dream of the Trump campaign, to conflate Clinton with an orange buffoon. Hillary has run a good campaign. She is a respected politician with a passionate followingand more votes than my guy. I didnt escape the Fox News echo chamber just to embrace an equally angry liberal version.
I one wrote that the Sanders revolution reminded me of the Ron Paul campaign, a revolution in which I was also deeply enmeshed. Sadly, some Bernie supports would feel right at home at a Paul rally.
Paul is a libertarian-leaning Republican and his supporters were rabid to the point of blindness. They held onto kooky conspiracy theories and an unquenchable rage. Their insistence on purity tore at the foundations of their own ideology. In the end, they hurt no one but themselves. I see too many uncomfortable comparisons between Paul and Sanders supporters. It has become almost a personality cult. Sanders supporters are also in danger of overplaying this moment and doing themselves lasting harm. The Paul movement thought itself invincible, yet whatever happened to that Rand fellow?
The desperation and rage has led to harassment of some super delegates. One supporter was even charged with a felony count of threatening a public servant. We Sanders supporters face a choice about how we will behave. I dont want to look back in ten years and be ashamed of what we did. The behavior of the losing side means something, and there is still a lot of good that can be done if we seize the moment.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/sorry_bernie_i_love_you_but_this_is_over_and_getting_embarrassing
riversedge
(70,174 posts)Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)People that completely ignore facts while embracing conspiracies and BS.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Bernie won quite resoundingly in one primary and Hillary squeaked out out of the other with a 0.5% win - so now it's pour it on extra thick-notice how the claims are revving up exponentially as the days go by?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Oregon however, is still coming in, and looking better and better with each hour. nt
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I think RS has an article about the perps.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It was Berniebro "Haven Monahan", fraternity member, wearing a fedora and a purple gingham shirt. He admitted it in Rolling Stone!
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And then we'll find out if they're the same people quoted in the RS story, or if Rolling Stone is just publishing shit someone made up.
Again.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)They just can't face the truth that this would have grown from the seeds of their own hatred and vitriol. This campaign is no less aggressive than Trump's. I am glad that Bernie lost for I cannot even imagine the levels of violence we would reach if it were Trump versus Sanders.
choie
(4,107 posts)Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)One was totally apologetic.
The other was totally apologetic for the only part of the his text that could be interpreted as a threat (knowledge of her address).
The third was an idiot but was also issued the standard non-apology apology.
Nobody was "gleeful" about his actions, just as nobody was violent at the Nevada convention.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Of course, that would not have the desired effect of casting Sanders as a bully and Clinton as a perpetual victim.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)...anything goes, even in response to death threats against a 5 year-old.
This isn't progressive.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)...not our party's presumptive nominee.
trudyco
(1,258 posts)She expected no fall out from subverting the convention rules?
I'd like to prosecute anybody calling and threatening people, anybody shooting the Sanders campaign HQ and especially anybody who broke into a Sanders employees home and ransacked it (if I got the story right).
But I suspect most of this is just BullSh*t. More of the lets Slander Sanders campaign.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Plus there was no fraud at the NV convention: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/
The shooting at Sanders campaign HQ is indeed lamentable, but it was not perpetrated by Hillary's people, so I don't see the equivalence. To my knowledge it happened months ago and there is an ongoing police investigation.
And no way is any threat to this woman and her family justifiable.
Even if there had been fraud, and even if it could not be proven that these were Bernie supporters, then it would still be Bernie's responsibility to address the issue - more forcefully than he has.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Creating your own FACTS, however, is a different story...
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)You all are making the accusations, you produce the proof.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Rolling Stone had an interview with some of the guys who had been harassing the NV Dem caucus chair. They are proven Bernie supporters. I showed you the Politifact link that documents that there was no voter fraud at the NV caucus.
And in fact you guys are making the accusations, without any evidence.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)by now and charged them. Where are these culprits?
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Maybe the whole juvenile bs is just too much for the cops to sort through.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)are easy to find. The reason they aren't being charged is that this is all concocted. The fact that this concoction is so blatant but so many people believe it should worry you.
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)I wonder how many DUers were involved.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)law enforcement take care of it. If she knows so much, which I don't honestly think there's any evidence of they have the phone numbers. Check them out and have them rounded by the PO-LICE!
It's NOT THAT HARD!!!
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)angrychair
(8,685 posts)So, even if a very small group did some loud bitching, doesn't mean Sanders or any other supporters of Sanders, have any connection to this issue.
All of this is nothing compared to PUMA but I never saw any HRC supporters jumping up and down to condemn them in 2008, here or anywhere else.
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Why not arrest them?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)doesn't make it so. All else to the contrary is just someones sphincter flapping instead of their brain synapses.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I have been saying this for months. We have a hell of a lot of "fake" supporter's here on both sides who only come here to cause problems and divide the board. The problem is as long as the trolls dislike the same candidate, many here are gullible enough to accept them and and go along with their hateful posts. It needs to stop, but it won't till people open their eyes and see the trolls for what they really are, and call them out on their BS.
DU used to be that way, I just wish it would go back to that.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)'nuff said.
TwilightZone
(25,451 posts)I suppose they could be lying.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Has law enforcement contacted any of them? Has a complaint even been filed?
TwilightZone
(25,451 posts)They haven't contacted me yet to fill me in.
Nor do I really expect them to or to make public the conversations they might have. That doesn't really seem their style.
Pretty sure they investigate threats all the time. Pretty sure we hear about maybe 1% of them, if that. Probably not even that.
moriah
(8,311 posts)And so flack is one thing, harassment and threats are crossing a line, and so is calling her day job.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)He could have denounced such behavior at no political cost to himself; I wonder why he didn't.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)I hope those bastards go down.
kiva
(4,373 posts)owe her an apology.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)brought to justice. I tend not to believe her though.
kiva
(4,373 posts)that Bernie owes her an apology. Now that is a temper tantrum.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)minimizing everything they did to cause said dissent.
procon
(15,805 posts)Even when it's truly unwarranted, a good leader recognises the optics of appearing contrite and remorseful, rather than going belligerent and defiant and just tossing out a few meaningless shut-the hell-up words, but that's Sanders MO.
It would have cost him nothing to at least pretend to appear presidential, all magnanimous and concerned, but he took the low road. And incredibility, you lot wanted him acted like a bitter old coot, even at the high price he's had to pay in fighting the continuing blowback that has dogged him ever since, and killing his chances at achieving anything more than a sour grapes notoriety.
kiva
(4,373 posts)to the couple that Wendell Pierce assaulted?
procon
(15,805 posts)Look here, what you omit, either through intent or ignorance, is that Sanders people were attending an official function, party function, a closed politial event where they were authorized and credentialed to attend in their official capacity as his delegates. Does any of that even remotely sound similar to what a drunken individual, who just happened to be a fan of Hillary, did on his own volition as a private citizen who had no association with her campaign whatsoever?
And don't think I missed what you did here. It was a cheap dodge.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Same old same old Hillary.
procon
(15,805 posts)Do you understand what delegates are? Sanders delegates were there as his credentialed representatives, not private individuals, who were authorized by his campaign to act in his behalf and support him and his candidacy.
In what way did Rev Wright ever hold a similar position in representing Obama's campaign?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)She has shown that she can handle those no matter how strongly they are aligned against her.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)The vast vast majority of Sander's supporters are peaceful and nice. Don't believe me? Go to a Sander's rally sometime. Even go wearing a pro-Hillary or pro-Trump shirt. I very much doubt you would be attacked or threatened. Maybe a little heckling is all.
If any individuals did in fact threaten Ms. Lange or her family, they should be identified, arrested, and prosecuted. It's as simple as that. Once that happens, we can publicly identify who they are and who they actually support. But to blanket condemn Bernie supporters or Bernie himself is nonsense. He has never once come out and condoned or promoted violence against any candidate or their supporters.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)You're right, it is not laughable at all. I don't think any one is laughing about this.
Those who issue threats needs to be taken seriously.
They need to get the authorities, and I am curious to see the developments in apprehending them.
This type of harassment needs to stop as it is ineffective, idiotic, and just plain wrong.
I know that her actions has provoked anger, however death threats just makes things worse.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)and the voicemails that have been published are fake. The rolling stone article that tracked down the callers (Bernie supporters) is bullshit. Jezebel also tracked down callers... it's all fake. It's all a conspiracy perpetuated by Brock.
Pathetic. Get a life.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Get some help hater.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)Everything that might in the slightest way cast a Bernie supporter in a bad light is bullshit. The ultra partisanship around these parts is frightening these days.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I'll bet you all of those calling this 'bullshit' and using other excuses not to take it seriously will suddenly start posting "I was hoping he'd just make a full statement on this issue and put it to bed".
Autumn
(45,012 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)...thanks for your concern.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)They only have credibility on that single issue. Riiiight.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)The FBI is part of the vast RW CT and Comey is a RW plant out to get Hillary.
Number23
(24,544 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Autumn
(45,012 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Im pretty curious to see who actually made those threats, myself.
TwilightZone
(25,451 posts)Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Gotta love the chair defense of a bunch of misogynistic dopes.
Oh, before I forget...she was just asking for it.
jillan
(39,451 posts)TwilightZone
(25,451 posts)Anything else I can help you with?
frylock
(34,825 posts)The fact that no chairs were thrown, despite the repeated claims, makes it perfectly reasonable to question any other statements coming from that party.
TimPlo
(443 posts)But then against you have never been under fire in Bosnia getting off a plane either. So you can't understand what it means to have faith in the anointed one.
jillan
(39,451 posts)shot at.
Unfortunately there are a lot of assholes in this world.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)At this point I'd say any claim she makes is just another lie. That's the reputation you earn when you repeatedly lie for an unethical candidate.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)adjacent to my neighbor's waste bin.
I was so very afraid, I didn't accept the carrot cake she baked me on my birthday.
Okay, yeah, I did accept it, and it was delicious.
This has to be the silliest, scooped from the bottom of the barrel, bullshitingest I'm inventing words for it inane plonck worthy doo doo.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)someone offers death threats....help them out, and hope it's really not as bad as you originally thought it would be.
I can't think of one circumstance where that may be bad advice...can you?
bvf
(6,604 posts)No topping that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but I do think that one hit the mark !
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)and complaining about as many things as they can possibly find every day.
Seek and ye shall find.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)About "fraud" and there wasn't any anger displayed and all is just fine, no problems.
Sad to see this behavior applauded here.
bvf
(6,604 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts)...these are quotes from a DEMOCRAT.
This is how you respond to this woman receiving death threats?
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Were they throwing chairs when they made those "death threats"?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I hope they catch whoever left these threats.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and minimize this while simultaneously screaming about the ONE Hillary supporter who assaulted a Bernie supporter, but no matter how many calories they burn, this story isn't going away.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so keep it up folks - please the results are incredible
Number23
(24,544 posts)that you keep needing to respond to me lately. Do you not have any friends here or something?
Your comment makes absolutely no sense. And I'm not telling you that as a request for clarification.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and if commenting that the antiBernie media blitz that started monday had little to no effect on voters in Tuesdays primaries is beyond comprehension what else can I say
Number23
(24,544 posts)So yeah, the effect his unhinged campaign and supporters is having on his delegate count right now is pretty freaking obvious. But I guess you can't see that along with user names.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)all who called and they can contact them. And THEY have and the calls don't implicate Sanders Supporters that they know of. He stated that what they found is that most where from unknown and/or younger callers... but no evidence that they said they were Bernie supporters.
No matter, if SHE wants to keeps complaining all she needs to do is track the numbers and have law enforcement handle it. Apparently she seems to want to keep dissing Sanders! She looked like a grown up, so maybe she should act like one.
This seems to be MORE of the type of incident that Boxer pulled. Believe what you want, but she's simply turning more people against Hillary. I don't understand why Clinton and her people don't understand this, they will need his supporters and to this day I've seen very little of a peace offering.
It is what it is...
bvf
(6,604 posts)the Clinton campaign would need a fucking flatbed truck to wheel out an olive branch of the required size.
We're talking a GMO-sized thing, and it ain't gonna happen.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)Lovely folks, really.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)Oh yeah. That would take actual journalists.
bigtree
(85,984 posts)...since Hillary supporters far outnumbered Sanders supporters at the convention.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)it wasn't 2/3. Not rocket science.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)for they do not need another investigation on their hands linking Hillary or the DNC to some negative shit and shenanigans. It's really that simple. They do not want to be found out they are lying and generally making shit up, and an investigation would do just that.