" However these rules are not the ones posted on NV Dems."

[think]

Roberta Lange appears to have changed the rules after the executive board had voted. Class act Roberta:

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Erin Bilbray wrote:
Roberta, Marla & Zach,

The eboard passed the attached election rules by unanimous consent. However these rules are not the ones posted on NV Dems. Please note that the election rules we passed had the eboard filing deadline this Friday, April 29th. The ones posted had the deadline today.

I am sure this is an innocent error. But please make sure we correct it quickly.

Thank you.

Erin Bilbray

https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/bernie-people-be-mad-again-still-forever

Here is Erin Bilbray speaking about the Nevada Convention. Her dad, a Hillary supporter, ripped up his ballot he was so embarrassed:

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/vb.9583477694/10153761545822695/?type=2&theater

Camp Hillary should be ashamed of itself but of course they don't care how they win.

[tonyt53]

1. Bernie lost, fair and square. Passing along false statements does not help your candidate.

Politifact is a good source to show how wrong your link it, as well as your statements.

[That Guy 888]

3. Thank you for "Correct(ing) The Record" n/t

[think]

4. I'll take Erin at her word. The Politifact article completely dismisses her in order to make their

claim.

Erin was brave enough to speak out. Her Dad, a Hillary supporter tore up his ballot he was so embarrassed.

pathetic...

[Recursion]

15. I sure don't, particularly since she was shown to be wrong in the post you linked

She couldn't even remember the date change from a conference call she was on.

[hellofromreddit]

7. Politifact's report doesn't match reality. As a result, they seem like a poor source.

In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentials report showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.

PF just completely ignored the irregularities of that voice vote, presenting it as legitimate. Reading that paragraph by itself makes it seem like the protests from the Sanders delegates was the result of the loss rather than the result of Lange's behavior.

[jillan]

11. Politifact had a blatant error in their assessment but in doing so they provided proof why

so many were upset.

They held their first vote at 9:40, according to Politifact.

The official time the delegates all needed to be present was 10 am, according to the NV Dem Convention Rules.

They were voting while delegates from BOTH sides were still signing in.

Ooopsy.

[MisterP]

2. Capeharting is the older term, but using the term Ralstonning might be appropriate for something

even more egregious

[think]

5. Indeed. He should no longer be considered a journalist. /nt

[MisterP]

9. and the sheer jeering while accidentally revealing he's in the wrong: "we changed the rules

in secret and they couldn't psychically tell! losers!"

[AtomicKitten]

10. Edited.

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I like him. It's clear he didn't do the leg work on this.

He didn't exercise due diligence in the investigative part of reporting of at least part that we know of - the chair-lifting (boo!) thing. I wish he'd done a better job, but I have to give him an attaboy for admitting what he did.

I once called to task a film critic in Santa Cruz for his review of Braveheart. He clearly didn't see it, completely bungling something as fundamental as the plot. He phoned it in.. It's their job not to be lazy.

There's just a handful of investigative journalists today worth their salt, and most are featured @ The Intercept here in SF.

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Okay then. I saw this bit on TRMS posted by Segami here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512018321

I gave Mr. Ralston the benefit of the doubt, and apparently that was incorrect. It appears he indeed let his partisan flag fly. That's a shame, really.

[frazzled]

6. Not according to Politifact

there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers — the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns.

http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Read the whole thing, and be ashamed. The Sanders campaign staff has misled people about this entire affair. It's a whole lot of conspiracy over ... nothing. Nothing even would have been changed about this election even if the Sanders' peoples' amendments had been passed and they had gained the two more delegates.

[think]

8. Erin was ON THE BOARD. She is the one making the claim in the email. Politifact IGNORED her claim

I believe a board member in good standing who is claiming the rules weren't the same.

[Recursion]

13. And Lange points out that she's wrong, and is kind of taken aback

that she was just then raising objections over amendments that were passed on a conference call she participated in.

I mean, that's in the actual email thread from the article you just posted. Did you read it?

[Recursion]

12. So, this is an email exchange in which Bilbray was shown to be wrong

Not sure why you think that helps your case.

Lange points out that the amendments were passed during a conference call.

[nc4bo]

14. That's why we're getting the huge push back. They cheated or are so incompetent

Doing their jobs that the entire election/caucus should be 86'd.