Bernie Sanders Supporter CONFRONTS Vegas Reporter Jon Ralston on Rachel Maddow

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Any doubt that Rachel is carrying water for the Clinton machine......well then, watch her superior reporting effort at exposing the truth........

Rachel Maddow spoke with Jon Ralston about the Democratic Convention in Nevada and then welcomed Angie Morelli, a Bernie Sanders delegate who got right to the point that Jon Ralston failed in his duty as journalist.

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1. Rachel is a shill for Hillary....

....anyone with half a brain will clearly see what's going on here on this video. Truth is the real victim in all of this.

[Jim Lane]

32. SOMEONE didn't like this post. You survived, 2-5.

We've long seen that any criticism of Hillary Clinton is considered "Hillary hating" or denounced as carrying water for the GOP. Now it's gotten to the point that any criticism of anyone who supports Clinton is also unacceptable to the thought police.

Some of them are feverish with anticipation about how DU will look after the convention. I think they're anticipating a mass purge of Sanders supporters, coupled with new rules severely limiting the scope of acceptable discourse. I hope they're wrong.

Here are the results. I was Juror #1.

On Fri May 20, 2016, 09:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Rachel is a shill for Hillary....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2018329

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rachel was a Bernie supporter that change her mind. So now she is a shill! She only has half a brain now. What Democrat on this board is not going under the bus. Stop it!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri May 20, 2016, 10:01 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see anything close to a hide here. On DU, Clinton people criticize public figures who support Sanders (such as Susan Sarandon) and Sanders people criticize public figures who support Clinton (such as Rachel Maddow). The alerter's call to "Stop it!" is inimical to the purpose of a discussion board. Jump into the thread and refute the criticisms if you think they're ill founded.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a Hillary supporter, but I think this is excessive. It's just an opinion.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[pdsimdars]

40. I applaud you juror #1. Glad to know there is some sanity in the jury pool

I have seen WAY too many that are pure nonsense.

Once someone said that Howard Dean had sold out. . .and it was HIDDEN!!

Often I think the jury system is used more for outright censorship than actual monitoring.

Thank you for your sanity.

[OwlinAZ]

51. Howard Dean does

No longer speaks for me.he has denigrated. the progressive Sanders, wing of the Party for months now as has the corporate media as a. wh,ole.
Stay strong and focused, Sanders supporters. Refute the lies of the DLC . and keep your temper and wits about you.
Am traveling and the rest of the world is well aware of what is going on in the media. They've seen Clinton type propaganda in many times and places. Blessings.

[panader0]

2. Damn, I used to have so much respect for her.

Angling for press secretary?

[JaneyVee]

3. Rachel under the bus in 3...2...1...

This is why there will never be a revolution. Purity tests guarantee factioning off forever.

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4. Are you even aware anymore at what nonsense you're posting?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[bvf]

28. No point in explaining

that expectations of balanced journalism != purity tests.

None at all.

Just drag out that dusty old "under the bus" trope for the thousandth time, and "Hey Presto! Look at me, sidestepping the issue!"

Vacancy.

[think]

6. You post without watching the video. You can't even discuss the actual issue. Typical....

[Fast Walker 52]

37. I threw her under the bus long ago

she's really annoying in so many ways, even though she does some good reporting.

[CorporatistNation]

5. AND THE ESTABLISHMENT IDIOTS IN CHARGE REALLY ARE CONFIDENT THAT THEIR ACTIONS WILL

UNIFY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEHIND THIS... ILLEGITIMATE CANDIDATE?

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8. Rachel let the world know she carries water for the Clinton machine

A reporter of her caliber letting the most obvious follow up questions just float right on by........ Unbelievable!

[skylucy]

13. I watched that entire segment on television. Rachel let both her guests have their say. She let the

Bernie delegate talk until the segment was over and she let her have the last word. The other guest didn't even get to counter any of the things the Bernie person said. How in the world can you see that as "carrying water for the Clinton machine"? (Whatever that right wing talking point means...Republicans have been whining about "The Clinton Machine" ever since Bill Clinton proved that you don't have to be filthy rich like Bush to get elected President) Is there anyone anywhere who is pure and perfect enough? What should Rachel have done? Beat the other guest over the head with a chair? Whipped out a "Feel the Bern" sign and waved it around? I have been a fan of Rachel for years and watch her show everyday. Seems to me that she has been very fair to both Hillary and Bernie. This is the Democratic Underground and Rachel Maddow supports Dems and has goes after Republicans with such wit and flair that they absolutely hate her. But that's ok because we Democrats love her.

[fleabiscuit]

15. Stalking is also anti-social, divisive behavior.

Or was this an academic pursuit?

[skylucy]

20. Thank you fleabiscuit. I appreciate your support.

[fleabiscuit]

23. You're welcome. I assumed you would be alerted over there.

You were, but sanity prevailed.

[skylucy]

18. And why are you going into a protected group? I have never set foot into the Bernie Forum. Not once.

This is the general forum. I never said one nasty thing about Bernie in my post. You had to go looking in the Hillary group to see if I was all in for Bernie. Hillary supporters have the right to be here in the DEMOCRATIC underground. You aren't intimidating me with your f word, name calling and bringing my parents into your tirade. Amazing that a post standing up for a good liberal Dem like Rachel set you off. Stop being a bully. If you don't like people standing up for Democrats, then you shouldn't be hanging around here, sir.

[Duckhunter935]

19. Interesting, another April 16 account

It is amazing and so coincidental that many new accounts, old inactive accounts became active at this time in support of Hillary. I am sure it is also a coincidence that the amnesty that affected mostly Hillary supporters was implemented. Same time somebody started to pay posters.

[fleabiscuit]

21. Wait to worry. It won't be all that long before 'amnesty' is replaced with KOS Play. n/t

[skylucy]

22. Are you serious? OMG. You have made my day. Do you really think that I am a Hillary operative?

You think I am getting paid to post here? Wow. I actually am going to take that as a compliment. But, alas, I am not getting paid to post here. Believe it or not, there are people who just support Hillary and nobody has to pay us to do it. i just post here every day because it is a lot more fun than doing the laundry etc.

[anigbrowl]

24. The same people accused me of taking checks from the Oabama campaign in 2008

I've lost count of how many times I've been called a shill this spring. I wish my bank account agreed

[skylucy]

25. Hey anigbrowl! It's a hoot isn't it?

[Stuckinthebush]

36. Don't you know, Lucy?

Anyone who supports Hillary MUST be a plant because what real Dem could resist the brilliance of the light shining from the BS?

[Surya Gayatri]

30. So well said...agree 100%.

[Jim Lane]

31. You completely missed the point of the video.

You assert that Ralston "didn't even get to counter any of the things the Bernie person said." The host of this clip made two points. First, Ralston just sat there smirking, and didn't attempt to defend his so-called journalism. A show like this isn't a third-grade class where you wait to be called on. If Ralston had had any facts to counter the Bernie delegate's first-hand knowledge, he could have piped up and presented them. He didn't.

Second, if Ralston didn't respond, Rachel, in the exercise of journalistic integrity, could and should have put it to him. He'd been called out for inaccurate and biased reporting. He was sitting right there. Why didn't Rachel ask him, "Well, having heard what Ms. Morelli has to say, what's your response?" Failing to press him on this point was a lapse on Rachel's part, but one that dovetailed quite well with her support for Clinton.

[silvershadow]

33. She's been carrying water for the Clinton Machine for some time now. Not sure what all

the ruckus was about here, I just stumbled on this. But that, she has done, and it has been documented all over DU. If you haven't seen it, I don't know how, unless your hides and such are on overdrive.

[pdsimdars]

41. Like many who have sold out, the problem isn't that they don't give some time and say some

nice words. The problem is that every dishonest meme that comes from camp hillary, they get fully behind BEFORE they actually find out what REALLY happened. As was the case here.

Rachel went on her show the other night starting out reporting that CHAIRS WERE THROWN. That is what the DNC and DWS said, so that is what Rachel reported. As Jimmy pointed out, Rachel is not dumb. So how is it that she went on and reported right to the camera, that CHAIRS WERE THROWN?

On the online shows I watch, they looked into it FIRST, and that's when the chants for "where is the video showing this" came from. They did ACTUAL journalism and checked out the claim BEFORE putting their credibility behind it.

Rachel did not do that.

I have seen Rachel in attack mode. She is so smart and can really pursue a lie or when someone is bull sh*tting her. She did not do that here, as Jimmy pointed out. That beautiful, intelligent Bernie supporter, made some very level headed statements, that were bombs as Jimmy pointed out. And Rachel ignored them.

That is what you call BIAS. If you are blind to it, that is no one's fault but your own.

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38. Rachel clearly had her script, and clarifying the incident with Ralston was not on it

At the same time, Rachel get brownie points for seeming to be balanced by having the Bernie supporter on.

[pdsimdars]

42. Yes, I have been appreciating Rachel's effort to give some time to Bernie. She is trying.

Maybe that's all she can do within her restraints.

[MadBadger]

16. STEP AWAY FROM THE CAPS LOCK

[pdsimdars]

43. You made me laugh. Thank you.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Very disappointed in Jon Ralston for letting his partisan flag fly.

I thought he was a better journalist than that.

And, yes, I really do/did like him: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2017650

I hope this isn't a trend for him. We have so few good investigative journalists nowadays.

K&R. Thanks for enlightening me on this subject.

[kiva]

11. I'm embarassed to admit it now,

but when I read what Ralston posted on Sunday morning, I believed it; I hadn't seen any chairs being thrown, but it was a big room with a lot of people so maybe I missed it. I was still angry but felt badly that someone had snapped. I believed Ralston because, despite the old boys network in Las Vegas journalism, I thought he was honest.

Later a friend messaged me to ask if I'd seen any chairs thrown - she was in a different part of the room and hadn't seen it happen either. Short story, I messaged other people who were there, no chair throwage; looked at videos, no throwing. So I finally realized - duh - that Ralston was being dishonest.

By the time he admitted that he wasn't there, my opinion of him had tanked.

[AtomicKitten]

12. It's a life lesson. Glad to know but wish it wasn't so.

Cheers.

[pdsimdars]

44. I know, this campaign has been a real eye opener. Many people I respected, I now see

they weren't really here, didn't really get it. They don't have the whole picture but only mimic it to try to make us believe they know what is happening.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Ralston is toast with his

credibility. He really blew this story. But,then the MSM only wanted something to bash Bernie and they got they piece.

[frylock]

10. Ruschel was right on point. Stuck to the script, just like she's paid to do.

And LOL at mandescension. I wish Jimmy could talk some sense into his friend Frank Coniff.

[silvershadow]

34. It's called protecting your own bread and butter. Ever since she put it together in her own

head, she had a complete change. I remember her being green around the gills for several days and out of sorts. That's what drawing a Comcast paycheck will do for you, especially when your paycheck is measured in the millions.

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. everybody ought to watch this

even though the damage has been done. At least we'll know what time it is.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

26. I saw that segment.

No chair throwing at the Nevada State Democratic Convention. No violence.

Ralston was disappointing.

[ciaobaby]

27. It's been said before - the revolution will not be televised.

[felix_numinous]

29. Like moths to a flame

some people follow power right or wrong.

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39. I stopped watching Maddow after Bernie's win in Michigan

where she spent the first 40 minutes of the show talking about Trump, and then mentioned Bernie's win literally in 10 seconds and was off to another story.

[pdsimdars]

45. I keep commenting that people should email the show and let her know

Don't have to be nasty or anything, but let her know how disappointed you are.
After she opened her show a few nights ago saying that CHAIRS were thrown., I emailed her wondering when she would offer her apology to Bernie and his supporters for putting out that lie before she had looked into it.
I have seen her retract something when she got it wrong a few times in the past and wanted to bring that to her attention.
I do think those things have their effect. I still think she has some conscience so it's good to try to keep her honest.
You can email MSNBC too. I email a number of shows. Don't just complain in here, tell those outlets when you don't like something.

[Aerows]

46. This right here

guarantees a President Trump.

We've all tried our best to tell you that Hillary is a no-go, but it has fallen on deaf ears.

This was a perfect opportunity to elect someone that cares about human beings, that cares about our nation, and that cares about the direction all of us are going toward.

You didn't listen, and we will all get to suffer for it.

[Enthusiast]

47. Kicked and recommended! I am very impressed with Angie Morelli. She has it all!

I hope one day we can vote for her in some capacity.

[okieinpain]

48. Woah, now you folks don't like Rachel maddows

Damn after a while there isn't going to be a world big enough for your hate. Lol.

[procon]

49. They like bloggers who say nice things that soothe delicate feelings.

Everything else is lies, rigged or bought, doncha know!

[okieinpain]

50. Its really getting out of hand. N/t.

[Buzz cook]

52. Information twice removed from reality

The OP is trying to pass of stuff that's filtered through the spin machine.

Why didn't he just post the Maddow show? Because he feels we need to have our hands held by whatever web head is doing the commentary.

Why didn't he link to the original Jon Ralston article on the subject and point out its errors himself? Because that would have been only his ability as a filter of the news and readers could view the original and make up their own minds.

Nope much safer to have multiple filters.