Bernie would be NOWHERE without the DNC.

[JaneyVee]

No access to campaign resources. No access to data. No access to voter rolls. No access to debates. No access to fundraising. Etc etc etc. This was decades of work by the Democratic party, and they handed it all over to a non-Democrat.

The DNC bent over backwards for a candidate who not only wasnt a Democrat, but was also at times hostile towards the Democratic party i.e. suggested a primary challenge to Obama in 2012.

So, when does Bernie return the favor?

[Android3.14]

1. Another Hillogical argument

Folks like you are the reason Hillary will be unable to gain enough independent votes.

[asuhornets]

4. I guess you are that independent vote she won't be getting...

[JaneyVee]

10. Try stopping the insults and have some dialogue.

[Android3.14]

17. Not with the likes of you.

All I have for you is sadness that your spirit is so compromised. Is this where you saw yourself when you graduated high school?

[JaneyVee]

19. Youre the one hurling insults but you think my spirit is compromised?

Physician, heal thyself.

[bvf]

68. Cool transparency page. n/t

[JaneyVee]

71. Derp.

[bvf]

72. Clever as ever.

[JaneyVee]

73. You really said "cool transparency page"!

Like that is relevant to anything.

[bvf]

88. It was damn well relevant in response

to these words of yours, yes; absolutely so:

Youre the one hurling insults but you think my spirit is compromised?
Physician, heal thyself.

Well, doc, whaddaya think?

[bkkyosemite]

75. Calling the kettle ................really JaneyVee

[arikara]

80. You start with flamebait

Then say you want dialogue? Somehow I doubt dialogue is actually your intention.

[asuhornets]

25. for now?....like I said..

[larkrake]

59. Hillary would be no where without Wall Street and the Bushes

[JaneyVee]

63. So clichè, bro. Try harder.

[ThePhilosopher04]

86. It's cliche for a reason. They're usually true.

[asuhornets]

64. that sounds so right-wingish...n/t

[840high]

84. Truth.

[JaneyVee]

5. Obama won without independents or white males.

Also, no one would even know who Bernie is if not for the DNC. Am I right or wrong?

[Android3.14]

9. You neither right nor wrong

You are soulsick.

[JaneyVee]

15. Youre insulting everyone. Perhaps you need a break.

[upaloopa]

31. All along they said Bernie didn't have the name recognition that Hillay had

so he needed the DNC to have many debates.

Now all that is not the case.

In all my years voting since 1968 I have never seen a campaign where convenient facts are invented on the fly like Bernie's campaign.

[AgingAmerican]

49. Yeah, sure he did

[9999dmg]

60. Hillary Clinton is not Obama...

And many people knew who Bernie Sanders was before his bid. Enjoy your symptom.

[larkrake]

61. Indys were less than 10% then, now are 40%, and this disasterous election will make them 80%

then the DNC will be in the same leaky boat the RNC is in

[JaneyVee]

65. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Dem 36%, Ind 31%, Rep 28%.

And among indies, its about evenly split 50/50 left/right.

Did you really think you were going to bullshit me?

#OperationChaos2016

[COLGATE4]

74. it's all they've got. The new motto- Baffle them with bullshit. nt

[asuhornets]

2. I don't think he will..Sanders is acting as if he is entitled.I think he believes Democrats owe him

[seabeyond]

53. He is looking for a coronation, for sure. Nt

[panader0]

3. Hillary would be nowhere without the DNC.

[JaneyVee]

7. Leading every candidate on both sides.

[frylock]

12. Thank you, DNC

[Ohioblue22]

8. Lol

[NanceGreggs]

13. True.

That's why she has taken her responsibilities as a Democrat seriously for decades, has been an active member of the Party, and has helped other Democrats get elected to office.

What has Bernie ever done for Democrats?

[Thinkingabout]

39. Hillary donated $10,000 to Sanders from her fund raising when he ran for Senator.

I would hope he would show kindness.

[NanceGreggs]

43. I'm aware of that.

And what was Bernie's response when asked if he would be donating to down-ticket Democrats?

"We'll see."

Well, "we'll see" how well Bernie fares among Democrats when he returns to the senate. Once HRC is inaugurated, Bernie loses whatever leverage he thinks he has now. I don't think he's going to be greeted with open arms by the Democrats he's referred to as corrupt, corporate whores.

[Thinkingabout]

45. Might be difficult to raise his campaign debt without the same people he is disparaging.

I knew you knew, just added to your comment.

[frylock]

14. Hillary would be nowhere without Bill.

[JaneyVee]

16. Sexist bs.

[frylock]

18. Hillary would not be running for President today if she had not married Bill.

Call it whatever you want.

[JaneyVee]

20. Are you psychic? What are tonights lottery numbers?

If she had not married Bill she would have been president 30 years ago.

[sheshe2]

30. I guess women are only what their husbands say they are.

We are incapable of raising our selves up.

I find the dinosaur gif interesting.

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. I think 'the dinosaur gif' is Eeyore, from Winnie the Pooh

Unless you're talking about something that's nothing to do with this sub-thread ...

[frylock]

34. mffftttttttttttt...

[upaloopa]

32. I can see why Bernie has the White male vote locked up.

[frylock]

33. zzzzzzzzing

[barrow-wight]

36. Typical glass ceiling arguments.

And this kind of attitude is why Bernie is losing.

[frylock]

37. No, it's really not.

Anyone with half a brain knows why he's "losing".

[barrow-wight]

55. Yeah actually. It really is.

And he's losing because he's a terrible candidate.

[frylock]

67. From single digits to all up in Her Majesty's kitchen.

What a terrible campaigner.

[barrow-wight]

77. So terrible she's winning. Lol

[frylock]

79. har har har

With the backing of the entire Democratic Machine. She's toast in November.

[barrow-wight]

81. Are you a betting man?

Because I'd be willing to bet some coin that she's going to win. Out there on social media, people get occasional flak for pushing Bernie or Hillary, but I see people being outright shamed for supporting Trump. There's just no selling him. He's isolated on the extreme right in a way that even Bernie could never be isolated on the extreme left. Trump is just too much of a freak. I don't think he's going to get that many independents. We shall see, I suppose, but I'd be willing to bet this is Hillary's race to lose. It always has been.

[joshcryer]

40. Debatable, she was a rising star.

Arguably she became star struck by Bill's rhetoric and that set her back. Bill has said she's the one who got him elected. If she didn't focus on him but instead tried it the solo way she might have still succeeded.

But you're correct that the barrier for women in politics is higher than for men.

[frylock]

41. A rising star where? At Rose?

[joshcryer]

44. Um, she was president of the college association...

...and was the first in her colleges history to be elected by the student body to speak on their behalf. She got a standing ovation.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141225145440/http://life.time.com/history/hillary-clinton-in-1969-photos-of-a-recent-college-grad/attachment/15_hillary2/

[cali]

98. It's fact.

[cali]

11. Hillary would not have been elected to the Senate in 2000 if she and Bill didn't

Control the DNC. And yeah, being the president's spouse had even more to do with her success. Face it, she isn't a good campaigner. And hill had her corrupt pal payday debbie to help.

[JaneyVee]

21. Woo.

[cali]

24. Facts. Your op is woo

[JaneyVee]

27. No those werent facts. It was literally your opinion.

[Scootaloo]

22. I think Bill Watterson captured you perfectly back in 1994

[JaneyVee]

23. In 1994 I was eating food from restaurant dumpsters.

[cali]

26. Sorry things were that hard for you.

[JaneyVee]

29. What doesnt kill us makes us stronger.

Looking back at my past I wouldnt change a thing.

[cali]

57. Sigh.

[Scootaloo]

28. Been there, done that. 2002-04 for me

It's a big part of why I support Sanders.

[Armstead]

35. No he could have done it on his own - and really made life miserable for the Dems

Sanders has the charisma, politican smarts and drive to have mounted a third party campaign that would have still gotten publicity, support and money on his own.

Sure it would have been uphill -- it has been even with the so-called support of the dems.

But the party establishment did not bring in the crowds, fire up the enthusiasm...etc.

Noooooo...Bernie could have been a Grade A spoiler and possible tipped it against Clinton if he'd run on his own.

The democrats ought to be grateful to him, not the otehr way around.

[NanceGreggs]

50. You're dreaming.

Had Bernie run as a third party candidate, he wouldn't have had the publicity needed to generate donations, which in turn would have meant he couldn't compete.

He kept saying from the start "nobody knows who I am". Who do you think would "know him" without the debates, without the backing of the Dem Party? How many Sunday political shows do you think he would have been invited to appear on as a guy who "nobody knows"?

He's been complaining since day one that the media has "blacked him out" and not given him the attention he needs. Exactly how much media attention do you think he would have gotten WITHOUT the debates, without the fact that he was running on the ticket of one of the two major parties?

He himself admitted that he ran as a Dem because it was the only way he could get any media attention at all.

I only wish the Democrats had told him to screw off when he asked to run on our ticket. But I think that's a lesson that's been learned. It will be a cold day in hell before the Party again opens its doors and its coffers to someone who has done nothing but disparage the party throughout his entire campaign.

[Armstead]

93. Remember Ralph Nader.? Ross Perot? Sanders would have dwarfed that in scale

No he would not have won, but he would have been able to go through November and make enough difference to swing the election from the Dems

[JaneyVee]

54. lolwut?

[Armstead]

100. lolstupidop

[muriel_volestrangler]

94. You shouldn't be grateful to someone just because they didn't ruin everything

That would be an awful way to live life - being pathetically grateful to someone because they didn't make everyone's lives worse. That would be like a spouse saying they're thankful they're not abused.

[Armstead]

97. This thread is claiming the Dems did him a favor by "allowing" him to run...

..as if he had no other options, Well he did, he could have run as a Third Party candidate.


Saying they should be grateful to him for not running in a way that would be more detrimental to the Dems is not a stretch

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. That's the way you've read it; no one else has used the word 'allow' until now

The OP says they have helped him; and I think that's true. Voter lists is a given example, and I think it's pretty undeniable that it helps him.

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. Absent the DNC, he'd the the next president. n/t

[redstateblues]

70. maybe the next President of Burlington College

[AtomicKitten]

42. You sound like my mother. She's into brow-beating too.

Yielding the same reaction from me ...

[JaneyVee]

47. But Bernie has made bashing the DNC a talking point.

I just dont understand how he can play the victim after all theyve done for him.

[KingFlorez]

46. That is true

Had he run as an independent he would not have gotten far. Without DNC resources he would be arguing in a parking lot with Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

[AgingAmerican]

48. Its opposite land

[scscholar]

51. The access to vote roll info is interesting...

since they illegally accessed it. They improperly accessing confidential voter information, and the people that did it were fired.

[morningfog]

52. He has returned the favor as long as the DNC doesn't

shit all over the new converts.

Also, have you forgetter that he has always caucused with the Dems?

[larkrake]

56. You have it backwards,

the DNC would be NOWHERE without Bernie. he has half the dems and most the Indies. If he had run Indy, he would be miles ahead and growing

[muriel_volestrangler]

95. And yet, Hillary has got significantly more votes than him

so it looks like your numbers aren't true.

And I don't think he'd be 'miles ahead' as an Indy; he wouldn't have got the publicity of debates, it'd be far harder to get time and space in the media, and many people who are long-term Dems would be working against him on principle.

[Eric J in MN]

58. The debates would have been a sham if the DNC

...had excluded the candidate polling second.

Regarding voter data, it's a sharing arrangement which benefits both Sanders and the DNC.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. Bernie Sanders is where he is IN SPITE OF the DNC. JFC

[JaneyVee]

66. Explain your logic.

[cherokeeprogressive]

82. Tell me and the rest of the world things are the way they are and can't be changed...

And I will fight you tooth and nail to prove you're wrong.

YOU see the world as US vs THEM. You, vs those who will ALWAYS be part of the lower class. Those are YOUR FUCKING WORDS.

Some people are PIECES, of, SHIT.

[JaneyVee]

96. WTF are you talking about?

First off, us vs. them is Bernie's entire platform. Everyone is the enemy. Purity tests arent very inclusive.

[TheCowsCameHome]

69. Haha. You really write some great fiction.

[SusanCalvin]

76. Partly true.

We'll never know how third party might have worked out.

But "bent over backwards"??

[ContinentalOp]

78. You misspelled NRA

[mhatrw]

83. LOL. The DNC ain't shit. It's the fake Democratic arm of Corporate Oligarchy.

DWS was put in charge to LOSE elections.

And that is one thing she is damn good at.

The Sanders campaign has the better tools, the better fundraising approach, the better message, the better everything.

The DNC is nothing but a corporate slush fund for revolving door Democratic party backstabbers.

[840high]

85. +azillion

[akbacchus_BC]

87. Second that, you are right!

[Gothmog]

89. Agreed

[Jitter65]

90. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished. He will never return the favor. It ain't in him.

He is an evil, grouchy old man trying garner in his last years just a taste of the wealth he says he despises.

[RBInMaine]

91. Damn right!

[apcalc]

101. He'd be somewhere...

But DNC has gained him national exposure...which he said himself btw.