2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNetworks CANCEL Exit Polls In Remaining Primaries! Welcome to The Wild Wild West!!!
I guess that includes California...
So as far as the remaining states go... No Exit polling means that there will be NO COMPARATIVE AVAILABLE TO KEEP THE "COUNTING" HONEST!
Why did the democratic party agree to allow Bernie to run on their ticket? It sure seems it was in 'bad faith'. He owes them nothing. An election and process which repeatedly and consistently has been open to question on a near epic scale (Certainly for a Primary... the "inconsistencies" have been not surprisingly... CONSISTENT...(with all of the vagaries favoring just ONE CANDIDATE!) The public trust in our election process will be more than tainted because of this paradigm.
No Exit polls! So... we just will have to trust... WITHOUT ... THE VERIFY?
Canceling exit polling? It may be a good idea for Hillary (as the vagaries seem to ALWAYS favor her), but when it comes to DEMOCRACY.. NOT SO MUCH...
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/big-networks-cancel-exit-polls-in-remaining-primaries/
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Read the article...
https://johnlaurits.com/2016/05/20/update-the-oregon-primary-strikes-back/
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)A well know reliable source for news...
You might as well post from Truth Out.
What's next? Bernie supporters calling for U.N. election observers for June 7th...lol.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And the reporter probably did more research, too.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)intheflow
(28,464 posts)At least when the media was doing it it had the air of independent legitimacy.
mooseprime
(474 posts)but then i thought, well, when there are red flags it's never made public, and if you mention it you're shouted down as though you just made it up and the subject is in poor taste, and nothing is done about it even when the exit polls are 5x the amount our own state department would allow in any other country. that's been the pattern over and over. if the results are going to be ignored or discounted, why bother?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)in this primary yield ONLY an ILLIGITMATE Nominee of questionable repute... if indeed the shenanigans are allowed to prevail...
reformist2
(9,841 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)That would be just about never. They're in it for the money. Have been about as long as the media has existed.
Yellow journalism ring a bell?
We remember people like Edward R. Murrow because he was an exception even then, and not the rule.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Lemme refresh your memory
Fairness doctrine.
Oh, and the second reason. HITLER, MUSSOLINI and TOJO.
Who destroyed the fairness doctrine and allowed for media monopolies
Reagan started it, but Bill Clinton ended that.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)No one should expect the current media to be a watchdog of anything other than their bottom line.
Believing that exit polls were ever some kind of check-and-balance is misguided, at best. They were nothing but a tool for the networks to declare races early and get a jump on the competition.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but I am not surprised you don't
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)A system of government lacking a FREE and UNBIASED Press is known as .... F*****m!
It certainly is not Democracy!
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)These are the networks we're talking about. Money is everything.
"Canceling exit polling? It may be a good idea for Hillary (as the vagaries seem to ALWAYS favor her), but when it comes to DEMOCRACY.. NOT SO MUCH."
What do the corporations running exit polls have to do with democracy? Exit polls were always their baby and they existed solely to get a jump on the competition, not exist as some kind of check-and-balance. If they were publicly financed and administered, you might have an argument, but they're not.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Making an observation about how the media functions does not mean approval of the same, but that's not good enough for people like you. I bet you blame the weather reporter when it rains too.
JustinL
(722 posts)They exit polled every state, including MT and SD on June 3rd, two weeks after Obama had clinched the pledged delegates.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)GETTIT? TESTING THE VERACITY OF THE ... Election Apparatus... FOR ACCURACY!
BUT WHO THE FUCK GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT ... FUCKING ACCURACY?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Raise some money on kickstartrer, hire a polling company, publish the results. Nobody's stopping you. You'd probably get a great rate right now.
Joob
(1,065 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)At least foreign based operations would not necessarily/automatically have a "dog in the hunt."
msongs
(67,405 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Given your contention and a few others here you just want to say that 18 percent of the people should be just told to shut up! The fact is, neither Hillary OR Bernie will have the required PLEDGED DELEGATES to win the nomination. Supers come in ONLY at the convention. There WILL BE A competitive process for those Super Delegates who... if they are of sound mind and want the Democratic Party to win the Presidency... Will have to acknowledge the realities of Hillary vs Bernie as the nominee of the party vs Donald Trump. They will have to accept accountability for the consequences of their decision.
So yes these 9 upcoming primaries do matter... The INTEGRITY of these elections ... DOES MATTER... So YES EXIT POLLS DO FUCKING MATTER!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)With the Republican primary no longer contested and the Democratic primary over save for the formalities, the networks are not going to waste money doing exit polls. If you want them so bad, pay for them yourself.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Why make it about Bernie. Let's face it, some here don't care how it happens as long as there person win. Others care about a fair and clean process. Go figure!
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)It's a way for competing news networks to get the drop on each other. I think the primary elections are being stolen about as much as I think hordes of undocumented foreigners are voting illegally. All the available evidence suggest that Sanders is simply losing rather than having anything stolen from him.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)In The Sand... otherwise IGNORE THE OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE CANDIDATE THAT THEY SOMEHOW HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE IS... whatever you think she is.... has more delegates... Boy, it certainly was different in 2000 wasn't it... IT mattered then... This is merely expected HYPOCRISY... On a fairly large scale...
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Must be very difficult for you to type with it randomly switching on and off like that. I didn't make it to the end.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)They quit after they decided they didn't want to rock the boat after the 2000 and 2004 elections. What happened there would have required them to use investigative reporters instead of stenographers.
The corporate media in this country totally sucks.
Sorry, I didn't use CAPS to help you out.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)They were very good. Then came Florida 2000 and they got it right. Pssss...Gore won. After that they all hired the Mitofsky group...then came Cuyahooga...pssss they got it right...alas like the News Consortium, paid by all, got it right, Kerry won. Starting to see a pattern?
Or maybe not.
Because of that, a few other things, and this year...don't ask me who I support. Obviously it will be whoever the Central Tabulator thinks I voted for.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)By the Democratic party
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Massive cheating planned
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)They'll probably try to steal enough pledged delegates to give HRC the win BEFORE the Convention, which isn't expected at this point.
How convenient that their planned ratfuck that they carried out at the NV Convention provides a plausible cover story for some switching from Bernie to her.
apnu
(8,756 posts)The state is huge and densely packed. The cost must be crazy to exit poll California.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)I wouldn't spend money to poll those that still vote the old fashioned way. It would likely be skewed anyway, given the demographics of the people who chose to go to the polls and vote.
apnu
(8,756 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)Everyone but Bernies most ardent supporters already realizes that this game is over.
polly7
(20,582 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)THE INSIDERS! Roberta... SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF...
barrow-wight
(744 posts)And, reading the text above, and if this person is even telling the truth, it looked like the leaders of each team were allowed to scrub. Wouldn't that include Bernie team leaders as well?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)They will talk about them for hours on the air. They will talk about what the results mean going forward for the general elections, the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates etc. Exit polls allow analysts to discuss where candidates over and under performed and why among other things.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)I think most people will think it's a waste of time since Hillary is guaranteed the nomination.
chillfactor
(7,575 posts)I hate the exit polls...the networks run the same ones non-stop.
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bjo59
(1,166 posts)be bothered to care about Bill Clinton's deregulation of the media back in 1996. It was a coup of epic proportions to end up with 6 mega corporations owning 90% or more of the media in this country. Six corporations with the power to create the perceived reality of a country the size of the United States? Epic. Maybe there are too many people in this country who find democracy to be just too exhausting and anxiety producing and, thus, would prefer that the hyper rich take care of everything. I mean, those rich people must know what they're doing, right? I mean, getting that rich must mean that you're smarter than everyone else, right? Maybe too many people actually don't mind living in the Matrix. Someone on here posted that Bernie's "legacy" will be "sad and pathetic." No, what's sad and pathetic is that the U.S. has become what it has - the biggest for-profit corporation that the world has ever known, spreading death and destruction around the world and poverty and helplessness at home with the single goal of filling its (privatized) coffers with filthy lucre. That's sad and pathetic. The DNC has now stopped doing exit polls, the corporate media has stopped doing exit polls, and the DNC is hosting the national convention with Comcast. When is the UN going to step in and start monitoring our elections? Just pathetic.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Maybe we can get Jimmy Carter to organize some non-biased observers to come here and also do exit polling.
http://www.cartercenter.org/about/contact.html