the next president of the us will be trump or clinton

[rdking647]

thats simple reality.

so you have to ask yourself
who would be better.
theres no debate.. the answer is clinton.
so thats who you vote for.
refusing to vote for clinton helps trump. its that simple.
so unless you are somehow enamored by tht thought of trump stacking the supreme court you vote for clinton. and spend teh next 4 years remaking teh democratic party so a bernie sanders type CAN win in 2020.
but for 2016 you vote for clinton

[peace13]

1. Cut with the threats.

If she's great, tell us why!

[Nonhlanhla]

17. What threat?

The OP just stated the obvious. Trump will be the GOP nominee. Hillary will be the Dem nominee. Those will be the choices. You choose which one of the two will be better, and work towards strengthening the Democratic Party and progressive causes in other areas. It's really that simple.

[SmittynMo]

2. So a bernie sanders type CAN win in 2020?

Guess again. You are really missing a YUGE point here.

[AtomicKitten]

3. Mary Anne Noland made a perhaps better choice.

http://m.richmond.com/obituaries/article_c21b60bc-1153-5abd-b3c8-268cfd32eb57.html?mode=jqm

[Skwmom]

5. Once the Clintons gain total control of the Democratic Party there will be no remaking it.

[HereSince1628]

6. How will Trump stack the supreme court? Look at the Constitution: He only gets to nominate.

SCOTUS can't be stacked by Trump, or for that matter by Clinton alone. He needs help from the Senate.

So the question is, how do we stop the Senate from helping Trump stack it's membership.


And THERE smack in the center of my view is a problem. To stop the SCOTUS stacking, Dems -MUST- control the confirmation process WITH SENATORS.

Now, I vote in a state where we have a good chance of flipping a senate seat in 2016.

BUT

To do that requires that I vote for a Divorced/remarried (to a freak'n ACADEMIC!!!), ethnic Jewish, white guy, who lives in a white suburb and voted to allow guns on trains, read and voted against the PATRIOT ACT and voted against authorization of force in Iraq (mmmm, just like candidate grumpy!) and a guy who -STARTED HIS OWN PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT-back after 2010.

So, to save the Senate and SCOTUS and all the people who depend on that salvation, I'm supposed to support a senate nominee who is just the sort of progressive monster that I'm supposed to see as a threat to the Party and nation when they run for the Presidency.

Whut?

Now if Clinton -wins- the presidency, she'll deserve a Senate she can work with. When I consider that as a priority, I notice that the incumbent Mr Johnson is closer to Clinton on more of the big issues to us guys out in the countryside than Feingold.

Damn!

[apcalc]

8. Right, Trump would get to nominate...

And with the Senate in Republican hands, they would be quick to confirm those he nominates...

[smiley]

7. Supporting Clinton is equal to supporting Trump

She's no better. We're screwed with either one of them.

[apcalc]

9. she's much better....

[smiley]

10. at being worse....

[SidDithers]

14. Oh FFS...

This primary cant end soon enough.

Sid

[rdking647]

16. thats delusional

[Waiting For Everyman]

11. I wouldn't be so sure of that, weird things happen.

Gerald Ford didn't expect to be President, he was House Majority Leader when both President and Vice President ended up being driven out of office.

Some of the 24/7 fortune tellers around here need to give it a rest.

You don't know the future, you just think you do. It doesn't get here till it gets here.

[Karma13612]

12. Yeeeaaaahhhh........NOPE. Eom

[berni_mccoy]

13. It will be Trump. Even if every Bernie Democrat voted for her

She will still lose against Trump. She is energizing unity around Trump and she will lose independents by large margins. Her campaign and the DNC burned the fucking bridge with them.

[apcalc]

20. The demographics do not support that.

[Kip Humphrey]

15. things the OP neglects

1. Hillary is an interventionist; Trump is an isolationist
2. Hillary will put NAFTA/CAFTA Bill in charge of trade deals. Trump is against all of the neoliberal trade deals.
3. Bernie Sanders will win a 3-way race if he stays in. Hillary will lose to Trump:

Here are the GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL results - a national poll taken during April 1-30, 2016:

WHITES: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 28% Trump: 29%
BLACKS: Sanders: 67% Clinton: 60% Trump: 14%
HISPANICS: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 50% Trump: 14%

MILLENNIALS: Sanders: 55% Clinton: 38% Trump: 22%
MEN: Sanders: 53% Clinton: 32% Trump: 28%
WOMEN: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 45% Trump: 16%

CONSERVATIVES: Sanders: 29% Clinton: 26% Trump: 36%
MODERATES: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 37% Trump: 22%
LIBERALS: Sanders: 78% Clinton: 51% Trump: 9%

No college: Sanders: 47% Clinton: 38% Trump: 26%
Some college: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 32% Trump: 23%
Graduated college: Sanders: 62% Clinton: 39% Trump: 21%
Postgraduate work: Sanders: 65% Clinton: 53% Trump: 11%



However, feel free to keep that ostrich position if you feel safer that way.

[rdking647]

18. anyone who thinks bernie would win a 3 way race is living in fantasy land

but then a lot of bernie supporters are living there.

[Nonhlanhla]

19. Carrying water for Trump?

[Kip Humphrey]

21. nope.

[pdsimdars]

22. Who asked you?