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Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:23 AM May 2016

Hillary does not need your vote to win in November

This is the message we are receiving from the Democratic Party.
This is the message being reinforced daily on this page,Facebook,MSM, and by the million dollar Brockalanche of online trolls.
No need to mend fences,attempt to mend fences,acknowledge that the fence is broken,or to even see a fence.
You/they/she doesn't need my support.
She has got this ALL THE WAY without us.
So, go ahead and continue this path/method to Victory because a Party Divided can not Fall(I think I messed that last line up)

Barbara Boxer can wave her finger at me,
tell me that she was terrified for her very life
while Blowing taunting kisses and flipping people off.
The Media can take a still shot of a man picking up a chair and NOT
mention that it was placed back down to the ground without being thrown.

They(MSNBC,CNN) don't need us either.
They can fabricate misogyny and turn the expression of "Corporate Whore"
into a Poll dancing Hillary instead of someone who sells themselves to corporations.

Maddow doesn't need me to watch her show,
Eugene Robinson doesn't need me to read his Shill articles,
and Debbie Wasserman Shultz doesn't need me to contribute to dems,
campaign for dems, or even to remain a Democrat.
They/she don't need me.
She's got this.
They are with her.
Message received

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Hillary does not need your vote to win in November (Original Post) Sky Masterson May 2016 OP
And She Will Not Receive It Either cantbeserious May 2016 #1
THIS nt restorefreedom May 2016 #19
That^ 840high May 2016 #128
Truth. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #143
All of the above ^ Optimism May 2016 #155
^What they all said. TalkingDog May 2016 #159
That's my take on it, too. djean111 May 2016 #2
If she wont ask for our votes why should she get them? SwampG8r May 2016 #3
I think the plan is to have Bernie ask for them. I would do a lot for Bernie. *sigh* Hiraeth May 2016 #41
Me, too, but if he gives me wiggle room, then - again - I'll do closeupready May 2016 #134
I believe he's said as much. greiner3 May 2016 #153
I support Bernie 100% but if he asked me to vote for Clinton, I would not do it. bjo59 May 2016 #151
In fact, the way she treated him and us ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #172
Good post. kayakjohnny May 2016 #4
I don't think she's done being offensive either. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #5
Canceled all the exit polls? SusanCalvin May 2016 #79
Here you go: Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #84
Thanks - don't know how I missed that one. SusanCalvin May 2016 #88
No, I agree, she's really not very smart. closeupready May 2016 #135
Agree. And yes, I've said many times she doesn't think things through. cui bono May 2016 #141
Right there with you. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #173
She won't receive it. frustrated_lefty May 2016 #6
Her Bush donors will come to the rescue. Broward May 2016 #7
I can see this happening, especially in the south. Hiraeth May 2016 #42
The pity is that it's such a fascist, corporate way to look at running a country. ancianita May 2016 #8
We're doomed if she's president. nt Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #174
I don't believe that quote is the whole of her attitude toward Democrats. We need to give her ancianita May 2016 #176
I am still donating money to individual Democrats (not the DNC). gordianot May 2016 #9
I wouldn't suggest that anyone not donate to dems Sky Masterson May 2016 #12
The ones I am donating to are running against old fashioned establishment Republicans. gordianot May 2016 #15
It's kind of late for anyone to get on the ballot in some states. merrily May 2016 #43
The deals used to be done in back rooms at conventions. gordianot May 2016 #67
They're still done in rooms somewhere, only now its years before the election. Still, there are laws merrily May 2016 #69
A Dark Horse is still possible to the Party Convention. gordianot May 2016 #76
Thank you. Sounds interesting. I will google. merrily May 2016 #80
Do you have any insights into #94 and #107? With so many Indian, Chinese, appalachiablue May 2016 #110
I changed to Unaffiliated after decades of supporting the Dem party, RKP5637 May 2016 #53
I donate to candidates I'm pretty sure are progressivs Ferd Berfel May 2016 #70
They've called me again and again - NO is my firm answer, closeupready May 2016 #136
It does not occur to them that many are under the radar edgineered May 2016 #10
The more they tell us to get in line, Merryland May 2016 #52
And yet, as is still seen in this very thread, edgineered May 2016 #103
If Sanders endorses her, I will take that as a betrayal. Nt Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #175
Yes. Demonstrates poor understanding of human nature. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #81
To their credit however, edgineered May 2016 #105
But guess who they'll all blame when she loses. CharlotteVale May 2016 #11
Forgive the shouting, WHO CARES WHO THEY BLAME? merrily May 2016 #39
They can try. But it won't be the truth. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #82
Seemingly the DWS-DNC does not nee a LOT of people... Kip Humphrey May 2016 #13
The new democratic party has no idea what is going on in this country. Many RKP5637 May 2016 #57
Why is it .... yuiyoshida May 2016 #94
True, why is this group missing? It's messed up; the US has many Asians. appalachiablue May 2016 #102
maybe they hope WE will all yuiyoshida May 2016 #104
Just googled 'American Asians Excluded in Election Polls'. There are many links appalachiablue May 2016 #107
You know there is a group.... yuiyoshida May 2016 #108
I know, here's another. Tulsi Gabbard is great too. appalachiablue May 2016 #114
cool beans!! yuiyoshida May 2016 #116
They never include Asians or Native Americans. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #111
ohyeah! yuiyoshida May 2016 #113
Up here, the Natives were almost 100% for Bernie. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #120
I took a walk though San Francisco China town yuiyoshida May 2016 #121
That group also could include Middle Eastern people, as well. Fawke Em May 2016 #131
Poll makers will go crazy yuiyoshida May 2016 #137
You'd think it would be self-explanatory. Fawke Em May 2016 #140
it is a big place ...to park your car!!! yuiyoshida May 2016 #144
The only innocent explination jeff47 May 2016 #157
3 asians.... in California? yuiyoshida May 2016 #161
Well, it was a posterior-generated value.... jeff47 May 2016 #162
They always say, there isn't many of them, why bother... yuiyoshida May 2016 #165
Oh the drama. JoePhilly May 2016 #14
Great technique! Sky Masterson May 2016 #18
Operation Chaos 2016 JaneyVee May 2016 #16
Not at all. Sky Masterson May 2016 #20
How ironic! Remind me when "Bernie 2016 Fuck Yeah" ceased being your long-time sig line? merrily May 2016 #37
Yeah, you pretty much got it there, Sky... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #17
Politifact rates Jeff Weaver's allegations of fraud and misconduct as false. ucrdem May 2016 #21
I rate their rating as False. Sky Masterson May 2016 #23
Believe whatever you like but don't blame the party or the candidate. They didn't deceive you. ucrdem May 2016 #25
Okay. Sky Masterson May 2016 #28
I'll take my own lying eyes and ears for $400, Alex. merrily May 2016 #35
You won on Jeopardy! Sky Masterson May 2016 #51
Whoa! A Hillary supporter agrees with politifact! How impressive is that? merrily May 2016 #31
Do they think we are blind, deaf, and dumb ??? SamKnause May 2016 #27
Have you ever been bullied? If so, how much did the bully care if you disagreed merrily May 2016 #33
Barbara Boxer was visibly bullied and called out her bullies. Do you believe her? ucrdem May 2016 #44
A political officeholder for 33 years can't take shouting? Even while surrounded by security? merrily May 2016 #59
So you don't believe someone who tells you they're being bullied. Okay. nt ucrdem May 2016 #62
I believe own my eyes and ears. Her behavior, body language etc--no fear. merrily May 2016 #66
The "Bully" was Boxer. bvar22 May 2016 #127
Trump at least taught her well greiner3 May 2016 #158
Thanks. SusanCalvin May 2016 #89
My goodness some people booed her! nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #126
Whoa, did I miss something? Middle finger? Literally? SusanCalvin May 2016 #147
Was posted here a frame capture nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #150
IN the age before tv studios in your phone nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #124
Your gloating is perfect. It really sums up what you stand for. rhett o rick May 2016 #148
I have no idea how this will turn out, Baitball Blogger May 2016 #22
And rightfully so pengu May 2016 #26
Perhaps they weren't really progressives at all? BillZBubb May 2016 #64
Oh, dear Dem2 May 2016 #24
Comical Blue_Adept May 2016 #29
That did it! Sky Masterson May 2016 #32
I'm not providing outreach from the HRC side of things Blue_Adept May 2016 #38
You have a right to see things as you do Sky Masterson May 2016 #48
The deceptions and dishonesty of the Democratic Party are REAL Trajan May 2016 #99
I live in Boston. Unless the ghost of merrily May 2016 #30
Don't count on that Blue_Adept May 2016 #40
Yard signs where you live, maybe. Not where I live. merrily May 2016 #54
I'm just east of Worcester Blue_Adept May 2016 #73
The polls in October will probably tell. merrily May 2016 #83
Yup. Sadly, it'll be that long before we get an accurate look of how the state will really go. Blue_Adept May 2016 #90
Trump will win my county. I live in the reddest county of my state. The old white people will come Hiraeth May 2016 #45
Where I grew up will likely be the same, once a staunch democratic region and RKP5637 May 2016 #68
I think a lot of people in my area will not bother to vote especially, if it is bad weather. Hiraeth May 2016 #71
As little as I get out in public, I have heard this as well. SusanCalvin May 2016 #86
The trade agreements did that to a lot of towns. merrily May 2016 #169
I Went To The Grocery Store Yesterday & Saw... This Is REALLY TRUE... ChiciB1 May 2016 #87
I did a lot of canvassing for Bernie and saw more than a few Hillary for Prison yard signs riderinthestorm May 2016 #117
Well, They Must Have Several Forms Of Her Being ChiciB1 May 2016 #146
Or your governors. Fawke Em May 2016 #132
Massachusetts has a history beltanefauve May 2016 #139
When your legislure is over 90% Democratic, nothing happens unless Democrats say so. merrily May 2016 #166
I'm getting the same message. mountain grammy May 2016 #34
It is so damn depressing. In earlier years Trump would have been laughed off the RKP5637 May 2016 #77
And the Volvos we drive are about to be reposessed, Fuddnik May 2016 #36
My volvo is in the shop and I had to spend my 27 dollar donation to fix it. Hiraeth May 2016 #46
Tissue? procon May 2016 #47
I'd rather have a Q-tip Sky Masterson May 2016 #49
And that's good. Because she ain't getting it. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #50
Yep, they don't want my vote Duckhunter935 May 2016 #55
We don't care. Don't vote for her. Just quit whining about it like babies. Trust Buster May 2016 #56
Don't makes excuses if you are not going to vote for Hillary in the fall. hrmjustin May 2016 #58
That's good. Have they decided to just continue manufacturing the votes they need instead? nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #60
Good. Because she ain't getting it. NV Whino May 2016 #61
If you're in a blue state, vote green. rickford66 May 2016 #63
And in a red state. BillZBubb May 2016 #65
have to admit, green is my favorite color. Hiraeth May 2016 #72
Yes, it is "growing" on me too! BillZBubb May 2016 #75
The feeling is mutual. I don't need her as president. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #74
But The Donald Needs Your Inaction Vogon_Glory May 2016 #78
She's got the rigged voting machines Dems to Win May 2016 #85
That's a good point. Trump's a loose cannon, she's not. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #91
THIS is what I'm expecting too dana_b May 2016 #96
They will make sure she wins. They azmom May 2016 #109
She even said as much. yuiyoshida May 2016 #92
We didn't need PUMA of 2008. I do not see we need PUMA of 2016. seabeyond May 2016 #93
The DNC / Democratic party is flying off the rails tabasco May 2016 #95
Hey Tabasco yuiyoshida May 2016 #98
You're very welcome. tabasco May 2016 #112
I am sure I can find it.... yuiyoshida May 2016 #115
Yay for San Fran! tabasco May 2016 #118
yeah its super expensive yuiyoshida May 2016 #119
Message received, and as Obama said to Romney, "Proceed" pdsimdars May 2016 #97
Results... Major Nikon May 2016 #100
I don't really understand the Alert. Sky Masterson May 2016 #123
Then she won't get mine. KPN May 2016 #101
Agree. She doesnt need mine. Katashi_itto May 2016 #106
Her campaign messages have made it crystal felix_numinous May 2016 #122
I wonder if it really matters floppyboo May 2016 #125
Well, if her people can hack the voting machines Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #129
the lesser of two evils is still evil boomer55 May 2016 #130
Absolutely Spot. On. K&R closeupready May 2016 #133
It's a relief to know that, isn't it? Nt lostnfound May 2016 #138
Whew. I can now be relieved of the guilt! Thanks. Nanjeanne May 2016 #142
Madeline Albright libodem May 2016 #145
It's true she doesn't need us. She has it locked up because Trump is so shitty. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #149
Good. Because she's not going to get mine. bigwillq May 2016 #152
K&R EndElectoral May 2016 #154
And she shall not get it! n/t RoccoR5955 May 2016 #156
She was never gonna get it so that's good to know. nt vintx May 2016 #160
Hillary does not need your vote to win in November because... Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #163
Your Hillary-Bernie gif is fantastic! I hope it comes true. reformist2 May 2016 #167
Good to know! DianaForRussFeingold May 2016 #164
K&R emsimon33 May 2016 #168
Fortunate For Her colsohlibgal May 2016 #170
Okay gwashington May 2016 #171
I think she may find out very soon MuseRider May 2016 #177
And if the party keeps saying that, they won't get it. hobbit709 May 2016 #178

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
151. I support Bernie 100% but if he asked me to vote for Clinton, I would not do it.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

Can't vote for anyone who will continue and expand the ultra-violent U.S. regime-change agenda throughout the world. Can't vote for anyone who will sign the TPP into law. Can't vote for anyone who works to sell the country out as a favor to the globalists. No way, no how.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
172. In fact, the way she treated him and us ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:30 AM
May 2016

... I would be disappointed that he asked me to support something so vile.

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
4. Good post.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

Your sentiment is shared by people everywhere.

I see examples each day, of people expressing those thoughts in various ways.

The truth is the truth.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
5. I don't think she's done being offensive either.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

I think we can expect a lot more abuse before the Convention's finished.

(There has been a sudden rules change for the conventions from the DNC and the major media have canceled all exit polls for the remaining primaries.)

The fact is, she really isn't very bright. But I said that before she pulled any of these stunts, just based on her lousy job performance, misstatements, mistakes, and self-inflicted problems. Well here's another self-inflicted problem, a gigantic one. She's making these decisions, so it is ENTIRELY ON HER.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
135. No, I agree, she's really not very smart.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:27 PM
May 2016

I realized that only later after she became Secretary of State.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
141. Agree. And yes, I've said many times she doesn't think things through.
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

And that's a terrible attribute for POTUS. She has no long term plan, doesn't think of the repercussions of what she decides to do right now.

You can see that in her record, her behavior, her campaigns, her lies. I will never support her in any way and it is entirely her own fault.

.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
7. Her Bush donors will come to the rescue.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

That's the more natural fit anyway. Bush donors and supporters have much in common with Hillary's backers.

ancianita

(35,711 posts)
176. I don't believe that quote is the whole of her attitude toward Democrats. We need to give her
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

room to change.

We need to press Berner visions, inclusions, projects, and believe that she's receptive and inspired to claim all these for herself and her presidency.

We need to push against defeatism from the Berner camp.

gordianot

(15,223 posts)
9. I am still donating money to individual Democrats (not the DNC).
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:52 AM
May 2016

One I suspect is a DINO but the last DINO Governor kept the crazy Republicans at bay. There are many names on ballots in 40 years I have voted for one Republican in the 1970's. Even Republicans I know and like do not get my vote. This year after much soul searching one former Independent in Primary got my vote. You can still vote Democratic. I do not vote in categories where there is not a Democratic offering. This year I may have another first.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
12. I wouldn't suggest that anyone not donate to dems
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

People should donate to whomever holds their values and interest at heart.
In the past my votes were straight Democrat. 30 years of straight dem ticket voting.
This is why the message I am receiving from the Dem party confuses me.
Being told to shut up and sit in a corner by the party I have supported all of my life kinda stings a bit.

gordianot

(15,223 posts)
15. The ones I am donating to are running against old fashioned establishment Republicans.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

I suspect the top of the ticket is that post partisan bull shit coming from Democratic leadership. Remember the "No Red State or Blue State Just the United States" speech. Sanders is not going to be the nominee and it could well be someone other than Hillary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. It's kind of late for anyone to get on the ballot in some states.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
May 2016

The Republican Party and the Democratic Party cooperated to freeze out third party candidates as much as they could. I don't know when it happened because they used to pick the nominee at the conventions, around August. Maybe when Perot ran--but that's just a wild guess.

gordianot

(15,223 posts)
67. The deals used to be done in back rooms at conventions.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

The possible scenarios are endless. Say the indictment fairy does show up Hillary stays the first ballot but does not get the nomination. She withdraws her name for second ballot. There is an entire vocabulary used to describe convention shenanigans. Dark Horse stalks the floor.

Hidden in Hillary's emails uncovered by real honest to goodness right wing smear media there is a fascinating exchange by then Secretary Clinton, her Secretary, and various Turkish officials. It seems Turkey was wanting to stop Congressional legislation regarding Turkish Armenian Genocide of 1917-1918 actually calling it Genocide. So guess who opposed this legislation (hedging at various times) and got probably legal money to boot through a third party for their non profit foundation? . It will make a killer attack ad in that a famous German politician 1930's-1940's once asked who remembers the murder of the Armenians? As Republican Obama official recently said "An offline server was not a good idea".

This election anything is possible.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
69. They're still done in rooms somewhere, only now its years before the election. Still, there are laws
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

about getting on the ballot for President and I think the deadline has passed in some states.

By January 4, we should be working to change some of these bullshit, undemocratic laws.

gordianot

(15,223 posts)
76. A Dark Horse is still possible to the Party Convention.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

Both Parties do not have to elect Primary Party Candidates, no one is on the State ballot yet for President of the United States. As much as I like Sanders there is only so far you can go against the machine. I suggest Cicero 79BC pamphlet "How to Win an Election". Cicero would have felt at home this election it works really well for what we see happening.

appalachiablue

(40,994 posts)
110. Do you have any insights into #94 and #107? With so many Indian, Chinese,
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

Japanese, Korean, Pacific Islander and other Asian Americans in the US why is this group not included in polling surveys that I've ever seen. Thanks.

RKP5637

(67,008 posts)
53. I changed to Unaffiliated after decades of supporting the Dem party,
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:48 AM
May 2016

straight dem tickets, significant donations. It felt strange at first, but better as I continued to realize the DNC/DLC/3rd-way/DWS does not represent me. I will vote by the candidate. Times have changed so much. I know I'm not alone, staunch dems for years have done the same.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
70. I donate to candidates I'm pretty sure are progressivs
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

I do not donate to corporate whores.

I can't trust the DNC to care about that distinction, so they don't get a dime.

DOnate directly

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
10. It does not occur to them that many are under the radar
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:55 AM
May 2016

There is no need to be told more than once to stop making waves, to get real, and to stop dreaming; do this now for the good of party unity. Hearing any of it again only strengthens a silent resolve to have no part of it. (this is the one and only time I will say this, yet somehow instead of feeling alone I sense the company of many like minded people)

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
52. The more they tell us to get in line,
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

the more we will tell them to go to hell. I have my candidate,hell or high water, and - even should Bernie "endorse" her - I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
103. And yet, as is still seen in this very thread,
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

those telling us to get in line only continued to use the same approach in trying to convince us of OUR errors. Sometimes the words are changed a little, ie, you better, you're ignorant, it will be your fault, etc, etc.

And just like the inevitable one herself, they truly believe that parsing words and playing semantics is the ultimate solution. It is just a matter of time before we understand what the meaning of is is.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
105. To their credit however,
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

they sure know how to work a machine. It's too bad that machine doesn't have sensors or operate in safe mode. Perhaps machines are people too?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. Forgive the shouting, WHO CARES WHO THEY BLAME?
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

It's all part of the long time effort of the Democratic Party to discredit liberals.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
13. Seemingly the DWS-DNC does not nee a LOT of people...
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

Here are the GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL results - a national poll taken during April 1-30, 2016:

WHITES: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 28% Trump: 29%
BLACKS: Sanders: 67% Clinton: 60% Trump: 14%
HISPANICS: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 50% Trump: 14%

MILLENNIALS: Sanders: 55% Clinton: 38% Trump: 22%
MEN: Sanders: 53% Clinton: 32% Trump: 28%
WOMEN: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 45% Trump: 16%

CONSERVATIVES: Sanders: 29% Clinton: 26% Trump: 36%
MODERATES: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 37% Trump: 22%
LIBERALS: Sanders: 78% Clinton: 51% Trump: 9%

No college: Sanders: 47% Clinton: 38% Trump: 26%
Some college: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 32% Trump: 23%
Graduated college: Sanders: 62% Clinton: 39% Trump: 21%
Postgraduate work: Sanders: 65% Clinton: 53% Trump: 11%


RKP5637

(67,008 posts)
57. The new democratic party has no idea what is going on in this country. Many
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

have blinders on and many are corporate shills.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
94. Why is it ....
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

they never include ASIANS? WHY is that?? Its almost like they
do this on purpose.


HELLO!!! WE ARE HERE ... whether you like it or not!!!

appalachiablue

(40,994 posts)
107. Just googled 'American Asians Excluded in Election Polls'. There are many links
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

to articles about Dems. and the GOP trying to attract growing nos. of Asians and Pacific Islanders in the US, also how many are moving towards Bernie this year which I knew. At a glance, I only noticed one link that covered the -why not polled issue-. It's in this Pew link: question, 'Do you survey Asian Americans.' The response says they do, but have limitations because of smaller population percentage and more languages, which is very strange.
How can so many major news organizations, universities and polling companies Not include this category, I've never seen it. Maybe one of the pros around here knows. I'll ask a couple; thanks for noticing it. What an oversight.

A few years ago when news articles were focusing on the major changes in US demographics by 2050, Asians were definitely included. In one article, probably WaPo it stated how many Asians are affluent, educated and are sometimes considered the 'new white' for what that's worth, certainly not the case for all. I wonder if the middle eastern military and terrorist issues esp. since 2001 influence this, although Asians have been in the US hundreds of years before then.

http://www.pewresearch.org/methodology/u-s-survey-research/frequently-asked-questions/

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
120. Up here, the Natives were almost 100% for Bernie.
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

There were caucuses out in some of the villages where Hillary didn't get a single supporter.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
121. I took a walk though San Francisco China town
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Saw lots of Bernie signs. But hey, ....what do ASIANS know,

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
131. That group also could include Middle Eastern people, as well.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

My son can count himself as white/Asian on forms since he's half Palestinian.

I'd like to see that poll, myself.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
137. Poll makers will go crazy
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

trying to figure out, exactly what an Asian is... maybe they need an Asian to tell them, ya think? But would they ever ask us? hell no...

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
140. You'd think it would be self-explanatory.
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Are you from or have a parent from a country in Asia?

But, given how dumb half our media and pollsters seem to be, they probably don't know what countries are in Asia.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
157. The only innocent explination
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

is when they don't get enough of a particular demographic.

If the poll only reaches, say, 3 Asians then they don't have enough of a sample to get a reasonable margin of error.

That may or may not be the cause here.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
162. Well, it was a posterior-generated value....
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

Anyway, if they don't get enough of a particular demographic, they can't get a low enough margin of error to say anything.

Again, they may have that happen here. Or they may not have bothered to pull out Asians as a separate demographic. Or Asians were not giving the demographic story they wanted to tell.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
165. They always say, there isn't many of them, why bother...
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:43 PM
May 2016

or...they don't even think about it... If they came to Los Angeles or San Francisco and did polling they would get plenty of Asians. But you know what? I really think they don't care about that... they are only interested in White or Black opinions and maybe Hispanic sometimes....for all they care, Asians can go back to their Soup Kitchens and cook.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
37. How ironic! Remind me when "Bernie 2016 Fuck Yeah" ceased being your long-time sig line?
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

#BernieLostMe.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
17. Yeah, you pretty much got it there, Sky...
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

However, I have known this for a while, have some time that I can make my presence known in the town of "Brotherly Love"...

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. Politifact rates Jeff Weaver's allegations of fraud and misconduct as false.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:41 AM
May 2016
Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded
May 18th, 2016 at 6:40 p.m.

{snip}

Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.


http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/


Isn't it great to know that there's nothing to be upset about after all?

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
23. I rate their rating as False.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:55 AM
May 2016

I guess all of the video, eyewitness accounts,spoken words from a Hillary Delegate from that convention were just Fig Newtons of my Imagination.
Also, Not Helping.
You can not ignore the broken fence and deem it unbroken.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
25. Believe whatever you like but don't blame the party or the candidate. They didn't deceive you.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

I've seen the same videos and graphics and agree 100% with Politifact.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
28. Okay.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

Barbara terrified for her very life.

Barbara Boxer shaming Bernie Supporters upset with the Process.

The scam of a Caucus.
Maybe we were watching different videos.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. Whoa! A Hillary supporter agrees with politifact! How impressive is that?
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:10 AM
May 2016

I've watched the videos, too, and politifact is dead wrong, which is nothing new. Politifact is often wrong.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. Have you ever been bullied? If so, how much did the bully care if you disagreed
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

and you were in the right to disagree?

I don't know when this board ceased to be about honest discussion, but it wasn't recently.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
66. I believe own my eyes and ears. Her behavior, body language etc--no fear.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

Operation "Discredit him, destroy him and worry about Party unity later."

Barbs Boxer helping out her inlaws.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
127. The "Bully" was Boxer.
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:42 PM
May 2016

She taunted and ridiculed the Sanders crowd, and when the crowd reacted with "Boos", she doubled down with more taunting.
I appeared to me that she was inciting violence.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
89. Thanks.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

No, she did not appear to be in any fear, and there did not appear to be any reason for fear. She was just POed.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
126. My goodness some people booed her!
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

A few clenched fists. I have seen more danger at my local city council meeting. And no, telling people fuck you and showing a middle finger is not the way professionals act, especially when afraid.

Sorry Charlie, those videos blew the narrative. Better luck next time

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
124. IN the age before tv studios in your phone
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

That narrative would fly. These days, a data plan, and a phone did expose their creative scoring

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
148. Your gloating is perfect. It really sums up what you stand for.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

You side with the liars and cheaters and then gloat. We are fighting the Wealthy 1% backed establishment that you revere so deeply. The corrupt culture that favors the Wealthy and you support them. How can one turn their back on those suffering to side with the rich and wealthy? I think it's envy. In any case the arrogance and hubris of the Clinton Campaign reaffirms the need to fight even harder for the elimination of the Wealthy Fat Cats that have co-opted our government.

In any case Bob-Bye to you

Baitball Blogger

(46,532 posts)
22. I have no idea how this will turn out,
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

but I'm pretty damn sure that some progressive media personnel have done permanent damage to themselves. The minute they start questioning Hillary's right-ward decisions they will be pummeled for the support they gave her.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
64. Perhaps they weren't really progressives at all?
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

I can think of a few who never were and now that there is a clear choice, progressive vs. corporatist, they are showing their true colors.

Blue_Adept

(6,381 posts)
29. Comical
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

Really, it is. This is the childishness inherent in so many people in this country. Yes, it's all about you, every bit of it. If you aren't catered to completely, well, screw the rest of us.

Guess we'll just have to make america great again some other way.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
32. That did it!
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:11 AM
May 2016

I now realize that it is all about me and I'm just being stupid.
I like Hillary more already!
I'm just a 50 year old dummy.
I must be.
Outreach noted!

Blue_Adept

(6,381 posts)
38. I'm not providing outreach from the HRC side of things
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

Not my job to convince anyone else of anything. I didn't vote for her in the primary either.

But so much of the complaining has that whole entitlement feeling about it that it's just laughable.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
48. You have a right to see things as you do
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

I have the right to totally disagree with you and I do.
Forgive me for not falling in line.
I've always prided myself at spotting bullshit which is why I stopped listening to right wing radio at 20 because I knew they were lying to me. I don't watch Fox because I see that they are lying to me.
Why the hell should I ignore it in my own party?
Also, I love the word "entitlement"

Reminds me of this.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
99. The deceptions and dishonesty of the Democratic Party are REAL
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

Not imaginary ...

Not comical ...

Our response is NOT childishness ... It's the response of victims suffering from outlandish and outrageous frauds perpetrated against them ..

I'm not laughing one bit ...

And ... Pffft .. just like that ... A fart in the wind ...

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. I live in Boston. Unless the ghost of
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:07 AM
May 2016

Eisenhower or Reagan runs, Massachusetts will go with the Democratic nominee.

No Democrat needs my vote, except MAYBE my state rep.

Blue_Adept

(6,381 posts)
40. Don't count on that
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

There are far more Trump yard signs out there than Bernie and Hillary yard signs put together.

We're a deep blue state but things aren't working the normal cycle this time around. I would not be surprised to see it be a squeaker here simply because it's incredibly rare for a party to hold a onto a third term in a row.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. Yard signs where you live, maybe. Not where I live.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

The polls in October will tell the story. I'd be stunned if Trump is close.

The one time my vote for federal office may have mattered, my candidate lost. That was in the Brown Coakley special election.

Blue_Adept

(6,381 posts)
73. I'm just east of Worcester
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

and everywhere I go through these smaller towns like hopkinton, stow, berlin, etc, there's tons of Trump signs. More so than McCain had at this stage and even closer to the election itself back in 08.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
45. Trump will win my county. I live in the reddest county of my state. The old white people will come
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

out in droves to keep Clinton out. They HATE and DESPISE the Clintons around here. To them, it is not so much as getting Trump in as keeping Clinton OUT.

NAFTA fucked this town so hard.

RKP5637

(67,008 posts)
68. Where I grew up will likely be the same, once a staunch democratic region and
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

very prosperous now fucked over by NAFTA and many Clinton era policies, blue collar and white collar ... now just crap jobs and a Walmart. People working for pennies, some areas in poverty, the once great small towns gone. So, Hillary spouts Bill as her economic adviser because everything he did was so great. I fear the whole area will vote for Trump.


Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
71. I think a lot of people in my area will not bother to vote especially, if it is bad weather.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

But, The Old White People around here WILL vote come Hell or High Water. And they will VOTE for Trump.

My precinct votes at our local volunteer Fire Department, btw

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
86. As little as I get out in public, I have heard this as well.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

Loathing of the Clintons, and especially Hillary. I hear it a lot.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
169. The trade agreements did that to a lot of towns.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

When did union members have to form their own party to try to send a message to Democrats? 1998.

However, I just went to the website. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/working-families-party/422949/

On the home page, a big pic of Bill DeBlasio, who endorsed Hillary. Catch 22, perne in a gyre.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
87. I Went To The Grocery Store Yesterday & Saw... This Is REALLY TRUE...
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

a man wearing a black T-Shirt that had writing on it that said Hillary Clinton Should Be Incarcerated! I don't think I've ever, ever in my life seen a T-Shirt that actually said anything like that and I've been around a VERY LONG TIME!

I've seen many T-Shirts, yard signs, etc., over my lifetime, BUT never that! I almost stopped and asked I'm about it but thought better of it. AND, FWIW I will admit I DO live in a very RED county, but I've seen lots of Bernie bumper stickers and am now seeing some Trump, but so far HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE Hillary bumper sticker.

I live in Florida.

But I have donated to 2 candidates here, only once because I donate monthly to Bernie, but would give them more if I could. But, I A Repub. and this one is Vern Buchanan.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
146. Well, They Must Have Several Forms Of Her Being
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

sent away. Kind of "not so good" I'd say. But I do live in Florida and in a RED county so thought it was more of "that's how it is here!" Guess there's more to the theory of what people must be thinking!

SOOOOOO MANY PEOPLE keep saying over and over IF it's Trump & Clinton this country is about to elected one of there VERY WORST candidates EVER to run for POTUS!

OMG, are we screwed! But, the bright side is that there's this thing called a REVOLUTION AND a MOVEMENT and I finally think we've reached this ridiculous point in our history that brought us THESE TWO so we might FINALLY WAKE The "F" UP!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
132. Or your governors.
Sat May 21, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

I swear, for a blue state, Massachusetts seems to really like Republican governors.

I know Coakley was Hillary-like and lost to the current guy as a result, but where did Romney come from?

beltanefauve

(1,784 posts)
139. Massachusetts has a history
Sat May 21, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

of Dem legislatures combined with Republican governors. William Weld and Frank Sargent are a couple of examples of this. I grew up in Mass, and I think it is a "checks and balances" mentality.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
166. When your legislure is over 90% Democratic, nothing happens unless Democrats say so.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

The Massachusetts legislature routinely overrode over 300 of Romney's vetoes every year--and that's when he was still posing as more liberal than Ted Kennedy--which is what Romney said when he ran against Ted in the 1990s. When he ran for Governor, he did not tell us he was in the process of shape shifting because he wanted to succeed Dimson, who pretty much changed the game for Republican Presidents, even appearing much different from his own Pappy..

In the last primary for Mayor of Boston, we started with, I think, 22 candidates. They had only one primary because 21 of them were Democrats and the 22nd was a far right wing pastor who I thought may not have been playing with a full set. So, of course, the general was Democrat v. Democrat.

Maybe you are okay if a liberal Republican is Governor, when your Mayor and and your entire City Council are Democrats, your entire Congressional delegation is Democratic, your legislature is over 90% Democratic, and your state Supreme Court is the first in the country to declare a right to equal marriage. (Maybe you even think some balance would be good. I don't, but some indies might--and most of our registered voters are indies.)

Besides, Massachusetts has a long tradition of liberal, patrician Republican Governors, dating back to when Republicans actually were the more liberal party by far. (Think Lincoln-Douglas. And much less corrupt. Deval Patrick had zero trouble becoming Governor, though. Then again, David Axelrod ran Patrick's campaign before Axelrod ran Obama's.

Besides, it's not as though New Democrats are that different. For example, Romneycare was the model for Obamacare. Billarycare was the model for Romneycare. HeritageFoundationCare was the model for Billarycare. HeritageFoundationcare was developed because some conservatives in Jackson Hole Wyoming thought Nixoncare was too liberal because it had an employer mandate and no individual mandate. Ta Da.





RKP5637

(67,008 posts)
77. It is so damn depressing. In earlier years Trump would have been laughed off the
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

stage. The rise of Trump shows how desperate millions are in America. The democratic party used to represent millions that will likely be voting for Trump, because his message resonates with them. Trump is a showman and knows how to work the crowds. The DNC/DLC/3rd-Way/DWS IMO are enabling a Trump win in 2016. We're in deep sh** in the US. And "if" Trump wins, the democratic PTB will blame it on Bernie rather than holding a mirror to themselves.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
36. And the Volvos we drive are about to be reposessed,
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

Because what little money we didn't have, we sent to Bernie.

procon

(15,805 posts)
47. Tissue?
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

These self absorbed vanity posts are so fraught with heated emotions and weepy anxieties that they read like a lovelorn teenager's diary.

I can hardly wait for the exciting conclusion.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
49. I'd rather have a Q-tip
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

To clean the ears of those who aren't listening.
Great outreach attempt!
I am after all a 50 year old Drama tweener.
I hate to spoil the ending, but with attitudes and understanding like that: suıʍ dɯnɹʇ

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
50. And that's good. Because she ain't getting it.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

I don't vote for warmongering, inconsistent, venal incompetents.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
56. We don't care. Don't vote for her. Just quit whining about it like babies.
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

Is that too much to ask or is your incredible level of narcissism too much of an obstacle to overcome ?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
58. Don't makes excuses if you are not going to vote for Hillary in the fall.
Sat May 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

You guys are no victims. Your guy lost.

Yes we need your vote but I will not grovel to get it.

Stop making excuses for your candidate's inability to get more delegates and votes than Hillary.

Vogon_Glory

(9,072 posts)
78. But The Donald Needs Your Inaction
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

But the Donald needs your inaction. So if your presidential candidate doesn't get nominated, throw a hissy-fit, sit on your backside, ignore the down-ballot races for national, state, and local Democratic candidates, and give the Donald and the Tea-publicans carte blanche to gut environmental regulations, sell off national parks and national forests to friends, cronies, and campaign donors, gut public education, terminate the ACA, deny women access to birth control, destroy public health, restrict voting rights, and destroy Social Security just to show how ideologically Simon-pure you are.


Or you can put on your big-girl panties and do what you can to make this country a decent place for you and your posterity.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
85. She's got the rigged voting machines
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

It seems clear that the people that rig the voting machines are on Hillary's side, so I expect her to be declared the winner in November. She's the one who will keep the gravy train rolling for the MIC and the 1% as usual, so it makes sense that the Powers That Be will be tilting the scales in every way possible in her favor.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
96. THIS is what I'm expecting too
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

she will take care of TPTB so why would they want/need Trump? And she's willing to look at privatizing SS/Medicare, she really doesn't seem to give a damn about gays, minorities, etc., she loves the MIC and the Prison IC - she's PERFECT in every way for the Neocon corporatocracy!

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
92. She even said as much.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

She doesn't want to or need Sanders voters to win. If that's the case, ...."oopsie, I forgot to vote for President, when I mailed in my ballot!"

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
95. The DNC / Democratic party is flying off the rails
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

The Clintons and their quisling leadership have destroyed the Democratic party.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
98. Hey Tabasco
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

Thanks for teaching me a new word: quising. I had to go look it up!

OH and by the way, love this stuff!

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
112. You're very welcome.
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

I highly recommend Valentina hot sauce as well. (You can get it at Walmart).

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
115. I am sure I can find it....
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

San Francisco doesn't have a WALMART, they refused to let them here in our city for
obvious reasons.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
118. Yay for San Fran!
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

I've been referred for a job there but I have no idea where I would live or if I could afford it.

yuiyoshida

(41,736 posts)
119. yeah its super expensive
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

You would do better in maybe Daly City or perhaps across the bay, near the BART routes, that come into the city. I love the City but I can't afford to move out, nor do I really want to. I tried once to leave, but it was just too difficult to find a place across the bay that was any better price wise.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
97. Message received, and as Obama said to Romney, "Proceed"
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

Also, to the content of what you said, they seriously think they are trying for unity? Unity with whom? If that kind of thing leads to unity in their family, then they have a dysfunctional family.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
100. Results...
Sat May 21, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

On Sat May 21, 2016, 11:44 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary does not need your vote to win in November
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512020204

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

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Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
123. I don't really understand the Alert.
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

I appreciate the fairness of the jurors and the Mods.
This is supposed to be a forum where we talk about the primaries both the good and the bad.
A strong arm will win you a battle but an open hand can win you a friend.
I mean in no way for this to deter those who wish to back Hillary from doing so.
I think they should campaign hard, but campaign smart.
Take the bridge , but don't burn it.
Hillary will never win my heart.
But she may win back my mind.
At least enough of it to stomach voting for her.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
122. Her campaign messages have made it crystal
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

clear from the start she does not intend to represent the left And yet we get this mixed message they are inevitable, resistance is futile, kettled in between her and Trump, ha ha ha.

HRC assumes too much, that Bush stole his way in so can she.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
125. I wonder if it really matters
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:23 PM
May 2016

Either Hillary or the Donald can/will consult Bill.
They are both already digging into his little black book.

I only somewhat jest.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
149. It's true she doesn't need us. She has it locked up because Trump is so shitty.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016

On the bright side that frees people up to vote for whoever the actually want instead of worrying about spoilers candidates and stuff like that.
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
152. Good. Because she's not going to get mine.
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

I will never vote for Trump or Clinton. Both are terrible, imo.

I live in CT, so Hillary will win my state, and that's fine.

I will vote DEMS downticket.

colsohlibgal

(5,274 posts)
170. Fortunate For Her
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:12 PM
May 2016

Oh I will still vote for a woman, one who is a real progressive/populist, Jill Stein....if Bernie indeed cannot defeat Hillary and the DNC and DWS and the MSM.

MuseRider

(34,051 posts)
177. I think she may find out very soon
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

how much she does need our votes and how there is no way after all her lying and arrogance she will have it. Some from the party may go ahead but the Independents will never, most of them, even consider her. Why would they? She is everything they see as wrong.

She may life to regret all of this or perhaps she says it because she knows she can.

Bloody Hands.

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