2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo not blame Hillary primary voters for her general election loss. Put the blame where it belongs.
The Democratic Establishment who did everything they could to rig the process for Hillary.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)There's nobody to blame but the voters. They get to pick. If they want Trump, they'll get all they deserve.
think
(11,641 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The Democratic voters.
Yes the voters can be responsible for who they vote for. We aren't zombies.
lostnfound
(16,178 posts)Or the ones left with no food all day on caucus days?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Who was so dumb there was no food break for a caucus? Thank the Rs for the long lines, but they affect all voters.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th already today?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)It's time to stop this nonsense.
Of course the Democratic establishment preferred Hillary. She's been a Democrat for decades, and has huge influence in the Democratic Party. But that does not mean that a newcomer did not have a chance. We saw that in 2008. Hillary was the establishment candidate then too, and she lost to a newcomer who knew how the primary process worked and ran a super-smart campaign. So it is entirely possible to win even against the person who is seen as the early frontrunner, provided you know what you're doing. Bernie just did not quite manage that this time around, although he did very well. In the end the voters decided. The voters. Not the Democratic Establishment.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)and that we should not be carrying water for the GOP nominee?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I was just adding another point of agreement.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Arneoker
(375 posts)Although the weak minded may try to.
onenote
(42,700 posts)Because no one wins (except Trump) if they stay divided.
Sanders needs the Democratic Establishment to win the General Election. Clinton needs Sanders supporters to win the General Election.
It's not that complicated.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)Next.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)for some Sanders' supporters these days.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)We hate you . . . . now let's be friends.
You don't matter . . . . now let's be friends.
We don't need you . . . . now let's be friends.
You are all bullies and thugs . . . . now let's be friends.
You are sexist . . . . now let's be friends.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)If anything the DNC made it easier for Sanders to win. But the majority of voters didn't want him.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)Arneoker
(375 posts)To respond to the truth like that. You can't really believe that Hillary has gotten 3 million more votes in the primaries (you know, where regular people can vote easily) because of DNC may have screwed up scheduling the debates.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)There will always be the Bernie blackout by the MSM.
Take your blinders off.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)So this is ridiculous.
Arneoker
(375 posts)I'm sure that there will be plenty of people to blame. A lot of the less thoughtful among the Bernie supporters would put it all on her. They don't like to acknowledge that they are responsible for their own vote, and how they use it, or don't use it.
As far the "Establishment" rigging anything, the evidence being presented seems to be scheduling the Democratic debates, voter suppression orchestrated by Republicans that would harm Hillary's voters more than Sanders', and the nuttiest of conspiracy theories.
There is a tiny case with the first, but that is not why Hillary is ahead by 3 million in primary votes, and ahead in PLEDGED delegates, many of which were picked by less democratic caucus states, which the Bernie supports keep saying favor their candidate.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)the DNC is the Clinton Machine. And that was organized by Hillary and Bill.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)She became chair with his blessing.
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imagine2015
(2,054 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)That's where it would belong.