POWER TO THE PEOPLE-SUSPEND THE SUPER DELEGATES NOW!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The candidate with the most pledged delegates at the end of the primary season should be the nominee, whomever he or she is.

[rbixby]

1. I think its a little late to change that this election cycle

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Just let them refrain from voting on the first ballot and respect the will of the primary voters.

They can vote on subsequent ballots.

[reformist2]

31. In Nevada, they did a complete rule change at 9:30, before everyone was even in the room!

[Ferd Berfel]

35. Exactly - Proving that they ARE willing to make radical changes fast,

but only if it helps the right wing corporate crowd.
After all, the right wing corporate crowd are the one's in control at the moment.

They could pass a rule (resolution? what ever) that simply states: SD's cannot vote.
Problem is that "they' won't do that unless they are damned sure that Clinton can still win - without any hassles.

[Skwmom]

2. Not when those superdelegates have been used to discourage Bernie Voters since day one.

[think]

10. Yep. CNN used them in the delegate counts from the get go

[TrueDemVA]

34. Exactly

It is too late for this primary. They are used solely to influence voters. They have been used as a tool to convince voters from day one and have succeeded. It's unfortunate that our party has sold out to the highest bidder.

The democrat party represents the corporate elite and only pays lip service to the people. I'm done with DINOs. No more will I cast a vote for corporate elite scumbags just because they have a D by their name.

[AgerolanAmerican]

3. The time to adopt that position was last year

Adopting it now looks like yet another attempt to rig the system in Clinton's favor.

Scratch that. IS another attempt.

Clearly you don't believe in free and fair elections at all, just whatever advantages your preference at any given moment.

You may have been a democrat since birth but you became something less appealing along the way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. You don't have the moral standing...

You may have been a democrat since birth but you became something less appealing along the way

You don't have the moral standing to lecture me. We can litigate this here. I will not be cowed. I literally rather die.

[AgerolanAmerican]

13. I'll leave it to the audience to be the judge of that

The prosecution points to the date of this thread, and rests.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. DemocratSinceBirth hates democracy so much he humbly submits himself to the rule of the people.

[NCTraveler]

4. Power to the people!!!!

The current system allows outsiders the chance to subvert the will of the voters.

[Armstead]

15. What is an "outsider"? Is that a new voter? Someone who has been energized by a candidate?

Someone who hasn't gone through the Super Secret Democratic Pledge Initiation Ceremony, (a la Animal House)?

[NCTraveler]

20. Outsider.

Someone who didn't win subverting the will of the people. Outsider. Someone outside of the possibility of victory.

Nothing more was meant. It was actually a poor word choice on my part. Still, you should be able to see the point.

[Armstead]

21. Candidate in the Democratic primary who is likely not to get the nomination at this point but...

who is running a campaign to the end, and has gotten somewhere around 40 percent of the vote, give or take, and has a chance of upping that overall percentage with the races that are left.

A lot longer than "outsider" I realize, but....

O'Malley could not break single digits, and he was an "insider." Is Sanders less legitimate as a candidate?

[NCTraveler]

22. +1

Again, considering much of the conversation going on, poor choice of words on my part.

[Baobab]

25. Numerous states have irregularities. The whole primary has been hijacked.

They should be redone. Hillary is pushing trade deals that last forever that are basically a takeover of the planet for corporations like GATS was in 1995, GATS screwed up our health care. Note that when I type that word most people dont see the post.

Hillary lied on healthcare, her plan was a scam to divert us from GATS.

LET THAT FACT BE SEEN.

[firebrand80]

6. The SDs are Bernie's only hope nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. The Super Delegates just need to ratify the popular will, similar to the Electoral College.

Electors are not legally bound in many states but by custom, tradition, and respect for the rule of law they invariably do.

[Thinkingabout]

7. I like the super delegates, they was placed for a purpose and with the experience the GOP had this

year and with the chatter about "taking over the Democratic party", no they need to stay in place to prevent hostile takeovers.

[boston bean]

8. BSers want to change the rules and get rid of superdelegates, but keep the rule

if no one reaches the magic number a floor fight will occur.

Forget it!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I addressed that.

The candidate with the most pledged delegates at the end of the primary season should be the nominee, whomever he or she is.

[boston bean]

12. I get it. But it needs to spelled out exactly what it is they are looking for here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Even if there weren't Super Delegates groups like the...

Even if there weren't Super Delegates groups like the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus would have still endorsed Hillary. Maybe they want people to be atomized and incapable of organizing, hmmm...

[procon]

18. Hey, don't pretend like Sanders didn't know the rules going in.

He wasn't running a smart campaign by ignoring the necessity of getting the SD to endorse him, and for a long time he didn't even try to secure their votes. Now, when it's too late, he's whining that the system he agreed to, is somehow not working in his favor.

He was either very confused or lying to his fans by telling them only the pledged delegates mattered, andnow that its is too late to convince the SD, he's pretending that it's somone else's fault and he isn't to blame for making the stupid decision to ignore the importance of winning over the most SDs. What a fool.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. That might be all true but the Supers are superfluous.

If BS or HRC has the most delegates on 6/15 then he or she should be our nominee.

[procon]

36. Sanders ignored the SDs until it was too late to get their votes.

He didn't make a serious effort to run a national campaign and while he was focused on getting money, and lying to his gullible followers that only the pledged delegates counted, Hillary was working to persuade the SDs to vote for her. Sanders made a huge error by letting Hillary gain most of the SDs, and now that his chickens have come home to roost, it's a bit silly to keep pretending the SD don't matter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I don't know what his game was. Whatever it was he has less votes and less pledged delegates.

[Dem2]

23. I see what you did here

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I really didn't do anything...

The only time the Supers should intervene, if at all, is in an incredibly close race where the popular vote and the pledged delegate vote diverge.

[Dem2]

30. Clearly you are pointing out

That people will be on the side of an issue, depending on whose Ox is being gored ( that a given event will be seen differently depending on the degree to which the viewer’s self-interest is involved. )

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. That is correct. However, honoring the popular vote shouldn't be controversial.

A person needs to check himself if he thinks that it should be.

[Dem2]

33. Clearly

[ChiciB1]

26. SO DO I... Most Of Us Do! n/t

[DCBob]

27. Yes.. lets give Bernie what he wants.

Yesterday he said they were "dumb" so lets get rid of those "dumb" superdelegates and see who wins.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. please see post 24

[CrowCityDem]

28. She will be the nominee. No need to worry about those pesky Supers.

[Recursion]

38. They made a lot more sense when we regularly had 3 or 4 candidates at the convention

The supers could keep somebody with a plurality from winning despite being disliked by the majority of the party. Since they seem to whittle down to two pretty quickly in recent years, it may be time to dump them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. They would make sense in a very close election where the pop vote and pledged delegate count diverge

[Recursion]

40. That's a good point too (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. That would be a tough decision that pits democracy against the rules.

I would reluctantly go with pledged delegates on the rationale that making them the final arbitrar was democratically arrived at.

But it would sting.