I genuinely believe that the only reason Hillary is jumping the gun declaring herself the winner...

[Playinghardball]

...and pushing for Bernie to drop out is because she is afraid of the Superdelegates in July...

Submitted by vinigreti

These are people after all, they are seeing all this unfold like we are. They're seeing the FBI investigation looming, the DNC corruption, the anti Clinton rhetoric coming from the majority of young people, the polls across the board showing Sanders leading against Trump. Videos like her lying for 13 minutes straight are going viral. No matter how compromised these superdelegates are, and how much they feel the need to protect the establishment, at some point enough is enough. After all it happened to her once before.

Campaign mode Hillary's every move is highly calculated, otherwise she wouldn't risk looking like a hypocrite calling for Bernie to pull out at this stage while in 2008 she herself waited till last minute to pull out of the race. She needs to wrap this up as soon as possible, even if it means smearing Bernie and his supporters.

Stay strong everyone! Every day that passes with Bernie still in the race works against her.

[tabasco]

1. I doubt that very much.

The Democratic party has been bought off by the plutocrats. The quisling Clintons have been a large part of that selling out.

[reformist2]

25. True. But the kind of hubris Hillary just displayed often precedes a major humiliation.

You can bet some of "the powers that be" probably don't like that Hillary declared herself inevitable - as if she is in control! Just to put Hillary in her place (she is just a puppet after all), the puppet masters may wish to give her a good scare or two before giving her the nomination.

[Blue_In_AK]

34. Two times during this campaign

that I was completely put off by Hillary was during the one debate where they were discussing whether Israel's response in Gaza was "appropriate," and she just went off on the Palestinians, implying that Israel could NEVER overreact - and that CNN interview the other night where she was all "Oh, I WILL be the nominee." That kind of hubris really turns my stomach. It may indeed be the case that she wins the nomination, and probably will be the way things are stacked, but a little humility would go a long way. It's always "I, I, I, me, me, me" with her.

[pangaia]

56. The woman is tasteless, arrogant and insufferable.

[grasswire]

61. yes, even when talking to coal miners...

....the only things she could think of to say related to her chances in the campaign. No empathy, not even any INTEREST in their lives.

[Trust Buster]

2. And here I was thinking it was her massive vote and delegate lead. Silly her......LOL

[JDPriestly]

3. We all agree that Bernie needs to stay in the race.

Who knows what might happen with all of Hillary's problems?

We need Bernie to stay in the race and to have influence at the Democratic convention.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz should resign. Her bias in the primary has been obvious from the very beginning.

[seabeyond]

4. " jumping the gun declaring herself the winner..." Is because Clinton won.

[NWCorona]

9. I didn't know we had the convention already.

[seabeyond]

17. I am not doing pretend. It is something has demanded from me from day one. Even as a kid

I didn't do pretend. Some people are that way. We won't do it. In life. Period.

[Uncle Joe]

54. You're doing pretend now, Hillary hasn't won enough pledged delegates and the

super-delegates can't vote until the convention.

[seabeyond]

57. No. I am not pretending now.

[Uncle Joe]

59. This is pretend from your post #4.

" jumping the gun declaring herself the winner..." Is because Clinton won."

Hillary hasn't "won" you're stating past tense on an unknown future tense.

[seabeyond]

64. Yes. Clinton has won.

[cui bono]

72. Yes you are pretending.

What have you done with seabeyond??? Is she safe?

.

[grasswire]

62. you are lying to yourself

I hope some day you realize it.

[timmymoff]

74. you are also pretending by considering her the best chance when poll after poll.

shows she has the least chance. Oh well, as stated when she loses in November give yourself a big pat on the back and say I and other Hillary supporters own this loss, we earned it through living the bubble.

[onenote]

5. I genuinely believe

You could not be more mistaken


Show any evidence that any of the superd's are wavering (other than the couple of sanders supers that have switched to Clinton

Your genuine belief doesn't square with the facts.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. When did Hillary push for Bernie to drop out?

Hillary Clinton feels strongly that she's going to win the Democratic nomination, but said it wouldn't be fair for her to call on Bernie Sanders to drop out.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-drop-out-221622#ixzz49J4OqICR
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[NJCher]

7. she doesn't do that herself

for image reasons. She has her surrogates call for him to drop out.


Cher

[Arkansas Granny]

12. Ooh. If that's the case, does that make Bernie responsible

for the words and actions of his surrogates? What's sauce for the goose and all that, ya know.

[NJCher]

39. Nope

that's not how information is handled--not by anyone, be it Bernie or Hillary. This is the world of professional communication.

The whole idea is that it's indirect.


Cher

[NJCher]

8. I think it's a clever way to avoid indictment

She knows her crimes. It would be way better to have leverage as the president than it would be to fight back as Hillary Clinton, unemployed person.

Look at Chris Christie. He played that game as long as he could. Now he's hoping a Trump win might buy him some more time (out of jail).

Don't think it can't happen. Here are governors who served or are serving time:

Rod Blagojevich, Democrat of Illinois.
Edward DiPrete, Republican of Rhode Island.
Edwin Edwards, Democrat of Louisiana.
Arch Moore Jr., Republican of West Virginia.
John Rowland, Republican of Connecticut.
George Ryan, Republican of Illinois.

And we all know what happens if she wins the presidency (doubtful, considering Trump is closing her lead): hearings, resignation.


Cher

[Aerows]

11. My little toe has a better chance of being President of the United States

than Hillary Clinton has.

The conflagration hasn't even started yet - the press is handling her with kid gloves right up until the point where the violation of national security explodes.

You cannot be a President and have such a cavalier attitude toward security. She had such harsh words for whistle blowers, and yet she went out of her way to screw her own self in that regard.

Her campaign is a pricey comedy of damn errors. You couldn't write this stuff.

[redstateblues]

28. And she beat Bernie handily

Bernie Did well until he broke his promise and went negative

[Aerows]

42. I suggest that you

put on a different pair of glasses if that is what you are seeing.

[grasswire]

63. Ya gotta wonder at some point if it is all about some perverted ..

...need for self flagellation. I realize that the risk/reward ratio affects what they do -- the potential reward should they gain the WH is beyond comprehension, almost. The world's largest military at their disposal to reshape the globe, the IMMENSE wealth they would acquire beyond what they already have in their Foundation money laundering operation.

But lord almighty, look what they choose for themselves in the bargain? Constant victimization, paranoia, struggle, brushes with the law, notoriety in the worst way. And now, potential ruination.

The problem for US is that they drag us through it all with them. A societal PTSD ensues.

It's a bit embarrassing for America, innit?

[Aerows]

10. When you burn every bridge you ever had

you end up on a lonely island, and she has no one to blame but herself.

[JoePhilly]

14. Is that why so many SDs support Bernie?

Oh wait ....

[Aerows]

19. Smug isn't a good look

and I guarantee that a shit-ton of Democrats like myself have had a bellyfull of the DNC nonsense.

If you think you can win an election without staunch Democrats, proceed down the path you are walking.

Nader yelling will not affect me in the slightest, but good luck with President Trump.

Remember:

[font size=6 color=maroon] We told you so. [/font]

[JoePhilly]

20. Accurate IS a good look.

Here's an idea, when silly OPs like this one stop, I'll stop dismissing them as such.

The SDs are not flipping. And it's silly to suggest that Hillary is the one Berning bridges when she has more votes, more delegates, and more super delegates.

[Aerows]

22. Accuracy *is* a good look

I suggest you try it.

[JoePhilly]

23. My last response to you was completely accurate.

Meanwhile, you keep hoping for that "I told you so" moment because that looks appropriate on you.

[Aerows]

40. I will hate to say it, JoePhilly

But I will say it in hopes that the folks in this party get it through their thick skulls that you can't just run anybody and expect to beat Republicans, no matter how shitty their candidate is.

Apparently, 2000 taught most of the DNC nothing.

[JoePhilly]

13. SDs aren't flipping. Not happening.

[JaneyVee]

15. Because math.

[demwing]

16. In the race, or out, I support Bernie's political revolution

All Hillary has are her lies. How can someone see her as a liar and still support her?

[jwirr]

18. +1

[redstateblues]

29. His "revolution" is an empty bumper sticker slogan

[senz]

36. His revolution is human beings ready to fight for their rights.

.

[99Forever]

51. I fully recommend you ignore the shitstorm headed the establishments way.

In fact, stick your fingers in your ears and scream LA LA LA LA LA and make it go away.

[morningfog]

76. With over 10 million voters in the primary.

[cui bono]

84. Funny, that's exactly what your posts look like.

Bernie, on the other hand, has tapped into the dissatisfaction of many Americans with the way things are in DC and Wall Street. He has given voice to the disgruntled and has brought together a real movement. He has shown that we do NOT need big money to finance campaigns if you are actually fighting for the people.

What a man of courage and conviction. The revolution is coming. You can't stop it.

.

[procon]

21. More math fail?

C'mon, you're not even convinced yourself if your best argument if to lift someone else's post from [link:http://|Reddit], and just dump it off without comment.


Look. a candidate needs 2,383 votes for the nomination, there are 939 still available. Clinton has 2,293 and she only needs 90 more. Sanders has 1,533, but he must get 850 more to win. Now explain to me why you think Hillary would be "afraid of the Superdelegates"?

Go ask, "vinigreti" for a response. I'll wait.

[Karma13612]

60. stop counting superdelegates for states who haven't voted yet. eom

[hrmjustin]

24. The delegates will not destroy the party by voting fof the second place finisher.

[Aerows]

41. The party is doing a good job

of destroying it all by themselves.

I say that with dread, not malice.

[hrmjustin]

44. Respectfully i disagree.

Elections have winners and losers.

[Aerows]

45. Unfortunately

it's going to be the people this go around.

[hrmjustin]

46. The people voted for Hillary.

[Aerows]

47. Which people?

The people that tinkered with not having enough ballots, shut down polling places so that 4+ million people had only 60 locations to vote at, screwed Democratic voters blatantly in Nevada, bullhorn Bill obstructing people from voting in MA, and Democratic voters are supposed to call that *winning*?

I've always believed that the Democratic party is better than that.

I was wrong.

[hrmjustin]

49. Hillary won Nevada.

Nobody was screwed in Nevada.

Closing polling places was not Hillary's doing or the party's. The gop controls AZ.

What about RI? They closed more than half their polling pkaces. Was the results legit there?

[Aerows]

53. I see things a hell of a lot differently

I have always been an ardent supporter of the Democratic Party, but the shit that has gone on during this primary is testing me mightily.

If a staunch Democrat like myself is pissed off, you had better believe that those who waiver are a hell of a lot madder, and a hell of a lot less likely to show up at the polls.

Those are facts, and I am stating them because I am disgusted with the antics that are turning our party into the DWS-HRC fan club instead of focussing on POLICY.

[cui bono]

82. +1

All they care about is winning. Not one thing more.

.

[cui bono]

73. The superdelegates have already destroyed the party.

1. they are paid lobbyists

2. they are there to ensure a grass roots candidate won't win

3. DWS is an asshole. So she's not a superdelegate but she has destroyed the party by opening up campaign financing to corporate money. So she gets to be on any list about destroying the party.

The Democratic Party is supposed to be the party of the people but the above shows they are not that any longer. The party is broken and this primary has fractured it deeply, most likely beyond repair. There's more independents than Democrats (or GOP), so it wouldn't be surprising for another party to pop up, and after all the corruption and election fraud this time around there are many Democrats that would leave the party and join them.

.

[hrmjustin]

79. The people of the party voted for Hillary.

[cui bono]

81. You did not address one thing I said.

You keep showing yourself to be devoid of substance when all you post about is that Hillary is ahead.

.

[hrmjustin]

83. Whatever your complaints or feelings are the simple fact is she is in first place.

And second place finishers should not expect to win.

[cui bono]

86. But cheaters deserve to?

You continually prove my point. All you care about is winning. You could not be bothered to look at HOW and WHY. Blind followers are the most dangerous thing to our democracy. Congratulations on condoning corrupt elections funded by the 1%.

.

[hrmjustin]

87. Elections have winners and losers.

Claiming theft because your candidate lost is ridiculous.

You want to overturn the will of the voters. That says all i need to know about you.

[cui bono]

88. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Don't let facts and investigations get in the way

Or decertified election results.

Or 120,000 Dems in just one NYC burrough finding out their registrations were switched to Republican.

Keep your head in the sand. Actually, don't. You are accepting corruption and supporting corporations. Please go read about all this stuff and watch some videos of the corruption in action. But take off your blinders first.

.

[hrmjustin]

89. 120,000 in Brooklyn were declared independents not republicans.

And that hurt Hillary even more because more of her areas were targeted than Sanders.

[cui bono]

91. Okay. Thanks for the correction. Same outcome, they were not allowed to vote in the primary.

"her areas". Are you dividing the cities up now too?

What about the election fraud caught on video? What about the bullshit caucus tactics in Iowa? What about the results not being close to exit polls? What about the closed polling places? What about the decertified elections? What about Bill Clinton breaking electioneering laws?

If you really think this is all fine just because your chosen candidate is ahead then you are part of the problem and show yourself not to care about democracy as long as the candidate you picked is ahead.

.

[hrmjustin]

92. Exit polls were wrong in 2008 as well.

In NY the exit polls overweighed upstate. That is why it had Sanders close.

Bill broke no law.

The decertified election in Maryland was about local matters.

[yourpaljoey]

26. I think the game has been fixed so that he cannot win as a Democrat

[PeoViejo]

27. Bernie is going to sweep CA and take the lead.

Hillary Dearest is Toast.

[beachbumbob]

30. She is in fact the presumptive nominee and will close out

With the majority of pledge delegates...nearly all the super delegates...Sanders has lost...nothing changes that

[senz]

35. No. She does not have the numbers. She has not won.

[senz]

31. The OP is TRUE. Hillary is gaming the primary b/c she is afraid.

[senz]

32. She did the SAME THING in 2008. "It will be me." "No I haven't considered" any other possibilty.

[spinbaby]

50. History doesn't repeat itself

But it does rhyme.

I'm amazed at how often I notice echoes of the 2008 primaries:

Obama Boys/Bernie Bros

He can't win the white vote/he can't win the black vote

[Todays_Illusion]

33. I think the DNC Hillary Campaign is worried about a humiliating California vote.

[frylock]

37. That's my take as well.

[snagglepuss]

38. knr

[NanceGreggs]

43. The SDs ...

... are staunch Democratic loyalists with a history of serving the Party. That's why they were appointed as SDs in the first place.

They are also well-versed in politics, and are not going to be persuaded by polls showing an unvetted Bernie Sanders "beating Trump" in November, nor "anti-HRC rhetoric" posted on websites.

It's true that SDs can change their allegiance from HRC to BS at any time. So how many of them have thus far? What do you think they're waiting for? Do you think they're all going to jump up en masse at the convention and yell, "Surprise! We've decided to hand the nomination to the loser!"

"After all it happened to her once before."

Except it didn't. The SDs went with Obama because he had MORE delegates than HRC, and they upheld the will of the people. They didn't hand the nomination to the also-ran, which is what Bernie seems to be expecting them to do now. Good luck with that.

In addition to the above facts, the SDs, party loyalists all, are not about to hand the nomination to a loser who has disparaged the Democrats for decades, and has continued to do so throughout his campaign. I doubt that having your fellow Democrats called self-serving, corrupt whores is sitting well with people who have devoted years of their lives to the Party that is being demeaned.

And then there's the hypocrisy - which BSers keep refusing to address - of Bernie "The Man of the People" Sanders trying to convince SDs to totally ignore the will of the people he touts himself as championing.

[antigop]

48. I think there are several reasons...

1) If Bernie stays in, more and more people hear his message. It's a message the establishment doesn't want people to hear.

2) There is concern over the FBI investigation and civil lawsuits and they have a plan B, just in case. If Bernie stays in, that causes problems for plan B.

3) As mentioned above, they are concerned about California.

4) If Bernie stays in, continues to draw crowds, votes, and delegates, it gives him more leverage.

5) If Bernie and his supporters truly want this "revolution" to be a movement that lasts beyond this primary, he needs to keep that momentum going forward so the movement continues. The establishment wants to stop that momentum.

Ergo, the ever-louder chorus for him to drop out.

[senz]

67. +100 Excellent summarization of the current moment.

Very thorough. All the reasons you give ring true.

Right now we have one courageous 74 year-old man and millions of powerless but determined individuals lined up against the largest accumulation of wealth and power this world has ever seen.

And yes they want to stop him.

[JudyM]

70. ... And if I may add a couple more to your good list...

If she can change the narrative, Bernie's donations will dry up quicker, and also, perhaps more importantly, more of his supporters will stay home on Election Day if they think it's pointless (because so many are so busy that voting can be pretty inconvenient).

[antigop]

71. good additions. Thanks! nt

[barrow-wight]

52. ... is that she is the winner.

[bvf]

75. You'll have to do better than that

if you're aiming for an average of one hidden post per day. Nice progress, though. Really.

[barrow-wight]

90. How on earth is "she is the winner" hide-worthy?

[bvf]

93. You get zero points for reading comprehension.

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[barrow-wight]

94. Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention. :)

[barrow-wight]

96. Whatever.

You kinda come across as white noise with posts like that.

[tirebiter]

55. Ah, the irony

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sanders-camp-flirts-with-going-full-burn-it-down

Now his whole campaign is based on getting the superdelegates - which for most of the campaign he has said constitute the core anti-democratic aspect of the process - to hand him the nomination. Consistency is an overrated commodity in much of life, especially in politics. But you can't make the logic of your arguments so structurally unsound that they collapse under the weight of their own ridiculousness.-Josh Marshall

[grasswire]

58. she does this all the time

It's the same thing that George W. did to Al Gore. A massive effort to frame herself as already the victor, and therefore untouchable.

It's a P.R. effort.

Plus she's trying to stay one step in front of the FBI and has to face the interview soon. She can feel better about herself if she thinks she's untouchable.

[Sheepshank]

65. It's politicking.....nothing more nothing less. Every candidate has declared themselves POTUS.

Every single one of them have used the words, "when I am President..."

Just another manufactured pos statement that means you are desperate to find fault where non exists.

[eastwestdem]

66. Yeah, I've seen the supers totally shifting to Sanders in droves.

I don't know if it's the way talks nice to the party bosses and the DNC, or the friendly phone calls from his supporters.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

68. something is up

or she wouldn't be hurrying

[pdsimdars]

69. The FBI investigation is coming to an end. . they want Bernie out so that when Hillary has to quit

Bernie won't be in the way so they can put whoever THEY want as the nominee. If Bernie is still around, they can't do that, it would cause pandemonium if they put someone else in there.

[Demsrule86]

77. She has nothing to fear

Most super delegates dislike Bernie and would not wish to vote for him...after he spent months bashing the Party and has not lifted a finger to help down ballot races...many are elected after all. They would vote for Bernie if he had more delegates naturally, but he doesn't. The only reason to fear Sanders is if the acts as a spoiler...helping the GOP.

[Waiting For Everyman]

80. I think she's either afraid of the SDs or the FBI, or both.

What's clear is that she and her surrogates are aware of a serious timing problem that we don't know about. I don't buy at all that it's wanting to attack Trump sooner, that's hogwash.

[uponit7771]

85. Only on planet Unicornia is this even a rational