2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Clinton Is So Sure She Will Win, Why Does She Need To Mislead Us About The Popular Vote?
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(99,710 posts)Despite the suspicions of the Sanders supporter, the fact that caucus results are not included in the popular vote tally does not appear to make much of a difference in the final result. Despite overwhelming victories in caucus states such as Washington and Maine, Sanders gains only about 130,000 votes. That means Clinton is ahead by 2.4 million votes, rather than 2.5 million votes. Given rounding and the fact that caucus numbers are only estimates the difference is slight enough that Clintons claim, made before the Wisconsin vote, earns a rare Geppetto Checkmark.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/06/is-hillary-clinton-really-ahead-of-bernie-sanders-by-2-5-million-votes/
She has only increased her op vote lead since the publishing of that article, by approximately 500,000 votes.
Taniel ?@Taniel May 19
2/ We do have estimates for overall turnout & count of precinct delegates candidates win at caucuses. So we can *estimate* raw voting counts
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3/ Clinton's (2-person-vote) lead in the known popular vote is 56.6/43.4. After including these estimates from IA/NV/AK/WA/ME/WY: 56.1/43.9.
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/733374726119247875
Henhouse
(646 posts)Bookmarking....were going to need that for the next few weeks...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Either the findings are essentially accurate or they aren't.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Caucus: Clinton 14,340 - Sanders 19,120
Primary: Clinton 41,819 - Sanders 36,691
One thing Nebraska makes clear ... caucuses are anti-democratic and disenfranchise voters. Both Clinton and Sanders each got more votes in the primary then the total number of votes in the caucus combined.
demwing
(16,916 posts)www.democraticunderground.com/12511531181
onenote
(42,694 posts)Shaun King's analysis is farcical. He seems bothered by the fact that the published popular vote totals don't reflect that there are 7.2 million people living in Washington State and Bernie got more than 70 percent in the caucus there.
Now someone who engaged in critical thinking might ask -- what difference does it make that Washington State has 71 million people. After all, many of them aren't even of voting age and millions more didn't participate in the caucus by choice. And if the total population of the state should somehow be taken into account in figuring popular votes (although that's a bizarre notion), then I guess Clinton should be credit for a lot of the 19.5 million people who live in New York, even though many of them aren't eligible to vote and/or didn't vote.
The reality is that the number of participants in the Washington State caucus was estimated to be 230,000 and Bernie got the support of approximately 72 percent. So it is possible to add a number to the reported popular vote totals. (And after Washington State has its non-binding primary next week, there will be those numbers to consider).
Shaun King could have figured this out. But he's just a propagandist, not someone actually interested in facts.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Now someone who engaged in critical thinking might ask -- what difference does it make that Washington State has 71 million people. After all, many of them aren't even of voting age and millions more didn't participate in the caucus by choice. And if the total population of the state should somehow be taken into account in figuring popular votes (although that's a bizarre notion), then I guess Clinton should be credit for a lot of the 28 million people who live in Texas, even though many of them aren't eligible to vote and/or didn't vote.
BTW, if 08 is any indicator, the WA primary will be a lot closer!
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)you are talking about the caucuses, which had relatively low numbers anyway. Surely, if you are a self-respecting Hillary-hater, can think of some other Benghazi-like attack? I'm disappointed in the opposition today, just not up to par.
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