This message was self-deleted by its author

[Autumn Colors]

This message was self-deleted by its author (Autumn Colors) on Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:06 PM. When the original post in a discussion thread is self-deleted, the entire discussion thread is automatically locked so new replies cannot be posted.

[Duckhunter935]

1. Of course the Hillary supporters do not care

[reformist2]

5. If we found just a few that did care, that could go a long way. Apologies, Mr. Ralston? Ms. DWS???

I'm not holding my breath.

[Duckhunter935]

41. Yah, right, lol

[SCantiGOP]

136. Wow, this changes everything

Guess Bernie will win it all now.

[Duckhunter935]

137. I doubt it

But it is good for the truth to come out and it would be great if the Hillary supporters would acknowledge it and quit posting the outright lies.

[bvar22]

160. I would love to see just ONE Hillary supporter with enough integrity to admit that...

...the Media and the DNC (Wasserman-Schultz) have tilted the field against Bernie.
Just One.

The GOOD NEWS for Bernie supporters and The Movement is that despite everything The Media, The DNC, and the Conservative Party Bosses could do,
Bernie and his supporters have defied all the odds and "Punditry Wisdom", and have held the chosen one to a Dead Heat this election.

Keep the faith.

[litlbilly]

9. the way the ran with this total bullshit tells me they are in full panic mode.

they know CA is going to get it done for Bernie with all the new regs there.

[passiveporcupine]

13. I will never forget how they ran with popegate

that was a dead giveaway to their fear levels.

[litlbilly]

14. everything they do only make Hills numbers go down. Let them keep doing it

[cui bono]

37. Wow. How could I forget mentioning popegate in another post of mine?

That was so weird and ridiculous.



.

[litlbilly]

59. Its not your fault, there are so many things to remember,:)

[jillan]

100. Last nite on twitter there were a ton of tweets slamming Bernie about visiting the Vatican....

still! I almost fell over that they are still butt hurt about that.

[frylock]

22. ++

[demwing]

49. Your Godzilla

Looks like he's brushing off his (her?) shoulders.

Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...

[senz]

72. OMG I hadn't noticed that.

Just like somebody else!

It's wonderful.

[MaeScott]

126. It's the way Brockettes roll.

[Feathery Scout]

39. I'm a Hillary supporter and I care.

Glad the full truth is known.

[Sweet Freedom]

48. Thank you /nt

[Xyzse]

80. Glad to hear it.

It usually is appreciated.

[Scientific]

128. + 1

[nadinbrzezinski]

145. Thanks becuase I care about the truth

[Feathery Scout]

150. ??

Are you connected to NASA?

I worked there for 7 years in Houston!

[nadinbrzezinski]

151. Nope, just a science geek

[Feathery Scout]

154. Oh....ok. Lol.

I left awhile ago. Haven't really kept up too much.

[nadinbrzezinski]

155. I became a fan in Junior HS with the Voyager mission

[Scootaloo]

95. "Hillary Supporters Do Not Care" is the take-away message of this entire primary

[Cobalt Violet]

140. they've got theirs, the hell with everyone else!

Message received loud and clear.

[senz]

144. Could be the most nihilistic campaign ever.

[MaeScott]

127. Hill doesn't need to run her campaign like this...adds to her negatives.

[merrily]

131. Please do not care if they care. The truth is no less true if someone denies it.

[Hortensis]

143. Nope. I don't. We're trying to STOP THE GOP

from destroying everything we as Democrats, liberals, and progressives believe in. I didn't care in the least about a chair that may have been thrown in that melee, just the same as I couldn't care less if Bernie was in one particular photo.

What we know about those that matters:
1. The Sanders NV contingent attempted--and failed--to disrupt the democratic process.
2. They did so on instructions from Sanders' own campaign.
3. Sanders was involved in and supported the civil rights movement.

Btw, at the moment I'm listening to a political phone message telling me I have to vote for Paul Broun, famous for evolution and climate change "lies straight from the pits of Hell," because his opponent supports "establishment" positions. Actually his Republican opponent supports whatever ALEC and the Kochtopus wants, but I thought I'd let any ex- Bernie supporters who might be interested that Paul Broun is their "anti-establishment" man here in our district. Of course, so are the Kochs and his Republican opponent.

[vintx]

3. Lies, lies, and more lies.

Like candidate, like supporters.

[MisterP]

4. English Only! Ralstonning is the new Capeharting

[itsrobert]

6. We saw the video, a deranged Bernie Supporter lifted a chair

over his head threatening violence.



Bernie supporters were very angry because they couldn't overturn the votes of the Nevada Democrats.

[Ilsa]

11. What did he do with the chair? nt

[JoePhilly]

20. Clearly, he's just offering his chair to a woman.

In a very friendly and non-threatening manner.

Such a gentleman.

[itsrobert]

28. +1, the Bernie supporter whipped him up

with their "stolen election" rhetoric without any proof. 58 Bernie delegates didn't even appear to offer proof that they were actual Democrats. The Nevada Democratic Party gave them over a month to provide the proof, but they did not even show up.

[JoePhilly]

33. Yea, but since he didn't actually throw that chair ... its all good!!!

It appears that no one actually threw a chair. Some one almost did. And that got reported as "some one did throw a chair".

But the reality is at that a segment of Bernie supporters became "threatening".

That's just a fact.

And the guy holding the chair over his head is proof of that.

All over 2 delegates.

[senz]

78. No, it got reported as "CHAIRS were thrown."

You know, as in those VIOLENT Bernie supporters trashed the place and threw CHAIRS around.

Doesn't matter that NO Bernie supporter thew a chair. Doesn't matter at all, does it?

Just the way y'all roll.

Proud?

[Dustlawyer]

132. One guy starts to lose it, then others talk him down and he never even throws it.

Wow!

Why was he so angry, that is the real question. It's because of the injustice being perpetrated by a rigged election. There have been so many irregular (all in Hillary's favor) and illegal voting shenanigans in this Primary. The DNC has had their fingers on the scales. The MSM has done their best to keep Bernie down. TPTB have poured millions to drown his message. Establishment politicians all lined up behind Hillary because that's was the quid pro quo to get her big Donor's money in their campaign coffers. It all adds up to why he is not way ahead of a very weak candidate.

Bernie scares the hell out of the ruling class that has controlled EVERYTHING since Reagan. He has had to fight all of the most powerful corporations and Plutocrats in the world while they have given Hillary a huge personal fortune and a ginormous war chest.

Trump was given all of that air time to become the big bogeyman to scare the likes of us into voting for Hillary anyway. The problem with that tactic is that he may beat her. Watch for MSM backing off of Trump fawning after the conventions.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

123. LOL ...nice!

[liberalnarb]

60. If you did any research you would know that the man put the chair down.

And the group hugged it out. I'm serious, look it up.

[itsrobert]

61. Why did it get to that point?

Bernie supporters got angry because their attempt to change the votes of the Nevada Democrats failed.

[liberalnarb]

65. Or maybe it was because of the rule breaking leadership within the party.

The point is, that was the peak of the violence. Nobody was viciously attacked and no chairs were thrown. If there had been chairs thrown, do you honestly think it wouldn't have been all over the media? In this day and age we have cameras everywhere, it would have been picked up immediately.

[liberalnarb]

67. It could have also been because of this

I know I wouldn't take too kindly to being flipped off by a senator.

[vintx]

70. Damn! Is that real?

[liberalnarb]

79. Yes, from another thread :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017374285

[dchill]

81. R U Serious? Seriously?

[senz]

83. Because cheaters gonna cheat. That's why.

Election theft never goes over well. Here, a nice calm explanation:

[itsrobert]

84. The 64 Bernie Delegates were given over a month to prove their Democrat status

6 complied. 58 Bernie Delegates didn't even show up.

They were caught trying to cheat, they knew it, that's why they went "missing".

[Ilsa]

62. So, it wasn't thrown that those people said? NT

[JoePhilly]

135. No, he only threatened to throw it.

As a gentleman would.

[rog]

15. Give it a rest, Bob. Time did not stop ...

... at that frame. The rest of us saw the entire incident, including its resolution. You did too, didn't you?

.r.

[itsrobert]

29. Yeah, typical friendly behavior

While others yell Stolen Election BS.

[rog]

50. Please answer my question, Bob.

You saw the entire incident, did you not? Please tell me the entire sequence of events that happened following this freeze frame you posted.

Thanks in advance, Bob ... I appreciate it.

.r.

[hellofromreddit]

19. And a dozen rational Bernie supporters immediately stopped him.

But that doesn't fit your story line, does it?

[imagine2015]

64. And than sat on it.

And how do you know that's a Bernie supporter?

He appears to be in the Hillary supporters section! See the signs?

[Xyzse]

77. Interesting... I did not see that.

[senz]

73. Still a LIE, buddy. Still a LIE.

Oh but you want that lie to be true sooo badly, you'll keep telling it? Hm?

If ONLY that ripped-off cheated delegate had thrown it, you could say it was ALL Bernie supporters, couldn't you?

Aww too bad ...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

93. Interesting that you talk about video and show a still while claiming proof.

It's a LIE. Do you want to keep being associated with the latest proven lie, or don't you?

[AgingAmerican]

114. The lie has been exposed

Time to let go

[itsrobert]

116. Hug it out

It's over. Sanders lost.

[TexasBushwhacker]

8. Unfortunately you can't unring a bell n/t

[MisterP]

23. "you're still stuck on that?"

Last edited Sat May 21, 2016, 08:42 PM - Edit history (1)

the point is to make the accusations come so thick and fast that each one gets into the news cycle and then there's another nontroversy going by the time it's debunked

[Ilsa]

10. It's too late for the average voter to care.

The liars have set the false narrative into history.

I was visiting with a millenial the other day. He didn't give a shit. Hates the news and only believes 10% of news he hears. Trusts none of the media. Has given up on democracy.

[vintx]

16. "Has given up on democracy."

And why wouldn't he?

Look at this mess in NV. Look at how the media lies, how they catapult the propaganda to maintain the status quo.

[EndElectoral]

12. “A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.” - Terry Pratchett

[reformist2]

21. That phrase is no longer true. With the internet, the truth stamps out the lies instantly.

The only thing that remains is the monopoly that those with money have over the levers of power. We all know they are f-ing liars cheats and crooks, but we haven't yet figured out how to dislodge them from power.

[Jim Lane]

152. That quotation long predates Terry Pratchett.

The exact origin is unclear. Jonathan Swift wrote something along these lines and the wording seems to have evolved from there. Widespread attribution to Mark Twain is probably wrong. See this discussion by Quote Investigator for more detail.

[JaneyVee]

17. eyewitness accounts hold up in court right?

[Lucinda]

25. TY!

[Chan790]

31. Not usually actually.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable and that is increasingly acknowledged by courts.

For example, Zach Zaragosa claims he saw chairs thrown...it can be demonstrably proven that he is incorrect. In all likelihood, the entirety of his testimony would stricken and inadmissible in a court of law.

So, to answer the imputation of your question. No. His account would not hold up in court.
To answer the question you asked. Also no. They usually do not hold up in court.

[Jim Lane]

148. His testimony wouldn't be inadmissible. It would just be totally discredited.

It's not at all uncommon for witnesses to lie under oath, especially, of course, witnesses who have an interest and hence a reason to lie. That doesn't get the testimony excluded. Where there's contradictory evidence, the jury (or the judge in a bench trial) decides where the preponderance of the evidence is.

If the chair-throwing myth were ever the subject of a trial, this witness would be subjected to cross-examination that would be devastating. In addition, of course, all the contrary evidence could be introduced. I'm confident that the decision by any unbiased fact-finder would come out the same way as the Snopes piece.

What would be inadmissible would be Ralston's testimony. His statement is pure hearsay and is not within any hearsay exception that I can think of.

[Luminous Animal]

42. Not when the video evidence proves otherwise. Zach is a big fat liar.

[bvf]

54. What a ridiculous question.

You may as well have said, "Court testimony is always true, right?"

[morningfog]

87. No, they rarely ever do.

[Kall]

133. Funny how

there was no video, pictures, or injuries/arrests from these unseen thrown chairs, with a line of officers right there.

[Bluenorthwest]

18. FLASHBACK: Intimidation claims as Nevada race gets bitter (2008)

"The allegations of dirty tricks came only hours after a judge threw out an attempt to block the Nevada Democratic Party from convening caucuses at nine casinos on Las Vegas's famous gambling strip.

The suit, brought by a teachers union allied with the Clinton campaign, argued that it would constitute an unfair advantage to Obama by making it easier for hotel workers to take time off from work to attend the caucus.

The running row was seen as a sign of the intensity of the campaign in Nevada."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/18/barackobama.uselections20082

In all history there have been two contested Nevada Democratic Caucuses, both won by Hillary and both including her side leveling accusations of bullying by the rival side. Just fun facts.

[passiveporcupine]

24. liar, racist, sexist, mysogynist, using the Pope to win catholic votes, now violent

all false accusations coming from camp Clinton and thrown at camp Sanders.

I probably left out a few. There have been so many false accusations I can't even keep track of them.

[floppyboo]

43. don't forget 'unqualified' - oh, that was just a surrogate...

[Scootaloo]

98. Yet strangely, all 100% applicable to Clinton's campaign (Well, except the Pope thing, I guess.)

They project more than a drive-in theater.

[barrow-wight]

26. Now if they can only disprove the death threats.

Oh wait. They can't.

[anotherproletariat]

27. What about the threatening phone calls to the NV DNC chair? nt

[itsrobert]

30. That doesnt count because you can't prove they were Bernie supporters

Unless you believe the Bernie supporters who were interviewed admitting to the calls.

[pdsimdars]

32. Thanks. I'll send that link to Maddow and MSNBC (and a few others)

Just to let them know we're watching what they do (and refuse to do)

I sent it to maddow, msnbc, and stephanie miller telling them I would be looking forward for them to correct any false impressions they gave in reporting this issue.

I also just sent the link to Obama, Hartmann and TYT. Love to spread this great information around.

Thank you for posting it.

[tandem5]

34. yes, but there is some very damning video involving an endtable

[Luminous Animal]

45. I was appalled. Or sickened. Maybe shamed. (What is the word of the day?)

[tandem5]

57. The word of the day is enervated as in...

As I lifted the end table to hurl at thine enemy I was enervated by its unexpected heaviness.

[frylock]

165. I used to be digusted...

[stillwaiting]

35. Even IF a chair was thrown so fucking what!

Last edited Sat May 21, 2016, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

My God, the corruption at that convention was going to elicit an emotional and angry response. Righteously and understandably so.

Of course, there is NO fucking evidence that any violence happened, and it is clear that zero chair throwage occurred either.

So crazy that the focus has been on the non existing violence and not the blatant corruption. That is the objective of the Establishment quite clearly.

[AzDar]

36. Ralston, like Capehart... when proven to be a LIAR... will say NOTHING. Pretend it never happened.

[vintx]

40. Please share this everywhere. Tweet it to pundits.

Share it on facebook.

We need to try to make this viral since the entire M$M was trumpeting the HRC supporters' lies.

[highprincipleswork]

51. The truth shall be revealed, and it shall set you free. But only if you pay attention after the 24

hour newscycle has already done its damage.

(And only if you can be open to it.)

[grasswire]

52. which media outlet will apologize first? nt

[grasswire]

53. this means Lange is a liar. nt

[VOX]

55. WHOA! This changes EVERYTHING!!1!

Except those pesky threatening voicemails...

[cantbeserious]

56. Might The Threats Be From Brock Trolls - Oh The Irony

eom

[MelungeonWoman]

74. At this point, isn't the obvious reply to ANY Clinton allegation...

Proof or bullshit? I mean, c'mon.

[morningfog]

88. Pundits were pissing themselves about a riot.

They were full of shit.

[Number23]

121. Or the folks rushing the stage, and the screaming, and the threatening the woman and her family

and calling Boxer a bitch, and, and, and... but I love how these folks feel "vindicated" because no one threw a chair.

[Cheese Sandwich]

58. The tweet that will live in infamy

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/731892274464841729

[randome]

63. I'm a nominee supporter and I couldn't care less about this playground crap.

Does no one -on either side- understand the utter inconsequentiality of whether or not a chair was thrown?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[bvf]

90. Dismissing it as "playground crap" says a lot

about your outlook.

Do you understand the grave consequentiality of a so-called journalist lying through his teeth, and having that lie propagated and virtually unchallenged by the media--24/7--for several news cycles?

For any fucking reason at all?

[Hydra]

109. Judith Miller anyone? n/t

[Uncle Joe]

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Autumn Colors.

[JudyM]

68. DWS repeated this. Apologize, Installation Chief.

(As if.)

[senz]

69. Truth will out. Now we need an apology from the NYTimes and NPR

and all the other mediocrities in the corporate media system.

[BernieforPres2016]

75. The lie did its job

The Clinton dirty tricks operation shouted "squirrel!" at the MSM to distract them from the story, which was the theft of Bernie delegates by the DNC in Nevada. That story was not reported. And most of the MSM outlets will not correct or retract the lies about chair throwing and how Sanders supporters are like Trump supporters.

[italiangirl]

76. Axis of Evil

Chris Matthews, Maddow and DWS repeated it over and over again. I only watch Chris Hayes and Lawrence O'Donnell. How about joining me in boycotting Matthews, Maddow and All Due Respect. MSNBC has no respect for their long-time viewers and they should have to pay the price for it until they come to their senses. Don't forget that we long time viewers made them who they are and they piss in our face. Enough is enough

[senz]

89. But let them know WHY they are being boycotted.

Punishment must be connected to the infraction, else perps don't learn.

[Thinkingabout]

82. Why was the chair picked up in the first place, was it poor judgement of the person

Picking it up. Just picking up the chair over his head is an act of aggression, unaccepted. The phone calls is also an act of aggression, calling the chairs place of employment is a sign of aggression. This behavior is inacceptable, Sanders could have put this to the side if he had denounced the action in his statement. It lessons his integrity.

[senz]

85. Stealing elections is a form of aggression.

For some reason, it never goes over well with the voters. They do get upset, they cry out in shock and anger. They shout booo.

The Hill camp didn't care. Instead they made up stories that "CHAIRS were THROWN."

But Hill camp LIED. One shocked, cheated delegate held up his chair and then lowered it.

No chairs were thrown.

But the Hill camp went to town spreading falsehoods. All over the place. Lies, lies, and more lies. Headlines of lies.

It is the Hillary campaign that owes everyone an apology.

[Thinkingabout]

97. I agree, since there were less delegates in attendance for Sanders than

Clinton why the big rowdy scene, looks like the minor supporters was trying to over rule the majority, in other words trying to steal delegates from Clinton.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

94. Put those goalposts down and start another thread if you want to. This one's about lying.

[Doctor_J]

103. So once again Hillary's lying is OK

Don't you people have any morals at all?

[QC]

106. No. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

108. Who said Hillary is lying, where is the controlof the delegates?

[bvar22]

161. Was her mouth open?

*

[juxtaposed]

104. Why was the chair picked up in the first place

who gives a shit

[Babel_17]

86. I was pleasantly surprised that it was actually a fleshed out article

Nowadays we have to seek out responsible journalism, and while I'm happy to see some there from Snopes, it's a reminder of the poor state of affairs that we can't take getting it for granted, even from sources that have been regarded as institutions.

[Blue Owl]

91. The only chair that should be tossed is DWS

n/t

[senz]

92. lol, true!

[juxtaposed]

105. well put

[bvf]

119. Blue Owl for the win!

http://www.politicalpeopleblog.com/bernie-sanders-backs-tim-canova-says-he/

[ucrdem]

96. Changes nothing because we've all seen the enraged chair guy that had to be controlled.

Yes, that's violence. And it inspires no confidence whatsoever in that particular candidate's ability to hold elected office.

[snowy owl]

113. Pretty desperate for a reason not to apologize and admit wrong. Why am I not surprised?

[arcane1]

156. If that one guy represents Bernie, then Wendell Pierce represents Hillary.

Beating up women? Yes, that's violence. And it inspires no confidence whatsoever in that particular candidate's ability to hold elected office.

[Skwmom]

99. It does not matter. Clinton, the Democratic Establishment, and the Corp Media will continue to

repeat the lie.

[jillan]

101. Have there been any apologies from anyone on msnbc, cnn or cbs yet?

Has Rachel done her cutesy little segment called Dept of Corrections yet?



I honestly don't know because I don't watch the propaganda shows but if there hasn't, we really need to hold their feet to the fire until they do.

Damn Liars!

[Doctor_J]

102. Hillary and her supporters have as much in common with the truth as W has with intelligence

And regardless of how much evidence is presented, they will believe and spread the lies

[Fumesucker]

120. Meh, Dubya was smart enough to pull the wool over Hillary's eyes

Of course she was just a naive young woman from flyover country and he a New England patrician with degrees from Harvard and Yale both.

[hopemountain]

107. don lemon, take note.

[lumberjack_jeff]

110. So how many times has this lie travelled around the world before the truth could tie its shoes? n/t

[snowy owl]

112. Thanks, Autumn. Now an apology is in order. Lange? Boxer? DWS? Ralston? Clinton?

As I recall, Sanders was supposed to apologize...

[MisterP]

118. I know, right? I hear a spark making its way down a fuse

[NewImproved Deal]

115. Yet another LIE from the Clinton Machine exposed to the World...

[imari362]

117. Most Hillary Supporters

In this thread are just like their candidate.

Their class and honesty shows why they support her for anything.

[DLevine]

122. Kick and rec for the truth. nt

[Beartracks]

124. LOL -- "other eyewitnesses [said] the video is wrong."

Sure, that must be it: the video that proves no chairs were thrown MUST BE WRONG.



And then there's this: "In spite of the fact that the whole thing was filmed live from multiple angles, no one has any images or video of even a single chair, let alone chairs plural, being thrown."

I always wondered about that. In this day and age of smart phones -- not to mention official video recordings and/or security footage -- it's a wonder that the chair-throwing tale could still go halfway around the world before the truth even got its shoes on.

But then, haters gonna believe what they want to believe.

====================

[MaeScott]

125. Kicked and a big glaring example of the Brocketts at work.

[merrily]

129. Perhaps next, Snopes can work on DWS's that she's been neutral in this Presidential primary.

I give that infinity Pinocchios raised to the infinite power.

[RBInMaine]

130. Oh my goodness, it's the "Chair Conspiracy" now. Oh no! Call the FBI! A chair, a chair, a chair!!!

[libdem4life]

139. Perhaps we could call Clint Eastwood...he has an interesting experience with a chair.

[DrDan]

134. All this concern is simply hilarious - the tantrums caught on

video are enough to prove the boorish and bullying nature of the bros ...

But a chair being thrown has not been proven ...

[libdem4life]

146. One might call it dissent...unpopular as that has become, it is still not

unpatriotic...as is rigging things.

The English Crown thought the early settlers were...boorish...while being strong-armed to get in line with the Status Quo. So being anti-establishment has some mighty strong roots both in our history and in our politics.

Speaking of throwing things...there's the Boston Harbor.

A picked up chair...really, now.

[DrDan]

147. I would hardly equate the Nevada debacle with "true"

Patriotic dissent

[libdem4life]

149. Why am I not surprised...depends upon your point of view.

It's pretty patriotic to follow rules and not change horses in midstream. That, and the clear and obvious rigging happening at the Democratic Party level.

So we can disagree.

[DrDan]

153. There is dissent - then there is boorish behavior

Calling Pelosi a "bitch" and the threats to Lange put Nevada in the latter category

[libdem4life]

157. Like I said...dispossesed people rail against The Wo/Man.

Going to have to deal with it. It's a rigged system and I'm sure a lot of people feel what this person said or did...regardless of gender or pejorative. It's not the first time on any political spectrum, and it likely won't be the last.

As it seems, the female gender was alive and well in the marching drums of superiority which undoubtedly was uncalled for, but so was the situation. November is a long way off.

Yet still, the Winner writes the History.

[ScreamingMeemie]

138. Sadly, the damage is done, and this "Democratic" crew will move on to the next disgusting ploy

to win the nomination for Hillary. She really should have reined this in/fired the ever-more disgusting Brock long ago. Not winning any hearts, that group.

[libdem4life]

141. Yes, still pursuing the hearts...with the forced bowing of the heads.

Anyway, they could care less about hearts...it's about votes, illusion, hanky-panky, et al.

I'll never forget Richard Nixon...yes I am that old...saying about one of the Watergate burglers, I believe, "He may be an SOB, but he's our SOB."

I think that pretty much covers establishment political groups as a whole.

I pray that even if Bernie does not make it all the way, the he and his ideas which lie dormant in many political cellars, will prove to be a nascent but growing reality.

[felix_numinous]

142. No apologies expected

of course, they are too busy on their Titanic project to ruin the country.

[Smarmie Doofus]

158. At this point it doesn't matter what he *might* have done w. the chair.

It's very Reichstag Fire-ish:

"Whatever the truth, the Nazis used the fire to solidify their power and eliminate the communists as political rivals." - Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

[scscholar]

159. You can't prove a negative

Snopes is just getting worse and worse.

[frylock]

163. This hasn't stopped the chair throw birthers.

I see a couple of cute new sig lines with chairs being thrown. Must be part of that unity campaign I keep hearing about.

[Cali_Democrat]

164. OMG really? Bernie is totally gonna win the nomination now

It's all over for Hillary and her campaign.