If super delegates are going to go against the popular vote, why on earth would they choose Bernie?

[Corporate666]

If super delegates are going to ignore the popular vote and are expected to choose a candidate solely on the basis of having the best chance at winning in a general, why on earth would Bernie or his supporters think that it means he would get the nod?

If they are setting aside the election results, then they could choose anyone. Biden, Bloomberg, Webb, Warren or anyone else.

It's laughably stupid that Bernie thinks they should ignore what the voters want and just pick someone.... but that this "someone" should be him.

Just more foolishness from the Sanders campaign. Of course, this is a moot point as he has already lost the nomination and has essentially zero chance, but I find it amusing that he thinks that if the rules are set aside, then somehow those rules somehow still apply to give him the nod.

[cantbeserious]

1. Simple - Bernie Is The Only Antidote For The Corrupt Nation Once Known As America

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[cantbeserious]

32. Your Opinion Only - Others See The world Much, Much Differently

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[cantbeserious]

37. Your Opinion Only ...

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[cantbeserious]

39. Truly Childish Assumptions On One's Part - Which Appears Common For Your Cause

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[cantbeserious]

42. The Same Can Be Said For One Based On The Assumptions One Made About Others

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[Demsrule86]

45. such drama

If he was so great and had widespread support, he would have won the primary.

[cantbeserious]

50. Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently

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[Demsrule86]

60. This is not opinion

And spare me the cheating baloney...Bernie lost because less people voted for him than Hillary. It is very simple... Obama started in the same place with a foreign sounding name and a dark skin and beat Hillary in 08. Bernie simply lost.

[cantbeserious]

61. Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently

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[Surya Gayatri]

63. CAN'T.BE.SERIOUS - That's for damn sure, NOT serious at all.

[Renew Deal]

53. The only antidote for "corruption" is to throw out the will of the voters.

That's just brilliant. Commit the ultimate corrupt act of stealing an election to deal with corruption.

[joshcryer]

2. Technically the superdelegates choosing whoever is well within the rules.

It's dumb but that's how it is. However, if we didn't have any superdelegates the number to reach would be 2026, and there is one candidate that is certain to get that many. So it's a moot point.

[dchill]

3. You KNOW why.

You're ignoring the YUGE elephant in the room. Enjoy the dissonance while you can.

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. There are not enough super delegates to anoint a Biden, Bloomberg, Web, or Warren.

So they can not just decide to anoint a candidate.
Now one has ever shown me a single reason why they should abandon the winner of a majority of delegates or a majority of the popular vote of Democrats.

In 2008 there was less than 1% difference in popular vote between Obama and Clinton. It was that close. The winner was Obama and the majority went with the winner.

I would be very upset if Super Delegates disenfranchised a large majority of voters and anointed Sanders. If Sanders were winning the delegate race and the popular vote, I would be upset if Super Delegates ignore the will of the Democratic Party and anointed Clinton.

[Corporate666]

7. They can - that's my point

If - as the Sanders campaign reminds us - they are free to vote how they choose, that doesn't mean they need to choose between Sanders or Clinton.

If they were going to abandon the party and precedent and just vote for anyone - why on earth does Sanders think it would be him? They could vote for Warren, Webb, O'Malley, Biden, etc. Then no candidate would have the votes, and then ANYONE would be fair game.

And if Sanders thinks he is somehow the most popular democrat in the country, he is sorely mistaken. So even if the SD's voted however they like and chose the person who they felt could most likely win - it wouldn't be for him. It would be someone else within the party.

Sanders (again) wants his cake and to eat it too. He wants SD's not to be obligated to vote for any particular candidate, but to be obligated to vote from between two choices. But it's another thing he is wrong about. They could vote for anyone.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Super Delegates could ignore Democratic Voters and select Sanders.

But he is the only one they could do that for and allow a win
Only Clinton or Sanders have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination with Super Delegates. Pledged delegates can not change their votes until either the second or third ballot at the convention. Those are the rules.

They are not going to do that.

[AgerolanAmerican]

5. They don't have to

All they have to do is vote for someone who is not Clinton on the first ballot and it throws the convention open. Then it's anybody's ballgame.

[DCBob]

12. Good point.

Worse case scenario, some super horrific scandal, they might just do that. Then a someone like Biden would likely be chosen.. not Bernie.

[AgerolanAmerican]

14. I don't love Biden

he's a corporatist himself... HOWEVER... he's not going to lead us to downballot devastation like Clinton would. He will at least turn in a respectable performance that keeps the party from disintegrating.

[Demsrule86]

46. Hillary is the candidate

There is no scandal..we told you email was garbage... it was all right wing BS...should have listened.

[Shandris]

6. "The popular vote".

I don't like euphemisms. Let's stick to actual facts.

What you are referencing is, in actuality, known as 'the votes that were allowed to be counted'. It is not, in any conceivable way, a 'popular vote'.

Of course, with that little correction in place, the rest of your post reads like yet another boring and frankly ham-handed attempt at demoralization. Of course, bereft of it's false initial assumption, that attempt becomes quite comical.

[Corporate666]

8. You don't know what euphemism means

Sorry to hear that, I'll try to explain. A euphemism is a word or phrase you use in place of another word/phrase that is harsh or rude. So "popular vote" is in no way a euphemism.

...just since you like to stick to facts, and all.

Now, as for the votes - Hillary is way ahead on votes. Your claim of "votes that were allowed to be counted" is baseless. The rules are clear. Sanders made a choice to participate in this system under these rules, and he was always free to run independent. He chose not to do that. Complaining about the rules he chose to run under just because he's losing - badly - is like a kid turning over the monopoly board because they are getting their ass kicked.

Hillary has gotten more votes in the democratic primary. That's a fact. If he doesn't want the democratic nomination, well perhaps he should have thought about that before he willingly chose to run as a democrat.

As for demoralization - I can't imagine why any Sanders voters would have morale at this point? Surely every single one of them realizes he isn't going to win the nomination at this point.

[anotherproletariat]

10. So, so true. People don't seem to realize that the super delegates are party loyalists.

Most owe their careers, and future political fortunes to the Democratic Party, and any break from the party will be a stain on their reputations. These are not people who will casually support a non-Democrat. Particularly one who openly insults the party, it's chairman, it's leading presidential nominee and who has supporters who routinely make threatening phone calls to these very super delegates. Any thought Sanders may have of support from super delegates is laughable.

[RobertEarl]

11. They are not dumb

That is why they may refuse to help nominate a warmonger such as Hillary. And she is negative about advancing good democratic causes such as better health care and education.

Besides, Obama beat her badly 8 years ago and she is a proven loser.

The smart choice for the super delegates is Bernie. The losing choice is Hillary.

[anotherproletariat]

13. No one but the hardcore Sanders supporters thinks that Hillary is a warmonger.

You might want to check the source of your talking points.

I mean the original source.

[RobertEarl]

16. WHAT?

Do you even know the meaning of the word?

[m-lekktor]

55. Only hardcore Hillary supporters think she isn't a warmonger. nt

[LiberalFighter]

40. Really? Obama beat Clinton badly? Where?

With just pledged delegates Clinton was down 11 delegates after it was all over.

Proven losers don't win two terms to the Senate.

[Demsrule86]

47. YEAH?

If she is such a loser than why did St. Bernie not win?

[Txbluedog]

15. There is no way Sanders is walking out of Philly as the nominee...

If Hillary can't do it for whatever reason, they will pick someone else (a real Democrat) to be the nominee, not Bernie

[RobertEarl]

17. Bernie is the best real Democrat in a long time

That's why he's about to get the nomination.

[Txbluedog]

18. Yes so he's gonna piss off all the non-real Democrats who are super delegates

And they will then vote for him, great logic there!

[RobertEarl]

19. They may or may not be real

Your assertions are nonsense and since you are new here I will tell you such nonsense was never well received on DU. Lots of nonsense posters have eaten their words and are now too ashamed to continue. Don't be one of them, eh?

[Corporate666]

25. How confident are you of that statement?

I'd like to cover as large a bet as you're willing to make. I'll even give you 10:1 odds.

We both know he has zero chance of being the nominee. I don't get the purpose of making a fool of one's self by saying otherwise? It really is like the black knight from Monty Python.

[RobertEarl]

28. Indictment

The FBI always gets their man... in this case woman.

That and the convention is gonna show the world what utter bullshit her and her campaign supporters are offering. Like the damn chair lies from Nevada.

[Demsrule86]

48. Yeah even Faux

has given up on this nonsense.

[Iliyah]

22. But HRC has

[RobertEarl]

23. Been. But HRC has been. There. I finished your thought.

Obama beat her badly in 2008. She's a modern day loser. A has been.

[Zynx]

30. That wasn't exactly badly. That was pretty narrow.

If she's a loser, what the hell is Bernie this time?

[RobertEarl]

34. Bernie is the real winner

She is a loser. Obama beat her.

Of course Obama had lots of big supporters and the 27 debates and all that.

Bernie has very little support from the purveyors of global warming, nuclear power, and the warmongers. And that's why I love him!

[Bread and Circus]

20. I don't think you understand what the superdelegates can and cannot do.

I personally don't want the supers to go against the popular vote but your OP just sounds ignorant.

[RobertEarl]

24. Reason for the supers

Is to ameliorate the stupidity of the voters and to be up to speed with a rapidly changing nominating process.

This popular vote idea is a misnomer because so very few voters actually voted. Somewhere around 5% of the voters actually cast a ballot for H.

[Corporate666]

27. I don't think you understand math

Let me help you in your ignorance.

The SD's do not have to vote for HRC. Or Bernie. So if by some bizarro world scenario HRC didn't win on the first ballot, then the delegates are free to vote as they like.

And nobody has to choose "Bernie or Hillary'. Biden, Warren, Webb, O'Malley or anyone else could be in the mix.


The point stands - if by some ridiculous set of circumstances the SD's decide they do not want to support HRC, that in no way means they will support Bernie. It is not a binary "HRC or BS" choice. It is foolish to think that if they choose not to back HRC that they will choose to back BS.

Like thinking if you eliminate the man a woman likes, that she will like you instead. It's just a false assumption.

Of course this is all academic, but it points out a massive hole in the BS supporter strategy.

[RobertEarl]

29. You haven't thought this through very well

If they don't vote for Bernie they will vote for the awful H option which will be a loser in the GE.

There being no others in the running they will chose to vote for Bernie - a winner in the GE - or H the GE loser.

Or they will not vote. You really think they won't vote? You must think they are stupid? They're not stupid, most will vote for the GE real deal winner- Bernie!

[imagine2015]

21. To save their own asses by enabling their re-election to Congress because Trump will crush Hillary.

A Trump landslide would enable Republicans to pick up even more seats in the Senate and House.

Bernie is the firewall to stop Trump.

[pangaia]

26. I am sorry for your pain.

Oh..your stage name seems somehow appropriate.

[Waiting For Everyman]

44. Because they want to win.

If they honestly don't want a President Trump, then they will choose Bernie. If Trump isn't so bad after all, they'll choose Hillary.

The choice they make, will tell us if they really believe Trump is as scary as they're telling us he is. They're so clued in and so savvy, I'm going to let their statement on that be my guide too.

[Demsrule86]

49. We will not

'select' the loser of the primary...Bernie Sander...and guess what 2008 is not relevant...she won Sanders lost...done is done.

[Waiting For Everyman]

57. Then I'll know that Trump isn't a problem. nt

[Demsrule86]

59. Bernie can't be chosen

He would have to be selected as the voters have already chosen...and most importantly, Bernie would bomb in the General Election...probably worse than McGovern. He has not been vetted and by the time the GOP, who want him badly for the GE, got finished...he would be seen as the second coming of Stalin.

[surrealAmerican]

51. Here are three reasons:

1. They might think his chances are better in the general election.

2. If they think he has a better chance of getting more voters to the polls, which will help down-ticket races.

3. They could think he stands a better chance of achieving something if elected.

[DLCWIdem]

56. He actually went down nationally in the last 7 polls. Not that it matters because G.E. polls mean 0

[Renew Deal]

52. I've been trying to point this out

They're not going to pick the runner up. Voters have already shown that person to be an unacceptable choice.

[Depaysement]

54. There are these things called polls nt

[Jack Bone]

58. your question means that your view is skewed

There are only 700 and some Super Delegates

A candidate needs 2100 and some votes AT the convention to become the party nominee.

So there aren't enough Super Delegates to make a nomination.

Bernie & Hillary are the only two candidates that can get enough delegates to be nominated..by adding the candidates committed delegates to Super Delegates

Bernie & Hillary have been adding committed delegates to their totals thru primaries & caucus' . neither have, nor will have accumulated enough committed delegates to secure the nomination before the party's convention.

AT the convention the Super Delegates will then be allowed to cast their votes and push either Bernie or Hillary over the top to secure the nomination.

You keep referring to the popular vote....the popular vote doesn't matter.
It's simply something the candidates use to sway the Supers. in some caucus states the popular vote isn't tabulated, but yet they still award delegates.

Delegates are the only statistic that matters.

hopefully, this helps you

[Todays_Illusion]

62. I disagree, I think this view laughably leaves out the Bernie Sanders supporters.