No Chairs were thrown in NV

[Equinox Moon]

There was no violence. The media misreported and inflamed the situation, as did others from the convention.

[JoePhilly]

1. The nice man holding the chair over his head was just offering it ...

... to a woman up on stage in a very friendly and non-threatening manner.

[Equinox Moon]

4. He set it down, then someone hugged him.

It ended without a chair being thrown.

[JoePhilly]

5. When was the last time you picked a chair up over your head ...

... and threatened to throw it?

It was a threat. Pure and simple.

Rational people do not pick up chairs and threaten to throw them.

Its nice that some one stopped him.

But he still made the threat.

[me b zola]

11. Put the lie down and back away.

[JoePhilly]

22. The guy didn't threaten to throw a chair?

[me b zola]

49. There was no violence at the Nevada Dem convention

You can nit pick every action and word of Sanders' delegates, but the truth is there was no violence. It was an out right lie first spread by one pro-Hillary "journalist" and then repeated by other news agencies without fact checking nor shame.

[JoePhilly]

51. There was a threat of violence.

It's not like the guy was seated quietly minding his own business.

He helped create the conditions and the story grew from that.

All over 2 delegates that Hillary rightfully won.

[me b zola]

53. How quickly the original smear of "throwing chairs" morphs into other claims

...once the smear has been debunked. The smear was debunked and it is shameful that some are still trying to get mileage out of it.

[dchill]

33. +1,000,001

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. When was the last time the ultimately harmless act of one anonymous individual...

who committed no crime or violence, was used to define a political campaign by both the DNC and the national media and REPEATEDLY misrepresented - all facts to the contrary?

One guy, probably drunk and posturing, talked down easily with a simple hug. End of story, except no, it became a repeated on the hour national story spun to ridiculous extremes with no one in the DNC or national media ever retracting their over the top false characterizations and slander against Sanders supporters nationwide.

[Equinox Moon]

16. Thank you!

[JoePhilly]

24. Threatening to throw a chair is not harmless.

It's a threat of violence.

You can make excuses all you want.

Threats of violence are not harmless.

[Uponthegears]

56. You keep saying this

over and over:

"and threatening to throw it."?

Are you claiming that holding a chair at arm's length over your head is "threatening to throw it?"

If that is the case, I suspect you have never thrown even a ball in your life, 'cause, friend, that isn't how you throw.

If not, are you claiming that you have some secret information from the floor of the convention that this gesture was accompanied by some verbal threat?

No, not that either?

Could it be that you are simply chanting the Brockian meme and you don't know the first thing about what really happened?

[pangaia]

30. The lie is still being spread in news media,

to say nothing about DU.

[Silver_Witch]

32. Double thank you!

[Smarmie Doofus]

63. And let's remember THIS, esp., when they call on us to abort the campaign:

>>>>spun to ridiculous extremes with no one in the DNC or national media ever retracting their over the top false characterizations and slander against Sanders supporters nationwide.>>>>>

No, kids. We are NOT going away.

We'll be there for the roll-call vote.

And after.

[ljm2002]

6. Not a single chair was thrown...

...but the "news" reports talked about "people throwing chairs at the stage".

Paints a very different picture from what really happened. One person raised a chair, and put it down quickly without any fuss. ONE person, and not a single chair was actually thrown.

Pretty desultory riot.

[JoePhilly]

7. No, he only threatened to throw it.

I'm not sure why you guys want to keep talking about it.

Tell me ... when was the last time YOU picked up a chair and threatened to throw it at someone?

That's what the guy did.

Does that happen regularly where you work? People pick up chairs and threaten to throw them.

[ljm2002]

10. This was not someone's workplace...

...this was a state caucus and was run very one-sidedly, in order to ensure that Hillary came away with more delegates, which had been in doubt due to the results of the county caucuses.

Bernie won the county caucuses because his delegates showed up and many of Hillary's delegates did not. This was all done according to the all-important RULEZ, but because of the outcome, Hillary's supporters claim that Sanders' delegates "cheated" -- by showing up, dontcha know.

I am not condoning lifting the chair. I am pointing out that the VERY distorted reporting on the incident, painted a picture of what happened that is simply not true. If you ask most people around the country what they know about the NV caucus, I bet most of them will say that it was a mess, people were violent and chairs were thrown. Because that is what the MSM ran with (with Rachel Maddow actually showing footage of chairs being thrown at a wrestling event, just for good measure). Are you condoning THAT?

It reminds me of the pictures of Saddam's statue being taken down, how the media didn't show us the wide-angle shot that would have shown very few people in the square. Then we would have seen the truth, that it was a very controlled situation, not a spontaneous outpouring of "the people".

Similarly in this case, one guy provided them with their photo-op and they ran with it to create a false narrative.

Interesting, but not surprising, that you would condone that sort of misleading reporting. It was a FALSE narrative, not any attempt to report truthfully. They could have shown the footage of the guy with the chair and tsked all they wanted, I would not have complained about that -- he did do it, and provided them with their photo-op. But they used it to catapult a lie, and I will complain long and loud about that.

[JoePhilly]

15. It absolutely was some one's workplace.

You think no one there was working?

Not only that, the place was packed with strangers unknown to the angry man holding the chair up over his head in anger.

He is making a THREAT. Period.

Now, you can whine about how that got reported. But that does not change the fact that the man was using a threat of violence to try and get what he wanted.

Its nice that some one stopped him ... but he still made the threat.

He created the conditions which led to inaccurate reporting.

There was no excuse for his behavior.

And it came back to bite Bernie on the ass.

By the way, as you complain about the proceedings, did you know that the rules for the convention stated very clearly that delegates were to remain in their seats, and anyone attempting to disrupt the events would be asked to leave? I'm betting not.

The reality is the Democratic host of the event allowed those protesters to remain, even when they could have simply thriwn them out for breaking the rules.

Bernie lost. Period. And as a result, Hillary picked up 2 delegates. That's it, 2 delegates.

But some fool was stupid enough to raise a chair over his head and threaten people ... and Bernie supporters want to dismiss it.

Again ... I'm not sure why you guys keep bringing it up. The guy made a threat.

[ljm2002]

52. It is standard operating procedure...

...for TPTB to talk about "decorum" when they are caught playing games.

I will let others judge for themselves who was to blame for the lack of "decorum". There is plenty of video out there, and plenty of first-hand accounts.

TTFN

[pangaia]

34. Oh jesus on a stick, give it up already

Go kayaking, go to a baseball game, workout at the gym, wash the windows, ... do something fun or useful..

[JoePhilly]

38. You should reply directly to the OP.

I think it's dumb for Bernie supporters to keep bringing this up.

A nut threatened to throw a chair, and they're defending him.

[Silver_Witch]

36. Tell me when was the last time a MAN actually...

..hit a woman because she didn't believe in his candidate? Oh yeah that was a Clinton supporter!

[JoePhilly]

40. He should be arrested.

I'm not defending that guy.

Why are Bernie supporters defending the guy who threatened to throw a chair?

[Silver_Witch]

58. Because he did not throw it! Andd because those around him worked to stop him from throwing it!!

Do you see the difference now? It is called teamwork my friend! We are here to help each other, not hurt! They stopped his anger with reason and he put the chair down. We all get hot under the collar and sometimes we need to take a deep breath and get over ourselves!

The chair man did just that!

[dchill]

46. I'm not sure why YOU want to keep talking about it.

You're blowing and blowing on a tiny little burnt out coal that went out instantly. It's not gonna catch fire here. Using the word "violence" repeatedly doesn't make it a true story.

[JoePhilly]

48. I find it interesting that Bernie supporters ...

... want to defend threats of violence.

[dchill]

50. I'm not.

[bahrbearian]

13. Here is another photo of that guy that threw ......

punch's at Bernie supporters

[oasis]

17. Physical violence in bars, cafes and other public places happens quite often.

Some begin with disagreements over race, religion and even politics. If this guy wasn't famous it would have neve made national news.

But then, you knew that.

[bahrbearian]

18. So the only violence in this primary comes for HRC supporter and you dismiss it , got it!

[bahrbearian]

19. If the couple had Booed Wendell, could he claim self-defense?

[oasis]

29. Some brawls get sorted out in court, but you need to ask his attorney

about his legal options.

[JoePhilly]

21. And that guy should be arrested.

Meanwhile, Bernie supporters dismiss and excuse the angry man threatening to throw a chair.

Some even claim he had good reasons.

[bahrbearian]

26. All's I hear on the news is Bernie supporter shut down the convention, threw chair's

,I even heard there were punch's thrown, yet no arrests. You do know in 1776 we had a revolution when they felt their rights were being ignored. NVDEM's were taking away their rights to a fair vote.

[JoePhilly]

31. Probably because it was a political event.

And the media needs a political horse race more.

And this wasn't 1776.

Bernie lost a primary and some of his supporters got pissed, and one threatened to throw a chair.

Great news story.

[bahrbearian]

37. If they wanted a Political Horse Race, they wouldn't lie about the convention then would they,

instead of knee capping Bernie. Of course the don't have to make up shit on Hillary , she does that herself.

[JoePhilly]

42. They love the drama, that should be obvious.

[Silver_Witch]

44. This twice!!!

[pinebox]

2. But but.....BUT............

[DrDan]

3. Of course the bros definition of violence differs

from that of others

[Sky Masterson]

8. bros?

How would you define "bros"
Here are a few random definitions that I found floating around.
big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
slur
noun
noun: slur; plural noun: slurs
1. an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.

and for good measure here is what The Google says "Violence" means
vi·o·lence
ˈvī ə ləns/
noun
noun: violence
behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Those Boos must have felt like being hit with the fist of Mike Tyson in his prime.

[Smarmie Doofus]

9. You are correct.

>>>>The media misreported and inflamed the situation, as did others from the convention.>>>

And you are correct again.

[Equinox Moon]

14. Indeed. Good to be clear

"They" spread the meme of chair (s), plural, being thrown. That meme must be countered with the correct information.

[Autumn]

20. Of course not. No WMDs in Iraq either, but pushing both of those scenarios

benefited Clinton.

[saltpoint]

23. As soon as this flared on the web as

happening / not happening etc. I made a point to ignore it. It's a crossfire torrent of bullshit better off left alone.

I think the real issue involving chairs is Clint Eastwood's talking to one at the most recent Republican Convention. Don't get me wrong -- I think he's done some good work in films. Not my favorite actor but not my least favorite either.

But the chair thing is troubling. It suggests acute difficulty in reality construction, IMO. A common diagnosis among Republicans since at least Nixon. At this point it's a pervasive epidemic.

I think Clint deserves help and I hope he gets it. If clinicians find a way to manage his psychosis, maybe they can go to work on the rest of the GOP as well. There's not a moment to lose. With hope and support, ladies and gentlemen, we can find a cure.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. Lies are bad enough. Coordinated ones should invalidate ones democrat card. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

27. Oh, I got it, the guy thought the chair was a Sanders sign and the others around him

hugged him because he was holding a sign high in the air.

[artyteacher]

28. ya know...

BS supporters are just mad they couldn't cheat well enough. Hillary won at the start, remember?

[chervilant]

35. The deceit, the distractions continue.

Desperation measures for sure.

[oldandhappy]

39. Heads up MSM

You are discrediting yourself. Social media and alternative media (YouTube) and way ahead of you in investigating stories.

[Equinox Moon]

62. Yes. We are fortunate to have the Internet for fact checking

[Recursion]

41. Huh. And that makes the out-of-order behavior OK?

Interesting....

[sufrommich]

45. That's the point of highlighting the chair throwing incident.

The guy didn't literally throw the chair as someone stopped him,therefore none of the reported bad behavior from Sanders supporters can be true.

[Recursion]

47. Yeah, it's odd. I personally never put much stock in the "thrown chair" claims, but the videos

are pretty clear that a portion of Sanders's delegation was not just out of order but way way way out of order.

[procon]

43. OK, lets say "no Chairs were actually thrown" because that man was stopped in time.

Lets also say that since Sanders supporters did not actually beat anyone to a bloody pulp, there was no physical violence. Now that the task of splitting hairs is behind us, how shall we define all the other things that Sanders representative delegates did?

In any other venue, would people have a right to feel intimidated, fearful and threatened if a large group of angry people leave their seats and rushed the stage, yelling obscenities, booing and the cat-calling, shaking their fists and creating a disruption that stopped the proceedings and brought in the police to restore order? Sanders followers don't consider death threats even rise to the level of "violent" behavior, you know, no one is actually dead yet, so what description is appropriate for their behavior?

[NorthCarolina]

54. The claim was a nice setup for their attacks on Bernie supporters.

It was a necessary fib.

[LWolf]

55. As did some Clinton supporters right here on DU, and,

reading down the thread, they continue to cling to the lie.

[demwing]

57. "Misreported" = lied

Just to be clear

[azurnoir]

59. but but a guy picked a chair up-isn't that the exact same thing?

[Equinox Moon]

64. No.

[azurnoir]

65. I was being snarky

[Equinox Moon]

66. Ok. But IMO, snarky is very tiresome on DU

[Maedhros]

60. At this point, with the incident being fully debunked, anyone claiming there was "violence" in NV

is an unmitigated asshole who know they are lying but lies anyway.

[Rex]

61. Did you hear about Trump trolls posing as HRC and BS supporters to divide us up?

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/busted-trump-loving-comment-trolls-pose-as-sanders-and-clinton-supporters-to-divide-democrats/

I see we have a few of them in GD-P, their posts are obvious.

[kgnu_fan]

67. Lots of wishful thought bubbles floating from Hillary side --- it is called delusion