2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue aggression in the Middle East
Also, when the narrative is such that the aggressor is the victim, one can draw a parallel between the two in this way as well.
Whose script are you following- The lies from the corporations who run our propaganda machine, or the fact that the aggressor really is the aggressor?
What narrative are you basing your decision on- the lies, or the truth.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)DookDook
(166 posts)that to start any shit with Syria is asking Russia to get involved.
It makes me think of how all the powers saw World War I coming and they all knew they could stop it, but just continued on their course anyway because they weren't going to be the one to back down.
After my friend told me this I told him that I am glad I don't have any kids and I'm too old to fight in a war.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)They absolutely will not stand down. They need Assad in power to keep their Syrian ports under Russian control.
Hillary knows this.
Her no fly zone proposal is deliberately inflammatory. Its one of many indicators that she's going to be keeping the US MIC rolling in the bucks for many years.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)apcalc
(4,463 posts)Beat that angry drum.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)beat it!!
polly7
(20,582 posts)worst to decimate whole sovereign nations and destroy the lives of millions for empire and profit.
I bet you were all for the Bush/Cheney 'humanitarian intervention' in Iraq too, right? Fuck, has this place changed.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Nice strawman there, I so rarely get an argument that isn't a logical fallacy, I guess I'd be shocked if I ever saw one based on facts.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)He's likely going to send our ground troops back to Iraq and into Syria too. A vote for Hillary would most likely mean continuing what we have now.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)That's your choice. Enlist now to be part of the action.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)But I'm sure he'd welcome your support.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)So far, it's been a long standup act with no real script. A really bad improvisation. But he knows his audience. I'm not one of his viewers, except as he's been forced down our throats by MSNBC and the rest.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)your choices, and live with them. Personally, this is no real choice.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Erect scary bogeymen, wave flag, cheer the troops, call it "defense", sell yellow ribbons.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But peace also means security for every Palestinian. It means achieving self-determination, civil rights, and economic well-being for the Palestinian people.
Peace will mean ending what amounts to the occupation of Palestinian territory, establishing mutually agreed upon borders, and pulling back settlements in the West Bank, just as Israel did in Gaza once considered an unthinkable move on Israels part.
That is why I join much of the international community, including the U.S. State Department and European Union, in voicing my concern that Israels recent expropriation of an additional 579 acres of land in the West Bank undermines the peace process and, ultimately, Israeli security as well.
It is absurd for elements within the Netanyahu government to suggest that building more settlements in the West Bank is the appropriate response to the most recent violence. It is also not acceptable that the Netanyahu government decided to withhold hundreds of millions of Shekels in tax revenue from the Palestinians, which it is supposed to collect on their behalf.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The only real crime would be to ignore the threats to innocent lives, refuse to help our friends & allies, and do nothing when confronted with evil.
The GOP, Trump and his minions are among the evil. Hillary Clinton is and has always been the best equipped & qualified to confront them.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Frenemies.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)not just once, either... she did it in both Libya and Syria.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Still would.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Al-Qaeda wasn't a significant factor in either country UNTIL Clinton made them so.
She is singularly responsible for it - they don't call Libya "Hillary's War" for nothing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Republicans and other irrational Clinton haters spend an inordinate amount of time coming up with pretzel logic to take today's problems - which have been brewing for decades - and lay them at the feet of Hillary Clinton, or today's hated Democrat du jour.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to make up your own facts.
The war on Libya is the centerpiece of her resume-focused campaign, and she couldn't be more proud of it.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)That Sanders fans keep trying to spin the death of a terrorist & murderer of American citizens as a bad thing is beyond my comprehension.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)It is absolutely extraordinary the lengths to which you are going to try to excuse Clinton's actions.
Breathtaking, even. This is George W. Bush type stuff you're spewing here. Rah rah Saddam is a bad man invasion good!
I'm in holy cow I can't even believe I am seeing this here territory. Mind-blowing.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Any informed person would realize that the removal of Gaddafi from power is something Clinton and the Obama Administration are deservedly proud of.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)refusal to interfere in their establishment and metastasis. These movements don't grow without money, a lot of it, and the US simply doesn't get in the way of international investment capital, even in terrorism. It's because we have been the world leading beneficiaries of both.
You're right, it does boil down to an attitude, and an economic philosphy. The same French word applies to both: Laissez faire.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You, too, Natgasistan!