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Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:32 AM May 2016

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue aggression in the Middle East



Also, when the narrative is such that the aggressor is the victim, one can draw a parallel between the two in this way as well.

Whose script are you following- The lies from the corporations who run our propaganda machine, or the fact that the aggressor really is the aggressor?

What narrative are you basing your decision on- the lies, or the truth.
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A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue aggression in the Middle East (Original Post) Gregorian May 2016 OP
So you are saying that you prefer Trump's foreign policy positions ? Trust Buster May 2016 #1
And worse. Her Syrian no fly zone proposal puts us on a collision course with Russia eom Arazi May 2016 #2
I was talking to a friend of mine and he was saying that because of how Russia uses Syrian ports DookDook May 2016 #21
Russian airpower is what's turning the tide for Assad's forces riderinthestorm May 2016 #30
IT's a vote for status quo all round Ferd Berfel May 2016 #3
Her foreign policy has been Kissinger-esque EndElectoral May 2016 #4
Oh yeah....a vote for Trump is sooooo much better. apcalc May 2016 #5
SSDD Dem2 May 2016 #6
I would hope every human being with a soul would beat that angry fucking drum. nt. polly7 May 2016 #9
Feigned manufactured outrage... Dem2 May 2016 #10
Nah, I don't 'feign' outrage over foreign policy that uses lies, coups and the worst of the polly7 May 2016 #11
Has to be fake, Hillary has never been President. Dem2 May 2016 #35
What does Sanders propose for the Middle East? SharonClark May 2016 #7
Continued drone usage. JoePhilly May 2016 #12
Trump has threatened to take out ISIS on his first day creeksneakers2 May 2016 #8
I'll take Hillary's ME policy over Trump's any day . JoePhilly May 2016 #13
What? Long genocidal wars over posturing and bluster? leveymg May 2016 #15
Trump plans to do more than bluster. JoePhilly May 2016 #16
We have no idea what his plans are or even if he plans anything. leveymg May 2016 #18
I guess we should let him win so we can find out. JoePhilly May 2016 #22
Either that or support Hillary because she has told us exactly what she intends to do. You make leveymg May 2016 #42
What does Sanders propose for the Middle East? SharonClark May 2016 #23
She's just supporting Traditional American Values. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #14
What does Sanders propose for the Middle East? SharonClark May 2016 #24
Here's a bit from BernieSanders.com Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #28
You do realize the ME has been a violent place for millennia? baldguy May 2016 #17
We have no real allies in the region. leveymg May 2016 #20
Which is the same type of attitude that gave us the Taliban and Al Qaeda baldguy May 2016 #26
Clinton actually supplied weapons to Al-Qaeda AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #31
And isolationists like Sanders and Trump would have given them Libya ... as well as Syria. baldguy May 2016 #32
Do you live in an alternate reality? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #33
You must've woken into this world wondering where Spock's bread was. baldguy May 2016 #34
This is the actual experience she's running on! AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #36
Your pining for the wonderful days of Gaddafi doesn't change the ludicrousness of your position. baldguy May 2016 #38
You are openly favoring ISIS and Al Qaeda over Qadafi AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #39
Pretending there is a pure & wonderful solution in either situation is moronically simplistic. baldguy May 2016 #40
Both are offspring of Saudi Wahabbi extremism, petrodollars, Pakistani military training, and our leveymg May 2016 #41
Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. Octafish May 2016 #19
A vote for Sanders is a vote to continue aggression in the Middle East SharonClark May 2016 #25
Funny how she has shown restraint in the recent airline incident, Benghazi, etc. Not Trump or GOP. Hoyt May 2016 #27
Get the bumper sticker now: "Clinton-Netanyahu 2016 - War in the Middle East is Good for Business" Attorney in Texas May 2016 #29
Well, seeing as Sanders lost the primary, your other choice is Trump. tritsofme May 2016 #37

DookDook

(166 posts)
21. I was talking to a friend of mine and he was saying that because of how Russia uses Syrian ports
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

that to start any shit with Syria is asking Russia to get involved.

It makes me think of how all the powers saw World War I coming and they all knew they could stop it, but just continued on their course anyway because they weren't going to be the one to back down.

After my friend told me this I told him that I am glad I don't have any kids and I'm too old to fight in a war.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
30. Russian airpower is what's turning the tide for Assad's forces
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

They absolutely will not stand down. They need Assad in power to keep their Syrian ports under Russian control.

Hillary knows this.

Her no fly zone proposal is deliberately inflammatory. Its one of many indicators that she's going to be keeping the US MIC rolling in the bucks for many years.



polly7

(20,582 posts)
11. Nah, I don't 'feign' outrage over foreign policy that uses lies, coups and the worst of the
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

worst to decimate whole sovereign nations and destroy the lives of millions for empire and profit.

I bet you were all for the Bush/Cheney 'humanitarian intervention' in Iraq too, right? Fuck, has this place changed.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
35. Has to be fake, Hillary has never been President.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:12 PM
May 2016

Nice strawman there, I so rarely get an argument that isn't a logical fallacy, I guess I'd be shocked if I ever saw one based on facts.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
8. Trump has threatened to take out ISIS on his first day
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:58 AM
May 2016

He's likely going to send our ground troops back to Iraq and into Syria too. A vote for Hillary would most likely mean continuing what we have now.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. What? Long genocidal wars over posturing and bluster?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

That's your choice. Enlist now to be part of the action.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. We have no idea what his plans are or even if he plans anything.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

So far, it's been a long standup act with no real script. A really bad improvisation. But he knows his audience. I'm not one of his viewers, except as he's been forced down our throats by MSNBC and the rest.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
42. Either that or support Hillary because she has told us exactly what she intends to do. You make
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

your choices, and live with them. Personally, this is no real choice.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. She's just supporting Traditional American Values.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

Erect scary bogeymen, wave flag, cheer the troops, call it "defense", sell yellow ribbons.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
28. Here's a bit from BernieSanders.com
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016
https://berniesanders.com/sanders-outlines-middle-east-policy/

But peace also means security for every Palestinian. It means achieving self-determination, civil rights, and economic well-being for the Palestinian people.

Peace will mean ending what amounts to the occupation of Palestinian territory, establishing mutually agreed upon borders, and pulling back settlements in the West Bank, just as Israel did in Gaza – once considered an unthinkable move on Israel’s part.

That is why I join much of the international community, including the U.S. State Department and European Union, in voicing my concern that Israel’s recent expropriation of an additional 579 acres of land in the West Bank undermines the peace process and, ultimately, Israeli security as well.

It is absurd for elements within the Netanyahu government to suggest that building more settlements in the West Bank is the appropriate response to the most recent violence. It is also not acceptable that the Netanyahu government decided to withhold hundreds of millions of Shekels in tax revenue from the Palestinians, which it is supposed to collect on their behalf.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
17. You do realize the ME has been a violent place for millennia?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

The only real crime would be to ignore the threats to innocent lives, refuse to help our friends & allies, and do nothing when confronted with evil.

The GOP, Trump and his minions are among the evil. Hillary Clinton is and has always been the best equipped & qualified to confront them.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
31. Clinton actually supplied weapons to Al-Qaeda
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

not just once, either... she did it in both Libya and Syria.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
32. And isolationists like Sanders and Trump would have given them Libya ... as well as Syria.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:29 PM
May 2016

Still would.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
33. Do you live in an alternate reality?
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

Al-Qaeda wasn't a significant factor in either country UNTIL Clinton made them so.

She is singularly responsible for it - they don't call Libya "Hillary's War" for nothing.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
34. You must've woken into this world wondering where Spock's bread was.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

Republicans and other irrational Clinton haters spend an inordinate amount of time coming up with pretzel logic to take today's problems - which have been brewing for decades - and lay them at the feet of Hillary Clinton, or today's hated Democrat du jour.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
36. This is the actual experience she's running on!
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to make up your own facts.

The war on Libya is the centerpiece of her resume-focused campaign, and she couldn't be more proud of it.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
38. Your pining for the wonderful days of Gaddafi doesn't change the ludicrousness of your position.
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

That Sanders fans keep trying to spin the death of a terrorist & murderer of American citizens as a bad thing is beyond my comprehension.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
39. You are openly favoring ISIS and Al Qaeda over Qadafi
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

It is absolutely extraordinary the lengths to which you are going to try to excuse Clinton's actions.

Breathtaking, even. This is George W. Bush type stuff you're spewing here. Rah rah Saddam is a bad man invasion good!

I'm in holy cow I can't even believe I am seeing this here territory. Mind-blowing.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
40. Pretending there is a pure & wonderful solution in either situation is moronically simplistic.
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

Any informed person would realize that the removal of Gaddafi from power is something Clinton and the Obama Administration are deservedly proud of.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
41. Both are offspring of Saudi Wahabbi extremism, petrodollars, Pakistani military training, and our
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

refusal to interfere in their establishment and metastasis. These movements don't grow without money, a lot of it, and the US simply doesn't get in the way of international investment capital, even in terrorism. It's because we have been the world leading beneficiaries of both.

You're right, it does boil down to an attitude, and an economic philosphy. The same French word applies to both: Laissez faire.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Funny how she has shown restraint in the recent airline incident, Benghazi, etc. Not Trump or GOP.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016
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