I am going to say it again, as a Democrat, wanting to win the GE.

[seabeyond]

I feel good about where we are. We have had quite an eventful, sometimes insightful, lots of lessons, primary. I remember that some gatherings of voters are the political interested, that so many voters in the nation are totally clueless about. I have to remind myself, as I am so immersed in every little nook and cranny of the Democratic primary, it is not what most voters see.

Drawing to the end of our primary, I see that it all fits well, and in place, giving us a strong campaign forward. I am very optimistic with what I see. Clinton has held to integrity and grace. That takes a person a long way, and holds true thru out. I think once she is center stage, running for the presidency, she will be able to brush of a lot of the attacks, from Sanders and Trump, that has the uninformed easily being effected. Campaigns do this for a reason. It is effective with some voters. But, I have the faith in this nation, that a lot of us are beyond that silliness.

I look at 2008 and the PUMA, and look at the situation with the PUMA 2016. From polls and numbers they are a smaller amount, and the 2008 was not effective.

I look at Obama, and when I mention integrity/grace taking a person a long way, I think of Obama. He is an excellent example. And Clinton is just as capable.

Sanders supporters demand Clinton reach out. After the noise is gone, they will see she has always, and will always, be reaching out to them, speaking to them.

I feel really good where we sit as Democrats.

[dchill]

1. What a fantasy you're having!

[seabeyond]

3. We will see who is proved out. This is what I feel, I never said, what is. There is fantasy

like free college and free health care, with a Repug congress and a nation split on this and looking at the facts today to see the possibility of tomorrow. Fluid and open to shifts.

[Thinkingabout]

2. I might add, there is a big difference in the GE in 2008 ad 2016, the GOP did not present a Trump

as their nominee, so being a PUMA in 2008 was not the right decision but we have a much better reason for showing up in November and voting for the DNC nominee that in 2016. The thought of having Trump as president is a night mare, who knows what he is going to say next. He is a loose screw, never know which fan he is going to hit next.

[seabeyond]

8. Most will see the Supreme Court as the biggest or at least, an important issue.

When mentioned here, we are told repeatedly, .... meh. More important things. That isn't the real world. Most of us recognize the important of laws forced on us from the right.

Also, 2008 interesting because electable McCain chose unelectable Palin. Isn't that a hoot. So though different, the same too. It shows us how this pans out, putting up a cartoon for a candidate.

[Thinkingabout]

23. I have disliked GOP candidates before but this one has to the be the one which should scare

everyone. He plays to the old Dixiecrats who uses hate to give them fuel to make it through the day.

[seabeyond]

24. I have not even shifted to Trump, but here things here and there. My focus has been

solely the primary so I understand how we got here. But.... I am looking forward to watching how this man does his campaign. I think he will misstep repeatedly. Again, once the Democratic primary can be put behind.

As much as anything, I see the opportunity in seeing who we are as a nation. Lol. I really am confident Trump will not be president. I am not concerned at this point. If that shift, then ya.... But we have not even really started.

[Autumn]

4. Wow.

[cali]

15. Yikes.

[TheKentuckian]

5. The plane, boss. The plane!

I am your host...Mr. Roarke.

Just words I'm accustomed to hearing before settling down to an episode of Fantasy Island.

[dchill]

14. Then there's Gilligan's Island...

They couldn't seem to get rescued, like ever.

[BootinUp]

6. Hillary learned a lot from 2008. She is staying above the fray

and yes, that is important, and bodes well for a strong D party in November.

[seabeyond]

10. Yes. I was Obama and from that side, I was not impressed with her campaign. I have been impressed

with her campaign in 2016. Truly, almost flawless and she does not get nearly the credit.

[SheenaR]

7. There's a lot of optimism hwre

And it's well written. But it's easy to handle things with grace when your surrogates are out wreaking the havoc. She is in charge of that. That's not integrity or grace.

The potential for a good OP was here but it turned into a "quiet now, We know what's best for the rest of you".

[seabeyond]

11. Mostly, I think her campaign as a whole has been professional. And thank you. For saying it nicely.

[SheenaR]

13. It's one of those things

We think your side has been very unfair and vice versa.

We have disagreed plenty, but if more people took to the tone of your OP, DU would be a better place at the moment.

Disagree but DU Rec from me

[seabeyond]

16. I have been here over a decade and I have spent a lot of real time, with a lot of good people that

simply see things differently from me.

I hear ya. I do not feel good, about them not feeling good. For sure.

[dchill]

17. ^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

[BootinUp]

19. I haven't seen any of her campaign staff taking a hard line

against Bernie's decision to stay in the race, or even directly responding to his recent attacks on her or the party.

[seabeyond]

32. Clinton and team have coddled Sanders as he has been a spitting bull. Nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. I am going to say it again... I have never been sicker to my stomach than

I am right now. We've lost our way, and we're trying to pretend it's okay...

...and it's not. That is all I've got. I don't play the spin game. Take care sea.

[seabeyond]

12. And Screaming, I love you. I do. You are a pal in my heart.... for lots of years.

I am sorry you feel this way.

[asuhornets]

18. I concur...nt

[seabeyond]

20. I love that word. LOl. Certain words thrill me and I always liked that word, but

have stopped using it for whatever reason.

See, fun in digressing.

[aikoaiko]

21. Maybe, but you're ignoring some important differences between 2008 PUMAs and 2016 Bernie of Busters,

The 2008 HRC PUMAs were essentially comprised of party loyalists who had to admit that Obama was a much better candidate than HRC.

The 2016 Bernie or Bust-types are essentially comprised of independents who will be voting or staying away from the polls based on issues.

[seabeyond]

22. I feel they are LIbertarians, baggers and repugs that wouldn't vote for Clinton for anything, simply

because of their misogyny. Again, not worth the time and effort when there is no reward.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Unicorns and Rainbows

and turtles all the way down.

[Scootaloo]

26. Could you provide basis for this assertion?

Sanders supporters demand Clinton reach out. After the noise is gone, they will see she has always, and will always, be reaching out to them, speaking to them.

'Cause here's the thing... We're not seeing it.

[seabeyond]

27. This is a possibility that I can see happening. Nt.

[Scootaloo]

28. Ah. You phrased it as a current occurrance

So far everything indicates Clinton will continue her pattern of taking the left for granted - at least where she isn't actively undermining it - and will continue her appeals to Republicans instead.

[seabeyond]

29. Simply her progressive positions is reach out. She has been respectful to Sanders and his supporters

Am I going to try and convince you? No Scoot, we already had this conversation.

[lunamagica]

30. Beautifully said, Seabeyond. I agree with you. The fact that 71% of Sanders supporters say they will

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vote for Hillary -this before a Sanders endorsement- makes me feel good about the future.

[Nay]

31. As a Sanders supporter, I will reluctantly vote for Clinton in November. However,

I will take no responsibility for the shit show to follow. I actually think that that utter imbecility, Trump, may win the presidency. Even if he does not, I expect the country to limp along in the same manner of the last 8 years, and in 15 years, I expect environmental conditions to deteriorate to the point where we will actually see people wake up. But it'll be too late. Because we have no leadership on this issue today, we will be totally unprepared when it hits.

[seabeyond]

34. As a Clinton supporter, I would have reluctantly voted for Sander and the same as you,

Not taken responsibility for his lack of knowledge and inability to get things done and work with others.

[seabeyond]

33. Thank you. It certainly puts it into perspective. Less than the PUMA of 2008. Reality check. Nt