So Hillarians are now "Gaslighting" Bernie Supporters!

[TheSarcastinator]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by azurnoir (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

Calling them "insane" and "delusional" for pointing out the lies and deceptions ("chair throwing", anyone?) directed against them.

Let's be clear about this: Team Clinton is full of manipulators and is now using the tactics of emotional abuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of mental abuse in which a victim is manipulated into doubting their own memory, perception and sanity.[1][2] Instances may range from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.

On edit:

Gaslighting thread example one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512026505

Example two: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512027540

There are more -- this is a planned tactic of mental abuse.

[leveymg]

1. It's a mode of totalitarian governance by illusion and fear. Read 1984.

[Ferd Berfel]

55. Republcans have been using it for decades

It's just take this long for the Republican-lite crowd to pick it up.

[Peace Patriot]

60. !

Yup.

[reddread]

2. while flaunting classist attitudes about other Americans

its pretty clear where they are coming from.
the 1%.
one thin dime.

[TheSarcastinator]

6. thanks for the example

All Bernie supporters are mentally ill, got it, thanks.

[COLGATE4]

9. Don't forget that all posts reminding Bernie supporters that,

mathematically speaking he has no viable chance to win the nomination are gaslighting.

[COLGATE4]

17. Do you also engage in amateur psychology in your spare time?

One piece of advice- don't quit your day job.

[Peace Patriot]

66. "Mathematically speaking," Clinton supporters are in a minority in this country...

...and poll after poll after poll have shown she has little or no crossover appeal, while large portions of the electorate actively dislike and distrust her.

The Democratic Party primary process has been measuring an overly narrow demographic--registered Democrats--only about half of whom support Clinton. In the bigger world--where Independents have become the majority--she does poorly. And that is why Sanders has done so much better in open primaries and caucuses, where wider participation (open primaries) and active participation (caucuses) are encouraged.

Also, "mathematically speaking," Sanders demolishes Trump in ALL match-up polls--has been doing so since January and is doing so NOW--while Clinton has struggled against Trump and is now even losing to Trump.

When you look at "the math," you need to look at all of the math or your conclusions will be invalid. And how about "the math" that hasn't been counting the voters represented by caucus participants (thus giving Clinton a deceptively large "popular vote" vs Sanders), or "the math" in Oregon (the numbers that show a Sanders blowout, that have been suppressed, i.e., NOT reported by the Corrupt Media). Or how about "the math" that has been combining super-delegates with pledged (voted upon) delegates, to give Clinton a super-inflated delegate number, to discourage Sanders voters?

Feel "the math"! The real math, that is.

[TheBlackAdder]

37. I find it ironic that a closed-order mason would make that statement.

[CobaltBlue]

4. TheSarcastinator—Yes. This is the party trying to control their voters.

And we will find out whether they succeed or fail.

One thing I am certain of: The business of Democratic Party politics has the currently empowered fearing having to make changes.

When a powerful faction fights against change, they do damage to the party. And they can actually cause the party to lose a winnable presidential election.

[reformist2]

5. Ask for a recount - even just in one county in one state, and they are the ones who go crazy!

[Demsrule86]

67. In a primary...which honestly does not matter at this point

A recount is ridiculous and expensive...I think some of you are going a bit off the deep end here. God knows, I know how hard it can be for your chosen candidate to lose a primary...but come on, what is the point of all this drama?

[polly7]

7. Yep.

Been there, I recognize it very easily. It's usually done by narcissists with no empathy, not even the least little bit of desire to understand why suffering people, people disgusted with pay-to-play politics, perpetual war, etc., so use their bloviating - lying 'gaslighting' tactics to dismiss, instill fear and demoralize. And all the while think they're so clever and funny.

But they do show themselves. And those they're using this against eventually realize what's going on and tell them to go * themselves.

[TheSarcastinator]

10. "narcissists with no empathy"

is exactly right.

[oregonjen]

8. In Portland, one former progressive radio host is trashing Thom Hartmann

He's claiming Thom and Bernie secretly want Trump to win, so the US bottoms out. I don't know if it's okay to post a link because it's from his personal FB page, but I can tell you he's really gone nutty. He is trying to make us second guess our opinions about both of them.

[patsimp]

11. look in the mirror

[sufrommich]

12. This is totally not another kooky conspiracy theory. nt

[reddread]

21. just an old political dirty trick

I hope they arent paying top dollar for these recycled cliches.
ah hell, theyre billionaires, they definitely aint paying top dollar.

[NCTraveler]

13. You are not a victim in this process therefore it cannot be gaslighting. Nt

[vintx]

47. Thanks for another example. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. it's go-to tactic #1.

"Misogyny!" "Racists!" "Violent peaceniks!" "Privileged bolsheviks!"

It doesn't have to pass a giggle test, because Clinton shills are paid enough to put on the serious face before they turn on the tv cameras.

[dlwickham]

35. Then where's my check

I guess the campaign is behind on its payments to us shills

[TheKentuckian]

49. Some just play for the love of the game. It's okay, only a very select few make it to the pro level.

Just because one is an amateur doesn't mean they don't play just as hard or even is without significant talent. Sometimes it is just not getting the right break at the right time, didn't have the right tutelage, or just not quite enough commitment to put it above all else.

You may still get called up but in this game, part of being successful is to never admit you're a professional so we won't really know if you make the league or already have or not.

[djean111]

16. On the bright side, I am trying, and failing, to imagine caring even a wee bit less about

what Hillary's supporters think.

It is all about the issues.
And for me, Hillary fails miserably on so many of the issues that affect actual people.

All the other stuff is just the sound of swamp gas bubbles popping. Anyone ever been to the thermal mud pools in Rotorua? Sort of just exactly like that.

[Luminous Animal]

57. I've been to Rotorua. Wonderful place. It gave the the giggles.

[djean111]

63. My boyfriend was filming me standing in front of a mud pool.

He was standing up on a rise, looking down. All of a sudden there was a lot of popping and glugging and then a big cloud of mist, like steam, completely hid me and the mud pool. I was saying, um, Larry, I think something is gonna blow, here....he got it all on his camcorder. Very interesting place. And fragrant. Have some film of me standing a bit nervously in front of a glacier, too, among the rocks and ice chunks, saying, um, I don't think these rocks and ice chunks were arranged here by the park rangers......

New Zealand is pretty much fantastic.

[hrmjustin]

18. Maybe you should take a few days off of DU if Du is getting to you.

[polly7]

19. Speaking truth isn't saying something is 'getting to you'.

But good try.

[hrmjustin]

22. Truth huh.

[polly7]

23. Yeah, truth ... eh. What's wrong, you don't like seeing it? nt.

[hrmjustin]

24. Oh the truth can sting sometimes.

But i don't take DU as seriously as I used to.

The peer pressure here is just so sad.

[polly7]

25. 'Peer pressure'?

You really let what others say get to you that much, and yet you're telling someone they might want to take a break for simply stating what's been happening here and is obvious to anyone who even knows what gaslighting means?

Ironic.

[hrmjustin]

26. I used to let it get to me.

Know I understand the game here more.

[polly7]

28. Just as the OP is stating they do. nt.

[hrmjustin]

30. Sanders supporters here are no saints.

[polly7]

34. Why should they be??? nt.

[hrmjustin]

36. I never asked them to be. But before you guys condemn our behavior look at your own.

[polly7]

39. They react to what they're given. People eventually do that, and they should. nt.

[hrmjustin]

41. That is exactly how we felt.

[polly7]

43. Really? Why? I watched this whole thing from the start.

Sanders was from day one called every ugly name in the book, as were his supporters - because he 'dared' to run and disrupt the already chosen one's easy road to the nomination. They responded by sticking to the issues and pointing out Clinton's truths - which were taken as 'attacking', sexist!, and all the other crap designed to avoid discussing those actual issues.

Don't play victim. It was clear exactly what was going on.

[hrmjustin]

48. Maybe you guys can ask Sanders for hazard pay for having to deal with us.

[PufPuf23]

20. Gas lighting by Clinton supporters has been going on for months here at DU.

There are some posters that gas light in a majority of their posts and are cheered by others.

[oasis]

27. "Hillarians"??. Good way to begin a persuasive argument.

[senz]

42. "Bernie Bros?" How many months have we heard that?

[oasis]

61. And your first reaction was to give serious consideration to anything

those posters had to contribute?

[senz]

62. What are you talking about?

[oasis]

64. Name calling doesn't help if one wishes to be taken seriously.

"Hillarians". If you believe that's the proper usage for serious discussion, then I can see why you don't know what I'm talking about.

[senz]

68. Oh, like "Bernie Bros?"

That was name calling on steroids.

Pot. Kettle.

Pfft. Don't waste my time.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. It's not gaslighthing it's just smearing and ratfucking nastiness.

Sometimes a crank is just a crank.

[lumberjack_jeff]

38. Good point. Gaslighting implies that a rational person say "maybe they did throw that chair?"

Rational people can see the video and believe their eyes. Everyone else just repeats the David Brock narrative. It's less gaslighting than it is virtue signaling; you're only a good liberal if you believe and repeat the lie - despite the fact that you can see that it's bullshit.

[apcalc]

31. Just ignore,....it' s probably Trump trolls trying to incite Sanders supporters.

[workinclasszero]

32. Sure ok whatever

Hillary fans have been called employees of Brock, wall street lackeys and tools of the Oligarchy, just to name a few.

What form of mental abuse would you call all those lies?

[hootinholler]

33. NOW????

They have been from the start!

Not Good Enough Bernie! Was the first one I really noticed, but then again, I'm often a little slow on the uptake.

[senz]

40. K&R -- Thank you for pointing this out!

[Scuba]

44. I was called "delusional" just today by someone who added that Hillary does not lie.

Hilarious.

[stillwaiting]

54. Oh, she's the one human that doesn't lie! That's amazing. We are so lucky!!

Of course, when judging someone as a "liar" that individual usually has a ridiculous trail of prevarications and falsehoods to substantiate giving them that label.

In HRC's case, it seems like many Americans do not trust her. Many Americans. I wonder why that might be? Especially if Hillary NEVER lies.

Curious.

[Henhouse]

45. Amazing...The O/P accuses "hillarians" of mental and emotional abuse

and the posts stays but a commenter makes a snarky reply to a obviousley rude, disruptive post and he/she gets a hide. Gotta love the jury system....

[randome]

46. Translation: we're important, goddamnit!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[hrmjustin]

50. Thread winner!

[workinclasszero]

51. LOL

[JoePhilly]

59. LOL!!

[Jack Bone]

52. So glad that Hillary's here to bring us TOGETHER...

nt

[LonePirate]

53. Since when does politics follow the rules of kindergarten?

If supporters of one candidate do not like what supporters of another candidate are saying, then sling the mud right back. Don't whine about it. Put your fingers to the keyboard and give as good as you are getting.

[randome]

58. They think it's like this:

But it's really more like this:



When it should be like this:



Except for the girl-picking-her-nose part. Just ignore that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[frylock]

56. Now?

They've been pulling this crap since jump.

[Vinca]

65. Then they're fools. She doesn't win the general election without Bernie voters.

[azurnoir]

69. Locking as disruptive meta per Host consensus