2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHe's never had a negative ad run against him on his life
Oh really? Guess being elected time and time again was just luck.
cali
(114,904 posts)Heated Vermont Senate Race Blankets Airwaves
In the race to succeed Vermont Sen. Jim Jeffords, self-made millionaire Richard Tarrant is shoveling piles of money into TV ads attacking his opponent, independent Bernie Sanders. And Sanders is firing back. The result: media saturation in a state so small that 200,000 votes would be a landslide win.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6137684
Corporate666
(587 posts)Response to Corporate666 (Reply #50)
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Corporate666
(587 posts)The simple facts are
-His foreign policy positions are unpopular with the majority of Americans
-Most people don't realize he wants to raise their taxes
-The number of holes and false promises in his "free shit for everyone" platform would be highlighted by the GOP
...and he would never get elected. He hasn't faced that sort of criticism from HRC. She's been polite. Overly polite, IMO. She should have put him away months ago but she was trying not to make too many waves in the party. It came back to bite her in the ass. Now she's just running the clock and trying to ignore his tantrums but she's in a difficult position - if she puts him away now, she looks like a sore winner and if she doesn't, Bernie keeps turning up the volume on his petulance.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And she wonders why we find her so untrustworthy
cali
(114,904 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)between her a Bill.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)funded by billions of dirty GOP money, if he were the Democratic nominee for President. Not saying Bernie wouldn't be able to fight his way through it and win, but to compare a Vermont senatorial race against a relative unknown with a presidential race against the most loathsome political machine in modern history is foolish. That's why comparing matchup polls against Trump at this point in the game is also fairly pointless.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Comparing his and Hillary's polling against Drumpf at this stage is just plain silly. Nothing but ginning up a "horse-race" by the MSM.
Rex
(65,616 posts)A few of you are doing this, so you have no credentials...all you demonstrate is that you are on the same level as some fanatical BS supporters.
I guess that is how you want to be viewed.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Answer yes or no please
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Like any gentleman offering his chair to a lady might do.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)...someone wrestled the chair out of his hands, it wasn't like he had a bad idea and calmly changed his mind. Someone grabbed the chair and yelled at him to cut it out.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Apparently not. He gave no resistance. No one "wrested" the chair out of his hands. They walked up and merely took it. He accepted the hug willingly.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Get over it.
KPN
(15,643 posts)So what else have they got? Certainly not that he's opposed to the "establishment corruption";
no major scandals for running on decades; no experience/history championing free trade deals like NAFTA and the TPP, biased criminal sentencing measures, to banking deregulation; no imperialistic interventionism. and more.
By comparison, Trump and the GOP will easily paint Hillary as Obamas third term while indicting her interventionist foreign policy, support of corporate trade deals, and funding ties with Wall Street -- not to mention her endless flip-flops, endless scandals, and $265,000 speeches to Wall Street bankers. He won't even have to mention "transcripts"!
Hillary has chosen to run as the candidate of continuity when voters are looking for change. She champions "incremental reform" while voters - particularly the young voters who have the most to lose via incremental change -- demand more. She presents herself and is more hawkish than Obama when voters are weary of never ending wars that result from interventionism. Bernie is clearly the better candidate, the "socialism/communism" labels notwithstanding.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)questioning whether he's a Real American. The lack of endorsements from Democratic congresspeople and senators, Burlington College, campaign donations, not a Christian ...
These are the people who questioned the patriotism of a man who lost three limbs in Vietnam, and successfully changed their followers' view of John Kerry from a principled man who opposed a war he experienced firsthand into a whiny crybaby who got a few scratches (never mind that he was still carrying around shrapnel from those "scratches", and that people who actually served with him testified to his bravery and integrity). These are the people who let the whispers that Obama was a secret Kenyan Muslim take on a life of their own. These are the kind of people who've been hounding Hillary Clinton since the 1990s - remember Whitewater? the White House travel scandal?
No, Sanders hasn't been in the arena when the gloves are off. Remember, truth is not an obstacle to GOP dirty tricks.
KPN
(15,643 posts)They will have no impact on his broad base of supporters. Sanders has a broader base than Hillary or Trump. That's not going to change.
If you think Hillary is a stronger candidate in the face of GOP onslaught, you are fooling yourself.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)It was a big deal for part of the 1992 campaign.
People need to get over thinking a trip to the Soviet Union means someone is a Communist.
I went with a group to Leningrad and Moscow in 1976, and when he learned of my upcoming trip, my older brother who had some sort of job that required a security clearance pitched a fit telling me I could cost him his job. I laughed in his face, and said if the government was that stupid, he should look for work elsewhere.
Needless to say, he did not lose his job. I sincerely doubt our government had any clue that his sister went to the evil empire. Even though we have the same, somewhat uncommon last name.
Of course, those who think foreign travel implies something bad, are often those who never travel outside their own county in the first place.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)Of course, those who think foreign travel implies something bad, are often those who never travel outside their own county in the first place.
I think those are called Trump voters. I think people in national politics need some time abroad, if only to see a little of the world from a different perspective. But then I'm not planning to engage in Rovarian smear tactics.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)with all the ammo they've been building up for decades. It's their dream scenario, finally to unleash it all.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I'm impressed!
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Didn't work out very well for the right-wing, did it?
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)You don't think Bernie Sanders' been vetted? You don't think this one long year of campaign, your campaign against him, has vetted him?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON:
Let me say that I don't think he's had a single negative ad ever run against him. And that's fine.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-22-2016-n578291
YMMV
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Ads were negative
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)That ad is hilarious, because there's no way it brings anyone to her side. It's like they meant for it to be low hanging fruit.
dsc
(52,161 posts)if so where. I would like dates, locations dollars spent etc.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)And Hillary was right, no one has bothered to fund negative ads against Sanders because he has never been a threat to her getting the nomination, only to her unifying the party.
As this article points out, there are MANY angles of attack that could have totally brought Sanders down. I wonder if it might be time for some Democrats to bring them up:
Too Easy: How Republicans Would Tear Apart an Unvetted Bernie Sanders in the General Election
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/5/19/this-ends-now-the-bernie-sanders-opposition-research-the-media-refuses-to-release
cali
(114,904 posts)And who swallow the silly lies that hilly utters day in and day out.
TimPlo
(443 posts)Is that Clinton sucks at organizing a group of people to win a election. That she can only run things that are lies, like calling Sanders Racist right before SC primary? She sucks at finding people that are smart enough to find stuff to run against Sanders but Trump is smarter than her and will be able to vet Sanders better than HRC could?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)and, although I don't remember much of it now, I doubt it was all positive.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)riversedge
(70,205 posts)Chuck Todd and Hillary were discussing this primary season when that comment was made and your
OP talking about him running as a Senator was not the context.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/hillary-clinton-questions-trump-s-level-success-n578246
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Gee, I wonder why that is.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)There's no poop to hurl.
Bernie's clean.