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Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:12 PM May 2016

If recent polls showing Bernie's strengths against Trump...

....and Hillary's inherent weakness don't sway super delegates, what is the point of having them?

Furthermore, if Bernie wins California and the convention isn't contested, what's the point of even having a convention?

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If recent polls showing Bernie's strengths against Trump... (Original Post) Joe the Revelator May 2016 OP
Because those polls don't tell the whole story. There's no way those #s hold up under attack. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1
I'd rather take the wildcard with the 15 point lead, then the known quantity who is losing to Joe the Revelator May 2016 #4
It's a good thing it's not up to you then. griffi94 May 2016 #6
So nothing matters when it comes to nominating the strongest candidate? I refer you back.. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #8
What matters is who has the most delegates griffi94 May 2016 #9
You're so shortsited Joe the Revelator May 2016 #14
Now THOSE are some good questions yourpaljoey May 2016 #2
Debbie answered that. I paraphrase, but it went something like this Exilednight May 2016 #3
What a leader she is. Joe the Revelator May 2016 #5
There are so many other nouns that could be used instead of "leader" . . . . . pdsimdars May 2016 #12
I cannot believe she is so stupid, as to admit that...and yet she did. Rex May 2016 #7
They know its HS, we know its HS and you know its HS workinclasszero May 2016 #10
so they would rather make it personal then to stay in power? Joe the Revelator May 2016 #15
HS equals Horsepoo workinclasszero May 2016 #17
And as Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out in that video someone posted last week pdsimdars May 2016 #11
That did shock me, I never knew that about HRC before. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #16
I agree and I also had the idea that the FBI should be motivated to do it BEFORE the convention pdsimdars May 2016 #18
Turn that around. The fact that superdelegates are supporting the weaker candidate... lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #13

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
6. It's a good thing it's not up to you then.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

Hillary wins because more voters voted for her.
Millions more.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
8. So nothing matters when it comes to nominating the strongest candidate? I refer you back..
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

....to my original question. If that is the case, why even have Super Delegates or a convention?

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
9. What matters is who has the most delegates
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

If Bernie had the most pledged delegates...the SDs would vote for him.

As to why the party has them.
You'll have to ask the party.

In this instance they're only going to confirm what the
primaries and pledged delegates already show.

That Hillary was the preferred candidate of the majority.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
14. You're so shortsited
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:21 PM
May 2016

Do you want to win the GE or not? That's the only question that matters.

And again, if the SD's can't protect against a weak GE candidate, what purpose do they serve??

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
3. Debbie answered that. I paraphrase, but it went something like this
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:15 PM
May 2016

Super Delegates are part of the system to ensure a outside candidate doesn't win against the establishment.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. I cannot believe she is so stupid, as to admit that...and yet she did.
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016

She also loves predatory capitalism and the system in which it is used to keep the working poor from any kind of upward mobility.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
10. They know its HS, we know its HS and you know its HS
Sun May 22, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

Plus the supers have been harassed for months by berners callin them whores and a menace to democracy, not to mention the death threats.

I just don't think they are ready to unite with those folks, call me crazy I guess.

Bernie's done.

Put a fork in him.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
11. And as Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out in that video someone posted last week
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

He looked over Hillary's entire election history. . .all the polls for every race and pointed out that she starts out high in the polls and when she starts to sink, she has NEVER been able to turn that around. In the races she won, it was because her opponent didn't have time to catch up, they were going up and she was coming down and the election was over before they got ahead.

But Trump is already ahead of her and we aren't even at the GE yet.

Do people REALLY want a Dem in the WH? If so, you better start feeling the Bern and make him the nominee or it will be President Trump.


Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
16. That did shock me, I never knew that about HRC before.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

I saw the same program.

The supers exist to make sure that the Primary process doesn't choose a nominee who can't win the General Election -- exactly the situation we have now. They had better do their job this time, or there will be a problem -- Trump will win the WH. We will find out who is really concerned about Trump, and who is just trying to use fear of him to corral votes.

Her polls will probably continue to slip as O'Donnell showed, until the convention (when the supers vote), so the issue should be pretty clear to the SDs by then. Add to that, whenever the FBI chooses to weigh in, that will cause a further drop. If the FBI doesn't speak up beforehand, Trump will inform the public about it all, after we no longer have Bernie as a safety net.

Although it's a rough way to do it, we're about to find out if any of the Supers have character.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
18. I agree and I also had the idea that the FBI should be motivated to do it BEFORE the convention
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

Because at the convention Hillary may become the nominee, that means she could become the president. And, as president, she could get vengence on them for doing what they did and knowing what they know. She'd want to re-shuffle that whole deck of cards. So they need to do it to squelch her nomination. Let's hope.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
13. Turn that around. The fact that superdelegates are supporting the weaker candidate...
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

... proves that the real point of them is something other than assuring we nominate an electable one.

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