Politifact: Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention UNFOUNDED

[SFnomad]

FOR THE RECORD:
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

[hrmjustin]

1. Good! Bernie lost Nevada and his supporters need to get over it.

[think]

2. They completely ignored the claims of Erin Bilbray, a member of the executive committee. Sad...

[itsrobert]

3. 58 Bernie Delegates were not registered Democrats

There was fraud, and committed by the Bernie campaign.

[uponit7771]

12. +1, didn't one person on DU admit to un-registering as a dem some time this year?

[TwilightZone]

17. It was on reddit in the Sanders for Nevada group.

The guy said he got pissed off at the perceived "theft" of NY and switched his registration in a fit of pique.

[joshcryer]

20. Yes, but there were two threads here, totaling 600 recs...

...championing leaving the party.

[TwilightZone]

21. Maybe he took it to heart.

Maybe some of the other 57 took it to heart, as well, changed their registrations, and helped screw things up for Sanders in Nevada.

Or maybe some of the 400+ who didn't even bother to show up had changed theirs, as well, so they knew they were ineligible and didn't bother to go.

That would be ironic.

[joshcryer]

22. 1% taking it to heart seems plausible.

I think, actually, that's why Sanders camp couldn't get everyone to come, too many people knew they couldn't prove their registration. That's why before it even started there was a speech given to shut it down.

[Corporate666]

25. Wasn't the issue registrations AND addresses?

The large number of people who showed up to the 2nd level meeting seems to have been an organized effort by the Sanders reddit group among other forums where Berniebros hang out and formulate plans to bend the outcome to their favor.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some out-of-state Sanders supporters represented themselves as viable choices or if some of them weren't registers dems at all.

In other words, Sanderistas keep saying "if they were illegitimate, they wouldn't have been selected at the 2nd level" - but how do these people know what level of checking was done at the 2nd level? Presumably the HRC campaign didn't like that the BS'ers were trying to wrest the win from her and decided to triple check everyone for round 3. Furthermore, how do the BS'ers complaining about events in NV know that the people who showed up were even the actual delegates? I mean, let's say they find some of their delegates either aren't going to show, or are no longer registered as democrats. They send someone else along who shows up and says "Yep, I am Bob Smith, the delegate", but he has no ID or can't verify his address?

The idea that the BS supporters would be above doing such a thing is laughable.

In summary, the assumption that those excluded were done so illegitimately is a foolish assumption.

[Shemp Howard]

4. That contradicts the actual video.

The chair of the Nevada Democratic party did not run that meeting in a fair and neutral manner. But Politifact thinks otherwise. Sorry Politifact, but I'll take the actual video over your spin.

[CorporatistNation]

39. Politi"fact" Is A BullShit ESTABLISHMENT PROPAGANDA OUTFIT Out Of The Tampa Bay Times

which is in actuality a RIGHT WING RAG that lies about candidates all the time... In particular... ANYONE WHO IS PROGRESSIVE! A completely corrupt outfit that cannot be trusted to print the truth even if you hand it to the reporter in writing. Asa candidate for congress I learned this early after getting burned by "shorthand" taking reporters. However, even when you provide written policy they will still write whatever the F they want. This nonsense that the Politi"fact" outfit is spewing is just a defensive play for the ESTABLISHMENT democratic Party Apparatchiks to soothe the worries of the large number of rank and file Democrats who want some authority to make this bad news go away so that they don't have to be upset about those actual videos that show EXACTLY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!.

[riversedge]

43. yeah yeah. we know. its rigged

[That Guy 888]

5. Snopes: A Las Vegas reporter's second-hand claim Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs at a Nevada.

Claim: Angry Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs during an adversarial Nevada Democrat convention in May 2016.

FALSE

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[SFnomad]

8. For the record: Not thrown, but picked up and wielded in a menacing manner.

Posted by Surya Gayatri
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028624#post6

Fortunately, removed from the would-be thrower's hands before anyone could be injured.

The video has gone viral.

[That Guy 888]

13. Nope Clinton supporters have sworn up and down DU that multiple chairs were thrown.

Breathless panic-mongering about those violent Bernie-Bros and their Nevada riot. Frightening poor Senator Boxer into giving them the finger.

Now that it's been proven to be lies, Clinton supporters want to tell us the latest version of their "truth".

Sorry, I still believe my lying eyes over you.

[TwilightZone]

18. Lack of proof doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Unless you have video from all angles at all times, making a blanket statement that something didn't happen is misguided, at best.

If someone gets murdered and no one is there to see it or took video, is the guy still dead?

[That Guy 888]

19. Lol, murder victims are usually easily proven. Like the lack of thrown chairs at the convention.

Now if you had added "...and their was no body" then you would have something. That would be investigated (depending on the circumstances) as a missing person.

You don't need "video from all angles" to know a convenient political lie. That's as bad as bush's dead-enders claiming that if you
didn't see all of the intelligence from Iraq you couldn't prove that there weren't weapons of mass destruction.

Thanks for playing Bad Analogy, back to the Twilight Zone with you.

[tazkcmo]

28. lol!

I hope you're not a lawyer.

"If someone gets murdered and no one is there to see it or took video, is the guy still dead?"

?????????????????????????????????????

Where's the "body" in the convention? Who got hit by the chair? Where is the victim? No body, no murder.

[hedda_foil]

26. No. Neither wielded nor menacing. Lifted straight up and put straight down.

[Vinca]

6. But the media continues to pimp it for ratings.

Journalism is dead. It's all reality TV.

[WhiteTara]

7. Here comes the bus.

[MH1]

23. With a lot of crunching sounds from all the bodies underneath.

[Aerows]

32. If you support Hillary Clinton

the last thing you want brought up are skeletons.

[Todays_Illusion]

9. The fraud is the false Media driven, Sanders supporters are violent, lie.

[SFnomad]

11. Yeah, and all those voicemail recordings are lies too, right?

The BS cheerleaders acted shamelessly ... it's too bad people like you are apologists for it.

[Todays_Illusion]

40. Why do you believe that when that is a crime and where is the follow up investigation and

identification of the caller(s) who made death threats? Have you no skepticism, about a campaign built on lies and dirty tricks?

[Surya Gayatri]

10. +1! K & R.

[reformist2]

14. I'll believe the video and eyewitness testimony, tyvm. Not "Politifact".

[Electric Monk]

15. Politifact is an arm of the Tampa Bay Times, which recently endorsed Hillary Clinton for president.

This endorsement makes me question the fact checker’s coverage and the choices of statements to be checked. Politifact has given Clinton more than double the attention it has given Sanders — 183 statements from the former compared to 82 statements from the latter.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/04/politifact-gives-clinton-more-than-double-the-cove.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512028624#post15

[Buns_of_Fire]

16. No fraud, no misconduct, no chairs thrown, as a matter of fact the whole convention

never really happened at all. It was just filmed on sound stage 3 at Culver City, as part of a crossover episode of Trump's "The President" reality show on MSNBC with "Those Wacky Clintons!" on Comedy Central.

Somehow, despite both shows being the lowest-rated in their respective network's history, they're both still running. And rumor is that one of them will be renewed for at least four years.

[ucrdem]

24. No fraud or misconduct on the part of the state party. Yes, chairs were apparently thrown:

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/new-video-of-nevada-dem-convention-shows-someone-may-have-been-hit-by-chair/

[hedda_foil]

27. It looks like two photos under different lighting pasted together. Where is this video?

[ucrdem]

29. Direct video links:

From the article linked to in the post just above:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bzo7i_new-video-of-nevada-dem-convention-might-explain-reports-of-chair-throwing_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4bzp7u_nevada-incident-three-views_news

[hedda_foil]

30. Perhaps it's me but I can't find a raised chair in the triptych. One raised and put down in 2-way.

This one looked more like wielding but 4 Sanders supporters surrounded him and made sure the chair was put down immediately. Also, the reporters of rushing the stage are obviously highly exaggerated, as everyone stayed behind a barrier that looks to have been at least 10 feet from the stage and most likely more th a that.

[Aerows]

31. Weren't you one of the biggest cheerleaders

for the "chairs were thrown" nonsense?

Yeah, you are a credible opinionator type sort.

[SFnomad]

33. Bzzzt ... no, I wasn't ... but thanks for playing ... we have wonderful parting gifts for you n/t

[Aerows]

34. I suggest you hold on to them, then

maybe you can get a buck or two from the pawn shop when the fallout abates.

[SFnomad]

35. I'll be around after Secretary Clinton becomes the presumptive nominee

The ones that won't ... no tragic loss.

[Aerows]

36. Always a presumptive nominee

never a President.

[SFnomad]

37. Secretary Clinton will become President ... despite your (and other BS cheerleader's) negativity n/t

[Gothmog]

38. That is a well written article

[Hekate]

41. KnR

[MaeScott]

42. I'll wait for Snopes. Politifact gets it wrong a lot. Plus the video indicates lots of

Shady goings on.