2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI sincerely don't get it.
I don't get why President Obama appointed Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as chair of the DNC when as chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committees Red-to-Blue program in 2008, she refused to support the democrats running against three far right House republicans, in her own bleeping state. Do you have any idea how bad her close friend Ileana Ross-Lehtinin is? The Diaz-Balart brothers are no better. Payday Debbie's lame defense was that endorsing the democratic opponents to these right wingers would be stabbing members of her own delegation in the back. It's made that much worse by the fact that she was, at the time, in charge of helping dems get elected to the House.
I guess i can understand Hillary's support of DWS. She was co-chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign- though she did end up secretly slinking over to the Obama camp while Hillary was still running.
I don't get why any liberal would support her. She takes big bucks from payday lenders and has worked assiduously to protect them from regulation on both the state and federal level, including fighting against Obama's proposal for tighter regulation. She has supported imprisoning medical marijuana users. She gets big bucks from industry traditionally opposed to legalizing medical marijuana.
Someone here suggested that support for DWS is because Sanders supporters bash her. That's a lousy reason to support her. Someone else told me that despite these facts about her, they supported her because Obama endorsed her and that that is reason enough.
DWS has been incompetent as DNC chair. She pushes policy that harms vulnerable populations. Her position, for example, on criminal justice is awful. She's used her position as DNC chair to inappropriately solicit funds for her own PAC and attempted repeatedly to get the DNC to pay for her clothes.
No liberal, no one concerned about corruption, should support her reelection.
https://newrepublic.com/article/121141/debbie-wasserman-schultz-liability-democratic-party
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/19/dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultzs-list-of-enemies-just-keeps-growing/
https://newrepublic.com/article/121141/debbie-wasserman-schultz-liability-democratic-party
http://theslot.jezebel.com/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-opinions-about-weed-are-baffl-1751420822
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512017218http://rewire.news/article/2016/01/07/
http://rewire.news/article/2016/01/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-blames-voters-failures-democratic-party/
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/29/debbie_wasserman_schultz_is_loathed_by_democrats_yet_just_got_a_head_scratching_endorsement_by_obama_here_are_some_guesses_why/
http://washingtonnote.com/venting_about_d/
Response to cali (Original post)
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cali
(114,904 posts)Those are the things I want to call her and do call her.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)If she were, she would have been replaced long ago.
She Failed Upward from Chair of the Red to Blue program to Chair of the DNC
because the people who call those shots (The Democratic Party Power Brokers) LIKE and APPROVE of the job she is doing.
Whatever that "job" is, is up to you to decide, but that job does not benefit the Working Class, The Middle Class, The Poor or The Democratic Party as we once knew it.
Clearly, she makes some powerful people very, very happy.
theaocp
(4,235 posts)Useless? Counterproductive? Those are the words I would use.
Don't be coy about calling Cali misogynistic, please. Obliged.
cali
(114,904 posts)ignored the facts in the op.
QC
(26,371 posts)by being calm, reasonable, civil, and all that.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Apparently they are a protected class.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Her support of predatory lenders is despicable.
cali
(114,904 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)You're welcome.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Truth hurts.
2banon
(7,321 posts)for a rejection by Obama back in 2013 (if memory serves) . gearing up full bore scorched earth against Obama's anticipated rejection with charges of misogyny and anti-semitism.
THAT explains EVERYTHING, imo.
I don't know if I read that in the Common Dreams piece I just posted earlier or if it was in another article. I'll check and post that link here if it helps.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)We also just couldn't get around to telling Lieberman to fuck off until he finally quit on his own. The same people who are demanding that Sanders be shunned will staunchly support Wasserman-Schultz no matter how corrupt a corporate knob she is. If you step back the reasons are obvious. Our party has a right-left fracture. Our right-wing friends are allergic to being labelled "right" so they try to claim "liberal" or "moderate" or even "progressive" as their own, but they are center-right neoliberal third-way new dlc democrats.
Agony
(2,605 posts)sadly
Broward
(1,976 posts)They are right-wingers and should be labeled as such.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)She voted for CAFTA and Newt's contract . . . clear history of republican votes. Halter well liked but may not have survived either.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Seems her goal has been to undermine Democrats at every turn, and she's done that really well.
JI7
(89,244 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)of the voting public.
JI7
(89,244 posts)And is a good candidate regardless of position on issues.
But dws doesn't seem to have any of that going for her.
Do i think her district agrees with her stand on issues and/or she does things for her district like bring funds for things .
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
JI7
(89,244 posts)Are more important when it comes to bring congressperson since they actually vote on issues .
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)does not cause one to become the Chair of their Party. Her positions on many issues are terrible. Here in Oregon she could never get elected as a Democrat.
JI7
(89,244 posts)And she was elected in that Florida district
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Am I missing any other groups?
Quixote1818
(28,927 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)She used to be my Rep once upon a time. She was fine in that capacity.
I didn't necessarily see eye to eye with Howard Dean on every issue, but he was a helluva DNC chair. The same can't be said for Kaine, DWS, or McCauliffe.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,173 posts)Hillary endorses Obama (or at least calls off the PUMAs) in exchange for being named to a prominent position (to keep her name in the public eye) -- AND the endorsement of DWS (one of her True Believers) as new chair of the DNC (to help grease the wheels for 2016).
Just hardball politics at the Grand Master level.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Karma13612
(4,549 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)She won Robert Wexler's old seat. The district (like all districts in SoFla) is a complete gerrymander.
I'm not a big fan of DWS as DNC chair either, and you and I are on opposite sides of the Hillary/Bernie issue. That said, the Ros-Lehtinin/Diaz -Balart dig is misguided. Disagree with their politics all you want, they are wildly popular in South Florida and nothing will change that.
Ros-Lehtinin is the first Cuban- American congresswoman. She sorta holds the seat that once belonged to Claude Pepper. She's married to a Democrat who is also a US Attorney. I'd point out that she was the first Republican in the House to support same sex marriage.
The Diaz-Balart brothers are local boys that done good. Jose was a local news broadcaster in Miami and I believe is now with NBC/Univision. Mario & Lincoln went on to Congress. I may disagree with their policy positions, but like many South Floridians, admire their family's story, and their seeming avoidance of the corruption that is endemic in Miami-Dade politics. Also, both are/were (Lincoln is out of elected politics right now) considered moderate by Republican standards. Bottom line - DWS would have little upside and lots of downside supporting opponents to those seats. To think otherwise is to have a naïve understanding of South Florida politics.
cali
(114,904 posts)I knew Rafael Diaz-Balart when I was a teen. Met him on a prep school trip to the south of Spain.
There is no excuse for someone in charge of electing more dems to the house, refusing to endorse dems in races against republicans.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Perception counts for a lot in politics. You may see them as "local boys of privilege", but most in South Florida do not -- especially the Cuban-American community, which represents a lot of votes.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)2) No one is likely to provide serious opposition
3) Cuban-Americans are part of the DWS voting base.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)IIRC, she was my rep back in '06 when Dean was still chair. I think Wexler resigned to run for Governor.
cali
(114,904 posts)He went to an expensive prep school in CT.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Unlike, for example, the Fanjuls
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I believe it was part of the deal HRC made with BHO in 2008. Hillary needed her in that position.
There can be no other reason why he appointed DWS and kept her on after her miserable performance.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)to make along with Clinton as SoS
DWS has supported Republican over Dems. Now THAT's neo-Dem 'leadership'
grasswire
(50,130 posts)She and her husband are totally corrupt. And FIXERS for the Bush family.
Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)He was the absolute worst choice who lost us the 2010 election . I use to watch him on morning joke and he was a horrible spokesperson for the party obviously put there for a reason or favor ......... He could have been Obama's VP........ yikes
But it got worse.
eridani
(51,907 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The fact is a lot of elections were lost by DWS, including the 2008 one. Why would you hire the person that managed to drive your campaign into the ditch last time, as well as losing senators and governors in the process?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Serious question. Being DNC chair under a Democratic President is thankless, and I'm curious who had shown any sign of being willing to do it?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I think O'Malley might do a good job in the role.
cali
(114,904 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but mostly he's a corporate Dem like Hillary and DWS
MaeScott
(878 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The DNC most likely won't be making a change until November, so we're stuck with her...
After the election, go crazy -- Throw her in jail, feed her to wild dogs, have her drawn and quartered, I don't give a shit...
obamanut2012
(26,064 posts)I don't like her Payday lending stuff.
Her district does, however, like her, and the guy running against her isn't qualified imo, and we don't need anymore noob, unqualified FL Reps in Congress. Run someone good against her, and let her district decide.
She isn't a great DNC head, but she isn't guilty of the ridiculous accusations against her.
However, the vitroil and gendered slurs thrown at her for months have made me.... not side with her exactly, but defend her. The over-the-top dislike and hate is ridiculous.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)flip-floppers for her now are just using her as Hill's proxy.
randome
(34,845 posts)Whatever else DWS is, she's no Joe Lieberman. If she supported Republicans in those cited cases, might it be because the Democrats didn't have viable alternatives? Could it be because those Republicans were moderates and it made sense to bridge the divide between them?
I don't have to have some close-knit relationship with her to know that politics can be a very complicated and messy business. And before I jumped to any conclusion, I'd start off with the baseline assumption that there may have been a reason for her feints and dodges on local politics.
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