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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:39 PM May 2016

I sincerely don't get it.

I don't get why President Obama appointed Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as chair of the DNC when as chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s Red-to-Blue program in 2008, she refused to support the democrats running against three far right House republicans, in her own bleeping state. Do you have any idea how bad her close friend Ileana Ross-Lehtinin is? The Diaz-Balart brothers are no better. Payday Debbie's lame defense was that endorsing the democratic opponents to these right wingers would be stabbing members of her own delegation in the back. It's made that much worse by the fact that she was, at the time, in charge of helping dems get elected to the House.

I guess i can understand Hillary's support of DWS. She was co-chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign- though she did end up secretly slinking over to the Obama camp while Hillary was still running.

I don't get why any liberal would support her. She takes big bucks from payday lenders and has worked assiduously to protect them from regulation on both the state and federal level, including fighting against Obama's proposal for tighter regulation. She has supported imprisoning medical marijuana users. She gets big bucks from industry traditionally opposed to legalizing medical marijuana.

Someone here suggested that support for DWS is because Sanders supporters bash her. That's a lousy reason to support her. Someone else told me that despite these facts about her, they supported her because Obama endorsed her and that that is reason enough.

DWS has been incompetent as DNC chair. She pushes policy that harms vulnerable populations. Her position, for example, on criminal justice is awful. She's used her position as DNC chair to inappropriately solicit funds for her own PAC and attempted repeatedly to get the DNC to pay for her clothes.

No liberal, no one concerned about corruption, should support her reelection.


https://newrepublic.com/article/121141/debbie-wasserman-schultz-liability-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/19/dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultzs-list-of-enemies-just-keeps-growing/
https://newrepublic.com/article/121141/debbie-wasserman-schultz-liability-democratic-party

http://theslot.jezebel.com/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-opinions-about-weed-are-baffl-1751420822
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512017218http://rewire.news/article/2016/01/07/

http://rewire.news/article/2016/01/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-blames-voters-failures-democratic-party/
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/29/debbie_wasserman_schultz_is_loathed_by_democrats_yet_just_got_a_head_scratching_endorsement_by_obama_here_are_some_guesses_why/
http://washingtonnote.com/venting_about_d/

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I sincerely don't get it. (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #1
Corrupt? Obviously. A liar? Certainly. Incompetent? You betcha. cali May 2016 #3
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is not "incompetent". bvar22 May 2016 #61
Corrupt? theaocp May 2016 #5
Thanks. I don't mind that nasty charge, but I find it telling that the poster cali May 2016 #10
Hey, you don't make it to 9 hides QC May 2016 #49
right, because one cannot criticize female politicians. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #8
I'd like to step up to call her Pay Day Debbie. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #18
That's my fave. cali May 2016 #23
A "Fucking TRAITOR" ?! John Poet May 2016 #22
Very, very good question. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #2
It comes as no surprise that the first reply is completely devoid of content. arcane1 May 2016 #4
I didn't get it either, until I read somewhere here this morning, That DWS was planning 2banon May 2016 #6
Our party leadership blindly supported anti-choice Democrats for years. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #7
"center-right neoliberal third-way new dlc democrats" that can't be said too loud or too often. Agony May 2016 #17
Great post. They are trying to redefine terms. Broward May 2016 #32
& Obama's support of blue dog Lincoln over a liberal Bill Halter in Arkansas 2010 snowy owl May 2016 #48
I agree with everything you wrote except that "DWS has been incompetent as DNC chair." Scuba May 2016 #9
ask the people in her district JI7 May 2016 #11
That will happen in August. I don't, however, overestimate the collective wisdom cali May 2016 #12
that might be true when it comes to someone who comes off well JI7 May 2016 #13
Those people did not make her Chair of the DNC. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #15
it helps thst she is an elected official and her position on issues JI7 May 2016 #16
She's one of 435 members of the House of Representatives. Winning a place in that House Bluenorthwest May 2016 #20
i didn't say it caused it. i said it helps JI7 May 2016 #33
Reactionaries, authoritarians, and conservatives support DWS. stillwaiting May 2016 #14
Outside of DU there are a lot of Hillary supporters who don't like her. I have talked to them. nt Quixote1818 May 2016 #19
I'm a Hillary supporter on DU nd I'm not wild about her as DNC chair Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #26
Obama did try to get rid of her Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #21
Really? What did he do? Vattel May 2016 #38
I've begun to think that she was part of a grand deal in 2008. Buns_of_Fire May 2016 #24
Yup! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #28
+10 Check & mate. Eom Karma13612 May 2016 #54
DWS was my rep for a short time before I left Florida Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #25
Local boys of privilege. cali May 2016 #29
Disagree Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #31
And that required a de-facto endorsement of Republicans because........? (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #39
1) They are highly popular Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #42
So, DWS decided her own seat was more important than her DCCC job. (nt) jeff47 May 2016 #46
Jeff, I think she made that decision long before she was chair Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #47
They absolutely were. Rafael was no scholarship kid. cali May 2016 #40
I'm simply saying that's not how they're perceived. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #44
Debbie has been an awesome RNC Chair! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #27
Sarcasm, I assume. cali May 2016 #30
"RNC" Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #34
Oops. Lol. cali May 2016 #41
you answered the question yourself, likely. grasswire May 2016 #35
I've suspected that DWS as DNC Chair was one of the concessions Obama was forced Ferd Berfel May 2016 #36
Ross Lehtinen is a Bush FIXER. grasswire May 2016 #37
Worst. Party. Chair. In. The. History. Of. Parties. Or. The. History. Of. Chairs. Vote2016 May 2016 #43
I thought his pick Tim Kaine was a forshadowing of bad news to come Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #45
I don't get why someone who bscks FL Republicans is allowed to chair the Democratic Party n/t eridani May 2016 #50
even if one were being Machiavellian and ruthless DonCoquixote May 2016 #51
Did anybody else want the job? Recursion May 2016 #52
Possibly DWS was part of the deal that Obama and Hillary cut at the end of the 2008 primary. merrily May 2016 #53
DWS allied herself w/Sheldon Adelson to make sure medical marijuana users in FL would go to prison Warren DeMontague May 2016 #55
As a Hillary supporter, I'm not married to her or anything auntpurl May 2016 #56
She is flat out corrupt. cali May 2016 #57
because Obama is not a liberal, he just acts like one at times Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #58
Lousy Chair...that PayDayDebbie. We lost so many seats I think it was by design. MaeScott May 2016 #59
Given that she's already on her way out, it's moot Blue_Tires May 2016 #60
That she's corrupt is moot? cali May 2016 #62
Regardless... Blue_Tires May 2016 #66
Hillary supporter, not a huge fan of DWS obamanut2012 May 2016 #63
Yeah, that's a total crock. Every DU'er to a person was and still IS against DWS. But any ancianita May 2016 #64
Because you don't understand something, you immediately leap to the conclusion that she's corrupt? randome May 2016 #65

Response to cali (Original post)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Corrupt? Obviously. A liar? Certainly. Incompetent? You betcha.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

Those are the things I want to call her and do call her.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is not "incompetent".
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

If she were, she would have been replaced long ago.
She Failed Upward from Chair of the Red to Blue program to Chair of the DNC
because the people who call those shots (The Democratic Party Power Brokers) LIKE and APPROVE of the job she is doing.

Whatever that "job" is, is up to you to decide, but that job does not benefit the Working Class, The Middle Class, The Poor or The Democratic Party as we once knew it.
Clearly, she makes some powerful people very, very happy.


"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama


theaocp

(4,235 posts)
5. Corrupt?
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

Useless? Counterproductive? Those are the words I would use.

Don't be coy about calling Cali misogynistic, please. Obliged.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. Thanks. I don't mind that nasty charge, but I find it telling that the poster
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

ignored the facts in the op.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. I didn't get it either, until I read somewhere here this morning, That DWS was planning
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

for a rejection by Obama back in 2013 (if memory serves) . gearing up full bore scorched earth against Obama's anticipated rejection with charges of misogyny and anti-semitism.

THAT explains EVERYTHING, imo.

I don't know if I read that in the Common Dreams piece I just posted earlier or if it was in another article. I'll check and post that link here if it helps.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Our party leadership blindly supported anti-choice Democrats for years.
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

We also just couldn't get around to telling Lieberman to fuck off until he finally quit on his own. The same people who are demanding that Sanders be shunned will staunchly support Wasserman-Schultz no matter how corrupt a corporate knob she is. If you step back the reasons are obvious. Our party has a right-left fracture. Our right-wing friends are allergic to being labelled "right" so they try to claim "liberal" or "moderate" or even "progressive" as their own, but they are center-right neoliberal third-way new dlc democrats.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
17. "center-right neoliberal third-way new dlc democrats" that can't be said too loud or too often.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

sadly

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
48. & Obama's support of blue dog Lincoln over a liberal Bill Halter in Arkansas 2010
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

She voted for CAFTA and Newt's contract . . . clear history of republican votes. Halter well liked but may not have survived either.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. I agree with everything you wrote except that "DWS has been incompetent as DNC chair."
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

Seems her goal has been to undermine Democrats at every turn, and she's done that really well.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. That will happen in August. I don't, however, overestimate the collective wisdom
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
May 2016

of the voting public.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
13. that might be true when it comes to someone who comes off well
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

And is a good candidate regardless of position on issues.

But dws doesn't seem to have any of that going for her.

Do i think her district agrees with her stand on issues and/or she does things for her district like bring funds for things .

JI7

(89,244 posts)
16. it helps thst she is an elected official and her position on issues
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

Are more important when it comes to bring congressperson since they actually vote on issues .

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. She's one of 435 members of the House of Representatives. Winning a place in that House
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

does not cause one to become the Chair of their Party. Her positions on many issues are terrible. Here in Oregon she could never get elected as a Democrat.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
26. I'm a Hillary supporter on DU nd I'm not wild about her as DNC chair
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

She used to be my Rep once upon a time. She was fine in that capacity.

I didn't necessarily see eye to eye with Howard Dean on every issue, but he was a helluva DNC chair. The same can't be said for Kaine, DWS, or McCauliffe.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,173 posts)
24. I've begun to think that she was part of a grand deal in 2008.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

Hillary endorses Obama (or at least calls off the PUMAs) in exchange for being named to a prominent position (to keep her name in the public eye) -- AND the endorsement of DWS (one of her True Believers) as new chair of the DNC (to help grease the wheels for 2016).

Just hardball politics at the Grand Master level.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
25. DWS was my rep for a short time before I left Florida
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

She won Robert Wexler's old seat. The district (like all districts in SoFla) is a complete gerrymander.

I'm not a big fan of DWS as DNC chair either, and you and I are on opposite sides of the Hillary/Bernie issue. That said, the Ros-Lehtinin/Diaz -Balart dig is misguided. Disagree with their politics all you want, they are wildly popular in South Florida and nothing will change that.

Ros-Lehtinin is the first Cuban- American congresswoman. She sorta holds the seat that once belonged to Claude Pepper. She's married to a Democrat who is also a US Attorney. I'd point out that she was the first Republican in the House to support same sex marriage.

The Diaz-Balart brothers are local boys that done good. Jose was a local news broadcaster in Miami and I believe is now with NBC/Univision. Mario & Lincoln went on to Congress. I may disagree with their policy positions, but like many South Floridians, admire their family's story, and their seeming avoidance of the corruption that is endemic in Miami-Dade politics. Also, both are/were (Lincoln is out of elected politics right now) considered moderate by Republican standards. Bottom line - DWS would have little upside and lots of downside supporting opponents to those seats. To think otherwise is to have a naïve understanding of South Florida politics.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
29. Local boys of privilege.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

I knew Rafael Diaz-Balart when I was a teen. Met him on a prep school trip to the south of Spain.

There is no excuse for someone in charge of electing more dems to the house, refusing to endorse dems in races against republicans.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
31. Disagree
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:52 PM
May 2016

Perception counts for a lot in politics. You may see them as "local boys of privilege", but most in South Florida do not -- especially the Cuban-American community, which represents a lot of votes.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
42. 1) They are highly popular
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

2) No one is likely to provide serious opposition
3) Cuban-Americans are part of the DWS voting base.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
47. Jeff, I think she made that decision long before she was chair
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

IIRC, she was my rep back in '06 when Dean was still chair. I think Wexler resigned to run for Governor.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
35. you answered the question yourself, likely.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

I believe it was part of the deal HRC made with BHO in 2008. Hillary needed her in that position.

There can be no other reason why he appointed DWS and kept her on after her miserable performance.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
36. I've suspected that DWS as DNC Chair was one of the concessions Obama was forced
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

to make along with Clinton as SoS

DWS has supported Republican over Dems. Now THAT's neo-Dem 'leadership'

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
37. Ross Lehtinen is a Bush FIXER.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

She and her husband are totally corrupt. And FIXERS for the Bush family.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
45. I thought his pick Tim Kaine was a forshadowing of bad news to come
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

He was the absolute worst choice who lost us the 2010 election . I use to watch him on morning joke and he was a horrible spokesperson for the party obviously put there for a reason or favor ......... He could have been Obama's VP........ yikes

But it got worse.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
51. even if one were being Machiavellian and ruthless
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:22 AM
May 2016

The fact is a lot of elections were lost by DWS, including the 2008 one. Why would you hire the person that managed to drive your campaign into the ditch last time, as well as losing senators and governors in the process?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
52. Did anybody else want the job?
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:27 AM
May 2016

Serious question. Being DNC chair under a Democratic President is thankless, and I'm curious who had shown any sign of being willing to do it?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
56. As a Hillary supporter, I'm not married to her or anything
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:23 AM
May 2016

I think O'Malley might do a good job in the role.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
58. because Obama is not a liberal, he just acts like one at times
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

but mostly he's a corporate Dem like Hillary and DWS

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
66. Regardless...
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

The DNC most likely won't be making a change until November, so we're stuck with her...

After the election, go crazy -- Throw her in jail, feed her to wild dogs, have her drawn and quartered, I don't give a shit...

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
63. Hillary supporter, not a huge fan of DWS
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

I don't like her Payday lending stuff.

Her district does, however, like her, and the guy running against her isn't qualified imo, and we don't need anymore noob, unqualified FL Reps in Congress. Run someone good against her, and let her district decide.

She isn't a great DNC head, but she isn't guilty of the ridiculous accusations against her.

However, the vitroil and gendered slurs thrown at her for months have made me.... not side with her exactly, but defend her. The over-the-top dislike and hate is ridiculous.

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
64. Yeah, that's a total crock. Every DU'er to a person was and still IS against DWS. But any
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

flip-floppers for her now are just using her as Hill's proxy.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
65. Because you don't understand something, you immediately leap to the conclusion that she's corrupt?
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Whatever else DWS is, she's no Joe Lieberman. If she supported Republicans in those cited cases, might it be because the Democrats didn't have viable alternatives? Could it be because those Republicans were moderates and it made sense to bridge the divide between them?

I don't have to have some close-knit relationship with her to know that politics can be a very complicated and messy business. And before I jumped to any conclusion, I'd start off with the baseline assumption that there may have been a reason for her feints and dodges on local politics.
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