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Another day of anti-semitism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and death threats from Hillary supporters (Original Post) Luminous Animal May 2016 OP
They are losing their ability to hide it AgingAmerican May 2016 #1
They have been simply disgusting to Bernie and his supporters. Some HillBill posters JimDandy May 2016 #83
They've never been real good at hiding it Scootaloo May 2016 #97
I could find plenty of horrendous tweets (real and fake) from Bernie & Trump supporters too. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #142
Wow. I've seen some bigoted shit on Twitter, but these people take the cake. Fawke Em May 2016 #2
Sad thing is, I don't see anything there that surprises me. djean111 May 2016 #3
I've been sexually harrassed by Hill Bros here on DU senz May 2016 #29
Damn that is good nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #4
Jury results A Little Weird May 2016 #5
Good job by 4 jurors! nc4bo May 2016 #8
Must have snagged one of the alerter's tweets. Scootaloo May 2016 #98
"Another day" = four months of cherry-picked posts, some of which are obvious trolls. TwilightZone May 2016 #6
"Violence" = one guy picks up a chair hellofromreddit May 2016 #26
Yep. Bon appetit Camp Weathervane. GoneFishin May 2016 #31
Bernie is a crusty old jew. Right here on DU and the poster has not been banned. Luminous Animal May 2016 #42
I guess Hillary supporters do not get tombstoned Duckhunter935 May 2016 #57
Well hey, point out a post that belongs on Stormfront when it comes from a Hillary supporter VulgarPoet May 2016 #116
He is now banned, Skinner banned him. uppityperson May 2016 #123
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #117
That repulsive poster leftynyc May 2016 #121
Sucks doesn't it Duckhunter935 May 2016 #55
You mean... sometimes internet threats shouldn't be taken seriously? Jester Messiah May 2016 #126
it would seem that they are anti-semitic Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #7
I'm having trouble visualizing Mike__M May 2016 #14
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #9
Yep. But as the media doesn't cover it, it doesn't exist. cali May 2016 #11
TV news is a disinformation mill. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #15
I don't understand why your post was hidden. Xyzse May 2016 #44
It's the posters 15th hide. Mosby May 2016 #74
Ouch... Xyzse May 2016 #77
I'm sorry you wound up with this stupid hide. It was uncalled for. Your post should not have been Ed Suspicious May 2016 #71
We dont need an op like this to prove anything we dont already know. I am glad litlbilly May 2016 #12
Or Sanders didn't compete in the southern states and lost by over 2.5 million votes? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #20
Kind of hard to compete when your opponent has been anointed by god. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #21
Like Clinton was in 08? Yeah, the long shot black guy beat her with less PDs but Sanders who has... uponit7771 May 2016 #22
Quit your privileged whining. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #23
Link and quote? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #24
stand by... Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #25
ok, thx in advanced for those many links of all or most of those anti jewish pastors in the south... uponit7771 May 2016 #27
Do you think most Hillary supporters are anti-Jewish? still_one May 2016 #144
I can't speak for the other poster (s/he's blocked from this thread). Behind the Aegis May 2016 #146
Good, then we agree. Most Clinton supporters are not anti-semitic, but the OP trying to still_one May 2016 #147
I don't know we really disagree. Behind the Aegis May 2016 #148
sounds reasonable, and yes I am not happy when I didn't realize someone got dinged, and I responded still_one May 2016 #149
Because it's so importwnt to win states that Dems haven't a prayer of winning in the GE? n/t eridani May 2016 #105
You have 51k DU post and you're conflating GE voters with Primary voters?...Really!?..we're not LIVs uponit7771 May 2016 #107
I'm sure PoC will be delighted to vote for more of the War on Some Drugs, the death penalty eridani May 2016 #145
Cause most of us are stupid and immoral hunh? Couldn't be Weaver and Divine admittedly said they did uponit7771 May 2016 #150
Some people are into personalities and others are into issues eridani May 2016 #154
I'm going to kick this so hard- just for all the self-righteous Hillary fans who cali May 2016 #10
YeH, funny how the M$M only reports the Brock talking points vintx May 2016 #135
It's of a piece with the themes they have worked on DU so none of this is surprising. Bluenorthwest May 2016 #13
Looks like what they've been saying here for over a year SwampG8r May 2016 #16
Kick Segami May 2016 #17
kick cali May 2016 #18
I've noticed,too. Graphics - inspiration, hope vs. meanness, mockery snowy owl May 2016 #19
JEW NAZI! hootinholler May 2016 #28
Kick. Wish the MSM would cover this. senz May 2016 #30
Have to say, that's some disgusting crud. To extent they are really Clinton supporters, we don't Hoyt May 2016 #32
Some of the people were already researched by other people but I rechecked every one. And yes, Luminous Animal May 2016 #33
Well those disgusting souls, and Sanders' supporters who say they'll vote for Trump need to Hoyt May 2016 #35
To date, there is only one poll asking if Hillary voters would vote for Trump and that was in KY. Luminous Animal May 2016 #38
Not sure I believe poll. I'd vote and support Sanders if he captured nomination and I think most Hoyt May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #58
anti semitism 3hummingbirds May 2016 #80
Wonderfully charming people. frylock May 2016 #34
Hillary and her campaign seem to be missing in action when it comes to condemning this violence One Black Sheep May 2016 #36
I wouldn't be surprised if... JudyM May 2016 #41
Okay, Wife of a Jew here. This is despicable. Hortensis May 2016 #138
When is Mrs Clinton going to rein these people in? How can she approve of this? Doctor_J May 2016 #37
Kick. Luminous Animal May 2016 #40
Hillary's the one winning the Jewish vote, fighting BDS, didn't skip AIPAC ericson00 May 2016 #43
Which is why I'm with Hillary. These issues are very important to me. grossproffit May 2016 #50
You guys do that day in and day out cali May 2016 #68
you mean the truth? Sorry I'm not sorry ericson00 May 2016 #70
Says the guy who calls Sanders a "Self-hating Jew" Scootaloo May 2016 #99
Wow, thanks for providing some insight vintx May 2016 #137
Free speech has it's consequences. These people deserve to be shamed. grossproffit May 2016 #45
Looks like someone took the bait and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Darb May 2016 #46
This post of yours shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. jeff47 May 2016 #48
About them cutting off their noses? Darb May 2016 #49
Really? Not typical? Thanks for the info Bro. Luminous Animal May 2016 #62
K&R for exposure. nt JEB May 2016 #47
Invoking my admittedly limited saltpoint May 2016 #51
K&R dchill May 2016 #52
A true cavalcade of Love from the Clinton Machine... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #53
How about someone using a link to a site designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law still_one May 2016 #54
Just goes to show that the right doesn't hold a monopoly on hate dlwickham May 2016 #86
No, the Right doesn't have a monopoly on hate. VulgarPoet May 2016 #125
4chan psyops. joshcryer May 2016 #56
Really. And the Admins allow it. That person is still posting on DU. Luminous Animal May 2016 #61
not anymore still_one May 2016 #119
Hatful Berniebros are ALWAYS actual berniebros. Hateful Hillbots are never authentic, though Scootaloo May 2016 #100
I didn't say that. joshcryer May 2016 #103
Actually it depends on who you're being racist towards Scootaloo May 2016 #106
The thing is, the jury is handling that. joshcryer May 2016 #109
Kick!!!!!!!! still_one May 2016 #124
Yeah, they got baited because they have no self control and just couldn't help themselves... truebrit71 May 2016 #130
You have no clue what some of them dealt with. joshcryer May 2016 #133
I have no clue... AlbertCat May 2016 #136
several of them still got baited into responding .... AlbertCat May 2016 #131
Um, no, they got amnesty because they... joshcryer May 2016 #132
shouldn't have been hidden in the first place. AlbertCat May 2016 #134
And showed it time and time again after being granted amnesty... truebrit71 May 2016 #140
K&R imari362 May 2016 #59
Kicking since I have seen plenty of this nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #60
and Nadine tell me what you think about posters using a designated hate site by the Souther Poverty still_one May 2016 #64
Yes...and I am concerned about this narrative as well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #65
I know you are concerned, and yes, Horowitz is a hate monger. I also did make an OP of that, still_one May 2016 #76
You can say the same about Sanders supporters and Bernie bros nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85
Surprisingly, I actually agree with your assessment. still_one May 2016 #91
And still one how about you tell me how Democratic Underground allows a verified anti-Semite to Luminous Animal May 2016 #66
I agree, there is no way I would justify that, and it is a clear TOS violation. I wasn't involved still_one May 2016 #69
It is easy to check. Each and every one has a real name and a long history of supporting Hillary. Luminous Animal May 2016 #72
I am not sure if that is proof or not since there are GOP operatives out there masquerading as still_one May 2016 #78
Are you sure a bernie supporter threw a chair at the Nevada Dem Convention? Ed Suspicious May 2016 #73
How would I know, I wasn't there, but that wasn't my point. Even if one Sanders supporter threw a still_one May 2016 #79
We have Diane Feinstein publicly predicting riots at the convention largely based upon an unthrone Ed Suspicious May 2016 #82
Then you have a legitimate gripe. I thought it was Boxer who was in Nevada not Feinstein. still_one May 2016 #87
But Feinstein has made those claims of a riot nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #90
The jackass radicals site is full of raging anti-semitic Bernie haters riderinthestorm May 2016 #88
Correct nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #89
Hell of a screenshot you captured there. 2banon May 2016 #63
I take issue with your "Another day" spin. But there is no doubt there are nasty people everywhere BootinUp May 2016 #67
The "day" appears to go back to February which is when most of those were posted Number23 May 2016 #96
I don't even have to look for those tweets... joshcryer May 2016 #110
Nailed it as usual, josh. Number23 May 2016 #139
GOP is sure going for the Jewish vote with all this rat****ing of Hillary's applegrove May 2016 #75
And yet, you will argue that one mean tweet with a bernie avatar speaks for all Bernie supporters? Scootaloo May 2016 #104
Yet I can find nothing from today, despite your title. moriah May 2016 #81
Lol @ Tweeter who asks... Beartracks May 2016 #84
Can't tell any difference between her supporters and Trumps. Then again jillan May 2016 #92
When will Clinton denounce these vile people. n/t Matt_R May 2016 #93
Sick, ugly people. polly7 May 2016 #94
Well, technically they are all from February MadBadger May 2016 #95
Yeah be interesting to see what they're doing right now anigbrowl May 2016 #129
Yikes. nt silvershadow May 2016 #101
You forgot ageism. After all, Hillary is a whole SIX YEARS YOUNGER than Bernie, even merrily May 2016 #102
Yeah, there's a lot of that here allowed to go on. polly7 May 2016 #120
But, we're not allowed to refer to age when speaking of Hillary. Convenient, wot? merrily May 2016 #122
Always a lot of vitriol on the internet. In a sense it is part of our civilization's PatrickforO May 2016 #108
I will never vote for the garbage that filth supports: hate platforms are sooo 20th century. eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #111
Kicked. MaeScott May 2016 #112
This is pathetic - you've been trolled SharonClark May 2016 #113
These are Trump trolls sarae May 2016 #114
Agree - thanks for posting SharonClark May 2016 #115
k&r.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #118
Yes, these are typical Hillary supporters...not anigbrowl May 2016 #127
... Faux pas May 2016 #128
Don't forget this one: Dr. Strange May 2016 #141
Typical Logical May 2016 #143
Well, Well - Seems That Some HRC Supporters Are Not So Angelic Afterall cantbeserious May 2016 #151
Reprehensible, but I have to wonder how many of those are plants or fake accounts? Myrina May 2016 #152
Disgusting posts. Amimnoch May 2016 #153

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
83. They have been simply disgusting to Bernie and his supporters. Some HillBill posters
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

I've encountered on the net are simple bullies at the least, others are deserving of criminal charges, at the worst.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
97. They've never been real good at hiding it
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:12 AM
May 2016

Granted, some have a keener ear for the dog whistles. No, this has been the theme of the campaign since May last year, when Bernie was being attacked as a deceitful black-hating money-grubber for the first time.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
142. I could find plenty of horrendous tweets (real and fake) from Bernie & Trump supporters too.
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

Really does not prove anything. A bunch of idiots (probably not even real people) who are posting sick stuff. They don't represent anyone but their own idiot selves.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Sad thing is, I don't see anything there that surprises me.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

Before I stopped looking at groups that were guaranteed to have remarks that would disgust me, right here at DU, I read that Bernie is just a smelly old man.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
5. Jury results
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

On Sun May 22, 2016, 04:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Another day of anti-semitism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and death threats from Hillary supporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512029508

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Copying n pasting tweets of questionable authenticity, using them to accuse Clinton-backing DU'ers of racism, antisemitism, and misogyny.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun May 22, 2016, 04:15 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is really digging a bottomless pit. It needs to stop.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The OP is a post about politics, not about other posters. It also provides a warning about the presence of anti-semitism, which does exist and should be acknowledged as a threat to the common good. Definitely the OP is worthy of discussion, not a hide.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The DUer who posted didn't write these vile things - just copied stuff to show the vile behavior of some Clinton supporters. The opposite has been done to Sanders supporters and allowed to stand so I see no reason to hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
8. Good job by 4 jurors!
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

Sick and tired of seeing post after silly post whining how meanie-meanie Bernie supporters are when people like this take it to an entirely different level.

There are assholes on both sides.

Whenbit gets to the level of personal smearing, you're gonna lose your argument.

Hate......and it's creeping into DU like poison ivy.





Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
42. Bernie is a crusty old jew. Right here on DU and the poster has not been banned.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1059701

Many try to equate Obama and Sander's elect ability. Sorry Obama was young and charismatic. Sander's is an old crusty "jew'. If most of the Sanders supporters don't understand how he would play out there then I think you are missing America's underlying feelings about northeasterners and how they view "jews".
Hilary is still from Chicago.


I actually did not know that this DUer is still allowed to post on DU until tonight. I'm pretty upset.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
116. Well hey, point out a post that belongs on Stormfront when it comes from a Hillary supporter
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

and you get flagged for review. I'm not surprised that they don't catch the stones.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #42)

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
55. Sucks doesn't it
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

The Hillary supporters do that all the time and I bet you did not say a word did you?

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
126. You mean... sometimes internet threats shouldn't be taken seriously?
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

Then why was Camp Hillary losing their minds over the (apparent) fallout after Nevada?

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
14. I'm having trouble visualizing
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016
anyone as a "J*W N*ZI P*G F*GGOT"

The vitriol has exceeded my imagination I guess

Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
21. Kind of hard to compete when your opponent has been anointed by god.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

I don't know though. I'm not religious.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
22. Like Clinton was in 08? Yeah, the long shot black guy beat her with less PDs but Sanders who has...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

... been in government for 213423 years lost by 2 million votes.

That's just plane privileged whining

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
23. Quit your privileged whining.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

Hillary swept the south with endorsements from homophobic and Jew hating pastors.

Deal with it.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
27. ok, thx in advanced for those many links of all or most of those anti jewish pastors in the south...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

... telling people who never saw Sanders compete in the south (like Weaver and Divine said)

Behind the Aegis

(53,950 posts)
146. I can't speak for the other poster (s/he's blocked from this thread).
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:45 AM
May 2016

I don't think "most" are anti-Semitic, but some certainly are. What I don't appreciate is being told to "ignore it", pretend it isn't serious or offensive, or tut-tuted in other ways. I have addressed anti-Semitism no matter the speaker, no matter who the person supports (or doesn't support), and I have gone round and round, for years at this site, with people who constantly berate, ignore, mock, or deride anti-Semitism. Quite frankly, it shouldn't matter if it is "most" or "some" or a "crazy few", anti-Semitism should be condemned as forcefully and with as much conviction as some do with racism, sexism, and on occasion, homophobia.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
147. Good, then we agree. Most Clinton supporters are not anti-semitic, but the OP trying to
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:03 AM
May 2016

leave a different impression by wording the thread thusly:

"Another day of anti-semitism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and death threats from Hillary supporters"

instead of using wording such as:

"Another day of anti-semitism, misogyny, racism, homophobia and death threats from SOME Hillary supporters"

So on that point BTA we do have a slight disagreement. While I agree all forms of bigotry should be condemned, whether it is "some" or "most", or even a "crazy few", in the context of this thread the point of the OP was to leave the impression that "Hillary supporters are bigots", but as you rightfully pointed out, you condemn it from whatever camp it comes from.

Incidentally, I have been around here for years also, and I am Jewish as you are, and have seen you put up with quite a lot, and you never back down when you see an injustice. So my hats of to you.



Also, I didn't realize the OP was blocked from this thread, or I would not have posted a reply to someone who is unable to respond, so I do appreciate you responding.

Behind the Aegis

(53,950 posts)
148. I don't know we really disagree.
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:29 AM
May 2016

While I can't be certain, I don't doubt there was a certain part of the OP meant to reflect what you are claiming, but I think it is likely more a reaction to the plethora of threads implying the same about Sanders' supporters, especially the constant implications Sanders' supporters are raging racists, and many are women-hating monsters. I have seen a few accusations against Sanders and his supporters in regards to homophobia, but they aren't as common. Hell, I have even seen us (and Sanders) accused of being anti-Semites, though that is very rare.

I usually avoid these type of threads, no matter the candidate choice of the OP, but given some of the recent posts about anti-Semitism which barely garnered any views of comments, I was a bit "on edge." Some of the comments in this thread also really pissed me off. Since we have interacted in the past in a friendly sense, I figured I could say what I felt needed to be said without it become a flame war. I was correct.

Don't you hate when you respond in a thread like this and don't realize the person who you posted to is already dinged out?! I have done it a few times. It always make it seems like you are trying to "start shit" but in reality, you just didn't know!! LOL!

I just wanted to state that anti-Semitism is still bigotry and still worthy of condemnation (you can see in this thread why I felt compelled to say something, though not directed at you).

still_one

(92,136 posts)
149. sounds reasonable, and yes I am not happy when I didn't realize someone got dinged, and I responded
Tue May 24, 2016, 03:49 AM
May 2016

to a post that someone cannot rebuttal on.

It is good advice to avoid these types of threads, and we do see eye to eye on this

Take care


uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
107. You have 51k DU post and you're conflating GE voters with Primary voters?...Really!?..we're not LIVs
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:07 AM
May 2016

Sanders position on this was bullshit from the beginning and we all know that, the decision not to compete in the "southern states" was stupid on its face.

He's losing by the amount of votes he didn't compete for and he's whining about it.

Sanders is stuck in an era were PoC weren't a voting force, we are now... I can understand that's hard to deal with for some but that sure in the hell shouldn't be the president of the united states

eridani

(51,907 posts)
145. I'm sure PoC will be delighted to vote for more of the War on Some Drugs, the death penalty
Tue May 24, 2016, 02:15 AM
May 2016

--and differential effects of same on PoC. Ain't jail wonderful?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
150. Cause most of us are stupid and immoral hunh? Couldn't be Weaver and Divine admittedly said they did
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

... not compete in most of the "southern states" where a lot of PoC live ... no... not at all

It has something to do with us... we think jail is wonderful hunh?

Again, Sanders and tRump supporters at some point start to sound alike and people know what a couple of those reasons are already.

The sad

eridani

(51,907 posts)
154. Some people are into personalities and others are into issues
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:26 AM
May 2016

If you don't care about Clinton's ongoing support for the death penalty and the War on Some Drugs, then by all means go for the personality thing.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. I'm going to kick this so hard- just for all the self-righteous Hillary fans who
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

bray on about "Bernie bros."

The MSM sure as Hell hasn't and won't report on HSBB. (Hillary supporters behaving badly)

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
135. YeH, funny how the M$M only reports the Brock talking points
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

and is content to give Hilary's supporters a pass.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. It's of a piece with the themes they have worked on DU so none of this is surprising.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

The work looks familiar, I think of it as Post Amnesty Nasty.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
16. Looks like what they've been saying here for over a year
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Just said right out loud though instead of inferred

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
19. I've noticed,too. Graphics - inspiration, hope vs. meanness, mockery
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

There is a difference. Brutal emotions vs. issues. Seems like it's gotten a little better to me.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
30. Kick. Wish the MSM would cover this.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:27 PM
May 2016

But they are in the bag for Hill, so they won't.

We really have no protection in this corrupt society except sometimes through lawsuits.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
32. Have to say, that's some disgusting crud. To extent they are really Clinton supporters, we don't
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

need or want that kind of support. I have my doubts they are Clinton supporters (sound more like compound dwellers), but my apologies wherever that's coming from.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
33. Some of the people were already researched by other people but I rechecked every one. And yes,
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

Hillary supporters.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Well those disgusting souls, and Sanders' supporters who say they'll vote for Trump need to
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

move to Idaho or something.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
38. To date, there is only one poll asking if Hillary voters would vote for Trump and that was in KY.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

More than 30% of KY Hillary voters said that they would vote for Trump if Bernie got the nomination. More than the opposite.

Too lazy right now to look for the link.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. Not sure I believe poll. I'd vote and support Sanders if he captured nomination and I think most
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

Democrats would.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
36. Hillary and her campaign seem to be missing in action when it comes to condemning this violence
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

why is she silent?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
138. Okay, Wife of a Jew here. This is despicable.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

It always is, no matter who it comes from. Social conservatives, who are rallying mostly to Trump (and to a far lesser extent Bernie actually), are the world's troublemakers because they are especially prone to bigotry with a very big, widely swung, fully loaded brush. There is also a smaller international far-left antisemitic swell that we're not seeing here very much, but mostly it's the nasty social and/or religious (lots of overlap) cons.

Liberals are the world's major anti-bigotry group. I am a strong liberal.

Hope this helps fill in the picture a bit.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
37. When is Mrs Clinton going to rein these people in? How can she approve of this?
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:46 PM
May 2016

I think we can now assume that the second choice for many Hillary supporters would be trump

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
43. Hillary's the one winning the Jewish vote, fighting BDS, didn't skip AIPAC
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016

so please stop posting obviously unrepresentative (assuming they're real) posts from potentially fake twitter accounts.

It would be very easy to tar Bernie supports with hateful stuff too.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
99. Says the guy who calls Sanders a "Self-hating Jew"
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:16 AM
May 2016

Please revisit this thread, note the lack of support you got from your fellow Hillary supporters and think, "What should I have done different with my time on DU."

I hope you find enlightenment.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
46. Looks like someone took the bait and swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

If you think those are typical of Hillary supporters you are a fish. It's obvious to everyone but the bernies.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
48. This post of yours shows a stunning lack of self-awareness.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

Tell me again about typical Sanders supporters. The irony will be very entertaining.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
51. Invoking my admittedly limited
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

betazoid powers here while reading those comments, I'm frankly picking up some negativity.

No, seriously!

___________

Sorry you had to encounter such toxic crap in assembling this collection, but thank you for it just the same, because we need to know what we're up against.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
54. How about someone using a link to a site designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

Conference?

What do you think of that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280191997


Here is another wonderful link from that site:

"Here, I focus on the control of Washington by Zionist Jews using the Obama administration as an example. Although a similar level of control by Zionist Jews can be seen in previous administrations, one could argue that their power has never been greater, as evidenced by the current administration."

"By now, you should have no doubt whatsoever that the media, Hollywood, the financial system are controlled by Zionist Jews.

Let’s have a look at more of Obama’s Jewish appointments so you can see that Washington too is controlled by Zionist Jews."

"Zionist Jews have effectively caused the societal and economic collapse of the U.S. This is a process that has been under way for several decades. Throughout this long period of deceit and subversion, they have created covers, distractions and deflections. They have transformed politicians into puppets. They have enslaved consumers using their banks. They have defrauded the entire population using their control over Wall Street. They have used their control over media, politicians and policy makers in order to shield any criticism of their crimes and their powerful crime syndicate."

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/06/07/zionist-washington-ensuring-the-end-of-america/

That site is loaded with that antisemitic bullshit.

and here is what the Souther Poverty Law Conference says about it:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda

Difference is what you posted, is no proof that those are Hillary supporters except someone using Clinton's logo and claiming to be a Clinton supporter.

The link I posted at the top was made clear within that thread what kind of a site it was, and nothing was changed.

Does anyone have a problem with people posting links designated by the Southern Poverty Law Conference as hate sites?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
100. Hatful Berniebros are ALWAYS actual berniebros. Hateful Hillbots are never authentic, though
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:20 AM
May 2016

Funny how that works out.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
103. I didn't say that.
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:36 AM
May 2016

There's almost certainly fake Sanders supporters out there. I think this site in particular is full of them. But look at how over the top and ridiculous the tweets are.

There are varying levels of hate, though. It's one thing to say "defund Planned Parenthood!" But it's another thing entirely to write racist screeds. The former will get you hundreds of recs in the Sanders group on this very site, the latter will get you banned.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
106. Actually it depends on who you're being racist towards
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:48 AM
May 2016

As to whether you get banned here. also, depends on what phrasing you use. And whether you're an "important" poster, or a "just a dude" poster.

It's adorable that you think the TOS actually applies on DU, more that it's applied evenly or fairly. I love that, never lose that innocence.

But even with that (Meager) threat overhead... You noticed how people are going off the deep end around here since the Troll Amnesty by Skinner? Yeah. Now take away anything like that. Take away consequences, and people will let it all hang out. Show people they can say whatever the fuck they want and nothing will be done no matter how low and vile and awful they get.. .and they'll tell you what's really on their minds.

Yeah. Could be fake accounts. But then we consider Occam's Razor. Most of these jackasses are probably completely sincere about both their support for Hillary and their belief that Sanders is well, all that shit hte tweets are saying. The two are absolutely not mutually exclusive, after all.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
109. The thing is, the jury is handling that.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:01 AM
May 2016

That's what the move to DU3 meant, not having to have moderators, but having the community moderate itself. It is more an indictment on the community than anything. As far as the amnesty, Skinner implemented it because so many AA members were being unfairly attacked and maligned and there was certainly brigading. After it went into effect, of course, several of them still got baited into responding to hateful trolls (in one case a poster responded directly to one of the trolls who was banned by MIRT shortly after, but they're still under review, even though who doesn't blame them for telling a troll to fuck off after they called them some really bad crap?). Do you know what that says to us as a community for hiding someones post because they told a troll to fuck off? One that got banned?

It suggests to me that there is no community. No sense of fairness or justice.

I look forward to see what Skinner has in store with the new moderator system.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
130. Yeah, they got baited because they have no self control and just couldn't help themselves...
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

...right?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
136. I have no clue...
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:13 PM
May 2016

.... that any of them have actually dealt with real live threats in the mail...


...except of course their word for it.

And if true.... it is a police matter, not a DU matter.


So let's hear about how the authorities handled these threats. What's the buzz?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
131. several of them still got baited into responding ....
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:04 PM
May 2016

.... in the same manor that got them on vacations in the 1st place.

It just proved they should've remained out.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
132. Um, no, they got amnesty because they...
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

...shouldn't have been hidden in the first place. There's a reason jury pools are shrinking. Bad jurors who hide when they don't like someone aren't serving duty anymore.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
134. shouldn't have been hidden in the first place.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

I think they proved that is not true...all on their own.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
64. and Nadine tell me what you think about posters using a designated hate site by the Souther Poverty
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

Law Conference?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280191997

and OP was even told within that thread it was hate site, but choose to leave that link. The OP could have found a different link, but choose not to

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda


Veterans News Now, and Veterans New Today are the same group.

It is loaded with anti-semitic bullshit

Here is another article from that anti-semitic site that some seem so pleased to use as a link:

"Here, I focus on the control of Washington by Zionist Jews using the Obama administration as an example. Although a similar level of control by Zionist Jews can be seen in previous administrations, one could argue that their power has never been greater, as evidenced by the current administration."

"By now, you should have no doubt whatsoever that the media, Hollywood, the financial system are controlled by Zionist Jews.

Let’s have a look at more of Obama’s Jewish appointments so you can see that Washington too is controlled by Zionist Jews."

"Zionist Jews have effectively caused the societal and economic collapse of the U.S. This is a process that has been under way for several decades. Throughout this long period of deceit and subversion, they have created covers, distractions and deflections. They have transformed politicians into puppets. They have enslaved consumers using their banks. They have defrauded the entire population using their control over Wall Street. They have used their control over media, politicians and policy makers in order to shield any criticism of their crimes and their powerful crime syndicate."

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/06/07/zionist-washington-ensuring-the-end-of-america/





 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
65. Yes...and I am concerned about this narrative as well
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

My goodness David Horowitz was at SDSU recently. He is also designated as a hate monger by the SPLC. But try to concentrate. We are talking of antisemitism by HRC supporters. One here linked to Stormfront, in case you did not know.

I suggest you make that an OP though.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
76. I know you are concerned, and yes, Horowitz is a hate monger. I also did make an OP of that,
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:07 AM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027811767

In addition I politely emailed the OP and suggested he find another link that didn't go to that site, but it was ignored. Incidentally, there are other sources which discussed Hillary's schedule, that he could have used.

but back to your original point regarding, "concentrate"

1. Is there proof that those posters are actually Clinton supporters other than they are using the Clinton logo, and saying they are Clinton supporters. It is a known fact the the GOP and trump supporters are portraying themselves as Clinton and Sanders supporter, and using it to divide.
2. The other point I have is that the OP is suggesting that this mindset is prevalent among Clinton supporters, and that is simply not true. In fact I would argue that 95%+ of the supporters of both Clinton and Sanders do not harbor any antisemitic feelings.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
85. You can say the same about Sanders supporters and Bernie bros
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

Unless you know folks in real life. For the record I know more than a few on both sides, and a few on the HRC side I had to stop talking to, and one on the other side. But online, you really cannot be 100 percent sure. And that is the problem with all these narratives. That is the honest real truth. That said, I expected the antisemitism for the same reason I expected racialized politics in 2008.

And I have seen some pretty nasty stuff online.

And speaking of real shitty racists we just started setting gear fro the trump show on Friday. Damn, I need to go pick up a molle radio holder for the scanner. And I need to set up a first aid kit for the tact gear. We expect a party. I do not expect that with either Clinton or Sanders crowds. But trump, you betcha.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
69. I agree, there is no way I would justify that, and it is a clear TOS violation. I wasn't involved
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

with that, and if I knew about it, I sure as hell would have contacted the Admins, though I doubt anything would have been done, since it seems they ignore anything on either side.

The point I have with your OP is two fold:

1. Do you have proof they are actually Clinton supporters, other than they are saying so, or using the Clinton logo
2. You are extrapolating that all Clinton supporters have that mind set, which is not true

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
72. It is easy to check. Each and every one has a real name and a long history of supporting Hillary.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

I do not thing that they represent all Hillary supporters, BUT there are a lot of ugly Hillary supporters out there. A lot.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
78. I am not sure if that is proof or not since there are GOP operatives out there masquerading as
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

Clinton or Sanders supporters whose intention is to divide, but let's assume it is correct that those tweets are Clinton supporters.

The majority of Clinton supporter are NOT antisemitic nor are the majority of Sanders supporters, and your OP implies otherwise.

You indicate there are a log of ugly Clinton supporters out there, and I would argue there are just as many ugly Sanders supporters out there also, but I would never suggest that it represents the majority of Sanders or Clinton supporters

If I was going to post something like that, I would refer to it as some Hillary supporters, as I would if I was pointing out something negative about some Sanders' supporters

still_one

(92,136 posts)
79. How would I know, I wasn't there, but that wasn't my point. Even if one Sanders supporter threw a
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
May 2016

chair, or one Clinton supporter threw a punch, they wouldn't be representative of all sanders and clinton supporters

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
82. We have Diane Feinstein publicly predicting riots at the convention largely based upon an unthrone
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:20 AM
May 2016

chair by somebody who was alleged to be a Bernie supporter. The entire last week was a rehashing of the many ways Bernie's supporters are violent thuggish bros.

Maybe you haven't heard.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
87. Then you have a legitimate gripe. I thought it was Boxer who was in Nevada not Feinstein.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:28 AM
May 2016

Regardless, my gripe was that I took this OP to be a generalization of all Clinton supporters, and that mindset is not valid for the majority of Clinton supporters.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
88. The jackass radicals site is full of raging anti-semitic Bernie haters
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

Same with the Hillary supporters site, similarly full of DUers. BMUS has a lot of vile screen shots.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
67. I take issue with your "Another day" spin. But there is no doubt there are nasty people everywhere
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

Since you are trying to spin it so hard, I seriously question your motives. I mean look at the dates on these things, you have little evidence to show that there is some kind of nasty trend all aimed at Bernie. But I am sure the Bernie faithful here appreciate your efforts.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
96. The "day" appears to go back to February which is when most of those were posted
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:32 AM
May 2016

I know I'm supposed to be so horrified and swoon worthy over those posts, and Lord knows they are incredibly stupid and terrible, but the idea that it takes almost four months to find 7 or so bad anti-Sanders tweets is almost as hilarious as the idea that this was all just "randomly" gathered and is in no way a response to the RECENT, far more numerous in number and scale and far more disgusting behavior of Sanders supporters.

You know, the stuff the media has been all over the past few days. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that this post popped up now.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
110. I don't even have to look for those tweets...
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:05 AM
May 2016

...to know they've been likely disavowed by any Clinton supporter who saw them. They are so fucking over the top it's ridiculous. It's not like WillyT's posts here that got rec'd and fawned over for months due to their subtle baiting.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
139. Nailed it as usual, josh.
Mon May 23, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016
It's not like WillyT's posts here that got rec'd and fawned over for months due to their subtle baiting.

Although there was nothing "subtle" about WillyT or his appeal to certain individuals here. But it's still hilarious that the OP thinks she has to scour three-four month old Facebook posts when she could find an absolute PLETHORA of ignorant, unhinged and bigoted comments right here on DU every single freaking day of every month.

But considering that so many of these comments come from Sanders supporters, I can understand hopping right over them to pretend that the true horrors are to be found in months old Facebook posts by a handful of Clinton "supporters".

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
75. GOP is sure going for the Jewish vote with all this rat****ing of Hillary's
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

campaign. Does anyone truly believe this crap? I'll tell you a story. Right wingers complained that Canadian government institutions minister was an airhead because she said she had support for her legislation in 2 million tweets. The day before, some American blog did a story on Trudeau's wife and how she was not popular with Canadians when she wanted a bigger staff to do more speaking events than normal for a pm wife. She's that popular. The article's proof was 5 negative of Sophie Gregory Trudeau tweets.

I'm really beginning to think that the right in the USA has a coordinated attack on the Trudeau's lest some of their dumb luck, at working in a parliamentary system, and getting lots of liberal things done, shows Americans what life could be like. So in some cases millions of tweets mean nothing. In other cases a few tweets, supposedly by Hillary supporters, a few tweets are golden. What do you call a group that has one set of rules for themselves and another set of rules for their enemies: Republicans. Or hypocrites. Same difference.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
104. And yet, you will argue that one mean tweet with a bernie avatar speaks for all Bernie supporters?
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:40 AM
May 2016

Look, applegrove... you've been fairly decent all through this mess, so I'm going to break level with you... you're very, very much the exception. I have no encountered maybe three Hillary supporters who I would trust to keep a plant alive, much less leave alone in a room with a child of any age. It has been a never ending stream of abuse, hate, bigotry, and now recently violence from your fellows. Early on in the campaign I was saying I don't judge candidates by their supporters - and I don't. But there's a damn good reason I was saying that and it's because very uniformly, Hillary supporters have been acting like fucking maniacs from the start.

I'm glad she's in the lead. I very honestly am because if she weren't, I have a very sincere feeling that some of her supporters, these people filled with burning rage while she's winning, would be doing to extremely untoward shit. I think this shit about them accusing Bernie supporters of violence is projection or wishful thinking on their part. You know those kind of gun owners who stomp around thinking "I wish someone would!" Yeah, like that.

Speaking of, very consistently the people who have been the biggest assholes, worst bigots, and most insufferable trolls on DU ? All seem to congregate to Clinton. Again, I don't judge candidates on their followers (Clinton's got enough going against her in my book anyway) but damn, I think that it does say SOMETHING.

So... Please do stop with the fainting couch stuff. Your fellows are not pure as the driven snow. No, there is no guarantee that these twits aren't some randos slapping up Clinton avatars to troll... But form what I've seen from "known elements" right here? Nah, no reason to suspect deceit there unless deceit is proven. These seem to be what Clinton supporters are like when you take away the threat of their posting ability getting revoked. It's what they got like on Hillary Clinton Supporters, too, before they get that place busted and Bill had to put some muzzles on people. And it's certainly evident here, since Skinner decided hides "don't count" anymore.

I'm sure you won't believe me. But just for a moment, consider a principle of "better safe than sorry."

moriah

(8,311 posts)
81. Yet I can find nothing from today, despite your title.
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016
http://berniebrowho.tumblr.com/post/142201990709/don-grimes-confirmed-hillary-clinton-supporter

Even the post allegedly "two hours ago" was from over a month ago.

I'm not condoning anti-semitism, but a lot of this was from as far back as February. Title is misleading unless you intend to daily post every inappropriate Bernie slurring comment no matter how old.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
84. Lol @ Tweeter who asks...
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

... Why are Bernie supporters so hateful?

Did they honestly ask that question in THIS twitter stream???



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jillan

(39,451 posts)
92. Can't tell any difference between her supporters and Trumps. Then again
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:51 AM
May 2016

they are the only 2 candidates that had supporters arrested for assault.

Mean spirited and violent.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
94. Sick, ugly people.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:22 AM
May 2016

It seems like there's no limit to their hatred for a movement disturbing the status quo. They're probably all doing very well themselves.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
129. Yeah be interesting to see what they're doing right now
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

I'm sure the OP will carefully research the matter to bring us current accurate information

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. You forgot ageism. After all, Hillary is a whole SIX YEARS YOUNGER than Bernie, even
Mon May 23, 2016, 04:30 AM
May 2016

though she seems much less healthy and vigorous to me than he does.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
120. Yeah, there's a lot of that here allowed to go on.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2032760

It's more than insulting to anyone over whatever 'age' is considered acceptable - especially towards one who's given so much. I hate bigotry.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
108. Always a lot of vitriol on the internet. In a sense it is part of our civilization's
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:44 AM
May 2016

loss of civility, though most of the blame for it lies solely on the oligarchs and their propaganda machine. But maybe it is easier when online because you're basically anonymous and so can present yourself differently or say more edgy things than you could in person. I'll bet none of these people would say these things directly to Bernie.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
118. k&r..
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

some around here have no problem w/ antisemitism.. just go reference the appreciation thread that was started for one recently.. you know where to look

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
127. Yes, these are typical Hillary supporters...not
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

Sound more like Freepers messing with the gullible to me. They have little else to do until convention time.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
152. Reprehensible, but I have to wonder how many of those are plants or fake accounts?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

Don't get me wrong, I've seen some pretty disgusting things from avowed HRC supporters, but some of these are so over the top I really question if they're "her" supporters or just troublemaking trolls looking to ratchet up the internal war.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
153. Disgusting posts.
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

Real or not, actual hillary supporters or not (responding to some of the replies more than the OP), this should not be excused.

This should not be defended.

Redirecting to things said about Hillary.. Diminishes the disgusting things said here, not the best approach at all imo.

These people, and the horrendous things they said should be condemned by all persons who would call themselves civilized.

I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton, and I denounce these persons and their vile words, and refuse to make excuses for them.

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