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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:37 PM May 2016

"We need an election which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked"

Bernie Sanders says that American voters would see voting for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in a general election as “the lesser of two evils.”

“That’s what the American people are saying,” the Vermont senator said on ABC’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulos” on Sunday. “If you look at the favorability ratings of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, both of them have very, very high unfavorables.”

According to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday, 58 percent of registered voters view Trump unfavorably, while 54 percent view Clinton the same way — the highest unfavorable ratings for likely general election candidates in the history of the survey. (A CNN/ORC poll released earlier this month found similar record unfavorable ratings for Trump and Clinton.)

“We need a campaign, an election, coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked,” Sanders said. “I don’t want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils. I want the American people to be voting for a vision of economic justice, of social justice, of environmental justice, of racial justice. That is the campaign we are running, and that’s why we are getting the support we are.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-hillary-trump-lesser-two-000000187.html
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"We need an election which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked" (Original Post) Miles Archer May 2016 OP
He really thinks highly of himself. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #1
He's noting the "favorability ratings" and that's what they are reflecting. libdem4life May 2016 #4
He hasn't had any negative ads run on him. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #33
Google is your friend. Bernie has had negative ads run against him. ... spin May 2016 #58
You really need to do some outside reading, Junior. mac56 May 2016 #61
You're absolutely correct. "The people" have spoken. Miles Archer May 2016 #7
He thinks highly of us. dchill May 2016 #20
NO. We need better citizens. Better citizens Hortensis May 2016 #38
As well he should, Tavarious. elleng May 2016 #52
He's till the same agitator that he was in the 60s. Beacool May 2016 #80
He has a valid point. Everyone is wondering...how did this happen? libdem4life May 2016 #2
Wall Street + K Street = AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #10
^^this^^ 99th_Monkey May 2016 #16
Yep. How about throwing in a little Oligarchy for good measure. libdem4life May 2016 #21
Maybe BS should have focused more on getting his supporters to the polls, not just rallies SFnomad May 2016 #3
Maybe Bernie should have started campaigning 12-15 years ago, like Hillary 99th_Monkey May 2016 #19
Lot of sour grapes there ... it's not Secretary Clinton's fault that she was more prepared n/t SFnomad May 2016 #23
Good on Hillary for "being prepared". But it's HOW she prepared that's problematic 99th_Monkey May 2016 #40
At this point, you're either with us or you're against us ... it's your choice. n/t SFnomad May 2016 #42
"you're with us or against us" ... hamm ... where have I heard that before? 99th_Monkey May 2016 #46
Failure-in-Chief Bush was trying to con us into an unnecessary war SFnomad May 2016 #72
An "unnecessary war" championed by Sen. Hillary Clinton 99th_Monkey May 2016 #73
You still haven't answered my question ... so that means you must be against us n/t SFnomad May 2016 #74
Clinton has stated that vote was a mistake many times ... something you people always seem to forget SFnomad May 2016 #75
"you people..."? Dustlawyer May 2016 #78
+10 nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #82
Why brake with tradition? We've had a giant deuche and a turd sandwich (South Park) as choices Juicy_Bellows May 2016 #5
Defeating such a hated person in the primaries should be a piece of cake, no? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #6
No. Hillary had virtually all the advantages of an incumbent. cali May 2016 #9
Except for being "really, very, very, strongly disliked" (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #14
I hate Bernie with the heat of a trillion suns. underthematrix May 2016 #8
What is emotional intelligence? deaniac21 May 2016 #36
I grabbed it off of google underthematrix May 2016 #77
Hmmmm deaniac21 Jun 2016 #83
Sanders is a democrat socialist, I'm not too keen on supporting anything like them in the future uponit7771 May 2016 #11
I love Bernie. I wish he would focus on his policies and how bad Trump is. pampango May 2016 #12
Lesser evil is still evil. hobbit709 May 2016 #13
Second place finishers should not asked to be declared the winner. hrmjustin May 2016 #15
We are NOT "finished" so there is no "finisher" n/t 99th_Monkey May 2016 #22
You and i both know it is over. hrmjustin May 2016 #29
Not until EVERY American who wants to vote, votes. It' that simple. deal with it. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #50
Hillary will be the nominee. Deal with it. hrmjustin May 2016 #51
I am ... I've been told I'm "not American" today 99th_Monkey May 2016 #67
I been called worse here by your friends. hrmjustin May 2016 #68
Agreed!! Thank you. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #70
It's over? Where was I? missed that. Did the FBI Lady Sing yet?? libdem4life May 2016 #25
Looking foward to it? hrmjustin May 2016 #27
I would characterize it more like waiting for it. libdem4life May 2016 #32
Don't get your hopes up. hrmjustin May 2016 #39
Just awaiting the verdict. Make any assumptions you wish. libdem4life May 2016 #41
You were in your Bernie Bubble. Little truth enters. riversedge May 2016 #31
Well, in that case I'll defer to your information. What was the verdict libdem4life May 2016 #35
Sanders is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates. It really i riversedge May 2016 #64
Thank you for sharing. libdem4life May 2016 #65
As opposed to Planet Hillary, where the sun always shines and is never a discouraging word. hobbit709 May 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #48
Bernie will be more disliked than Hillary or Obama. Look at the crap Thinkingabout May 2016 #17
Bernie's Fav-es are higher than Hillary or BO. nt 99th_Monkey May 2016 #24
Remember, polls don't count unless.....well, you know. libdem4life May 2016 #37
Polls are paradoxical that way 99th_Monkey May 2016 #44
I'm guilty of being enthused about those who lean my way, libdem4life May 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #18
Yes, democracy is so tired and yesterday. Why they should just libdem4life May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #34
Huh? I think we'll settle for something a little more official than libdem4life May 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #45
Last I checked, this is a democracy...even the primary...and it's not over. libdem4life May 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #55
Very democratic of you. Thanks. libdem4life May 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #57
I'm amazed at the spin...nor am I a "sore loser" because It's Not Over. libdem4life May 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #60
Well aren't you special. I am going to wait to see who wins. EOS libdem4life May 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #66
kick & rec #5 Vote2016 May 2016 #26
That was one of the cruelist things Bernie has said about Hillary. He should be ashamed of himself. riversedge May 2016 #30
She's likable enough. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #62
From the start of the primaries up until (say) the Indiana primary rock May 2016 #69
We had one in 2008: two candidates widely viewed very positively Recursion May 2016 #71
And then 2012 too. apnu May 2016 #76
Arrogant and nasty!!!! Beacool May 2016 #79
Thank you, Bernie! Truth! nt antigop May 2016 #81
 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
1. He really thinks highly of himself.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

The people have strongly voiced they want Hillary. How does he think they want him? They don't.

spin

(17,493 posts)
58. Google is your friend. Bernie has had negative ads run against him. ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:53 PM
May 2016

Most were launched by Hillary's superpacs but not all.

Hillary Clinton wrong that no negative ads have hit Bernie Sanders
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/22/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-wrong-negative-ads-bernie-sanders/

With Hillary I have often found it wise to check on what she says. In passing that may apply more to Trump than even Hillary.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. NO. We need better citizens. Better citizens
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

would reject him out of hand and judge her for herself, not be shamefully influenced by a quarter century of right-wing character assassination. It is not as if all those who read and listened to floods of this stuff, and chortled over it, didn't know perfectly well that it was happening.

THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON: Episode #6 - Defiling the White House Christmas Tree

NOTE: the survival of our Republic is threatened by two things -- fundamentalist Islamic terrorists and Hillary Rodham Clinton. President Bush is leading the fight against the terrorists. It is up to those of us who know the real Hillary Clinton to lead the fight against her. We must shine the light of truth on this dangerous woman so that all Americans may know the real Hillary.


"Hillary Clinton’s ‘Condom’ Christmas Tree"


"FLOTUS Hillary’s X-Rated Deviant White House Christmas Tree Ornaments"


"Bill Clinton Crack Pipe Christmas Tree"
This was a dressing up of the fun but apparently inadequately scurrilous condom story, and it is about PRESIDENT Bill Clinton and the White House Christmas Tree, after he was first accused of being lazy and shiftless and a drug dealer but, I think, before he was accused of murder and raping a white woman. (Our first "black" president.)

elleng

(130,730 posts)
52. As well he should, Tavarious.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

Sorry that you, who 'likes to control everyone within your influence,' doesn't work on me.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
80. He's till the same agitator that he was in the 60s.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:15 PM
May 2016

Dogmatic and uncompromising. The Left's version of the Tea Party.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. He has a valid point. Everyone is wondering...how did this happen?
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

We usually want to like or approve of our candidate, or so I thought. The rest of the world is kind of wondering, as well.

This season, it seems that a majority who are not liked have somehow thrust themselves upon enough people to be the Frontrunners. To be partisan is expected. But bi-partisan unfavorability is...WTH?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
21. Yep. How about throwing in a little Oligarchy for good measure.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

Oh wait, that's what Oligarchy is all about...Controlling the conversation and making sure the Peasants are either appeased or discounted.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
3. Maybe BS should have focused more on getting his supporters to the polls, not just rallies
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

Then again, BS is down by more than 3+ million voters. Even if every person at his rallies showed up to vote, it wouldn't have made enough of a difference.

BS should just face the fact that Democrats just weren't that into him.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. Maybe Bernie should have started campaigning 12-15 years ago, like Hillary
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

He's been playing "catch-up to Hillary" from day-1 of his campaign, and doing
so with history-making-waves pizzazz ... and every dirty trick in the book has
been used against him by establishment forces... but still he's come so close
from so far, that it deserves a very generous measure of respect.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
40. Good on Hillary for "being prepared". But it's HOW she prepared that's problematic
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

Damned if I'm going to laud Hills for her Wall St./MIC / Monsanto greed-orgies
(this being a key piece of Hill's preparation), nor can I ignore her welcoming the
"support" from --and being Pals with-- well-known war criminals.

I won't go on, as I think you get the point.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
72. Failure-in-Chief Bush was trying to con us into an unnecessary war
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

If you don't realize that the 2016 general election will be a political war, you're beyond help. Since you didn't say you would be with us and you decided to mocked what I had to say .... I take it you'll be against us then?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
75. Clinton has stated that vote was a mistake many times ... something you people always seem to forget
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:44 PM
May 2016

Hillary Clinton says her Iraq war vote was a 'mistake'

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-mistake-iowa-118109

After days of Republican presidential candidates wrestling with questions on the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton weighed in Tuesday, telling reporters that her vote in favor of the war in 2002 was a “mistake.”

“I made it very clear that I made a mistake, plain and simple. And I have written about it in my book, I have talked about it in the past,” Clinton told reporters at an event in Cedar Falls, Iowa ...

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
5. Why brake with tradition? We've had a giant deuche and a turd sandwich (South Park) as choices
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

for so long now, and see how wonderful things are?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
8. I hate Bernie with the heat of a trillion suns.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

But if he were the DEM nominee I would still vote for him even though I think he lacks most of the qualities I want in a president. He is a petty jealous wrinkled on man totally lacking in class and emotional intelligence. But he, like Clinton would not be the lesser of two evils.

Donald Trump is a NAZI. His father was a KLAN member. He objectifies women. He's involved with the mob. He's mentally disturbed which he demonstrates daily on Twitter. He seems to exhibit early signs of Alzheimer's, which his father died from.

He has said he is willing to use nuclear weapons.

His most ardent supporters are members of the KLAN and other white supremacist groups

He believes the minimum wage is too high.

He wants to deport all undocumented immigrants and ban entry to people from the Middle East based on religion

He believes women should be punished for having an abortion which is still legal in this country

So no, Hillary and Bernie are not the lesser of two evils.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
77. I grabbed it off of google
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

here you go" Emotional intelligence (EI) or emotional quotient (EQ) is the capacity of individuals to recognize their own, and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different feelings and label them appropriately, and to use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
11. Sanders is a democrat socialist, I'm not too keen on supporting anything like them in the future
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

... in any way.

He's selfish at best

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. I love Bernie. I wish he would focus on his policies and how bad Trump is.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

His run in the Democratic primary has been wonderful for promoting his policies that deal with our real problems. I don't need to have him tell me how unpopular Hillary is. republicans will take care of that without our help.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
68. I been called worse here by your friends.
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

I am not responsible for what they call you as you are not responsible for what they call me.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. I would characterize it more like waiting for it.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

It really is an issue, regardless of the spin. We've already passed the "appearance of impropriety" long ago. I think it is in the best interest of all to at least have a final determination. The sooner the better, IMO.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
35. Well, in that case I'll defer to your information. What was the verdict
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

and when did it happen? Who knew?

riversedge

(70,077 posts)
64. Sanders is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates. It really i
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Most folks who do not live in bubble know this.


Sanders is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates.
It really is this simple!



Tweet:
@BernieSanders is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates. http://www.pressherald.com/2016/05/22/cynthia-dill-sanders-is-losing-fair-and-square/ #HRCIsOurNominee





Dill: Sanders is losing fair and square


http://www.pressherald.com/2016/05/22/cynthia-dill-sanders-is-losing-fair-and-square/

He is not going to be the nominee because he hasn't won enough votes or delegates.

By Cynthia Dill


As Maine goes, so goes the nation, Bernie? Because we know what happens when a stubborn, left-leaning candidate stands on principle complaining about persnickety party politics, and it isn’t pretty. In fact, it’s insane by definition: We do it over and over again and expect different results.

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #15)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Bernie will be more disliked than Hillary or Obama. Look at the crap
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

Posted about Obama and Hillary, it is rarely true just talking points which grows and grows.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
44. Polls are paradoxical that way
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

Truth be told, I'm susceptible to this: when a poll reflects my bias, I broadcast it and
it makes me happy .. and when the results of a poll aren't to my liking, I doubt its
validity and question the value of doing polls in the first place.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
47. I'm guilty of being enthused about those who lean my way,
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:31 PM
May 2016

and hoping for more, but we can't have it both ways, even though they are often misleading, incorrect or just plain wrong. Sometimes, like a stopped clock.....?

Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #24)

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. Yes, democracy is so tired and yesterday. Why they should just
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:09 PM
May 2016

take a poll in the beginning, declare the winner and move on.

Response to libdem4life (Reply #28)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
43. Huh? I think we'll settle for something a little more official than
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

internet warriors. Bernie's Coronation? That's a first and a reach even for here. LOL.

Response to libdem4life (Reply #43)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
54. Last I checked, this is a democracy...even the primary...and it's not over.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:36 PM
May 2016

In fact, it keeps changing on a daily basis. I don't get where the "hypocrisy" comes in or the "concern", for that matter. My comments were neither...JMO.

Sounds kind of "talking pointy" words. I wonder why the need for that? Last I knew, discussion and sharing views is what a Discussion Board is for.

Currently I'm not aware I'm "proposing to override the will of the democratic base electorate". How about we wait until it's actually over. Seems to be the best solution, don't you think?

Response to libdem4life (Reply #54)

Response to libdem4life (Reply #56)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
59. I'm amazed at the spin...nor am I a "sore loser" because It's Not Over.
Sun May 22, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

Check in with me when the final votes are in, counted and "democracy" has been fulfilled.

Other than that, this is a very silly conversation. Kind of like the Purity Ball.

Response to libdem4life (Reply #59)

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
63. Well aren't you special. I am going to wait to see who wins. EOS
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

I'm sorry if that offends you and you demand to control my opinions. It seems to be going around with certain folk here. And the answer is NO...I have no reason to report to you...or anyone. Adults understand that. Also, last I checked, voting is a personal act. That's why you go into a "booth".

Over and out.

Response to libdem4life (Reply #63)

rock

(13,218 posts)
69. From the start of the primaries up until (say) the Indiana primary
Sun May 22, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

The chronic theme (meme) brayed by the BSers was "Bernie is surging". He surged so much during that period he only wound up 3 to 4 million votes behind Hillary. Bernie is not nearly as popular as Hillary for President.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
76. And then 2012 too.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:46 PM
May 2016

Although Romney in the end wasn't liked very much. One out of two isn't so bad, right?

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
79. Arrogant and nasty!!!!
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

Hillary is not the "lesser of two evils" for millions of people. She's our first choice. If I had to vote for this mean spirited man I would have done so to prevent Trump from becoming president, but I would have done so while holding my nose. I'm done with Sanders. Instead of pivoting to attacking Trump, he's still going after Hillary. He knows fully well that he's not going to be the nominee, yet, he can't muster any grace and class. No wonder he doesn't have many friends in the Senate.

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