I am completely mesmorized by Hillary

[Tavarious Jackson]

I am a former Bernie supporter, after what happened in Nevada I could no longer support a campaign that tried to disregard the will of the people who voted in Nevada's February caucus. There are more reasons but that was the final. Anyway, the last few days I have been watching videos of Hillary speaking. Wow! She gives specifics and details on any and every subject she talks about. She is not only smart but brilliant. She lays out her plans, intentions, how who and what with such enormous detail. She gives specifics on all her ideas. I am in aw! Yes. I am now star struck by her. I compared her interviews to some of Bernie's interviews. There is no way anyone would deny she is so much more smarter. Bernie doesn't expand too much more from his stump speech. There are almost no policy details. I don't know why I ever supported him now. He basically repeats the same.. corrupt, rigged, wallstreet, billionaires, establishment. I suggest everyone go watch some interviews Hillary has given. I guarantee you will be sold if you dare to listen.

[Tavarious Jackson]

5. That's all?

Surely you can argue something? No?

[Tavarious Jackson]

18. You're wrong

I'm just grateful to have snapped out of it and realized who the best candidate is before my state votes.

[7wo7rees]

110. What state? And yes I unfortunately agree with prior post.

Mesmerized! All you have to do is use spell check or say "Google, spell mesmerized"! Crazy how it works.

So again, what state?

[Tavarious Jackson]

111. California.

Los Angeles. Highland Park to be more specific.

[7wo7rees]

124. Well sure. Welcome to DU. Use the edit function and

correct your miss spell. It might make a small difference.. Remember, spell check can be your friend. English is my 2nd language excuse does not fly far.

Good luck. Oh and by the way, just really curious as to how you came across DU and decided to join/become a member. I've always been fascinated to hear how members found DU.

Please, do share.

[Alex4Martinez]

71. How do you feel about bombings, killings, outsourcing, and stuff like that there?

Do you like how she wants to bring super predators to heel?

[HooptieWagon]

8. He signs up just to say he used to be a Sanders supporter?

Yea, right.

[jeff47]

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[renate]

198. I would have voted to leave it alone too...

I mean, it's certainly within the realm of possibility that a Bernie supporter would have joined DU a week ago, gotten busy with posting 190 times in the past week, seen the light and switched to Hillary, and subsequently shared his or her views in such glowing terms. That's quite the switch.

I honestly would have voted that way. I always vote to leave things alone, including anti-Bernie posts, unless they're a direct attack on a DU member or are abusive or are lies. This is a discussion board, where people discuss things. I don't believe in quashing honest discussion.

However. While not being abusive towards him/her, I will quietly point out that Tavarious Jackson joined a week ago and is not being super subtle.

[cyberpj]

2. Brock...shhhtt!! (Sorry, I had to sneeze.)

[Tavarious Jackson]

7. I can honestly say, I have never read anything of Brock's!

I'm telling the truth and I think you know it.

[Fumesucker]

172. Brock's stuff is posted constantly on DU, if you haven't read it you haven't read GD-P

[TexasBushwhacker]

3. Welcome to DU! n/t

[Eric J in MN]

4. Did you stop supporting Obama in 2008

...when he got fewer votes in Nevada but more pledged delegates?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Democratic_caucuses,_2008

[vintx]

31. +1

[pdsimdars]

48. Yup, just one more big, fat, steaming load of . . . uh . . . make-believe.

and, oh, I forgot, I'll add you to my list. It keeps the place more pleasant for me.

buh-bye

[kstewart33]

237. PD, really?

TJ simply has a different opinion.

Keep it classy, okay?

[libdem4life]

9. One month. Well, then. Please, proceed.

[Tavarious Jackson]

10. Instead of proving me wrong

Instead of showing me a speech or interview where Bernie gets into policy detail better than Hillary you resort to calling me a troll or Brock plant. I guess that is easier when you have no argument.

[Tavarious Jackson]

28. Ok

Fair trade. Immigration. Sanders has not been very good about the guest worker program. The rest they are not much different.

[anotherproletariat]

22. Don't listen to them...all people here who changed to support Hillary are called trolls.

Apparently, people cannot exercise their free will in a Sanders controlled world.

I agree with you, Hillary has a brilliant command of the facts of pretty much every issue. She is very impressive, and I can't wait for her to be president!

[Scootaloo]

107. One local favorite...

Had a habit of "switching" back and forth. Every week, a brand-new reason why she "could no longer support Sanders" - always, always some made-up bullshit reason. Funny thing is, back in March 2015, she'd made a lovingly-written, gushing piece about how absolutely sold she was on Clinton.

Someone who has done nothing but attack and smear and belittle and insult Bernie Sanders and his supporters - as the OP has done in his... several days' membership here - isn't coming off as an honest opinion in the first place. And we're expected to believe the person when he waxes about how he used to support Bernie? Sure. Maybe he did. Sure isn't convincing anyone though.

[procon]

23. They can't.

Neither can Sanders. Go to his website and see what's there.

[jeff47]

29. Prove what, exactly?

The entire OP is the latest talking points your opinion.

What, specifically, would be "proven wrong"?

[doc03]

33. Interesting they have no argument only attack you for your spelling and

bad English, what are these people 8th grade English teachers. Look at the language Trump uses and he is the Republican nominee
seems most Americans couldn't give a f--k about spelling or bad English.

[Tavarious Jackson]

40. Look at the limited words Bernie uses.

Lol.

[mac56]

50. Dude, wait a minute.

You're dissing Sanders on allegedly using "limited words"?

After an OP like that one?

[Tavarious Jackson]

53. I'm not a candidate for POTUS.

[Surya Gayatri]

134. Oh, snap! LOL!

[cali]

98. Actually, Bernie speaks at a higher grade level than hilly or the yam

[catnhatnh]

133. There's an "E" in "AWE". N/T

[arcane1]

38. You didn't post any links to these great, highly-detailed Clinton speeches you praised.

It's hypocritical to demand links from others.

[mac56]

45. Maybe Tavarous has read the transcripts of the Goldman Sachs speeches?

[Tavarious Jackson]

56. It's Tavarious.

[mac56]

57. Sorry. I know how much you dislike misspelling.

You're in aw, after all.

[arikara]

144. Did you really read the Wall St speeches, Travairois?

I'm in aw. Do share!

[tazkcmo]

228. It's Cher! n/t

[aikoaiko]

189. You're really bad at this.

Practice makes perfect though

[leftofcool]

217. Welcome to the "we are paid Hillary shills" because we support Hillary

I haven't received my check this month, have you?

[Lizzie Poppet]

239. If you're not a Brockette, great. But there HAVE been a lot of anti-Bernie trolls here.

They tend to be just-registered newbies that basically repeat the same themes (and when one changes the point of attack, the others "mysteriously" switch to the same point). I'm sure you can understand the suspicion.

As for changing your mind, if months of Bernie's speeches and press releases haven't convinced you, alongside literally decades of consistent statements and performance in office, than nothing I could possibly say to you is going to bring you around.

[pangaia]

12. LOL!

You are about as tone deaf as the Clintons.

Do you know how I really realized you are a phony?

This---

'"There is no way anyone would deny she is so much more smarter."

It is one of the best ways to spot a scam email--- BAD ENGLISH !!!

[Tavarious Jackson]

30. English is my second language.

Is that a problem?

[vintx]

32. Just out of curiosity, what's your native tongue? nt

[timmymoff]

46. Clintonese.

[JimDandy]

64. LOL. The preferred language of every Bernie Butter. n/t

[pangaia]

145. No, but your post is hillaryous

[leftofcool]

218. Yea, that's it. Condemn someone whose second language is English.

Is that all you have?

[procon]

14. I've always been impressed by the depth of her knowledge and

experience. Just like you, I am really impressed that she has put out so much effort to provide information on her plans, and the topics covered on her website include everything I wanted to know. I have every confidence that she will be able to handle everything, calmly and effectively.

[Baobab]

21. Thank you Saint Hillary for deceiving us in 1994

Who needs to heal the sick anyway
Amen

[Tavarious Jackson]

34. I guess I am not very eloquent in expressing myself.

I agree with you. Hillary is very impressive. I'm blown away.

[procon]

95. Don't worry, you did fine.

Sanders has just about outlived his 15 minutes of fame and his adoring fans are just very emotionally distraught at the prospect becoming as asterisk at the bottom of some future Wiki page.

[bulloney]

123. So was her husband.

[Tavarious Jackson]

161. I think she is smarter than Bill but yes

He was a great President.

[MoonRiver]

230. I've started to believe that also. Bill has a natural charisma, which Hillary lacks,

although she's getting better with her charm offensive. Everytime I hear her speak or watch her in a debate I am blown away with her brilliance. It's sad Americans are so shallow and uninformed that a total moron like tRump has gotten this far.

[Tavarious Jackson]

233. She is definitely smarter than Bill.

No disrespect to the former President, it's just clear that she is. It says a lot actually! Bill Clinton is pretty smart himself. I am just blown away at how intelligent Hillary is. Sadly, Americans want slogans not brilliance. :/

[MoonRiver]

241. When you realize that the Average American IQ falls between 90 and 109 (74% of people),

it makes more sense. You generally have to be intelligent to appreciate intelligence, especially when it is quite wonky. That speaks well for the two of us lol!

[bvf]

147. Guess not, Tovarich.

To start with, "I guess I am not very eloquent in expressing myself," is an example of redundancy worthy of a citation in an elementary composition text.

[leftofcool]

219. You did fine. Ignore the Berners.

[cantbeserious]

17. Obvious Brock Plant

eom

[sadoldgirl]

104. Not necessarily, I heard the Trump people are

coming in to divide and conquer.

[Purveyor]

20. That's funny. 😁.

[bjo59]

25. You've got to learn how to do this better. No one goes from supporting one candidate to

being "mesmerized," "in awe of," finding "brilliant," and being "star struck" by the other candidate, especially right at the end of a primary season. No one. Your attempt to be an example of Bernie Sanders supporter switching to Hillary Clinton is way, way over-done. Next time, try being being more subtle and some people might believe that you ever supported Bernie Sanders.

[Tavarious Jackson]

36. It was not over night.

Nevada was the final not the beginning of my divorce from BS campaign

[Tavarious Jackson]

37. I'm not trying to be anything but me. nt

[pmorlan1]

27. You're not very good at this, are you?

[HooptieWagon]

44. A million dollars may buy a lot of trolls, but it doesn't buy good ones.

[pmorlan1]

54. Oh the shame...

You just can't get good trolls these days. I remember a time...

[HooptieWagon]

84. Outsourced to Mom's basement.

The trolls are getting more lame. Brock must not be paying well, appears to be a high turnover rate. He's def scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

[arikara]

146. My theory is that he outsourced it, maybe to her friends in Tata

There have been quite a few Hillary lovers recently who are obviously challenged using the English language. A huge rash of them joined up in the middle of April.

[leftofcool]

220. Actually he is. Since his second language is English, I'd say it was darn good

[larkrake]

35. Get a shot, it will clear up in a couple weeks

[mac56]

39. You're in aw?

Aw. That's cute.

[Tavarious Jackson]

41. I'm blown away

at how smart she is. Aren't you?

[mac56]

43. Aw, no.

[senseandsensibility]

160. lol

[HooptieWagon]

52. You're probably impressed with how smart W is too.

No, Clinton is not particularly intelligent. She repeatedly makes stupid mistakes and demonstrates poor judgement.

[choie]

42. you obviously need better training...

"Mesmerized by Hillary?" You used to be a Bernie supporter??? Sure you were...You better go back to Brock for a refresher on how to troll. You are not the least bit credible!!

[Tavarious Jackson]

47. Let me ask you..

Do you agree she is very intelligent? I don't think that is something to dispute.

[mac56]

55. Maybe intelligent. Certainly crafty.

[Tavarious Jackson]

58. I bet her IQ is higher than any candidate that ran this year.

I am sincerely blown away.

[mac56]

61. Do you have a picture of her in your school locker?

[Tavarious Jackson]

62. She is old enough to be my granny.

You're taking this too far.

[grasswire]

94. that is obvious. nt

[leftofcool]

221. Do you keep a photo of Bernie?

Jesus H Christ.

[passiveporcupine]

164. You know, this part is a big givaway

where people call you out as a Brock plant and yet you keep trying to push the same conversation on them as if innocent you thought they still wanted to have a conversation with you about your mesmerization and your aw.

This sounds like scripting from barrier Breakers 2016.

[choie]

193. Yeah she's intelligent, so??

Intelligence without integrity or empathy doesn't mean shit.

[Purveyor]

51. Reminds me when israel first decided to get into the forum/comment section trolling...

[Mike__M]

90. "Memorized," it's close enough.

You know, like I memorized the scheduled Bernie-bashing meme "I used to support Sanders, but now...."

[Shemp Howard]

49. This reads like satire.

Star struck?!? Really?!?

Saturday Night Live could use this as a script. And if they do, I suggest "I Saw the Light" as the background song.

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. I think the word you're looking for is "monetized" n/t

[Tavarious Jackson]

65. Something you spew but can not prove. :)

[merrily]

73. Thread win.

[merrily]

60. Ah, another #BernieLostMe. Yeah, there's been a lot of that here. Personally, I don't buy it.

IMO, there have been too many false flag operations in this campaign for me to buy any more of them.

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php?303-The-Sit-Down-and-Shut-Up-Award-and-Other-Realities

But, belated welcome to DU.

[JimDandy]

70. I usually skip all the Bernie Butter posts. This one was stealthy,though. n/t

[merrily]

79. Yeah, stealthy. That's it. That's the ticket!

[JimDandy]

82. : )

Your article at JPR on the Bernie Butters was good!

[Tavarious Jackson]

86. My issues with Nevada are not about the chair.

They were able to get more delegates in April but some of them could not provide proof they were democrats or even that they lived in Nevada. They were sent letters letting them know they would need these credentials for the 3rd part of NV election. They did not have proof. They were instructed by senior campaign officials to sit it out and do not leave even though Clinton had more delegates. Playing victim after unsuccessfully trying to overturn the will of the voter is what makes me sick.

[merrily]

101. ? What are you on about? I didn't say anything about the chair or about what your issues are.

[Scootaloo]

108. Word of advice. As a Clinton supporter, don't try to lecture people about "Playing the victim"

It's more likely to inspire gales of mocking laughter than anything else.

[passiveporcupine]

168. Part of the BB 2016 program

keep trying to sneak in that narrative any way you can, even if it's not the subject being discussed.

Kinda like what Hillary and Deb do when the are asked a question and don't want to answer it, so they just launch into a propaganda spiel.

[oregonjen]

63. After what happened in Nevada exactly? Hmmm...

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[Tavarious Jackson]

67. I don't mean that.

I mean bring in delegates from other states who will not provide ID or give their names.

[HooptieWagon]

78. Bullshit.

Where's dviddnce the delegates were from out of state, didn't have ID, and wouldn't give names. That's just pure bullshit. The delegates had already participated in two levels of caucuses. Brock is just hand you lies to keep parrotting.

[Eric J in MN]

80. Proof of that serious allegation? NT

NT

[Tavarious Jackson]

89. Sure thing.

http://lawnewz.com/politics/chaos-at-nevada-democratic-convention-as-sanders-delegates-disqualified/

[Eric J in MN]

93. That webpage says some Sanders delegates

...were disqualified and not given a chance to appeal.

That shows the crooked way the convention was run by Roberta Lange.

It doesn't show those delegates did anything wrong nor that they were from another state.

[JimDandy]

97. WHOA!

Please stop making decisions IMMEDIATELY, if the rest of your life's decisions are made with the same processes you used to arrive at this one!

Not provide their names? They were on a computerized list of Delegate names (that's how the Clinton camp scrutinized all the delegates and targeted those 64 delegates in the first place). Delegates at the NV State Convention had to have credentials to get in. They had to be a delegate not just from the lower Nevada County Convention level but from the Nevada Caucus level, where they had to be registered Nevada voters to participate.

Your Bernie Butter story is for the birds.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. I am a Freshman at a small Northeastern college. I never thought these letters were real, until...

[Shemp Howard]

99. Well done!

At first, I didn't get the meaning of your post. After all, the '80s were a long time ago. Then it hit me.

Yes clerk, I'll take that magazine on the shelf behind you there. No, not the Playboy, the other one.

[bvf]

150. Hee hee! Well done. n/t

[JackInGreen]

151. All that's missing was

The "Dear Penthouse Letters".

[Blue_In_AK]

179. Penthouse?

[renate]

199. that was excellent

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Lather, rinse, repeat....

Get new stuff.

[cali]

75. Bull.

[agracie]

77. *mesmerized Brock should only hire good spellers.

[Yurovsky]

181. Good spellers are $1 a post, bad spellers do 4 for $1...

Brock's all about the quantity, sounds better when he's reporting back to boss lady.

[agracie]

183. I did not know that. Now I too am "mesmorized". ;-)

[leftofcool]

223. OMG! Is that all you have?

Condemn someone whose second language is English? Typical.

[leveymg]

81. Another term for that is dazed and confused.

Results may vary.

[insta8er]

83. LOL:Member since: Mon May 16, 2016, 10:02 A Million bucks at work!

[Tavarious Jackson]

88. I'm not paid but since you brough it up

Bernie spent 16 million for his online presence.

[insta8er]

122. Yeah dude, whatever you say. LOL

[Warren DeMontague]

128. Yes, but 15 Million of that went to me.

And worth every fucking penny, if I might add.

[Warren DeMontague]

127. Amazing how many people signed up that week

[rock]

85. Welcome to DU

Stay a while!

[DJ13]

87. You sound constipated

[tabasco]

91. I BEEN MESMO-RIZED!!!!

Pick up a dictionary with that money they're giving you.

[Bonobo]

96. I want a t-shirt that says that now! nt

[cali]

92. It's mesmerized,

Member since May 17, 2016

[guillaumeb]

115. Perhaps the poster meant to say the post was memorized.

Or something like that.

[AtomicKitten]

155. !!!

[Autumn]

100. Aw. I'm in "aw' that you guys keep trying this and actually think anyone buys it.

[hrmjustin]

102. I see the welcome wagon came out to great you.

Welcome to DU.

[bvf]

149. Seems it's contagious.

[arikara]

159. Don't you mean welkum waggin came owt tew great ewe?

nt

[LiberalAndProud]

169. Yes, he has been greatly greated.

Good tidings to you too, Justin.

[Kall]

103. Yeah, sure.

[840high]

105. You were never a Sanders supporter. Period.

[7wo7rees]

106. There is just a huge raft of new posters that have floated

In to DU in the last few weeks.

I found one today I had to look up.An average of 34 posts a day since joining in mid April. Who, what, why and where.

Whom ever may be in charge of this army may need to ramp up on communication skills training and being a little less prolific. 34 posts a day in 6 wks! Stunning!

[nc4bo]

140. Heehee - floaters. nt

[That Guy 888]

109. I see Clinton's nostalgia for the cold war extends to recreating Soviet style propaganda n/t

[Tavarious Jackson]

112. You would know.

[Shemp Howard]

119. It's actually pretty easy.

Just get the text of a North Korean Kim Jong-un propaganda piece, take out Kim's name, and insert Hillary's.

One North Korean propaganda piece I saw claimed that Kim once went golfing, and scored 18 holes-in-one. I suppose we'll see that in regards to Hillary soon.

And for what it's worth, I think that Hillary herself would be as appalled by the original post as we are. It's embarrassing.

[guillaumeb]

113. Mesmerized or low blood sugar?

Both can make one somewhat dizzy.

[rickford66]

116. 174 posts in 6 days?

If you were following Bernie like most of us, for many years, he has given many specifics. If Hillary is the nominee, I hope she wins, but she's still Miss Weather vane to us.

[7wo7rees]

131. There appears to be a consistent number coming through on

numbers of posts, per day, by really new members here at DU, 30 to 35. I am just throwing it out, I think there may be a quota... Just too consistent.

We have been here for forever and truly can't imagine 35 posts in a day.

[Miles Archer]

117. Glad that's working out for ya.

Wish I could have read the whole post but you lost me at "I am completely mesmorized by Hillary."

[Arazi]

118. Well done Tygrbeat fanboi swoon!

[One Black Sheep]

120. Uh huh. Well, I used to be a hard core Hillary supporter,

was her number one fan, had posters of her all over, defended her every action and word as right and noble, and then, I woke up, and I converted to Bernie Sanders. One day, I saw the light! Maybe you can find it one day, and be saved, at last...

[okasha]

190. Hmm. You joined up two days ago,

have 149 posts, and a handle that parodies the username of an AA member who has been relentlessly trolled by the BernieBros.

Enjoy your stay.

[ChiciB1]

121. Sorry, NOT BUYING What You're Selling! Do You Realize How Much This

is happened here at DU right now??? New people posting and dumping on Bernie, pumping up Hillary! This dog don't hunt no more!

When did you get YOUR email to post here??

Don't bother answering because it's kind of becoming a broken record now!

Have a nice WAR!

[EndElectoral]

125. I'm mesmerized too...(link below)

[wildeyed]

126. I like her specifics, too.

I own a small business, and reading her small business platform, I realized that she really got the nitty-gritty of what we need to succeed. There was nothing razzle-dazzle about it, and most would not know one way or another about the topic. But as someone who lives that reality, it was good to see that she was knowledgeable.

In my experience, it is the little policy tweaks that get done, not big ideological ones. That is just the nature of democracy in a country with a wide spectrum of beliefs. But GOOD tweaks can make a huge difference down the line. I think Clinton IS smart, highly experienced, and that her heart really is in the right place. She is also funnier than most give her credit for.

Once the primary is settled, most will calm down, look clearly at the options and make the right choice.

[Tavarious Jackson]

136. I am sure she will be our next POTUS

I'm looking forward to 2017.

[wildeyed]

142. I am working hard to make that a reality!

[Loudestlib]

129. I am completely mesmorized by bullshit posts. lol

n/t

[grossproffit]

130. Welcome to DU! If this had been a "mesmerized" by Bernie post it'd have a gazillion rec's by now.

[riversedge]

132. Welcome and thanks for your post. I have always said that Hillary is a policy wonk and

when she gets a new position, she puts her heart and soul into it.



Forward.............And may The Force be with her

[rickford66]

156. "when she gets a new position, she puts her heart and soul into it. "

Any new ones today?

[Ash_F]

135. The only recs you have ever had on this site are for anti-Sanders OPs

You never recced one positive OP during your time as a supporter? Or any other subject?

[Tavarious Jackson]

137. I had to change clothes

Too many peeps trying to convince me I was wrong about wanting to switch.

[Ash_F]

138. Vote your conscious.

[passiveporcupine]

174. Oh my

IF that were true, you'd not be admitting you were once a Bernie fan now. Those same peeps are still here. And I think we all know you better than you think we do.

[bunnies]

244. Youre a sock, then?

[KelleyKramer]

247. Ssssshhhhaaaa POW!!!

Oh, thats going to leave a mark!

[workinclasszero]

139. Glad you are supporting Hillary

You will get lots of hate for that around here unfortunately but stick around.

We need more Hill fans here on the Bernie Underground.

[Goblinmonger]

141. Cool story, bro.

Got any other tales to tell?

[w4rma]

143. Did you copy that wall of words from a script? (nt)

[andym]

148. Which aspects of her policies do you like better than Bernie's and why?

Give some examples, beyond the generalities in your OP.

[Doctor_J]

152. .

Ick

[Rosa Luxemburg]

153. She certainly laid out her plans world wide for fracking

and the GMOs

[LiberalAndProud]

157. Aw wasn't the word you were looking for.

Also, for future reference, your subect line will not be spellchecked.

As for your political conversion testimony, that is aw$um.



[font size="1"]"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?[/font]

[stevenleser]

158. Ignore the nasty responses. They will be gone in a few weeks!

Welcome aboard!

[bvf]

203. Nope. Not hardly.

Anything to the rumor that the post-primary DU regime is going to start by retroactively imposing time-outs on every member who is currently active thanks solely to amnesty?

Nah. Probably nothing to it.

[stevenleser]

206. As long as the TOS is upheld regarding support for the nominee, I'll gladly sacrifice

a few weeks off of DU.

[QC]

162. I am totally entranced by my Lava Lamp©.

How does it do that, anyway?

[k8conant]

163. Ah, has she done reprises of this wonderful speech?

[Tavarious Jackson]

184. She was right

it's been hard for Obama. He has done better than expected with the racist opposition he has.

[Arugula Latte]

165. You are so full of it.

You never supported Bernie. You were so obviously a fake.

[passiveporcupine]

176. I think you know what I know

[Tavarious Jackson]

185. I'm open to a lot of things but

I am not a psychic! What do you know? Spill it.

[passiveporcupine]

187. I wasn't addressing you

I have to go knit myself a new pair of socks now. My feet are cold. Bye!

[Gothmog]

166. I got to shake her hand on Friday

She is an amazing lady and by far the most qualified candidate in the field

[Tavarious Jackson]

186. I think so too.

I hope to meet her someday. I have seen President Clinton twice.

[GoneOffShore]

191. Met WJC once

[Exilednight]

167. Look Everyonr....Another come to Hillary thread.

[LiberalAndProud]

170. It's a shame we must imagine the music track.

Let me help.

[bjo59]

202. Nice!

[frylock]

171. ..

[Calista241]

173. Oh please. I couldn't even read that without rolling my eyes.

[underthematrix]

177. Welp at least your eye muscles got a work out

[Blue_In_AK]

175. LOL.

This is either amazing satire from a newbie, or you were never, ever, ever a Bernie supporter.

[Fumesucker]

178. Brilliant satire!

You almost had me and I'm not an easy mark... Well by DU standards anyway.

[dchill]

180. How 'bout another cup of Hot Brockolate?

[bkkyosemite]

182. ......................................................................

[aikoaiko]

188. Mesmerized is what you would have to be in order to write that OP

Enjoy your visit

[sheshe2]

192. K&R!

Outstanding, Tavarious!

[Katashi_itto]

194. "Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Hillary R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn..!"

[Warren DeMontague]

195. SHE IS CLEARLY THE MOST ADVANCED LIFE-FORM THIS UNIVERSE HAS EVER PRODUCED

BAR NONE!

[bjo59]

201. This is a good one!

[cliffordu]

196. It's spelled 'mesmerized'

You'd think they'd give you a dictionary with the scripts.

[akbacchus_BC]

197. You are too funny! Go Bernie all the way to the DNC convention.

Mr. Sanders is whom America needs, not another wall street person! Anyways, you are too funny!

[akbacchus_BC]

200. Good for you! We all have our allegiance

[newrevolution]

205. LOL

Can you be more obvious .




Let me speak to your supervisor .

[Ghost Dog]

207. Specifics & details from both candidates re. Climate Change

extracted from the respective campaign websites. Care to compare, contrast and comment?

1. Clinton:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

Generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America, with half a billion solar panels installed by the end of Hillary’s first term.

Cut energy waste in American homes, schools, hospitals and offices by a third and make American manufacturing the cleanest and most efficient in the world.

Reduce American oil consumption by a third through cleaner fuels and more efficient cars, boilers, ships and trucks.

Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan, which will prevent 3,600 premature deaths and 90,000 asthma attacks annually, and efficiency standards for cars, trucks and appliances that are already reducing energy costs for American households and businesses by over $75 billion per year.

Launch a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge to partner with states, cities, and rural communities and give them the tools and resources they need to go beyond federal standards in cutting carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. The Clean Energy Challenge will also help ensure all Americans share in the benefits of a clean energy economy by encouraging solar and energy efficiency investments in low-income communities.

Invest in clean energy infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing and workforce developmentto make the U.S. economy more competitive and create good paying jobs and careers. Hillary has a comprehensive plan for making existing energy infrastructure cleaner and safer, unlocking new investment, and forging a climate compact with Canada and Mexico to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and accelerate clean energy deployment across the continent.

Ensure safe and responsible energy production. As we transition to a clean energy economy, we must ensure that the fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible and that areas too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table. Hillary knows there are some places where we should keep fossil fuels in the ground or under the ocean.

Reform leasing on public lands. As president, Hillary would reform fossil fuel leasing and significantly expand clean energy production on public lands, from wind in Wyoming to solar in Nevada.

End wasteful tax subsidies for oil and gas companies. Oil and gas companies have enjoyed billions in tax breaks for decades. Hillary would end those wasteful subsidies and invest in clean energy.

Cut methane emissions across the economy. Hillary would cut emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40-45 percent and put in place strong standards for reducing leaks from both new and existing sources.

Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.

Make environmental justice and climate justice central priorities. Across America, air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites are disproportionately impacting low-income communities and communities of color—and climate change will make that impact even more severe. Hillary will set a bold national goal to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health risk within five years, create new economic opportunity by cleaning up the more than 450,000 toxic brownfield sites across the country, expand solar and energy efficiency solutions in low-income communities, and include the voices of community leaders, the environmental justice movement, and outside experts in taking on these challenges with a new Environmental and Climate Justice Task Force.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/26/renewable-power-vision/

First, Hillary Clinton will make it a top priority to fight efforts to roll back the Clean Power Plan. The Clean Power Plan is a crucial tool in our national strategy to reduce carbon pollution, level the playing field for and increase the deployment of renewable energy, and build a clean energy future. In the face of attacks from climate change deniers, we will need a champion in the White House to defend it and implement it effectively.

But smart federal standards set the floor, not the ceiling. We can and must go further.

Hillary Clinton will launch a Clean Energy Challenge that forms a new partnership with states, cities, and rural communities that are ready to lead on clean energy. She will outline this Challenge in detail in the coming weeks, and it will include:

Climate Action Competition: Competitive grants and other market-based incentives to empower states to exceed federal carbon pollution standards and accelerate clean energy deployment.

Solar X-Prize: Awards for communities that successfully cut the red tape that slows rooftop solar installation times and increases costs for businesses and consumers.

Transforming the Grid:Work with states, cities and rural communities to strengthen grid reliability and resilience, increase consumer choice and improve customer value.

Rural Leadership: Expand the Rural Utilities Service and other successful USDA programs to help provide clean, reliable, and affordable energy, not just to rural Americans but to the rest of the country as well.

As part of the Clean Energy Challenge, Clinton will ensure that every part of the federal government is working in concert to help Americans build a clean energy future. This includes:

Transmission Investment: Ensure the federal government is a partner, not an obstacle, in getting low-cost wind and other renewable energy to market.

Solar Access: Overcome barriers that prevent low-income and other households from using solar energy to reduce their monthly energy bills.

Tax Incentives: Fight to extend federal clean energy incentives and make them more cost effective both for taxpayers and clean energy producers.

Public Lands and Infrastructure: Expand renewable energy on public lands, federal buildings, and federally-funded infrastructure, including an initiative to significantly increase hydropower generation from existing dams across the US.

Innovation: Increase public investment in clean energy R&D, including in storage technology, designed materials, advanced nuclear, and carbon capture and sequestration. Expand successful innovation initiatives, like ARPA-e, and cut those that fail to deliver results.

But this is only part of a comprehensive energy and climate agenda.

This is just the beginning of the energy and climate strategy that Hillary will present over the coming months, including ways in which the Clean Energy Challenge will improve the efficiency of our buildings and modernize our transportation system, as well as major initiatives in the following areas:

Energy and Climate Security: Reduce the amount of oil consumed in the United States and around the world, guard against energy supply disruptions, and make our communities, our infrastructure, and our financial markets more resilient to climate-related risks.

Modernizing North American Infrastructure:Improve the safety and security of existing energy infrastructure and align new infrastructure we build with the clean energy economy we are seeking to create.

Safe and Responsible Production: Ensure that fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible, that taxpayers get a fair deal for development on public lands, and that areas that are too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table.

Coal Communities: Protect the health and retirement security of coalfield workers and their families and provide economic opportunities for those that kept the lights on and factories running for more than a century.

Collaborative Stewardship: Renew our shared commitment to the conservation of our disappearing lands, waters, and wildlife, to the preservation of our history and culture, and to expanding access to the outdoors for all Americans.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/26/renewable-power-vision/

2. Sanders:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/climate-change/

Cut U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent by 2030 and by over 80 percent by 2050 by putting a tax on carbon pollution, repealing fossil fuel subsidies and making massive investments in energy efficiency and clean, sustainable energy such as wind and solar power.

Create a Clean-Energy Workforce of 10 million good-paying jobs by creating a 100% clean energy system. Transitioning toward a completely nuclear-free clean energy system for electricity, heating, and transportation is not only possible and affordable it will create millions of good jobs, clean up our air and water, and decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

Return billions of dollars to consumers impacted by the transformation of our energy system and protect the most vulnerable communities in the country suffering the ravages of climate change. Bernie will tax polluters causing the climate crisis, and return billions of dollars to working families to ensure the fossil fuel companies don’t subject us to unfair rate hikes. Bernie knows that climate change will not affect everyone equally – disenfranchised minority communities and the working poor will be hardest hit. The carbon tax will also protect those most impacted by the transformation of our energy system and protect the most vulnerable communities in the country suffering the ravages of climate change...

Ban fossil fuels lobbyists from working in the White House. Massive lobbying and unlimited super PAC donations by the fossil fuel industry gives these profitable companies disproportionate influence on our elected leaders. This practice is business as usual in Washington and it is not acceptable. Heavy-handed lobbying causes climate change skepticism. It has no place in the executive office.

End the huge subsidies that benefit fossil fuel companies. When fossil-fuel companies are racking up record profits, it is absurd to provide massive taxpayer subsidies to pad their already enormous earnings. After all, it is immoral that some in Congress advocate harsh cuts in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security while those same people vote to preserve billions in tax breaks for the most profitable corporations in America.

Create a national environmental and climate justice plan that recognizes the heightened public health risks faced by low-income and minority communities. Low-income and minority neighborhoods will continue to be the hardest hit if we don’t act to stop climate change now. Ten years ago, Hurricane Katrina decimated the Gulf Coast, flooding 80 percent of the city of New Orleans. Some areas of the city were submerged in as much as 10 feet of water, and 28 percent of residents had no way to leave the city. Almost 100,000 African American residents who left New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina never returned. The reality of the impacts of the storm on the African American community in New Orleans exposed the broader trend that low-income and minority communities face the brunt of climate change impacts first and worst.

Bring climate deniers to justice so we can aggressively tackle climate change. It is an embarrassment that Republican politicians, with few exceptions, refuse to even recognize the reality of climate change, let alone are prepared to do anything about it. The reality is that the fossil fuel industry is to blame for much of the climate change skepticism in America. Bernie recently called for the Department of Justice to investigate Exxon Mobil, which may have not only known about the dangers of climate change, but has spent millions of dollars to spread doubt about the causes and impacts of burning fossil fuels.

Fight to overturn Citizens United. In a 5-4 decision in 2010 in the Citizens United case, the Supreme Court opened the floodgates for corporations and the super wealthy to spend unlimited and undisclosed money to buy our elected officials. The Supreme Court essentially declared that corporations, including fossil fuel corporations, have the same rights as natural-born human beings. This decision has enabled billionaires and special interests to increasingly control the political campaign finance system, and amounts to legalized bribery...


Embrace a science-based standard for carbon pollution emissions reductions. We have a very limited window of time to transition away from fossil fuels toward clean energy for all Americans to prevent a global temperature increase that will cause cataclysmic impacts. Bernie knows that to maintain a safe and healthy planet for our kids and grandchildren we must listen to the scientists who say we must decrease carbon pollution emissions by at least 80 percent from 1990 levels by 2050.

Put a price on carbon. Bernie agrees with leading economists on both ends of the political spectrum: a tax on carbon is one of the most straightforward and cost-effective strategies for quickly fighting climate change.

Protect the health of our children. Kids are uniquely threatened by air pollution from sources like coal plants and oil refineries. Children’s lungs are more sensitive to air pollution than adults. Climate change exacerbates existing air pollution problems, which will only increase the health impacts on children, especially those with respiratory diseases like asthma. As a father of four and a grandfather of seven, Bernie cares about leaving clean air and a healthy, livable planet for all of our kids and grandchildren.

Create clean, domestic energy alternatives to power our cars and trucks. The transportation sector accounts for about 26 percent of carbon pollution emissions. We must move our transportation sector beyond oil by running our cars and trucks on electricity generated by solar and wind power. We need efficient public transportation, advanced renewable fuels and high-speed passenger and cargo rail.

Ban Arctic oil drilling. Bernie knows that drilling in the Arctic Circle and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge at a time when we face a serious climate emergency is unthinkable. Research shows that drilling in the Arctic is inconsistent with efforts to prevent catastrophic global temperature increases. The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which spans 19.6 million acres in Alaska and boasts the greatest biodiversity of any protected area north of the Arctic Circle, is too precious to put at risk from the detrimental consequences of oil production and extraction.

Ban offshore drilling. If we are serious about moving beyond oil toward energy independence, lowering the cost of energy, combatting climate change and cutting carbon pollution emissions, then we must ban offshore drilling. If there is a lesson to be learned from the 2010 BP oil spill disaster, it is that Congress must not open new areas to offshore oil drilling.

Stop dirty pipeline projects like the Keystone XL. Back in August 2011, Bernie was the first national politician to publicly oppose Keystone XL, because he saw that it would move us in exactly the wrong direction, toward greater dependence on fossil fuels, specifically tar sands oil, but also on one of the dirtiest and most expensive fossil fuels imaginable. Bernie was again the first presidential candidate to oppose the Bakken oil pipeline that would cross Iowa and the first to oppose the Northeast Energy Direct Pipeline that would bring fracked natural gas through New Hampshire. We need to invest in clean energy infrastructure, not lock ourselves into long-term payments and significant carbon pollution emissions for pipelines that could cause disastrous oil spills.

Stop exports of liquefied natural gas and crude oil. The Department of Energy has found that exporting even half of the natural gas already approved for export could raise U.S. prices by up to 54 percent. Oil and natural gas exports must be in the interest of consumers, the economy, our manufacturing sector and national security – not merely the interest of fossil fuel companies’ bottom line. Especially while we still import oil, we should be transitioning toward clean, sustainable energy instead of incentivizing more extraction and consumption of fossil fuels.

Stand with Vermont and other states to ban fracking for natural gas. Fracking threatens our air and water. Disposal of wastewater from fracking causes earthquakes. Oklahoma became the number one place for earthquakes on Earth this year because gas companies inject fracking fluid back into the ground. Fracking is a large-scale industrial process that doesn’t belong in anyone’s backyard or deserve exemption from laws that protect the health of our children. That’s why communities all over the country from New York to California and Texas to Colorado have stood up to the oil and gas industry and said they don’t want fracking in their backyards. Bernie was very proud when Vermont became the first state to ban fracking. We have clean energy solutions to climate change, and fracking is not one of them.

Ban mountaintop removal coal mining and invest in Appalachian communities. Across the Appalachian Mountain Range, coal companies are blowing up entire mountaintops to get at the thin coal seams below. The communities in the region are paying for this destructive practice in their health, their culture and their natural heritage. Bernie is in staunch opposition to this dirty and damaging practice and believes we must invest in Appalachian communities to help them transition to a clean, prosperous, and healthy future.

Close the loopholes that allow the chemical, oil and gas industries to pollute our air and water. Bernie served as mayor of Burlington, Vermont, which sits on one of the largest freshwater lakes in the United States, Lake Champlain. Bernie understands the importance of clean water practices and recognizes how it impacts communities. The federal Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act have reduced pollution, but they are always under attack by polluters who put profits before the health of our children and grandchildren.

Increase fuel economy standards to 65 miles per gallon by 2025. Recent fuel economy standards put us on track to reach 54.5 miles per gallon in 2025, which moves us in right direction, but still leaves us lagging behind the rest of the world. Japan is set to reach that level five years before us, and Europe will do even better, reaching over 65 miles per gallon by 2020. Bernie knows we can do more and make our cars internationally competitive by raising our fuel economy standards to 65 miles per gallon by model year 2025. This will save car owners money at the pump, cut carbon pollution emissions and create good-paying American jobs.

Protect public lands by promoting natural resource conservation and habitat preservation. Conservation of our public lands such as our National Parks and Forests are an American tradition and a vehicle for economic growth. Our conserved public land also serves an important role in not only preventing climate change but also in mitigating the catastrophic effects of climate change like floods, hurricanes and other extreme weather that have been increasing in frequency. Bernie is committed to ensuring that Americans have access to urban, suburban and rural recreational green space that are vital to our national heritage and our country’s tradition of recreation and conservation.

Work toward a 100 percent clean energy system and create millions of jobs. Scientists tell us we have a short time to make an aggressive cut in our carbon pollution emissions. Transitioning toward a completely clean energy system for electricity, heating, and transportation is not only possible and affordable it will create millions of good jobs, clean up our air and water and decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

Invest in clean, sustainable energy sources powered by the sun, wind and Earth’s heat. Massive and sustained investment in clean energy technology development and implementation can get us where scientists tell us we need to be. It’s no great secret that clean energy technologies are a good investment. We actually get more energy out of the money invested in sustainable energy technologies than we do out of fossil fuel. Clean energy technology has no associated fuel costs, which means there are no price spikes like we see with oil and gas. The cost of deploying solar panels has gone down by more than 80 percent since 2008, thanks to tax credits and federally funded research and development. Our national solar capacity will soon provide enough energy to power four million homes.

Similarly, wind tax credits spurred the development of wind farms that now provide enough power for 16.7 million American homes. In fact, wind provided almost 30 percent of all new domestic power capacity in the last five years. Last year, nearly 30 percent of the electricity used in Iowa came from the wind. The decreasing cost of wind and solar demonstrates that we can have a 100 percent clean energy future.

Invest in advanced renewable fuels and keep our energy dollars at home. Renewable fuels have become a key component of our national strategy to move beyond oil in the fight against climate change. Renewable fuels must be produced in a way that achieves our environmental and energy security goals. We must both ensure that our renewable fuels production is truly sustainable, and we must also prevent the oil companies from derailing our progress in developing cleaner and more sustainable alternatives to gasoline and diesel. We should emphasize new, clean technologies like cellulosic ethanol and algae-based fuels. Advanced biofuels have enormous potential to deliver dramatic reductions in carbon pollution and strengthen rural economies, all while keeping our energy dollars here at home instead of sending them overseas to oil oligarchs in Russia and the Middle East.

Invest in solar energy and put money back in the pockets of consumers. Bernie believes that solar energy is one of the most promising sources of clean energy for America’s future. That’s why he supports making billions of dollars of investments in renewable energy, like solar. Bernie recently introduced the Low Income Solar Act to increase low-income families’ access to solar energy by making it more affordable for people who own their own home and incentivize access to community solar projects. Investing in solar energy is just as important for the economy as it is for the Earth. Bernie supports solar net metering, which means that people who invest in solar should be able to offset the cost – or in some cases even make money – on their electric utility bill. He recognizes that as we lower the cost of solar energy and increase our use of solar, we can create hundreds of thousands of good-paying manufacturing and installation careers in this country.

Invest in making all American homes more energy efficient. Energy Efficiency is a “low-hanging fruit” because the investments made in energy efficiency are so effective in reducing carbon pollution emissions, and the return on investment is so quick. For every dollar invested in energy efficiency technologies, like weatherization and efficient light bulbs, energy customers can enjoy up to four dollars in savings. Bernie has long been a champion of the Weatherization Assistance Program (WAP), the Rural Energy for America Program (REAP), and the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) that help rural and low-income families make their homes more energy efficient and lower their energy bills. At a time when we spend on average of $350 billion a year on foreign oil, we must take every possible step to invest in cheaper energy here in the United States. That’s why Bernie recently introduced the Residential Energy Savings Act to provide federal loans to states to perform energy efficiency updates to provide homeowners with valuable energy savings.

Support American workers moving into clean energy jobs. Our transition to a clean energy economy has created hundreds of thousands of jobs all over the United States, and Bernie’s climate change plan will create millions more. But we must ensure our transition from fossil fuels to clean energy is a just transition for workers. That’s why Bernie is introducing the Clean Energy Workers Just Transition Act, which provides the most comprehensive package of benefits for workers, including extended unemployment benefits, education opportunities, health care and job training for those transitioning to a career in the clean energy industry. Additionally, the bill ensures that workers in the clean energy industry will be able to organize a union to ensure living wages and safe working conditions. It also makes billions of dollars of investments in communities most affected by a transition to a clean energy future.

Invest in an affordable energy storage solution that will allow us to fulfill our clean energy needs. Affordable energy storage technologies like batteries allow clean energy technologies like wind and solar to be integrated onto the electric grid – even when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining. Effective storage systems can affordably balance energy supply with demand by capturing energy at times when there is excess energy on the system for use during hours of high demand. Battery storage continues to develop and is becoming increasingly more affordable for families all over the country.

Build geothermal power plants to create full time family-wage jobs for operations, engineering, maintenance, and administration. Bernie believes that geothermal energy should play an important role in our country’s future energy portfolio. Geothermal systems can use the constant underground heat to provide heating when it is cool outside and to pull heat from buildings when it is warm outside. Geothermal energy power plants are less expensive than new modern natural gas plants and can be called on to produce power when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing. Geothermal conserves energy, reduces pollution and saves money all at once.Utility-Scale Clean Energy Generation. There are hundreds of thousands of roofs with solar panels, but research and technology developments have significantly improved sustainable energy technologies that are making large-scale clean energy an affordable reality. For example, advancements in utility-scale concentrated solar allows power from the sun to be stored for later use, even when the sun is not shining. Most importantly, concentrated solar power installations create permanent jobs and provide economic support for surrounding communities, which tend to be rural.

Enable greater consumer choice in energy. Americans should have the ability to choose affordable clean technologies for their home and businesses. Additionally, the electric utilities and fossil fuel industries should not be able to get in the way of that choice. Grid modernization technologies enable greater consumer choice and ultimately utility bill savings by making it easier for families to connect clean energy resources to the grid.

Begin a moratorium on nuclear power plant license renewals in the United States. Bernie believes that solar, wind, geothermal power and energy efficiency are proven and more cost-effective than nuclear – even without tax incentives – and that the toxic waste byproducts of nuclear plants are not worth the risks of the technology’s benefit. Especially in light of lessons learned from Japan’s Fukushima meltdown, Bernie has also raised questions about why the federal government invests billions into federal subsidies for the nuclear industry. We can have an affordable carbon-free, nuclear-free energy system and we must work for a safe, healthy future for all Americans.

Provide global clean energy funding to vulnerable countries. The United States should lead the international community in funding technology development and deployment solutions for the most vulnerable developing countries as part of any international agreement...


Build electric vehicle charging stations. In a country where nearly 30 percent of carbon pollution emissions come from the transportation sector, it is imperative that we end our dependence on gasoline. Vehicles that run on electricity are more efficient than internal combustion engines and can be powered with renewable energy resources like wind and solar. We need to support the development of vehicle charging stations that will allow us to drive cleanly and sustainably.

Build high-speed passenger and cargo rail. Our nation’s rail system is largely obsolete, even though our energy-efficient railroads move more freight than ever, and Amtrak’s ridership has never been higher. While Amtrak’s fastest train travels at an average speed of just 65 mph, high-speed rail now crisscrosses most of Europe, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and China with trains that run up to 200 mph. Once we have a state-of-the-art rail system, we will not only be able to move passengers and cargo faster and more efficiently, we will make significant cuts in carbon pollution emissions that cause climate change and create millions of permanent family-wage jobs for electricians, pipe fitters and sheet-metal workers.

Make our cities more walkable and take more cars off the road. Public transit can move more people in fewer vehicles, which is good for clean air and reducing carbon pollution emissions. Public transportation saves enough electricity to power nearly 5 million homes in the United States. Despite the potential for public transit and biking to save Americans money and reduce emissions, the United States has a long way to go to make the roads safe for those who choose these alternative modes of transportation.

Update and modernize the energy grid. Some of our grid infrastructure has not been updated since it was first built in the 1920s and 1930s. This causes hundreds of avoidable power failures and interruptions each year. Today, power failures cost the economy $164 billion annually, stemming from impacts like lost productivity and wasted food. Those costs are only expected to increase as climate change causes more extreme weather, which can knock the power out. Additionally, our grid is highly centralized and therefore susceptible to cyber and physical attacks. Technology development in clean energy resources and electric grid improvements have enabled “smart” technologies, programs and policies to create a safer, more sustainable energy system. The “smart grid” offers real benefits for consumers and the environment.
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Convene a climate summit with the world’s best engineers, climate scientists, policy experts, activists and indigenous communities in his first 100 days. The United Nations Paris climate talks in December are an important milestone toward solving climate change, but even optimistic outcomes of these talks will not put the world on the path needed to avoid the most catastrophic results of climate change. We must think beyond Paris. In the first 100 days of Bernie’s Presidency, he will convene a summit of the world’s best climate experts to chart a course toward the healthy future we all want for our families and communities.

Lead countries in cutting climate change. Climate change is the greatest global challenge, and must be met with global solutions. The United States has contributed greatly to climate change, but also has the greatest opportunity and know-how to lead in implementing climate change solutions. The argument that we shouldn’t act until other countries do is falling by the wayside as China, India and many other countries have come to the table with initial commitments to take significant action to solve climate change.

Plan for peace to avoid international climate-fueled conflict. Changes in rainfall patterns, higher temperatures and more frequent natural disasters such as droughts and flooding due to climate change pose a direct threat to our global food and energy supply. In the United States, this could mean higher food and energy prices. In some developing countries, the effects could be even worse, and lead to temporary or more permanent situations where not enough food or water is available for everyone. This has the potential to result in an international climate-fueled conflict. Bernie believes that we must plan for peace now in order to prepare for this sort of dire conflict that is already beginning to unfold in parts of the world.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/climate-change/

[Tavarious Jackson]

208. Thank you.

I do not see a huge difference! Certainly not one that is as divisive as this primary is.

[Cobalt Violet]

209. I am completely mortified by Hillary.

Worse candidate ever. Couldn't the establishment find anyone less liked?

[Tavarious Jackson]

210. Mortified is a strong word.

Take some time and read her policy plans. Look how she voted as Senator. Be reasonable. Look at her favor-ability ratings as SOS.

[w4rma]

211. If I could pin her down on her policies, it would allow me to judge them. (nt)

[Tavarious Jackson]

212. Look at her votes

Take a hard look at what she has been fighting for her whole life.

[Vinca]

213. I believe your sudden conversion as much as I believe in Keebler elves living in trees.

[Tavarious Jackson]

214. I believe you believe.

You have to have strong faith and persistent imagination to continue supporting Sanders. so.. I believe you believe in elves.

[Vinca]

215. Oh, wait. It's not a Keebler elf. It's a Trump-loving comment troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512032974

[libtodeath]

216. Explain to me her plans to get us to single payer health care.

[Amimnoch]

224. she won't.

But she does have a plan for improving it.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

Perhaps you can tell me how a Sanders Presidency would have passed a single payer reform bill?

What House of Representatives or Senate in the 115th would have passed it? Do you have a theoretical roll call vote? Even with the most optimistic results there is no upcoming congress for it. More likely we're going to be keeping the House that's continually tried to kill the ACA act since 2010 much less have any appetite at all for improving upon it.

At best, for at LEAST the next couple years, and likely longer, the BEST we can hope for is a President that will block congress from killing the ACA as it is. Of the 2 we have running in the Democratic party, Hillary is the most capable of succeeding with this.

If we change the landscape of Congress, we can move forward.

[panader0]

222. I think you meant mesmerized --after Franz Mesmer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Mesmer

[gollygee]

225. Wow, you are taking a lot of heat here

I really like Bernie. He is a goal-oriented person, so he talks more about goals, and yes therefore he doesn't talk as much about specifics. But I voted for him because I wanted someone who had some of the same goals I have. Not all of his goals could even be realized right away, but they were my goals too and I loved the idea of having a president who would head us in that direction.

Also, I think both Bernie and Hillary are very smart people. This is not an election between people of very different levels of intelligence. And plans and details are not good indicators of intelligence. They just have two different personalities and ways of being. One is goal oriented, and one is concerned more with practicalities. I feel like goals are the harder thing to work around. If Bernie has my goals but isn't up on how to practically put them into action, he can work on that over time. But I can't make Hillary have my goals. One can be worked on while someone is in office, and one can't.

This all seems like a ridiculous discussion at this point anyway. It's clear Hillary is going to win the nomination, and I think she'll easily win the general election. I will certainly vote for her over Trump, but I did vote for Bernie over Hillary in my state's primary.

I'm sorry you're getting so many nasty replies. The majority of people at DU are Bernie supporters, and Hillary supporters get hit by that sometimes.

[polly7]

226. LOL. Thanks for the funny thread, it was great! nt.

[Phlem]

227. Another one! Tue May 17, 2016 212 posts = Troll

6 days here and 212 posts.

Not as aggressive as the last one cause he/she racked up roughly the same amount in 3 days but May 17th seems to be the magic number.

Same guy, different guy, it doesn't matter.

Troll!

the going rate must be based by how many posts the they put up.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo fake it's dripping with.....

[hobbit709]

229. Sure you are.

[Jester Messiah]

231. Another low-post-count sudden convert from Bernie? Wow.

What are the odds?

[kstewart33]

236. Ah, the old 'new members are plants' meme.

Really?

Tavarious, welcome to DU.

[Jester Messiah]

245. Memes are memes for a reason.

But no, go ahead and stick your head in the sand.

[onehandle]

232. Thanks for this. nt

[RKP5637]

234. Who wrote this for you? n/t

[ThePhilosopher04]

235. Bullshit. There are no "former Bernie supporters." They don't exist. Nice try though.

[Tavarious Jackson]

238. Oh they most certainly do exist.

They have to leave and get a sock to avoid the bullshit.

[ThePhilosopher04]

240. You and I both know better.

[AlbertCat]

242. I am a former Bernie supporter, after what happened in Nevada I could no longer support....

Yeah yeah.... this ol' story.

Right, you were for Bernie....if you say so....

[islandmkl]

243. you have created a certain phenomenon....more replies to this OP than your total number of posts...

not too convinced about your 'Bernie, but...' bonafides....but, hey....it's the internet....

like my uncle used to say, "Once you're 50 miles from your hometown, you are whatever you tell people you are..."

[bitchkitty]

246. Well fuck me, I'm convinced!

I'm a Bernie Supporter but being mesmorized sounds terribly exciting. Where do I sign up? At CorrectTheRecord.org?

[TimPlo]

248. I do hope this OP is getting paid for this

Because coming on here and giving so obvious post that no one accept some brain washed bobble-head would buy it. If they are not getting paid what is point? Just to sit at his/hers computer and turn to the cat and say "I just owned Sanders big time with my post, I am so cool." And yell "MOM BRING ME DOWN SOME CHEESY POOFS"

[mr blur]

249. Cool story, bro.

But you're right, she is wonderful, isn't she? I wish I were an American just so that I could just live in the same country as her. That would be so kewl!

Unfortunately, now that our own dear Margaret Thatcher has passed on, we have no-one at all like Saint Hillary over here. But I like to think that the Blessed Hillary is channelling old Margaret herself: indeed, sometimes I watch Hillary and it's as if The Iron Lady has returned to us! Better hope that Hillary doesn't get the urge to invade Argentina or somewhere else that is absolutely no threat to the US or she'll be straight in there!

Now, wipe the drool off your keyboard and calm down, eh?