The Bernie Clown Show Continues: He rails against superdelegates, then says they should support him

[Cali_Democrat]

Jake Tapper grilled Bernie Sanders on CNN’s State of the Union today over whether his continued attacks against Hillary Clinton hurt the Democrats in the fall.

Sanders continued to make arguments about the Democratic party being too out-of-touch, but Tapper brought up just how unlikely it is that he would actually “achieve the majority of the pledged delegates.”

He confronted Sanders over whether he believes the candidate with the majority of delegates heading into the convention should be the Democratic nominee. Sanders, who minutes earlier railed against the unfair superdelegate system, said that superdelegates should be taking an “objective look” at which candidate would be better in the fall.

Tapper said, “With all due respect, sir, she has more votes than you and she has more pledged delegates.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tapper-grills-sanders-over-continued-fight-with-hillary-she-has-more-votes-than-you/

[saltpoint]

1. What a genuine contribution Bernie

Sanders has made to the U.S. American political landscape this cycle.

I cast my primary vote for him and would do it again.

[nc4bo]

3. Hear-Hear!!! +100. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

58. Another zero nuance OP. Something sucks & must operate with institutional constructs = hypocrite!

[saltpoint]

69. Love that you reference 'institutional

constructs,' especially in this election, when there is a palpable instability in the air.

Republicans of the sort who liked Eisenhower just could not possibly be the Republicans of the sort who like Trump or Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum or all the rest of the macabre flock of sociopaths the GOP has been nominating for some decades now.

Hillary Clinton says her campaign is about "being stronger together," but she cavorts with people who are not hearing that message at all, and in many cases, strive mightily to ignore it. Many Democrats are not Clinton Democrats. Sanders has not captured all of those Democrats, but he's persuaded quite a few of us. Visionary public servants don't come along all the time. They appear uncommonly and voters don't always welcome them very warmly.

Institutional constructs -- major political parties included -- are too often among the unwelcoming when meaningful reform makes a rare pass near the political orbit.

[seabeyond]

2. He does the same with votes. Totally floors me. How is it working for you.... I think.

Insult, attack falsely accuse the Democratic parties, dismiss the women, blacks, Latinos and gays, then demand our vote. The Democratic base. Audacity, I tell you.

[Silver_Witch]

31. Bernie has never dismissed woman, blacks, Latinos or gays.

On the other hand Hillary Clinton has said that marriage is sacred and should be between only one man and one woman....

And that children who are involved in crime "should be brought to heel" first.

Find any quote like those which Bernie has made - EVER.

[seabeyond]

33. Yes he has. Consistently, regularly. Lets put those wedge issues to the side and discuss what is

important. To the side goes, woman, blacks, Latinos or gays. So that we can discuss what is really important, who is really being picked on. White, middle/upper middle class, men and college student.

Hoo Rah.

[Silver_Witch]

41. If this is true - it will be easy for you to provide evidence.

And yet you don't. You only restate your personal belief.

I happen to be a woman, and not a college student nor middle class.

What would you like to discuss that is more important.

[seabeyond]

42. I am not doing the hunting for you.

[Silver_Witch]

43. If you have to "hunt" for them they must be very few.

People have been hunting for Big Foot for decades and have not found one - simply because it does not exist. Neither do the "incidents" of which you speak.

Yet, I gave you true incidents of Hillary and her beliefs - I have many more. But I find if someone does not address the first two there is no point in putting forth any others.

If you can explain how she has EVER supported gays I would like to hear that. As Secretary of State she made them remove Parent 1 and Parent 2 on childrens passports because she felt it should be a man and woman. Look here is a link on a site which is Dem and not some right wing rag!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-same-sex-passports_us_560c68e6e4b076812700bf06

“Who made the decision that State will not use the terms ‘mother and father’ and instead substitute ‘parent one and two’?” Clinton wrote in an email to staff on Jan. 8, 2011. The email was released Wednesday by the State Department as part of an ongoing dump of emails that Clinton sent from a personal account during her time as secretary of state.

I can find many incidents proving that Clinton does not support Gays or others...it was not even much of a "hunt".

This is the problem with Clinton supporters - you give us NO reason to support her and she certainly has indicated she does not want our vote!

[rbixby]

46. Not sure if that's relavent

It seems to me more like in the context of it being an election year and not wanting to give the right extra ammunition at that time. I mean interpret it how you want, but that's what it seems like to me.

[Silver_Witch]

48. No idea what you are saying!

You mean the poster is worried giving me facts will feed the Republicans. How would supporting Clinton do that?

[Demsrule86]

71. Bernie is all about the white privlege.

Women and people of color don't matter to him at all. I have never seen any evidence of it anyway.

[seabeyond]

72. Sanders will go so far as vote the right way put in front of him. Thats the extent of his effort. Nt

[Demsrule86]

70. Bernie did nothing for LGBT

And he said that abortion was a distraction...has never mentioned it has he? He also has never mentioned any issues important to women...he said guns were divisive....so just let the killing continue I guess...he is a one trick pony and is not liberal at all...just a bank hater.

[vintx]

65. You just live in your own little alternate version of reality, don't you?

When Hillary was campaigning for a segregationist, Bernie was a civil rights activist.

When Hillary was backing DOMA, Bernie was speaking up for equal rights on the floor.

While Hillary is willing to place restrictions on our right to control our own bodies. Bernie is not (he doesn't chase Republican donors, either )

Reality doesn't change just because you want to believe something bad enough.

[seabeyond]

68. WTF are you talking about? Sanders has been dissing DEMOCRATS and the Democratic PARTY for a year

now. Oh wait, make that four fuckin decades.

He has burn the bridge for a lot of Democrats as we are constantly insulted. While he demands our vote, tells us he is our savior and is going to fix our party.

You honestly do not see that as like..... hmmmm, well, how about a poor strategic move, running a campaign and all.

I get it. He is suppose to be able to insult us all and accuse us of shit that didn't happen. Trash our candidate and everyone who supports her.

And he demands our vote, as he now talks about overturning our vote at the convention. Ya think maybe I am not making shit up. Just pissed, lol.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. To paraphrase a certain presidential candidate in 1992, at least clowns make people laugh.

The medical marijuana patients being sent to prison in Florida because Debbie Wasserman Schultz worked with Sheldon Adelson to defeat reform there, probably dont get many laughs these days.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. You're right

I guess I won't be voting for Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Sheldon Adelson.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. Well, as long as Hillary doesn't put em on the ticket, RIGHT? HA HA RIGHT?

HA HA HA


HA


HA HA HA

[seabeyond]

11. "It's Bernie who expects a coronation." Time and time again. That is the ironic funny in all this. N

[Warren DeMontague]

19. He's not going to be the nominee. I suspect he knows this.

However, to many of us it is legitimate to finish out the primary process and hope for more genuine commitment to progressive points of policy by party leadership.

Once we get to the convention, we can work for unity, and I believe it will be the responsibility of both camps to come together. That's my take.

[Eric J in MN]

15. What question? NT

NT

[Warren DeMontague]

18. What question did Tapper ask?

[Warren DeMontague]

28. I'm a Sanders supporter. I'm just me, I'm not "you guys". And I've already answered that question.

But I'll answer it again.

Yes.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. My own counsel I will keep on what I 'need' to do, thanks. Non Serviam.

But beyond that, you can stop saying "no Sanders supporter will answer my question", because one just did.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. I've been here too long.

[Silver_Witch]

35. Yes - of course the one who wins the most Delegates should win.

We are not done yet and although the odds are not good there is more to a campaign than surrender. This is about forcing the Dems to see all the members of the party.

I am a member of the party and Bernie speaks for me!

[bjo59]

6. You should be worrying more about your own candidate

rather than the no-chance-in-hell candidate you oppose.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. Hopefully, someday, the Democratic Party will rid itself of Superdelegates and live up to its name.

Not to mention closed primaries and corporate investments in candidates.

[Trust Buster]

9. You ignored the question of Sanders flip flop regarding Super delegates.

[Eric J in MN]

14. There was no flip flop.

Sanders hopes Super Delegates support him this year. He wants them to have a smaller role in future years (such as waiting longer to endorse.)

I voted in the MN Caucus which is the system we had in MN this year. I also wrote state legislators asking them to give us primaries in the future. It isn't a contradiction to participate in a flawed process and to want a better process next time.

[Trust Buster]

17. He is against Super delegates. Now he foolishly hopes that they will switch from the leader in

votes and delegates and magically vote for him. That's a HUGE flip flop.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. You could just cut off his feet

he'll never do it again!

[Eric J in MN]

22. I wish Sanders were against the Super Delegate system.

I am. He's not.

He wants the SD system reformed but not eliminated.

[Silver_Witch]

36. THIS!!!!! Seriously sooo right on!

[Trust Buster]

8. The guy is a phony, selfish hypocrit.

[seabeyond]

12. A con. Nt

[Warren DeMontague]

23. hypo-what?

[Silver_Witch]

37. Name calling.

Is that all you have?

[Eric J in MN]

13. That article is written to invent a contradiction.

Sanders said that over 400 Super Delegates endorsed Clinton before he announced; Super Delegates should wait longer to endorse. He also said that they should consider that he polls better against Trump.

Watch the video on that webpage for yourself and you'll see there isn't a contradiction.

[Demsrule86]

24. That is such a flip flop

First of all...the supers endorsed Hillary in 08 as well...she was a popular senator, unlike Sanders. But they switched when Obama won the most delegates...and Clinton conceded and endorsed. Secondly, sorry Bernie we don't use polls to choose our nominee...and you may think it is ok to overturn...millions of primary votes but people who truly believe in democracy don't.

[Silver_Witch]

39. Hillary did not concede or endorse until after the final Primary in California

As it will be this time. Bernie will concede and endorse when/if that happens.

[Logical]

21. You are the only Clown here. Disgusting how rude you are. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. In all my years here, I've never seen such rudeness as that displayed by Hillary supporters... It's a sign of weakness in the belief in their candidate.

It would be almost funny if not for the detrimental effect it will have on party unity when Bernie gets the nomimation at the convention.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Silver_Witch]

27. Why to you have to be rude?

It is not a "clown show". This is a democratic candidate that is running for office. He is a respected Senator. Name calling is pretty immature. I see you made some good points in quoting the incident - however the name calling makes it rather moot to me now.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. because that's what some people here do.

It passes for entertainment in some circles, maybe among the people who don't watch Game of Thrones.

[Gothmog]

45. Sanders is lying about a contested convention to keep the small dollar donations flowing

[R B Garr]

47. Saw this. Jake Tapper is not the only one finally prodding Sanders into being accountable.

Sanders has had a free ride of unquestioned talking points on the media circuits and is only now getting some much needed pushback. This kind of accountability is long overdue for Sanders.

[frylock]

49. Is this anything like the Clinton Clown Show where she rails against Citzens United..

while taking full advantage of it?

[Cali_Democrat]

50. You must be thinking of the other guy

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-is-democrats-top-beneficiary-of-outside-spending-like-it-or-not.html?_r=0

[frylock]

51. No, I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about Mrs Clinton.

Actually TAKING money, not merely being the beneficiary of ads against their opponent that the candidate has no control over.

[Cali_Democrat]

54. Bernie's campaign is actually the campaign that's in trouble with the FEC.

Bernie's campaign is actually the campaign that's in trouble with the FEC, not Hillary's.

Bernie's campaign has violated federal election laws.

Educate yourself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511946269

[frylock]

59. Oh my GAWD! This is the first time in herstory that a campaign has been investigated by the FEC.

Obama campaign to pay $375,000 fine for omitting some donor’s names in 2008

President Obama’s campaign has agreed to pay a $375,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission, among the largest penalties in the agency’s history.

The fine was imposed after an audit of the campaign’s books showed that it failed to report the identities of donors who gave large checks in the weeks before the 2008 election, according to a copy of the agreement between the FEC and the president’s campaign.

The document shows that the Obama campaign failed to disclose the identities of donors responsible for $2 million in contributions in the weeks ahead of the election. The campaign also misreported the dates of $85 million in other contributions.

In addition, the Obama campaign also kept $1.3 million in contributions that were above the legal maximum allowed for a federal campaign, failing to return them within the 60 days required by law. The campaign kept almost $874,000 of those donations until the FEC discovered they were unlawful.

<more>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-to-pay-375000-fine-for-omitting-some-donors-names-in-2008/2013/01/04/78973402-56bb-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

[vintx]

66. Isn't it cute how they keep acting like that's done huge gotcha?

[liberalnarb]

52. No

National Nurses United is a separate entity from the Official Sanders Campaign and it can raise as much money as it wants. Bernie's campaign has practiced what it has preached. It only excepts $2,700 from each individual that chooses to donate.

[Cali_Democrat]

55. By law, all super PAC's are considered separate entities.

BTW, I love your sig lines.

It's funny how you guys swooning over a bird landing on his podium.

[liberalnarb]

56. Yes, super pacs are separate entities...

that give millions to campaigns alongside their own "work".

[Cali_Democrat]

57. Bernie's campaign has violated federal election campaign contribution limits:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511946269

Podium bird says what?

[liberalnarb]

61. Small donations that added up to more than the limit.

The childish comments at the end of your threads are asinine.

[liberalnarb]

53. Well,

if the super delegates do what they are supposedly there to due, which is nominate the candidate with the best chance of winning, then they would choose Bernie. With all the new polls coming in with Hillary behind drumpf, it would be there job to support Bernie.

[TheKentuckian]

60. I don't believe in the electoral college yet I want votes counted.

So what?

[Surya Gayatri]

62. As I've so often said, the Bern doth speak with forked tongue.

Just a typical pol, changing the facts to fit his narrative and self-interest.

[Renew Deal]

63. Bernie Sanders is an opportunist

He doesn't care what you think. It's all about him.

[AgingAmerican]

64. Wrong as always

The Hillary clown car intentionally get everything Sanders does or says WRONG.

[silvershadow]

67. Yep. Ironic how he intends to use exactly the system we ALL agreed on to hopefully

clinch the nomination. One wouldn't expect him to do otherwise. Nor would one expect him to play by a different set of rules than his opponent.

Whatever he might intend to do after he wins is a different topic altogether.

Not exactly what their point is, or do they have one?

This is just propaganda on steroids.

[Demsrule86]

73. He didn't agree

He spent the last year whining about supers...and now hilariously...he wants them to vote for him...sure when pigs fly

[zappaman]

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