Can someone explain to me why POC

[wilt the stilt]

don't back Bernie? People like me who are Asian have no interest in him. Are we stupid? Why is his movement young kids and basically white people?

I'll tell you why I think we dislike him. We busted our asses to make it and we hate people who whine and blame everyone else. We are too busy working and we don't feel sorry about ourselves.

[Ash_F]

1. Sanders won Hawaii in a landslide. The least white state in the nation.

I am a POC too. Do we cancel each other out?

[DLCWIdem]

93. yes I saw that piece about Bernie winning diverse states

That is what you get when you send an English professor to do the job of a statistician.. first of all, where are your stats from the caucuses. What percentages went for Sanders.

Just because a state is diverse, and he won it ,does not mean his coalition is diverse. A Repug may win Georgia, which has alot of AA. Does that mean that the Repugs coalition has a AA coalition. Couldn' t the repug have mostly white people vote for him.

With the low turnout numbers of a caucus who is to say that the caucus sample is representative of the whole state.

[Ash_F]

108. Where is your evidence to the contrary?

[DLCWIdem]

118. You claimed he had diverse coalition ----you have to prove it

There are exit polls etc... to prove her diverse coalition. eom

[Ash_F]

119. A $15 minimum wage would disportionately help women and POC

The OP is the one who needs to prove their claims. They started this thread.

[Ned_Devine]

126. You're responding to someone who just signed up for DU 2 weeks ago

Don't get too invested in the argument

[Ash_F]

130. Oh I am not trying to convince them.

[Spacedog1973]

167. This is weak

It didn't matter if he signed up 5 minutes ago; his point is sound. And unanswered. If an assertion is made, it needs to be backed up or abandoned. A racist republican can win a state with a predominately AA populace. This does not in any way imply a diverse coalition obviously. The claim that is does however, needs to be backed up or abandoned.

[Ash_F]

182. You know there is no way the character in your avatar is a Clinton fan

[CajunBlazer]

121. There were no exit polls in Hawaii

No one but Hawaiian's care who voted in Hawaii. Who cares who voted in any caucus state. The are the only election contest's where enthusiasm counts more than actual votes. Why else would Sanders do well in them.

[LWolf]

164. Well, at least you've acknowledged that

your candidate doesn't create enthusiasm.

[AlbertCat]

186. Who cares who voted in any caucus state.

Uh... the citizens who voted?

This typical dismissal of "fellow" liberals and independents is a prominent feature of the Clinton's smug, uninspired, idea-less campaign and her supporters.

[CajunBlazer]

198. Caucuses are (to use Sander term) undemocratic

... and just plain dumb.

But Sanders used them to his advantage.

It is kind of like calling the super delegate undemocratic and then trying to flip them when it became clear that was the only way can win.

[AlbertCat]

199. How do you "use" a caucus?

So not liking super delegates means one shouldn't use them...even tho' they exist and are an essential part of the process?

Explain...

He already eschewed big donors and super pacs. Should he give up the actual voting process too?

[CajunBlazer]

203. Wrong term, Sanders "benifited" from the undemocratic caucuses

And Bernie would have been forced to accept PAC money had he made it to the general election or he would have been overwhelmed negative advertisements churned out by the PAC's funded by the Koch brothers and other conservative billionaire contributors because Bernie's small contributors could have never been able to pace.

[angrychair]

191. Hey, your the person that post anti Semetic websites against Sanders

So, based on the websites you used against Sanders, like tomatoebubble, I think we all know where you stand with POC

I know, I know, you "don't agree with it but people will say" argument is your retort. If your ok using neo-Nazi, anti- Semetic hate sites to attack a Democratic candidate than so be it I guess:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941346

[CajunBlazer]

202. Hey are you the one who is unable to come up with a original response

.... to a post of your own and instead likes to dredge up old posts?

And by the way, that was only one of the several sites I sighted on that post. There are many other legitimate media sites such a Politico and CNN which posted near identical articles about your candidate. When Politico and CNN are saying the very same things about Bernie Sanders' past exploits as a "neo-Nazi, anti-Semetic hate site", that doesn't look good for your candidate.

It is part of the historical record that Sanders used a trip to Russia as his honeymoon and that he traveled to Nicaragua for the 5th anniversary of the Soviet sponsored Sandinista revolution. In addition, while he was there he had a private audience with Danial Ortega, all at the height of the cold war. It is also clear that he traveled to Cuba a few months later and after the trip praised Castro's government in the interview. (You can Google the interview and listen to it yourself.) Of course, Sanders forgot to mention that while he was visiting both countries the Sandinistas and Castro were depriving their populations of their basic civil rights and torturing their opponents to death. It is also true, as cited by numerous sources, that Sanders displayed a Soviet flag in his mayor's office in Burlington, reportedly in honor of Burlington's sister city in the USSR, an arrangement between the two cities he solidified while on the trip to the USSR with his brand new wife. Had all of this been widely known at the time, many in this country erroneously would have viewed Bernie as a sympathizer at best.

While all of this happened long ago, the vast majority of American voter are unaware of these actives; Not many people cared at the time what the mayor of a very small city in Maine was doing. However even now these exploits by a future Presidential candidate would seem dubious at best to large segments of the population. There is no doubt in my mind that the Republican Swift Boat machine, if given the chance, would make them appear positively damning.

Hillary never mentioned these exploits because she didn't have to. If there is a silver lining for Sanders supporters in Bernie losing the nomination, it is that the vast majority of the US population will never become aware of Sanders' early adventures on the "dark side".

[angrychair]

206. If posting from tomatoebubble is "ok" with you

Who am I to argue.

That you are trading in right-wing memes and hate speech is in little doubt. Why?
You are posting websites as sources that are known neo-Nazi, anti-semetic, holocaust-denying hate-sites like tomatoebubble (that FYI, has very choice words about HRC as well).

More importantly, your entire rant is debunked falsehoods. First, it was not "Russia" when he took his trip in 1988, it was the USSR. It was the same year a sitting US president gave a speech from Red Square.
Lastly, while yes the trip was taken right after they were married, it was not a honeymoon as they were part of a 12-person delegation, traveling to a sister-city on city business. 10 seconds of research would validate that very important distinction:
https://www.rt.com/usa/320098-bernie-sanders-ussr-honeymoon/

"Had all this been widely known at the time"? You mean, besides the entire city of Burlington and the entire state of Vermont and the international press that reported on it?
He had a Soviet flag in his office? Sorry Senator McCarthy, is that against the law? (FYI, I could find zero MSM news stories about a USSR flag in his mayor's office but I would suspect it had to do with their sister-city, not because he was a commie-loving American hater)

While I am not going to get into some long drawn-out debate about Nicaragua and Ortega, the FSLN freed their country from a brutal dictator. The long and illegal involvement of the CIA and their propping up of a brutal dictator that led to the formation of the FSLN and let us not forget the CIA-backed Contras and the awesome Iran-Contra scandal. Your rant on them and Cuba sounds more like a Raygun-era neocon than a Democrat.
Actually, your whole rant could be right out of the neocon playbook. When you Google the things you bring up, people like George Will and a list that gets worse from there, pops up.

Continue as you will but don't be surprised when your called out for actions like posting sites like tomatoebubble and that it haunts you when you say things that hark back to those type of posts.

[Bluenorthwest]

213. You are playing defense for the OP, now banned for vulgar antisemtic posts.....

So your own history of links and tropes pushed seems very on topic to me.

[MaeScott]

165. Another Brockette doing a high kick, lolol

[kayakjohnny]

2. How about you take one look at the faces in his crowds.

That is if you don't mind your ignorance showing.

[Spacedog1973]

168. Eyeballing

the demographics of the voters in crowds is probably one of the most unintentionally hilarious and seriously presented suggestions I have yet to hear.

[kayakjohnny]

169. You haven't been paying much attention.

Sharpen up your game, then come back and post again.

[Spacedog1973]

170. Awesome post

Congratulations on your retirement.

[kayakjohnny]

171. Awwww..... We hardly got to know each other.

Maybe we just got off to a rough start.

I'm sure we'd be best buds under better circumstances.

[Spacedog1973]

179. You retired from the discussion

But I thought I got to know you quite well, nonetheless.

[m-lekktor]

3. Your last sentence sounds like something a right winger would say. nt

[Scuba]

7. Bingo. Gave himself away right there.

[wilt the stilt]

42. i marched on Washington in '69

my first vote was McGovern in '72 and I was 21. My first vote for a president that won was '92. I was on the way to Atlanta in '76. Anyone who disagrees with your purity test is a Rw'er. pathetic.

[SwampG8r]

63. Carter was nominee in 76 but you didnt vote for a.winner til 92?

So did you vote for ford or wallace in 76?

[wilt the stilt]

91. did you read my post

I was driving to Atlanta and moving there.

[Ken Burch]

113. No...but people who claim that Bernie supporters don't "work their asses off" is.

You can't possibly know us well enough to make that kind of a sweeping dis about us.

I'm a 55-year old grandfather who just retired from years of working 84-hour weeks as a crew member on a ferry boat. Lots of us work just as hard as you do.

[Logical]

136. Cool story bro. Nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

161. This means jack shit to be honest

I've met a lot of "old hippies" who've become RW cranks in the last 20 years. Fallen into the trap of class and race division and patting themselves on the back about how much harder they had it and how everyone else doesn't work enough.

[amborin]

138. until this primary, hadn't posted on DU for several yrs; in old days, this kind of OP got one

outed as a mole, at minimum

[wilt the stilt]

12. I am certainly no RW'er

but I do own my old business and I work a good 60 hours a week. I grew up way poorer than almost everyone here.

[bvf]

59. LOL!

When did you distribute your questionnaire?

[Silver_Witch]

66. I don't own my own business but I work at least 60 hours a week.

The boss likes it that way - they prefer paying overtime to paying benefits or giving another person a job.

I grew up beyond poor and my husband was so poor that their xmas gifts were few and then from a Goodwill.

So shall we pity you or are you one of those who believes people just have to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" and move one.

You do realize there are people who due to illness or disability can't "just get over it".

Oh wow so you are asian and you were poor - you my friend were not alone. Many of us here were poor and suffered horribly.

Clinton doesn't care about any of that......

She would like to "bring us all to heel" and than do what she wills.

EDITED TO ADD: and as a single mother I got food from the dumpster to feed myself and my child - didn't get welfare - didn't get free aid. Worked two jobs and hoped things would work out. So you were poor...so what - that does not win any argument you have made today.

[cheapdate]

95. Thank you.

[cui bono]

156. +1,000,000!!!

I can't believe the amount of right wing talking points on here these days. They sound just like Rush and Hannity.

.

[raging moderate]

185. Thank you. Dumpster divers unite!

I always thanked God for the new plastic bags that kept the discarded bread ends uncontaminated.

[Ken Burch]

115. Nothing that Bernie supports would hurt you or your business.

And there are millions of us across this country who work just as hard as you do.

Please don't do this. You're better than that.

And your candidate needs Bernie supporters in the fall if she does get nominated, so you don't help her by posting things like this.

[amborin]

139. your posts suggest otherwise

[SMC22307]

145. "I grew up way poorer than almost everyone here."

How in the fuck could you possibly know that?

[choie]

152. That's Right, you lifted yourself up by

your own bootstraps w/o any help from anybody including the government...

[politicaljunkie41910]

65. But it wasn't said by a RW'er. He said he's an Asian who has worked his ass off.

So answer his question or shut up. Why should he pay more taxes for Bernie's agenda, and to send your kids to college since many of us have scrimped and saved to send our own kids to college while foregoing new cars and houses we couldn't afford to save for our own children's education.

And just because Bernie says something, that doesn't make it true even if Starry eyed groupies are feeling the Bern. However, Bernie has said that everyone WILL pay more taxes. He just claims that we will pay less in health care benefits. Well I'm not willing to bank on that offset since The GOP Congress will have a say in that debatE. besides even Bernie has said that he won't get his agenda through in his first term and if he can't get his agenda enacted in his first term, I guarantee you there will be no SECOND term for Bernie should he even get a first term.

[Silver_Witch]

76. Please stop you are making it worse.

You sound like the talking heads on Fox. I am not paying for [fill in the blank]. I pay taxes and am happy to pay them. I believe if we all chip in WE ALL RISE!!!

After WWII the reason the economy grew was because so many veterans were educated FOR FREE!!! I was a single mother and contributed as much as I could to my child's education - but he has just finished paying off the loans and he is over 40. I never owed a car when he was wee because it was more important to have food then pay insurance on a silly car. I either walked or rode a bike.

So take you very sad stories and you indignant pride and think about others....

P.S. And just because Hillary says something there is no guarantee that the Republicans will EVER give her anything. You think they stonewalled President Obama - wait till you see what they do to Hillary. Believe it or not Hillary is no magical creature.

[wilt the stilt]

97. The reason why the economy grew

is the world was devestated by WW2and we were the only country who was not bombed

[Silver_Witch]

102. The reason the 50's was so improved was EDUCATION.

You do believe in Education yes?

P.S. I see you only answer select comments. That is interesting.

[wilt the stilt]

112. our manufacturing base was the only one in the world

that was the underlying reason we got ahead. Look it up and why we struggle today.

[Silver_Witch]

129. We struggle because President Clinton signed NAFTA.

Without a care about the workers or the poor.

He also signed the welfare act that deciminated the poor.

We suffer now because we have many under or uneducated people who can't find work and we have nothing to build.

Fixing the infrastructure would employ many - yet we won't (or can't) do it.

Rebuilding schools and providing 21st century education would change much.

But I see you are a true Hillary supporter in that we must stay the course and continue waiting...for what I am not sure.

EDITED TO ADD: Our conversation is over - I don't engage with anti-semites.

[m-lekktor]

84. ROFL! oh please, there are plenty of right wing asians who "work their asses off".

you think only white people can be right wing? jesus fucking christ! This dude you are sticking up for called Bernie a crusty old jew awhile back, QC posted a link to it in this thread. You can tell me to shut up until the fucking cows come home and that doesn't change the fact that the last comment in his OP is exactly something a right winger would say and. apparently. I am not the only one who thinks so.

[cui bono]

154. Why do you keep touting right wing talking points? Taxes... really?

If you bothered to look into it you'd see that the only people who are going to pay more taxes are the very rich and also that everyone is going to get many more benefits under Bernie's plan, like single-payer health care and free college.

Why are you against what the Dem Party has stood for forever. It only started favoring corporations when Mr. Clinton embraced the DLC and NAFTA.

When you and the OP spout right wing talking points about those scary taxes all you are doing is reinforcing the fact that the right wing of the Dem Party is too corporate and has a Republican mindset when it comes to policy. Just like Obama, the right wing of the Dem Party are really moderate Republicans. If you hate the Democratic Party platform so much you should consider switching parties. Bernie is the most representative of the real Dem Platform there is. The fact that you mock him so much is telling and sad.

P.s. Doesn't matter who says it, whether they are a Dem or GOP, it's still a right wing talking point. There's far too many right wing talking points and tactics on DU lately, but that's where the right wing of the Dem Party wants to go... sad that it's allowed since this is supposed to be a Dem board.

.

[insta8er]

4. All of these white people....

[bvf]

74. Obviously all tokens

cynically trotted out by the Sanders campaign.

Here is a heartwarming, honest photo for comparison:

[wilt the stilt]

90. like the tired old trump picture

this is totalty out of context

[bvf]

104. How silly of me! If you wanted *context*

why didn't you just say so?

Here you go. Enjoy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1059701

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. My goodness

I was surrounded by about 8,000 of my best friends and neighbors. A well behaved crowd. We even interviewed three Latina women and one African American woman. Did I miss the memo and they are Bernie bros?

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/05/22/sanders-rally-draws-thousands-in-national-city/

Must be recycling day

[insta8er]

11. This is not a campaign, this is a movement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I know

I cover social movements.

[dchill]

6. Farming the meme.

[seabeyond]

8. He is speaking to white, middle/uppermiddle class, men. He does not ever address a level playing

field. He has consistently pushed us to the side for more important issues. White middle/upper middle class men.

[insta8er]

15. Like that day he gave the mic to the Black Lives Matter ladies?

[seabeyond]

17. I stand by what I say. Its been a discussion for a year now. Sanders has never veered from his focus

[insta8er]

29. Thank you! facts are a nasty thing I know. Just stand by what you are saying.

[CajunBlazer]

123. He didn't give them the mike, they took it from them and he looked weak

[840high]

157. How did Hillary look turning her

back on a young lady from BLM? Then having her escorted out.

[raging moderate]

210. "They took it from him" :Do you really think he couldn't have stopped them?

If he'd really wanted to? He let them take over because he wanted them to be heard. He had done his talking a day before that, at a speech where he'd mentioned Sandra Bland by name, and condemned police brutality against Black people.

[wilt the stilt]

19. Who mostly never had a hard day

in their lives.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Hmmm given the number of kids from

The south of the eight yesterday I can confidently say you are clueless

[wilt the stilt]

45. only you know

his voting totals among POC is low.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Like Hawaii and WA

Ok.

Only you know not what you are talking about since you are recycling shitty talking points. By the way, by your logic most of my kids south of the 8 are white, since they are Latino...and we know the only PoC that count in your little world are AA.

You are way, way, transparent buddy.

By the way, you are not chingón...I am quoting one of the speakers yesterday. It's an actual Mexico City word, and he had me in stitches.

[840high]

158. You don't know me or

others like me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Hmm...he did yesterday

I even posted the full speech. Well, with the necessary change dead battery breaks

[Eric J in MN]

40. In Sanders' stump speech,

...he says, "I know that all the men in this audience will stand with the women in demanding pay equity for women."

He also talks about the historical success of women in getting the right to vote and more educational and job opportunities as an example that change happens when millions of people demand it.

[Ash_F]

44. A $15 minimum wage would disportionately help women and POC

[amborin]

140. this is totally false; what makes you state such a falsehood?

[Mponti]

9. You answered your own question.

No further explanation needed.
Keep busting your ass, stay busy working and enjoy the rewards

[writes3000]

10. That's a horrible generalization. Ugh.

[NanceGreggs]

13. Bernie's bright idea ...

... of reaching out to AAs was to align himself with Cornell West - a man despised by the vast majority of black Americans, a man who referred to Obama as "the first niggerized president".

And yet we're all supposed to wonder why Bernie failed to garner the AA vote.

Go figure, huh?

[msanthrope]

30. Well, lots of white DUERS thought that was a brilliant Southern Strategy.

After all, Dr. West was supposed to explain to the Stockholm Syndrome sufferers how a white male Senator from Vermont was a revolutionary.

[NanceGreggs]

57. Well, it looks like things didn't work out as planned.

Along with Dr. West, I wonder where Killer Mike went - ya know, the guy who, according to many here, was going to "turn things around" for Bernie in the AA community.

I guess Bernie and Jane are just eating their usual "soul food" diet out of camera range these days.

[DURHAM D]

72. Hey Nance - have you seen this?

https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/bernie-and-his-millenials/

enjoy

[NanceGreggs]

79. And I DID enjoy!

Great read - thanks for the link!

[wilt the stilt]

116. that is exactly my point

victimhood.

[amborin]

141. Hillary was friends with & fundraised with Sheriff Lee of NOLA, who refused to let Blacks leave

their flooded area and spoke disparagingly of them

[Cha]

149. Yeah, that went over just like we predicted it would when he did it.. Thankfully

Laura ??@princessomuch
#BernieLostMe when he & his campaign surrogates repeatedly said Southern black voters don't matter & then claimed to be a civil rights hero
12:23 PM - 18 May 2016
116 116 Retweets 153 153 likes

Only4RM ??@Only4RM
I knew @BernieSanders wasn't for me when he embraced the now-vulgarized SHELL of @CornelWest as surrogate. @Lawrence pic.twitter.com/Hx6WXWtIjW

Only4RM ??@Only4RM
#BernieLostMe when he decided that Obama-bashing in the vilest terms was the #1 criterion to be a VIP Black surrogate for his campaign.
11:49 AM - 18 May 2016
84 84 Retweets 103 103 likes

Savannah L. Barker ??@savannah_lb
#BernieLostMe when his campaign and his supporters decided to label life-long civil rights leaders as "sellouts" https://twitter.com/peruoblemchild/status/733060412254478336 …
12:28 PM - 18 May 2016
35 35 Retweets 24 24 likes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107139577#top

[cantbeserious]

14. Reliably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme 21

eom

[Thinkingabout]

16. Good post, yes there are more who work hard and play by the rules than sit around

Waiting on others to provide.

[AgingAmerican]

18. Your last paragraph sounds like Rush Limbaugh

Oh, and your transparency page shows the highest percentage of hides I have ever seen.

[wilt the stilt]

26. I'm proud what I have acccomplished

Is there something wrong about that. I grew up in a laundry and shared a twin bed with my brother until I was 9 and he was 10. We had to go to Harlem to get a mortgage and we had 45% down payment.

[QC]

35. A trip down Memory Lane....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1059701

[neverforget]

49. thank God for amnesty right? 9 hides but we get to see this.

I miss the old days when 5 hides equaled a timeout.

[m-lekktor]

50. oh yeah, the Bernie is a crusty old jew thing.

I

[Bluenorthwest]

96. The fact that this poster is here to carry on like this after that antisemitic filth is

disgusting.

[m-lekktor]

107. I remember that one homophobe that remained here forever before she (i think it was a she)

was finally booted off. I remember you going after her many times when she posted but I forget the screenname. I remember she said something really horribly anti gay, something about gay marriage I think. but yeah, in regards to this poster, I agree, and people on "the same side" rally around him and "like" his threads.

[Bluenorthwest]

128. That was kelliekat44, also an antisemitic Bernie Bashing Hillary shouter.

Got banned after posting really horrible links after the Paris shootings. Blaming the Joooos. All the same people who dig this OP dug her, that whole crowd. I got hides from them for citing her bigotry to her. 'How dare you point out that this poster hates all gays and Jews, bad Bluenorthwest'. Same crowd as always. Everyone knows them.

[m-lekktor]

133. "everybody knows them"

exactly.

[cui bono]

151. +1

[cui bono]

159. Wow. Can't believe this one isn't permanently banned.

Well, IOKIFYSHRC. That's how Skinner wants it here.

.

[catnhatnh]

122. Not just 9 hides

but only one of them was 3-4, all the rest were 5, 6, and even one 7 votes to hide... Not someone who plays well with others.

[basselope]

22. The majority of people volunteering for his campaign that I have met are non-white.

They are also mostly over the age of 40 to.

Its about a 50/50 split between men and women.

As for the rallies, let's just call it like it is.. those of us over 40 don't necessarily feel like standing in line for hours to see a speech we can watch on the internet, so those tend to be dominated by the younger crowd.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Even those they accommodate ADA

[wilt the stilt]

31. rallys aren't votes

same with volunteers.

[basselope]

43. Yeah, they are VOTERS.

[JaneyVee]

23. Because this:

http://nypost.com/2000/03/06/hillary-rips-rudy-on-nypd-in-wake-of-diallo-slaying/

[JudyM]

27. "whining" and "blaming"... You are saying more about yourself than you know.

[HooptieWagon]

54. Yep. Closeted conservative.

[JudyM]

61. If not worse... Character matters...

[pmorlan1]

64. Oh Yeah, big time

What's really sad is to see some longtime DU people chiming in to help him push it. It's impossible for me to un-see that.

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[JudyM]

69. Right! Can't unsee these folks' statements in a lot of posts...

[saltpoint]

32. What a dumb post. eom

[AtomicKitten]

37. +1

Nice to see you.

[saltpoint]

41. You too. These are rough-hewn times we're

living in.

[grossproffit]

36. I was raised the same way. Hard work & taking pride in what you do was ingrained in us.

Even when I post here, I'm still working. I'm blessed to be in good health (knocks on wood) and am able to work hard. I wouldn't know any other way to live.

[HERVEPA]

38. Right wing shit. Wrong site for that.

[wilt the stilt]

48. I'm glad you are pure

and have no idea what being poor is like. one type of thinking is only allowed here defined by the purists.

[saltpoint]

55. Your slam on Sanders is a cheap shot. He

argues more forcefully than anyone in many years of U.S. American politics for economic democracy and the dignity of hard work relative to fair pay.

If you've missed that point, you've missed just about everything.

[KingFlorez]

39. There are no free rides and minorities understand that

Sanders also has no real modern connection with minorities and has only reached out now in an attempt to win votes.

[Eric J in MN]

46. Which current US Senators

...have a "real modern connection with minorities"?

[KingFlorez]

52. Pretty much any Democratic Senator from a diverse state

[HooptieWagon]

51. You sound like a lost republican.

It's conservatives who complain about 'undeserving' people on welfare.

[wilt the stilt]

62. any deviation from your purist's thaought

are not o be allowed and must be told you are a conservative

[Recursion]

53. Well, this thread will go well

I do think the narrative of stagnant wages is the key reason he's had trouble connecting past white voters, though. Stagnant wages aren't a narrative that's applicable to minorities. Even though African Americans and Hispanics still make less than whites, their incomes have been rising while whites' (males' at least) have been stagnant. The weird bit of psychology is that that situation makes white people feel angry and cheated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Hmm my local PoC sure would love to correct you on that

Never mind...they are just Latino

[Recursion]

71. Anecdote is not the singular of "data"

Hispanic incomes and black incomes are higher than they were in 1991. White incomes aren't. For that matter they aren't higher than they were in 1971.

White male wage stagnation is a problem, a real one. But it's not the problem facing minorities as a community. And white people are going to have to come to terms with being just another interest group at some point...

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. And that middle class is also going away faster

Data. And poverty went up the fastest since oh 2008. Ah data.

[kwassa]

109. I will quote you on that.

Great line.

[Silver_Witch]

56. This post sounds very much like conservatives to me.

We are too busy working and "hate people who whine". "All they want is a hand-out"

The world is not fair to everyone and it is the Democratic party that strive to even-out the unfairness.

There are woman and POC that support Bernie - you are clearly not one of them...they do exist.

[wilt the stilt]

67. I'm glad you define

what is the approved thinking of who is liberal.

[Silver_Witch]

80. No problem - happy to help you out anytime my friend.

It is not just me who thinks liberals are caring and want to RISE ALL BOATS....

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Hope this is helpful.

[Thinkingabout]

77. We are working middle class, where do you get conserative?

[Silver_Witch]

94. This quote...

"We busted our asses to make it and we hate people who whine and blame everyone else. We are too busy working and we don't feel sorry about ourselves."

Sounds a lot like Fox News "all they want is free stuff" or not an exact quote - why should I pay for others who are too lazy to work for their own stuff.

And below it gets worse.

Being Working Middle Class does not exempt one from being conservative. Look at all the Working Middle Class that support Trump.

[Thinkingabout]

124. Maybe to you but not everyone waits for others to provide their needs,

Is it your belief you have to wait on your needs to be met in order not to be conserative?

[Silver_Witch]

127. Of course not Thinkingabout...

I am 60 years old - if I waited I would still be waiting.

I do for myself - there are many among us who can't do for themselves - shall we not aid them.

If we provide FREE education will we all not gain from it?

If a woman cries and we turn our backs on her are we all not evil?

It is my belief that Democrats are this!

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt

"...Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths and encourage the arts and commerce.

Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah--to "undo the heavy burdens . . . (and) let the oppressed go free..."
- John F. Kennedy

And finally...my favorite...

Jimmy Carter said, "If you don't want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying that you want a country based on Christian values. Because you don't!"

[Thinkingabout]

142. Let me assure you, I am not a conserative, I am a liberal progressive Democrat who just happens to

think if you are capable of working to provide for ones self then this is the better way to be. I am charitable but expect cooperation.

[Silver_Witch]

144. I do not need your assurances. Your posts speak volumes about who you are.

When one is charitable with expectations - it is not charity.

So many progressives so full of anger and judgment saddens me.

[Thinkingabout]

155. Then you have your thoughts i will have mine, you say I am angry

I am not, if everyone had the idea to let others take care of the providing then no one would be working and no one would have any help. I will stick to my thoughts, work is good for the soul. I am a very happy person.

[Silver_Witch]

99. P.S. I was not speaking to you directly

I don't know if you are a conservative or embrace conservative ideals.

Since you are defending Wilt the Stilt I think you must think he is right.

[Kokonoe]

58. POC love Bernie!

Just stop the Clinton Fabrication.
The unheard of Bernie Sanders was in a news blackout during the southern primary,
and Hillary had all the news time as the only democrat. It was crooked.

[Loudestlib]

60. Did you just ask and answer your own question?

[vdogg]

70. Nope....Haven't seen this thread before...

[saltpoint]

78. Could you possibly offer a coherent

narrative context for those of us who are not on hallucinogenic compounds this evening?

[wilt the stilt]

85. like its cool man

n/t

[saltpoint]

87. Might it be cool as well for a liberal website

such as this one to permit ethnic bigotry, such as are manifest in phrases like "crusty old Jew"?

Just asking.

[truebrit71]

183. How about now?

[bvf]

194. Life is good.

[Goblinmonger]

195. So you think antisemitism is "the truth"?

Interesting.

I wish I could rec your post for all to see.

[bjo59]

81. Hate all those people who feel sorry for themselves... that used to be a typical Republican talking

point.

[retrowire]

83. There are POC who back Bernie so this OP is now null and void

And hey, aren't you the cat that called Bernie an old crusty jew?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512031880

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Get out of here you anti-semite.

[saltpoint]

88. One and the same poster, retrowire, making

your claim correct, IMO.

[uponit7771]

101. You understand that its not EVERY PoC but whatever, this'll be over soon

[imari362]

117. You understand that it's not EVERY POC that...

would ever vote for Hillary with her and her campaign underhanded implied racism.
SOME of us will not just overlook or give excuses to or for it.

[runaway hero]

192. I think the pair of you show exactly the issues we have in progressive politics today.

[Gothmog]

86. There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters

There are good reasons why the demographics are not working for Sanders and why many voters including some African American voters are not supporting Sanders. Demographics are important in that this explains one of the big divides between Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters. There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

I understand why Sanders supporters dislike talking about demographics but the fact remain that Sanders supporters tend to not like President Obama and that dislike affects the amount of support that Sanders is getting from certain demographic groups.

[raging moderate]

89. I busted my ass to make it, and I made it, and I don't like whiners.

We just have a different definition of the word "whiner."

I don't see how you can call me a whiner when I am not complaining for myself. I am content with what I have managed to achieve in life. I am concerned about the desperate predicament in which I see other people getting stuck. I am concerned about children who don't get enough to eat. I am concerned about children who are put to bed in a relative's house, awakened in the middle of the night, and put to bed again in the house that is technically theirs, then awakened again at 6 so they can catch a school bus for an hour's bumpy ride before the school day. I am concerned about children who are homeless. I am concerned about Black people who get shot, or their heads slammed against the pavement, or put in jail for life, for no real reason. I am concerned about young people who are forced to ruin their chances to get a mortgage on a decent home in which to raise children, until they are really too old to begin parenting, because of draconian student loan policies. I am concerned about people with carefully, arduously won technical skills, who are studiously ignored so the overlords can import desperately poor people (who probably would rather stay at home if they could get enough food there) whom the overlords sense they can mistreat as much as they please. I am concerned about people of various backgrounds who are deliberately given what their overlords believe to be just enough to keep body and soul together for them, but which is really not enough to do even that because their overlords are too sheltered and cossetted to understand what the real costs of living are in our country, or our world.

[Kokonoe]

143. When "I'm with Hillary" Humanity takes the back seat.

[Silver_Witch]

146. Thank you! +100

[raging moderate]

212. oh, and I love President Obama.

I voted for him every chance I got.

[azurnoir]

98. seems Asians in Hawaii had plenty of interest in Bernie-so much that he won quite resoundingly

69.8% Sanders to 30% Clinton

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/hawaii

[saltpoint]

103. Yep. Looks like Bernie won Hawaii by a pretty

convincing percentage.

Kinda puts the strain on the OP's initial argument.

[uponit7771]

100. +++++++++++++Weaver and Divine admitted not competing in the "southern states" +++++++++

[Bluenorthwest]

105. Bernie won Hawaii with 69.8% of the vote, Hawaii is 37.7% Asian.

So I think that your transparency page speaks for itself, just as the people of Hawaii spoke for themselves.

[Jitter65]

106. Because they know better. They remember the Clinton years despite what the media tries to say.

More blacks moved out of poverty than at any other time and many are still reaping the benefits of good paying jobs with good benefits that afforded them a good retirement. Many people loss their homes during the Bush administration and their jobs too, This didn't happen to them until the Bush years that carried over into the Obama years. You can shout about "bubbles" vulture capitalists and corruption and all the rest. What blacks remember is that under the Clinton administration and improved FEMA helped them put their lives together after catastrophic natural disasters, black farmers were compensated for being left out of the farm subsidies tho white farmers, they could get a good job and job mobility was not a problem, they could send their children to college and get good help from he government. They remember Bill Clinton's cabinet that looked like America and they remember how corporate boards began to open seats to blacks and Latinos. They remember that the Clintons were comfortable in their presence and showed respect and compassion. They remember that the crime bill was a direct response to many of their calls for helping to rid their neighborhoods of crime and black on black deaths from gang and gun violence. Despite the heartbreaking aftermath of the bill, it wasn't intended for the disparate outcomes that resulted. They also remember that neither Clinton was mean-spirited despite the attacks coming to them from the media and the RW haters.

What they remember is that their real hardships began in the early 2000's and after 9/11 their economic and social lives spiraled downward as Affirmative Action and enforcement of non-discrimination in the workplace and in hiring was all but erased from the laws. That's why.

[uponit7771]

110. +1

[Hekate]

163. +2

[cheapdate]

111. Guess what? Millions of people in this country work hard

and struggle and sacrifice and risk and never find a payoff. Millions more aren't physically, emotionally, or intellectually able to "make it" in this needlessly unforgiving society we've created.

I suppose you're happy with the way things are. I suppose the only problem you see is that some people would rather "whine" than work. They're just lazy and immoral, in other words.

I'm not satisfied.

[Tarc]

114. PoC see his campaign's weak overtures as pandering, is why

Yes, Bernie Sanders, the System Is Rigged—What Else Is New?

Despite a strong message about economic inequality, Sanders has never managed to be competitive with African-American Democrats in primary states. Many have argued ad nauseam about why the Sanders campaign has struggled with black voters, and the arguments generally fall into two equally simplistic and nominally insulting categories: 1) Black folks are foolishly loyal to the Clintons in some form of electoral Stockholm syndrome; or 2) Black folks don’t ultimately know what’s best for them and don’t know Sanders well enough to realize that he’s the best choice.

I’ve avoided stepping into this fray because not only are both arguments faulty, but neither one in any way reflects the black Democrats and independents I know. The real reason Sanders has failed to connect with many mainline African-American Democrats is what happened at the Nevada convention May 14. Sanders and his surrogates represent a discomfiting liberal white privilege that has always made African-American voters feel ill at ease, even when ultimate goals are in sync.

[Tarc]

132. I alerted on that nonsense earlier, you're lucky it skated by on a 3-4

[Silver_Witch]

148. Why would you alert on truth

It only reflects the true feelings of Hillary supporters. What you don't want people to see the ugly side of those who support Hillary - and yet you are more than willing to support posts that denigrate Bernie.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - don't you think?

[Tarc]

166. A handful of screenshots of dubious autenticity

is all you have.

[Silver_Witch]

181. The blind eye does not change facts!

In this very thread are statements by Clinton supports that could have comefrom right wing conservatives. I worry about who we have invited into our very big tent!

[Baobab]

131. They are being lied to a lot

and its because Hillary's real agenda will likely hurt them the most.

It already has.

Read below VVVVV

[brooklynite]

134. IOW they're not as smart as YOU are...

[Goblinmonger]

135. So glad you got your PPR lifted

so that we could be treated to these pull yourself up by your bootstraps right wing taking points.

[amborin]

137. total falsehoods and a very racially divisive statement; plus same as Romney's 48%

[cui bono]

150. Can someone explain to me why people post right wing talking points on a Dem board?

I'll tell you why I think that is. Because the right wing of the Dem Party is corporate and because Brock has hired a lot of people to troll the internets and smear Bernie.

.

[silvershadow]

153. I see you worked virtually every meme into two short sentences. nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

160. I love how you ask a question.....

.....but are so fucking impatient to drop your RW talking point that you put it in the OP's last paragraph. I mean, most of these threads wait until about 40 posts in to come back and give the kick to the balls.

In a way I admire that, but your take sucks.

[oldandhappy]

162. MSM memes

Please listen to just one of his talks all the way thru. Most are live streamed. There are dozens of videos on line. You are not stupid. However, I suspect you are getting your Bernie news from MSM and not from Bernie.

[Ichingcarpenter]

172. POSTING PRIVILEGES REVOKED on May 23, 2016.

Well isn't that special

[NCTraveler]

173. POC overwhelmingly support Sanders and Clinton.

A majority are informed voters and are supporting the proper two candidates, in my opinion. Sanders base thoughts on economic equality are important to all POC. Overwhelmingly, they know Sanders doesn't have the clout to deliver. That doesn't mean that aspect of his message is any less important or not worthy of their support.

It's the minorities supporting Trump that I don't get.

[m-lekktor]

174. wilt the stilt has been PPR'd

by Skinner for being an antisemite.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197337&sub=trans

[NCTraveler]

177. Thanks for the heads up.

WTF is wrong with people?

[m-lekktor]

178. I know, right?

hey i read your post so it didn't go to waste!

[NCTraveler]

180. Maybe they will read it as well.

There are many reasons for POC to support Sanders. What you pointed out makes sense considering the direction of the op. Seems it's nothing more than an attempt to muddy the waters while using POC. A really shady tactic we have seen too often this primary season.

[Bonobo]

175. Cool, the anti-semite posted an OP! Why not call Sanders a "cranky old Jew" again? nt

[NorthCarolina]

184. LOL

Seems like you got it all figured out sport.

[runaway hero]

187. well.

that escalated quickly.

[Orsino]

188. Progressive voters tend to like Sanders' agenda. n/t

Clinton's there for more conservative voters, and for those who otherwise wanted to play it safe.

[runaway hero]

193. This is what happens

When two sides of the so called base can't put their differences aside in order to win an election. For the past year all we have seen from Left, right, conservative, liberal is infighting, name calling and promises of destruction. If we can't put our differences aside and stop the personal attacks, Trump will win, and both Hillary and Bernie supporters will get what they deserve.

We're supposed to be on the same side here. Let's remember that.

[bvf]

196. I don't put aside my differences

with anti-Semites.

YMMV.

[Aerows]

197. There are so many ways I could respond to this post

but I don't even know where to start.

I'll settle for moseying on off to a different thread because there is just too much here and not nearly enough time to express the joy in my life that I'm not you.

[TransitJohn]

200. Is it hard to come down off of that cross and have to interact with us proles?

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Blue_Tires]

201. Christ not this again...

[pintobean]

204. wilt has been PPRed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197337&sub=trans

[anotherproletariat]

205. Interesting observation. It's mostly white kids who like Bernie among my friends as well.

Way back in the fall, I remember a few of them saying things like "he reminds me of my grandpa" or "my great uncle". There is certainly some identification with his base. I know that being Hispanic, the only person Sanders ever reminded me of was the mean old man next door in all the sitcoms.

[bvf]

207. Interesting observation.

Do you take all your cultural cues from TV sitcoms?

That's great. Say "hi" to Mr. Furley for me.

[m-lekktor]

208. amongst my friends it's older white gay guys that like Hillary

Most of my female and minority friends like Bernie. all this is anecdotal and means nothing just not the same as the narrative you here on who supports who.

[vaberella]

209. I'm a Black Latino woman...your statement sounds like my mum. Who is a Republican.

As a note I'm a Black Latino (Haitian) woman who's 35 and is an independent (leaning Democrat). My mother was raised in Haiti and I was born there. She believes what you believe. I don't believe that...there's more to who we are and what we and what we've experienced.

[VulgarPoet]

211. #BernieMadeMeWhite YET AGAIN.

this is like the eighth time...