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Related: About this forumWhy are Sanders supporters suing California on the eve of their primary ...
... to try to force them to do the job that the Sanders campaign should have done??
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Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)They are also helping the Hillary voters that were given the wrong forms/information too....
msongs
(67,395 posts)
LisaM
(27,801 posts)Lawsuit after lawsuit.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)hand out provisional ballots instead of regular crossover ballots to voters with no party preference.
Do you actually enjoy disenfranchising legitimate voters? Does that serve the Democratic Party?
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Its because those guys mistakenly chose the AIP party instead of registerring for the no party preference. They were thinking that they were of the independent party and instead found that they were of the American Independent party.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Get new material. I'm bored with that.
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Demsrule86
(68,548 posts)why the process is rigged...we can't get registered in like a year...extend the deadline...hope Cali...tells them to get lost.
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)The New York provisional ballot lawsuit was really a piece of dreck
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)^^^^
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2035187
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Accusing poster directly above them via graphic of being a paid or other form of shill, this is getting ridiculous when people who have nearly 30k posts. Uncalled for personal attack, disruptive, rude, and OTT just because the person can't refute the poster's point.
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JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)That they altered a mild thing in a thread calling a group people about same type of insult. I wonder if they altered the OP too.
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)on this post...? Please.
cali
(114,904 posts)I have been a target since 2002...
ha ha...
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)to the person who called me a fucking trump troll.
I really wish people would put a short one sentence as why they decided to hide or leave it.
There was a time here that I couldn't post anything without it being alerted, but most of those folks are long gone or dead.
Thanks for posting this.
If you read this far I know you want to alert this also! You know you do.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)
Arkansas Granny
(31,514 posts)looking into details like this ahead of time to organize efforts to make sure voters were registered correctly.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Registered == vote.
Unregistered == no vote.
Simple.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Registered = vote
Unregistered = vote
No gray areas.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)We have political parties for a reason, to promote candidates that share the same basic ideals. Either join or go create your own, it's not rocket science.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Would not Democrats be allowed to indulge in "ratfuckery" if the occasion arises to do so?
Is your opinion a kind of "Love it or Leave it" brand of democracy?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)for decades, as opposed to flavor-of-the-month candidates.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Well, that's an interesting take on democracy.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)How do you get off calling people 'apparatchiks' for simply being members of the Democratic party? It's not like the burden of membership is so heavy. You meanwhile, want to participate in party activities while at the same time touting your non-membership as some social badge of honor.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)the Registrar's office with my questions in Orange County. But Bernie has to have the whole state change to accommodate him like no other candidate before. It's really bizarre how entitled it is.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)You can go online and register in minutes.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)the size of California to change their election rules -- just to accommodate her voters?????! WHO thinks of these things?? lol 
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)How undemocratic and dictatorial of Bernie and his violent mobster gangs!
Fewer is better!
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Only Bernie.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Suuuure.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)It's about changing the rules in the middle of the game! If he hated these rules so bad why is it he is only speaking out now after 30 years?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)The "new" rules say that if Bernie pulls this shit its OK, if Hillary even thinks about it, then it's just more proof that she is a terrible choice. I honestly think Bernie is letting Weaver and Devine destroy his reputation for the rest of his life. I really liked Bernie when this all started, he was my second choice after O'Malley, but now it make me sick to see how low he has gone, and these dumb ass meaningless lawsuits just makes things worse.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)who committed the offense is just a campaign tactic at this point. I've lost all respect I had for him, as well. 
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Here's a link for ya.
Damn it. I really hate having to do research for other people but that's just the kind of person I am. Always helpful.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-bernie-sanders-supporters-lawsuit-california-voter-confusion-20160522-snap-story.html
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)supporters. As usual, the Berners try to pretend the rest of the world does not notice them trying to make special rules for themselves.
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riversedge
(70,186 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Last edited Mon May 23, 2016, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)
about other candidates. You only think it will favor Bernie so you ask the entire state to change rules to net some more votes for him. I've never seen anything like the level of self-importance and just plain entitlement out of supporters of only one candidate. I can only imagine the epic freakout if those voters were thought to benefit Hillary.
But I love how you all hide behind the phony morals and rah-rah patriot mantras that rules should be tweaked to accommodate Bernie, and Bernie only. Potential Bernie voters should be coddled by all means necessary! Roll out the red carpet for Bernie! America!
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)I myself mentioned this in about 5 threads months ago. I also noticed that there was an entire thread dedicated to the subject raising awareness, during tnat same time. The GDP thread was covered over with anti Hillary pieces so if it wasn't kicked to the top, whos to blame for not being organized.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... because the Bernie Bros are too incompetent and/or lazy to seek out information on their own?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Their rallying cry, lawsuits that is, every time they need more money. Seems like their base needs that kind of red meat to keep them pumping in the money. Weaver and Devine need a few million more before the golden goose is cooked.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)riversedge
(70,186 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It's been par for the course. They even raised issues in Oregon just to be ready in case she won.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)This whole "election fraud" crap smells like something Karl Rove would do. Maybe some of the Bernie bros are on his payroll.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)I think alot of DUers are very isolated and lack exposure to other viewpoints and the people that hold them. The old "I don't know anyone that voted for Bush so how did he win?" chestnut.
When you never get out of your bubble to realize that there is this whole other group of people on the other side of the political spectrum that believes in their side of the issues just as strongly and will support the other candidate just as strongly, you're genuinely shocked when your preferred candidate loses. And thus the default, go-to excuse ends up being that "it must have been stolen."
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)For example, the erroneous removal of alleged felons from the Florida voter rolls, 50,000 total with most not being felons, would have probably made the difference regardless of the influence Nader had on how close it was.
Another example, had Gore's team been intelligent enough to push for a complete recount rather than specific counties, the 14th amendment argument used in Bush v. Gore would have no longer applied and he would have won by some 2000 votes. Again, had the voter purge by Harris and Bush not occurred, even this would not have mattered.
The key here, though, is that everything done was legal in that election at that time. The GOP have become experts at pushing the voting laws all the way to the line of legality without going over that line, something the bigots learned from the Jim Crow era, another example of legal disenfranchisement.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)...the default response of Democrats to election defeat, even in primary season when the opponent is other Democrats.
Maybe I'm completely naive and this has always been an issue, but I don't really remember this being the default response to election defeat until ~2000.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There has always been a contingency on either extreme who have always screamed election fraud whenever their candidate loses, but the real issues in the 2000 election have made the crazy much more evident in every election since, and at all levels.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)on informing the supporters the deadlines and the rules. If this is what the revolution is about, then leave me out of this plan.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I have. And as media I have answered and clarified the confusion many times this year
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... that essentially explained who could vote in the Republican Primary and who could vote in the Democratic primary, and the deadline (today) for registering or changing your party affiliation.
They also received sample ballots and a voter information guide that explained this about 2 weeks ago.
If you are half way engaged, none of this should be a surprise.
I personally am OK with registering up until the day of the election, but that really should be done by the legislature, not by an 11th hour lawsuit that essentially changes the rules.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Putting out pressers. Still, the process is confusing and we have some interesting reports that in Orange County poll workers have been told to issue provisional ballots to Decline to State voters. Though in San Diego that has not occurred. Yes I asked.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"Let's make it harder to vote and to understand the process. Let's oppose things that increase voter awareness and access."
For a second there I thought I stumbled onto a GOP site.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Things aren't going well for me, so let's use the court to change the rules in the middle of the game!
It's entirely Bernie's fault if he didn't get the message out that his voters need to actually register. That's a big part of running a campaign. You know, the sort of thing someone running for the Presidency should have figured out before they ran.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Just remember in the general, if some Republican rules cut back on voting times or otherwise make it more difficult for Democrats to vote -- by attacking this in those terms you are sacrificing the right to legitimately whine about disenfranchising Democratic voters in November.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)When these fools cry
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Mon May 23, 2016, 02:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I' am going to laugh in November
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This is just rude and inappropriate to say you are going to laugh at anyone who may feel a loss at their candidate losing, Hillary or Bernie. We have been warned to be more civil, and this is not acceptable to say you'll laugh at someone's expense, especially at a Democrat losing in November.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)You gonna do what then?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,324 posts)It was Democrats that designed and approved the butterfly ballot.
That confusion, on top of all the other shenanigans, probably cost Florida.
Derp, derp, if you are too stupid to fill out a ballot you don't deserve to vote!!!
Derp, derp, if you can't bother to unch through a ballot you don't deserve to vote!!!
The same goes for the Al Franken Senate race and recount against Norm Coleman. I followed that race and recount including all the Minneapolis Star Tribune articles and comments. The comments here sound like the freeper comments section...
Derp derp, too stupid to vote!!!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)out provisional ballots instead of regular crossover ballot to people without party affiliation.
How's that?
procon
(15,805 posts)His campaign is broke. He's down to $5.8 million according to his last FEC filling, that's a few TV ads in California very expensive media market. Filing a meaningless lawsuit is cheap by comparison, less than a $100, but it still gets him some free press.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... an exercise in grandstanding.
I'm really disappointed in him.
The man has not lived up to his lofty rhetoric.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He thought he was running a political campaign, where you want to draw attention to yourself, and try to convince voters to choose you as the candidate.
No other candidate "grandstands" like that......erm wait a minute. They ALL do, because that's politics.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)Last edited Mon May 23, 2016, 03:31 PM - Edit history (1)
a provision in the state election law that lets each recognized political party (there are 6 of them in California) decide whether to allow No Party Preference voters and how clearly the county election officials make that information known to NP voters. To vote in the Democratic, Libertarian, or American Independent primaries a Non-Partisan voter (what the media likes to call "Independents", although that term is misleading as we have a valid American Independent Party) has to request one of those ballots when they vote. Now, my county was pro-active and sent all NP voters a card back in March telling them to return it by a certain time if they wanted a Dem, Lib or A-I ballot, otherwise they'd get the default Non-Partisan one; apparently not all 58 counties did this. This information is also supposed to be on the sample ballot that all registered voters are supposed to get, and as I read the press release about the lawsuit, the basic problem the plaintiffs have is that in some counties the information may be incomplete or hard to understand. All of this so far pertains to mail voters, who are a significant fraction of the electorate. The lawsuit is asking for a do-over for people who sent back what they now say is the wrong ballot, although how they distinguish the "wrong" ones from the ones sent by people who followed the instructions in the first place they don't say.
For in-person polling, voters who are not registered with a party can request a partisan ballot at their polling place. But they have to ask for it, or they get the non-partisan one (there are lot more things to vote for than president here). There have been complaints that poll workers were being given incorrect information about this: I have not followed up to see whether this has been addressed, but it can be fixed without changing any deadlines.
TL;DR: The California Democratic party is allowing No Party Preference voters to vote in their presidential primary, but it requires a little work and reading the instructions. The lawsuit says this is hard and confusing even though it's the process that was used in 2008 and 2012, and the information can be found at the Secretary of State's website.
ETA: If voters register as Democrats the above doesn't apply: they will get the Democratic primary ballot by default. They still have to register by COB today, though.
still_one
(92,136 posts)If they were sent the wrong ballot in the mail because they registered as NPP, (no party preference), and never requested which party ballot they wanted, all they need to do is on election day take the ballot in and exchange the ballot for the one with the party they want to vote with.
However, two days ago listening to some of the nonsense over at DU, they are saying things like they already mailed the ballot in. Which implies that they received a ballot to vote by mail, filled it out, and mailed it back in, not realizing it wasn't the ballot they wanted. In that case whose fault is that? Don't you read the ballot you are voting on?
On the other hand if they didn't register, or registered for the wrong party, then they could have registered or re-register online. They have until today to do that.
The lawsuit is saying people are confused, and need special training, so the registration deadline should be extended, which is bullshit. People have had over a year to register to vote in this election, and now at the eleventh hour they want to extend registration because they don't understand how to register to vote. garbage
but guess what, if they had registered as a Democrat in the first place, instead I'm f their hatred for the Democratic Party, they would have never had to worry what NPP means. Instead if you register as NPP, you better read the voter pamphlets, and understand what it means . It has only been in place for over 10 years, and they have had over a year to register for this election, and yet they blame others for their inadequacies
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)California can't guess which ballot voters registered with no party preference want. Those voters have to request the party's ballot they wish to use. Simple. That's why you register with no party preference. That way, you get to choose which primary race to finally vote in.
I'm not getting the problem. If you want to vote by mail, you have to request the party ballot. If you vote at a polling place, you simply ask for the one you want to vote on, if you haven't stated a party preference. Three parties allow such voters to vote in their primaries.
What's hard about that?
The lawsuit is bogus on its face and will be dismissed.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)You can do it online on your phone, while lying in bed. I don't know how it could be any easier unless you want the state registrar to just read your mind.
Retrograde
(10,133 posts)He gave it a good try - when I got my driver's license renewal earlier this year it can with a voter registration form, along with a postage paid envelope addressed directly to the CA Secretary of State (but he's a Hillary shill, according to what I read on DU). And, since I had to go in to the DMV this time, the nice person* administering the eye test wanted to know if she could register me then and there. Then there are the stacks of registration forms at the local library and post office, and the people at the farmers' market the last two weeks looking for Sanders supporters to register. And the on-line form.
*yes, nice people at the DMV. The people at the Redwood City office have always been pleasant and helpful when I've been there. I've never had that kind of patience.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)They are very nice!
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Because the STUPID BERNS!
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Denial ain't just a river in Egypt......
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)But, they want to twist the rules to favor their candidate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Since August 2015. I think people thought it was the party's job to go to his rallys and register people. All that time on the internet, wasted. Should have turned off the macbook pros and went outside and got folks to register. Winning the internet does not win elections. More votes wins, and Hillary has millions more actul humans voting for her. She made the same mistakes last time that I watched him make this time, only not nearly as bad as he did. She was about even with O in the popular vote last time. This time? She knew better than to ignore certain groups in favor of others and tried for all the votes possible. Smart Lady.