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Mon May 23, 2016, 01:31 PM

Why are Sanders supporters suing California on the eve of their primary ...

... to try to force them to do the job that the Sanders campaign should have done??

Entitled cry-babies ...

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salinsky May 2016 OP
Else You Are Mad May 2016 #1
msongs May 2016 #2
LisaM May 2016 #10
highprincipleswork May 2016 #39
DLCWIdem May 2016 #74
highprincipleswork May 2016 #82
cali May 2016 #46
Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #70
TM99 May 2016 #83
Demsrule86 May 2016 #3
Gothmog May 2016 #4
mikeysnot May 2016 #5
Capt. Obvious May 2016 #48
JimDandy May 2016 #54
Capt. Obvious May 2016 #55
TimPlo May 2016 #79
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cali May 2016 #61
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Tarc May 2016 #8
Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #18
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R B Garr May 2016 #11
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R B Garr May 2016 #13
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Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #71
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Post removed May 2016 #22
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R B Garr May 2016 #28
DLCWIdem May 2016 #35
salinsky May 2016 #40
Andy823 May 2016 #16
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riversedge May 2016 #29
Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #72
MohRokTah May 2016 #20
Andy823 May 2016 #23
MadDAsHell May 2016 #34
MohRokTah May 2016 #59
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MohRokTah May 2016 #66
riversedge May 2016 #26
Thinkingabout May 2016 #30
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #32
salinsky May 2016 #53
nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #60
Armstead May 2016 #33
CrowCityDem May 2016 #38
Armstead May 2016 #42
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nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #62
Major Nikon May 2016 #75
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Txbluedog May 2016 #84
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highprincipleswork May 2016 #36
procon May 2016 #37
salinsky May 2016 #43
Armstead May 2016 #47
Retrograde May 2016 #44
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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:32 PM

1. Even though...

They are also helping the Hillary voters that were given the wrong forms/information too....

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:35 PM

2. because sanders the fake democrat wants everything changed to meet his needs as an independent nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:59 PM

10. Boy is that the truth.

Lawsuit after lawsuit.

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:44 PM

39. No, because once more there are election shenanigans, with the state training workers incorrectly to

 

hand out provisional ballots instead of regular crossover ballots to voters with no party preference.

Do you actually enjoy disenfranchising legitimate voters? Does that serve the Democratic Party?

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #39)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:19 PM

74. b.s.

Its because those guys mistakenly chose the AIP party instead of registerring for the no party preference. They were thinking that they were of the independent party and instead found that they were of the American Independent party.

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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #74)

Mon May 23, 2016, 08:03 PM

82. Read the news

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:02 PM

46. Better a fake democrat and a real progressive than hilly, the real democrat and fake progressive

 

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Response to cali (Reply #46)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:55 PM

70. That FAKE talking point is old

 

Get new material. I'm bored with that.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:39 PM

3. sob sob...

why the process is rigged...we can't get registered in like a year...extend the deadline...hope Cali...tells them to get lost.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:42 PM

4. This and the other lawsuits filed by Sanders have not been well pled

The New York provisional ballot lawsuit was really a piece of dreck

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:42 PM

5. ^^^^

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Mon May 23, 2016, 03:05 PM

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #48)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:23 PM

54. It's a "Leave".

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #54)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:27 PM

55. Close vote

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #55)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:31 PM

79. And said thing is the loser who altered it is so biaed

 

That they altered a mild thing in a thread calling a group people about same type of insult. I wonder if they altered the OP too.

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Response to TimPlo (Reply #79)

Tue May 24, 2016, 11:34 AM

89. You are going to have to elaborate

on this post...? Please.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #48)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:37 PM

61. Ugh. Wrong result

 

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Response to cali (Reply #61)

Mon May 23, 2016, 10:20 PM

86. I know

I have been a target since 2002...

ha ha...

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Tue May 24, 2016, 11:40 AM

90. A BIIIIIGGGGGG FU

to the person who called me a fucking trump troll.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:43 PM

6. Entitlement.

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:47 PM

7. With all the money Bernie has raised, you would think that he would have had campaign staff

looking into details like this ahead of time to organize efforts to make sure voters were registered correctly.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:50 PM

8. This is why all primaries should be closed, then there's no grey area

Registered == vote.
Unregistered == no vote.

Simple.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #8)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:20 PM

18. Or, why the primaies should be open.

 

Registered = vote
Unregistered = vote

No gray areas.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #18)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:06 PM

49. Too open to Republican or Green ratfuckery

We have political parties for a reason, to promote candidates that share the same basic ideals. Either join or go create your own, it's not rocket science.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #49)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:12 PM

51. Wouldn't that be true for all party primaries if they were open.

 

Would not Democrats be allowed to indulge in "ratfuckery" if the occasion arises to do so?

Is your opinion a kind of "Love it or Leave it" brand of democracy?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #51)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:13 PM

52. My opinion is the one that supports those who have actually worked for and helped the party

for decades, as opposed to flavor-of-the-month candidates.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #52)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:03 PM

64. So, only party apparatchiks should vote and hold power.

 

Well, that's an interesting take on democracy.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #64)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:53 PM

68. Anybody can join the party

 

How do you get off calling people 'apparatchiks' for simply being members of the Democratic party? It's not like the burden of membership is so heavy. You meanwhile, want to participate in party activities while at the same time touting your non-membership as some social badge of honor.

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Response to anigbrowl (Reply #68)

Mon May 23, 2016, 06:42 PM

80. your words, not mine.

 

My opinion is the one that supports those who have actually worked for and helped the party for decades, as opposed to flavor-of-the-month candidates.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #64)

Mon May 23, 2016, 08:21 PM

85. Party members, yes.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:51 PM

9. Because they don't know how to use calendars?

 


[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:00 PM

11. Thank you. I got my ass on the phone and online and even went in twice to

the Registrar's office with my questions in Orange County. But Bernie has to have the whole state change to accommodate him like no other candidate before. It's really bizarre how entitled it is.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:07 PM

12. It is quite simple to get registered or change registration here

You can go online and register in minutes.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:08 PM

13. Can you just imagine the riots if Hillary had requested (SUED) a whole state, especially

the size of California to change their election rules -- just to accommodate her voters?????! WHO thinks of these things?? lol

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #13)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:19 PM

17. Trying to change election rules just so more people can vote in an election. Defeat that lawsuit!

 


How undemocratic and dictatorial of Bernie and his violent mobster gangs!

Fewer is better!

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #17)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:21 PM

19. Yes, change the rules for Bernie and Bernie only!

Only Bernie.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #19)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:27 PM

25. Really? So with a rule change people will not be permitted to vote for Hilllary! Link please.

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #25)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:33 PM

31. lol, yes, the Bernie supporter who filed this lawsuit is also concerned about Hillary.

Suuuure.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #17)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:05 PM

71. That is not what it's about

 

It's about changing the rules in the middle of the game! If he hated these rules so bad why is it he is only speaking out now after 30 years?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #13)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:23 PM

21. Yes, but

The "new" rules say that if Bernie pulls this shit its OK, if Hillary even thinks about it, then it's just more proof that she is a terrible choice. I honestly think Bernie is letting Weaver and Devine destroy his reputation for the rest of his life. I really liked Bernie when this all started, he was my second choice after O'Malley, but now it make me sick to see how low he has gone, and these dumb ass meaningless lawsuits just makes things worse.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #21)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:47 PM

41. +1000. Absolutely. I hear you about those two, as well. Suing after you are the one

who committed the offense is just a campaign tactic at this point. I've lost all respect I had for him, as well.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:12 PM

14. If you really want to know you should read the LA Times article about it. Never thought of that?

 

Here's a link for ya.

Damn it. I really hate having to do research for other people but that's just the kind of person I am. Always helpful.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-bernie-sanders-supporters-lawsuit-california-voter-confusion-20160522-snap-story.html

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

15. That information was known WEEKS ago. Weeks. This is just to coddle Bernie

supporters. As usual, the Berners try to pretend the rest of the world does not notice them trying to make special rules for themselves.

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Mon May 23, 2016, 02:31 PM

27. The time to change the rules is prior to the process--NOT during the upcoming primary.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #27)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:35 PM

58. Tell that to the Roberta Lange.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:32 PM

28. This is so transparently laughable. You couldn't care less

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about other candidates. You only think it will favor Bernie so you ask the entire state to change rules to net some more votes for him. I've never seen anything like the level of self-importance and just plain entitlement out of supporters of only one candidate. I can only imagine the epic freakout if those voters were thought to benefit Hillary.

But I love how you all hide behind the phony morals and rah-rah patriot mantras that rules should be tweaked to accommodate Bernie, and Bernie only. Potential Bernie voters should be coddled by all means necessary! Roll out the red carpet for Bernie! America!

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:41 PM

35. months ago

I myself mentioned this in about 5 threads months ago. I also noticed that there was an entire thread dedicated to the subject raising awareness, during tnat same time. The GDP thread was covered over with anti Hillary pieces so if it wasn't kicked to the top, whos to blame for not being organized.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:46 PM

40. So everything needs to be upended ...

... because the Bernie Bros are too incompetent and/or lazy to seek out information on their own?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:19 PM

16. I think it's become

Their rallying cry, lawsuits that is, every time they need more money. Seems like their base needs that kind of red meat to keep them pumping in the money. Weaver and Devine need a few million more before the golden goose is cooked.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #16)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:25 PM

24. Ya think Bernie should get on his knees and beg Wall Street for money?

 

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #24)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:32 PM

29. Nah. He does every time he sues-send you and his donors an email.

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Response to imagine2015 (Reply #24)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:11 PM

72. Trump would call that a pretty picture. nt

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:22 PM

20. It's setting things up so they can scream ELECTION FRAUD after Hillary defeats Sanders

 

It's been par for the course. They even raised issues in Oregon just to be ready in case she won.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #20)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:25 PM

23. I agree

This whole "election fraud" crap smells like something Karl Rove would do. Maybe some of the Bernie bros are on his payroll.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #20)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:37 PM

34. Embarassingly that's been DU's m.o. since it was created.

 

I think alot of DUers are very isolated and lack exposure to other viewpoints and the people that hold them. The old "I don't know anyone that voted for Bush so how did he win?" chestnut.

When you never get out of your bubble to realize that there is this whole other group of people on the other side of the political spectrum that believes in their side of the issues just as strongly and will support the other candidate just as strongly, you're genuinely shocked when your preferred candidate loses. And thus the default, go-to excuse ends up being that "it must have been stolen."

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #34)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:35 PM

59. Obviously the irregularities of the 2000 election lead directly to G.W. Bush being in office.

 

For example, the erroneous removal of alleged felons from the Florida voter rolls, 50,000 total with most not being felons, would have probably made the difference regardless of the influence Nader had on how close it was.

Another example, had Gore's team been intelligent enough to push for a complete recount rather than specific counties, the 14th amendment argument used in Bush v. Gore would have no longer applied and he would have won by some 2000 votes. Again, had the voter purge by Harris and Bush not occurred, even this would not have mattered.

The key here, though, is that everything done was legal in that election at that time. The GOP have become experts at pushing the voting laws all the way to the line of legality without going over that line, something the bigots learned from the Jim Crow era, another example of legal disenfranchisement.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #59)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:00 PM

63. I'm 100% with you on 2000. But I'm saying that that election seems to have made "it was stolen"...

 

...the default response of Democrats to election defeat, even in primary season when the opponent is other Democrats.

Maybe I'm completely naive and this has always been an issue, but I don't really remember this being the default response to election defeat until ~2000.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #63)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:23 PM

66. I think you're mostly right.

 

There has always been a contingency on either extreme who have always screamed election fraud whenever their candidate loses, but the real issues in the 2000 election have made the crazy much more evident in every election since, and at all levels.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:29 PM

26. I think the last day to register in CA is today.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:33 PM

30. Any rules they do not like it is hurry up and file a law suit, this effort could easily be place

on informing the supporters the deadlines and the rules. If this is what the revolution is about, then leave me out of this plan.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:33 PM

32. Have you read the lawsuit?

 

I have. And as media I have answered and clarified the confusion many times this year

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:23 PM

53. In LA, voters are receiving robocalls ...

... that essentially explained who could vote in the Republican Primary and who could vote in the Democratic primary, and the deadline (today) for registering or changing your party affiliation.

They also received sample ballots and a voter information guide that explained this about 2 weeks ago.

If you are half way engaged, none of this should be a surprise.

I personally am OK with registering up until the day of the election, but that really should be done by the legislature, not by an 11th hour lawsuit that essentially changes the rules.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #53)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:36 PM

60. And the San Diego registrar is

 

Putting out pressers. Still, the process is confusing and we have some interesting reports that in Orange County poll workers have been told to issue provisional ballots to Decline to State voters. Though in San Diego that has not occurred. Yes I asked.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:35 PM

33. Through the Looking Glass -- Democrats sounding like Republicans

 

"Let's make it harder to vote and to understand the process. Let's oppose things that increase voter awareness and access."


For a second there I thought I stumbled onto a GOP site.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #33)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:43 PM

38. A Republican tactic:

 

Things aren't going well for me, so let's use the court to change the rules in the middle of the game!

It's entirely Bernie's fault if he didn't get the message out that his voters need to actually register. That's a big part of running a campaign. You know, the sort of thing someone running for the Presidency should have figured out before they ran.

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #38)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:50 PM

42. Don't bother -- You are making a Republican argument

 

Just remember in the general, if some Republican rules cut back on voting times or otherwise make it more difficult for Democrats to vote -- by attacking this in those terms you are sacrificing the right to legitimately whine about disenfranchising Democratic voters in November.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #42)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:30 PM

56. I'm saying changing IN THE MIDDLE is wrong. We can complain all we want in between cycles.

 

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Response to Armstead (Reply #42)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:40 PM

62. I' am going to laugh in November

 

When these fools cry

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Mon May 23, 2016, 05:21 PM

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Mon May 23, 2016, 05:23 PM

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #62)

Mon May 23, 2016, 08:06 PM

84. And what if Hillary wins?

 

You gonna do what then?

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Response to Armstead (Reply #33)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:59 PM

45. Yep. The comments here sound like comments re: the butterfly ballot and hanging chads.

It was Democrats that designed and approved the butterfly ballot.

That confusion, on top of all the other shenanigans, probably cost Florida.


Derp, derp, if you are too stupid to fill out a ballot you don't deserve to vote!!!

Derp, derp, if you can't bother to unch through a ballot you don't deserve to vote!!!

The same goes for the Al Franken Senate race and recount against Norm Coleman. I followed that race and recount including all the Minneapolis Star Tribune articles and comments. The comments here sound like the freeper comments section...

Derp derp, too stupid to vote!!!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

36. If you pay attention, because the state is actually training workers incorrectly to hand out

 

out provisional ballots instead of regular crossover ballot to people without party affiliation.

How's that?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

37. He's grandstanding.

His campaign is broke. He's down to $5.8 million according to his last FEC filling, that's a few TV ads in California very expensive media market. Filing a meaningless lawsuit is cheap by comparison, less than a $100, but it still gets him some free press.

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Response to procon (Reply #37)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:50 PM

43. Unfortunately, his entire campaign appears to have been ...

... an exercise in grandstanding.

I'm really disappointed in him.

The man has not lived up to his lofty rhetoric.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #43)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:03 PM

47. Awwwwww...Bernie would be so disappointed to hear you say that

 

He thought he was running a political campaign, where you want to draw attention to yourself, and try to convince voters to choose you as the candidate.

No other candidate "grandstands" like that......erm wait a minute. They ALL do, because that's politics.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:54 PM

44. If you read closely, it has to do with

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a provision in the state election law that lets each recognized political party (there are 6 of them in California) decide whether to allow No Party Preference voters and how clearly the county election officials make that information known to NP voters. To vote in the Democratic, Libertarian, or American Independent primaries a Non-Partisan voter (what the media likes to call "Independents", although that term is misleading as we have a valid American Independent Party) has to request one of those ballots when they vote. Now, my county was pro-active and sent all NP voters a card back in March telling them to return it by a certain time if they wanted a Dem, Lib or A-I ballot, otherwise they'd get the default Non-Partisan one; apparently not all 58 counties did this. This information is also supposed to be on the sample ballot that all registered voters are supposed to get, and as I read the press release about the lawsuit, the basic problem the plaintiffs have is that in some counties the information may be incomplete or hard to understand. All of this so far pertains to mail voters, who are a significant fraction of the electorate. The lawsuit is asking for a do-over for people who sent back what they now say is the wrong ballot, although how they distinguish the "wrong" ones from the ones sent by people who followed the instructions in the first place they don't say.

For in-person polling, voters who are not registered with a party can request a partisan ballot at their polling place. But they have to ask for it, or they get the non-partisan one (there are lot more things to vote for than president here). There have been complaints that poll workers were being given incorrect information about this: I have not followed up to see whether this has been addressed, but it can be fixed without changing any deadlines.

TL;DR: The California Democratic party is allowing No Party Preference voters to vote in their presidential primary, but it requires a little work and reading the instructions. The lawsuit says this is hard and confusing even though it's the process that was used in 2008 and 2012, and the information can be found at the Secretary of State's website.

ETA: If voters register as Democrats the above doesn't apply: they will get the Democratic primary ballot by default. They still have to register by COB today, though.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:11 PM

50. because they have no idea what they are doing



If they were sent the wrong ballot in the mail because they registered as NPP, (no party preference), and never requested which party ballot they wanted, all they need to do is on election day take the ballot in and exchange the ballot for the one with the party they want to vote with.

However, two days ago listening to some of the nonsense over at DU, they are saying things like they already mailed the ballot in. Which implies that they received a ballot to vote by mail, filled it out, and mailed it back in, not realizing it wasn't the ballot they wanted. In that case whose fault is that? Don't you read the ballot you are voting on?

On the other hand if they didn't register, or registered for the wrong party, then they could have registered or re-register online. They have until today to do that.

The lawsuit is saying people are confused, and need special training, so the registration deadline should be extended, which is bullshit. People have had over a year to register to vote in this election, and now at the eleventh hour they want to extend registration because they don't understand how to register to vote. garbage

but guess what, if they had registered as a Democrat in the first place, instead I'm f their hatred for the Democratic Party, they would have never had to worry what NPP means. Instead if you register as NPP, you better read the voter pamphlets, and understand what it means . It has only been in place for over 10 years, and they have had over a year to register for this election, and yet they blame others for their inadequacies

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:32 PM

57. Nothing better to do, I guess.

California can't guess which ballot voters registered with no party preference want. Those voters have to request the party's ballot they wish to use. Simple. That's why you register with no party preference. That way, you get to choose which primary race to finally vote in.

I'm not getting the problem. If you want to vote by mail, you have to request the party ballot. If you vote at a polling place, you simply ask for the one you want to vote on, if you haven't stated a party preference. Three parties allow such voters to vote in their primaries.

What's hard about that?

The lawsuit is bogus on its face and will be dismissed.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:08 PM

65. The deadline to register is today--that was pretty generous.

You can do it online on your phone, while lying in bed. I don't know how it could be any easier unless you want the state registrar to just read your mind.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #65)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:27 PM

78. "unless you want the state registrar to just read your mind. "

He gave it a good try - when I got my driver's license renewal earlier this year it can with a voter registration form, along with a postage paid envelope addressed directly to the CA Secretary of State (but he's a Hillary shill, according to what I read on DU). And, since I had to go in to the DMV this time, the nice person* administering the eye test wanted to know if she could register me then and there. Then there are the stacks of registration forms at the local library and post office, and the people at the farmers' market the last two weeks looking for Sanders supporters to register. And the on-line form.


*yes, nice people at the DMV. The people at the Redwood City office have always been pleasant and helpful when I've been there. I've never had that kind of patience.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #78)

Mon May 23, 2016, 06:55 PM

81. I got my driver's license at that DMV, years ago.

They are very nice!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:34 PM

67. Why are they suing???

 

Because the STUPID BERNS!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 04:54 PM

69. Let's all say it together...because the system is rigged... nt

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:13 PM

73. Because they are grasping at straws.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt......


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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 05:25 PM

77. Yeah, pretty much sums up most of them.

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 10:41 PM

87. If they really thought there was an issue, they should have filed suit in January.

 

But, they want to twist the rules to favor their candidate.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 11:17 PM

88. People were saying months and months ago that they'd better get folks registered.

 

Since August 2015. I think people thought it was the party's job to go to his rallys and register people. All that time on the internet, wasted. Should have turned off the macbook pros and went outside and got folks to register. Winning the internet does not win elections. More votes wins, and Hillary has millions more actul humans voting for her. She made the same mistakes last time that I watched him make this time, only not nearly as bad as he did. She was about even with O in the popular vote last time. This time? She knew better than to ignore certain groups in favor of others and tried for all the votes possible. Smart Lady.

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