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Mon May 23, 2016, 01:09 PM

 

Hillary Clinton Is The Jeb Bush Of The Left


"There were similarly reverential pronouncements of inevitability when Hillary Clinton released a sunny YouTube video announcing her presidential plans. Like Jeb, she put in the time in the policy trenches. She earned it. And like Jeb, she literally spent decades meeting donors, building teams, growing trust with party officials, fostering loyalties—doing everything right. Jeb and Hillary headed into their parties’ respective primaries with godlike name ID’s and rapper money. And everyone freaked out; the parties, after all, would decide—so how could they not win?"


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-is-the-jeb-bush-of-the-left.html

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Reply Hillary Clinton Is The Jeb Bush Of The Left (Original post)
floriduck May 2016 OP
Maedhros May 2016 #1
Retrograde May 2016 #2
Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #3
NCTraveler May 2016 #4
Buzz cook May 2016 #5
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #6
floriduck May 2016 #7
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #8
One Black Sheep May 2016 #9
TheBlackAdder May 2016 #12
MineralMan May 2016 #10
floriduck May 2016 #14
MineralMan May 2016 #16
PufPuf23 May 2016 #11
Tarc May 2016 #13
floriduck May 2016 #15
alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #17

Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:13 PM

1. Except she's not on the Left - she's Right-of-Center.[n/t]

 

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:23 PM

2. Yeah, that's how I'd put it

Last year the pundits-that-be were predicting a Clinton/Bush rematch, because it was their turns and somehow being related to a former president gave one a big enough lead. Both parties seemed to be trying to shove their anointed ones down the voters' throats. Primary voters weren't having it, which is why IMO Sanders has done so well (it would have been more interesting if O'Malley had stayed in the race), and why the early GOP polls came out essentially "Anybody But Jeb".

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:24 PM

3. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, is the Trump of the left.

I think a good way to analyse the politics of America - and much of the rest of the West - over the past decade or so is on a two-dimensional plot with right vs left as one axis and populist vs what its supporters call technocratic and its opponents establishment politics.

This primary season has given a beautiful microcosm of that - Clinton, Sanders, Bush or Rubio and Trump embody the four quadrants (Left, Establishment), (Left, Populist), (Right, Establishment), (Right, Populist) as clearly as one could hope for.

The obvious trend that becomes clear when viewed on this 2-plot that's much less clear if you only project onto right/left is the rise of populism - six months ago no data-based commentator gave Sanders or Trump a snowball's chance in hell, but in fact Trump has won and Sanders has lost by a much smaller margin than expected.

You can see similar trends across Europe - the rise of Syriza and the Golden Dawn in Greece, the recent runoff between the far right and an ex-Green in Austria's presidential election, the NF in France, the Greens and the far right rising in Germany, a variety of left-wing populist movements and, interestingly, a centrist populist movement (generally the populist centre looks a bit bare) in Spain, and Jeremy Corbyn, the SNP and UKIP here in the UK.

An obvious qualifier to this trend is that, in general, populists haven't risen far enough to win yet - the only one of the examples I've listed who is actually governing a country is Syriza, and to call their rule to date a clusterfuck would be to miss a perfect opportunity to use the word omnishambles. So it's not yet clear how far this tide is going to rise, or if it's going to go some way up and then remain or recede. But, certainly, populism is much less fringe than it was 10 years ago, and the narrowness of Clinton's victory over Sanders reflects that.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:26 PM

4. Said no stable person ever.

 

This campaign season is highlighting why we need Clinton. We need to expand access to mental health facilities and Clinton will fight for just that.

We need to help these people.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:31 PM

5. Except for the winning part. nt

nt

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:47 PM

6. Really? HRC is similar to Jeb! Bush? That's going a bit too far there.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #6)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:52 PM

7. You misread. She's similar but opposite of Jeb.

 

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Response to floriduck (Reply #7)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:57 PM

8. His aloofness is HRC's keenness. His verbal stumbles is HRC's clarity, His dislike is HRC's like?

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Removing Left or Right, the snippet shows similar candidates to some degree.

But not the degree that makes up the candidate.


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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 01:57 PM

9. There was a great post a few days ago with the headline about how Hillary is

our Mitt Romney, listing the similarities. It does seem easy to find parallels with certain republicans when it comes to Hillary.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #9)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:10 PM

12. Anyone can spin a comparison. Now, a fact is that humans have evolutionary ties to fungi.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:00 PM

10. Yah, well there is a big difference between them.

Jeb Bush failed to get the support of primary voters. Hillary Clinton has a majority of primary votes and pledged delegates. Jeb Bush is no longer in the race. Hillary Clinton will be the party's nominee.

Seems like there's not much similar between the two in 2016. Seems clear to me.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:43 PM

14. I didn't write the story. I put it on here for discussion. It did its job. Thanks for participating

 

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Response to floriduck (Reply #14)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:45 PM

16. I didn't say you did.

I'm discussing the points raised in it, not you.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:07 PM

11. More like the Democratic Richard Nixon of the 21st Cemtury eom

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:11 PM

13. Great comparison, except for one, teeny, almost infinitesimal detail;

Jeb flamed out in Feb, while Hillary won the nomination.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #13)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:44 PM

15. Does that say more about the GOP or the Dem establishment? It could be either or both.

 

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 02:45 PM

17. And yet, Bernie Sanders is such a weak candidate that he can't beat her?

 

Such a shame!

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