2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton Is The Jeb Bush Of The Left
"There were similarly reverential pronouncements of inevitability when Hillary Clinton released a sunny YouTube video announcing her presidential plans. Like Jeb, she put in the time in the policy trenches. She earned it. And like Jeb, she literally spent decades meeting donors, building teams, growing trust with party officials, fostering loyaltiesdoing everything right. Jeb and Hillary headed into their parties respective primaries with godlike name IDs and rapper money. And everyone freaked out; the parties, after all, would decideso how could they not win?"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-is-the-jeb-bush-of-the-left.html
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Retrograde
(10,133 posts)Last year the pundits-that-be were predicting a Clinton/Bush rematch, because it was their turns and somehow being related to a former president gave one a big enough lead. Both parties seemed to be trying to shove their anointed ones down the voters' throats. Primary voters weren't having it, which is why IMO Sanders has done so well (it would have been more interesting if O'Malley had stayed in the race), and why the early GOP polls came out essentially "Anybody But Jeb".
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I think a good way to analyse the politics of America - and much of the rest of the West - over the past decade or so is on a two-dimensional plot with right vs left as one axis and populist vs what its supporters call technocratic and its opponents establishment politics.
This primary season has given a beautiful microcosm of that - Clinton, Sanders, Bush or Rubio and Trump embody the four quadrants (Left, Establishment), (Left, Populist), (Right, Establishment), (Right, Populist) as clearly as one could hope for.
The obvious trend that becomes clear when viewed on this 2-plot that's much less clear if you only project onto right/left is the rise of populism - six months ago no data-based commentator gave Sanders or Trump a snowball's chance in hell, but in fact Trump has won and Sanders has lost by a much smaller margin than expected.
You can see similar trends across Europe - the rise of Syriza and the Golden Dawn in Greece, the recent runoff between the far right and an ex-Green in Austria's presidential election, the NF in France, the Greens and the far right rising in Germany, a variety of left-wing populist movements and, interestingly, a centrist populist movement (generally the populist centre looks a bit bare) in Spain, and Jeremy Corbyn, the SNP and UKIP here in the UK.
An obvious qualifier to this trend is that, in general, populists haven't risen far enough to win yet - the only one of the examples I've listed who is actually governing a country is Syriza, and to call their rule to date a clusterfuck would be to miss a perfect opportunity to use the word omnishambles. So it's not yet clear how far this tide is going to rise, or if it's going to go some way up and then remain or recede. But, certainly, populism is much less fringe than it was 10 years ago, and the narrowness of Clinton's victory over Sanders reflects that.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)This campaign season is highlighting why we need Clinton. We need to expand access to mental health facilities and Clinton will fight for just that.
We need to help these people.
Buzz cook
(2,471 posts)nt
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
Removing Left or Right, the snippet shows similar candidates to some degree.
But not the degree that makes up the candidate.
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One Black Sheep
(458 posts)our Mitt Romney, listing the similarities. It does seem easy to find parallels with certain republicans when it comes to Hillary.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Jeb Bush failed to get the support of primary voters. Hillary Clinton has a majority of primary votes and pledged delegates. Jeb Bush is no longer in the race. Hillary Clinton will be the party's nominee.
Seems like there's not much similar between the two in 2016. Seems clear to me.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I'm discussing the points raised in it, not you.
PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Jeb flamed out in Feb, while Hillary won the nomination.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Such a shame!