2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders is officially a laughing stock.
The man who was never a Democrat until 2015 and will not be Democratic nominee in 2016 has now set the laughable condition that he gave a say over the Clinton Cabinet. All after finishing further behind in delegates than Clinton in 2008. This is not a revolution. This is a cranky old man resentful over not getting the prize he cherished. He can go back to the Senate, or Veemont and take his conditions with him.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)so many committee seats?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)They can say take this or he will get put on crap committees with no authority when he goes back to the Senate.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)What the Senate Democratic Caucus bestows, it can take away.
kaleckim
(651 posts)Just that the corrupt health insurance lobbyist Howard Dean were to be elected and take his place. He'd surely be a net benefit, and would in no way be swayed by health insurance companies.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Lol! Awesome and very forceful. He da man.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)He da man da man demands, cause he da man. Ha!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Own that.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)The man who was never a Democrat until 2015 and will not be Democratic nominee in 2016 has now taken Clinton to the ends of the Primary, still has a following, and has made Clinton change her message. Talk about a laughing stock, right?
karynnj
(59,501 posts)It is completely amazing that someone who was regularly above 60% and even up to 70% for 2 years before the race really started will end up having taking longer to clinch the race than almost all other races.
To some one her supporters mocked as a 74 year old socialist from a small state.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)which has been looong...
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)The candidate she beat like a drum and is about to take to the woodshed in California Bernie Sander is obviously the worst candidate since he lost.
rock
(13,218 posts)yeah if she is so so bad ...what does that say about their candidate?
840high
(17,196 posts)JFK and I agree with you.
apcalc
(4,463 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Look at the repubs for confirmation. Money dries up. Support waivers. Not so here.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Wasn't that about dinosaurs? Hmmm~
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Basically a version of "Frankenstein" that you can take a 7 year old to without any problems.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)Why is Bernie playing with forces beyond man's control?
Please explain.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)He will soon be gone from the primary scene and the GE can begin...and he will be very broke....I think.
insta8er
(960 posts)spend their money on her.
Here is Sanders fundraising take, 99% individual contributions!
insta8er
(960 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Thank you.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)I find Hillary's delusions of elect-ability hilarious.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Reporter Jonathan Martin told Jake Tapper that he thinks Sanders will want to choose Clinton's cabinet.
It was ridiculous speculation based on nothing.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)IMHO.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Spreading lies....
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)You're the laughingstock for helping Trump with your relentless attacks on Bernie and his supporters that do nothing but alienate fellow democrats.
Go back over your posts and name one time when you have ever been anything but a Clinton cheerleader?
It's time find common ground not divided us with stories that aren't even true.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)On Mon May 23, 2016, 07:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Sanders is officially a laughing stock.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512037683
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Trash his platform, trash his issues but lets stop attacking him using ageist language Should we call Hillary a menopausal old bag? This is wrong and should not be allowed. Please hide
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)In addition, Skinner's warning may have some thinking twice before the hId innocent posts
panader0
(25,816 posts)He's by far more of a true Democrat than anybody on any ticket.
Please cite your "official" source or STFU.
KelleyD
(277 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)In fact, he's already registered for his re-election as an Indy. I'm also sure he'll be elected by a large margin again. I'm also sure the Democratic party will be The Incredible Shrinking Party in 2016.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Truth matters very little to some people.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)Describing a state like Kentucky as "lily white and racist as hell" is pretty damn accurate.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)I'll pass this on to my friends, family, and coworkers too just as soon as I get it through my head that I'm white and racist as hell as well.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Now, if you agree that that there is a less diversity and way too many people loudmouthing racist shit in both, then we can agree to disagree in the appropriateness of the comment on DU, but acknowledging the truth of where we live.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)but the comments still seem dismissive to me like me and people I know and love don't exist. It doesn't help that dumbass folks almost always some ignorant white person has declared me as white and yes racist by some weird ass default
I also tire of certain folks talking about nothing but demographics. What the hell happened to people being more than the color of their skin or the sum of their sex organs? Are we no longer human first? Some folks have gone down the rabbit hole so deep our personhood has been reduced to nothing but census numbers and I don't think that is a formula for moving forward but rather going backwards because it is dehumanizing.
Would I have hidden it? No, but I'm reluctant to hide most thoughts even those I vehemently disagree with and may well have a spicy comment as I let it stand.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Somehow escaped.
So it probably balances out.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I have no problems with pot and think Colorado has the right idea, particularly if the growers essentially unionize/create trade ordganizations to ensure no gigantic corporate takeovers. (Tobacco is the truly evil weed, but if you compare the quality of tobacco in commercial cigarettes to the quality of well-grown and processed/preserved tobacco done not by Big Tobacco, there is a world of difference -- yet people still buy the crappier stuff rather than legally grow their own because it's available at every gas station.) Ditchweed is probably all Phillip Morris could ever grow, but people might buy it.
But I hear far too many people saying vote libertarian because they want weed legal.
If that's a person's position, I have to restrain myself from forcibly removing the pot from their hand and instead putting a copy of the Libertarian Platform in their hands. I restrain myself, but....
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Prohibition doesn't work.
As far as legalization, the people set and ready to move forward producing cannabis products that consumers actually want, aren't the Philip Morrises, they're the folks who have been working with the plant for decades despite facing prison time, etc.
Those are the experts, and if you look at what has happened where pot is already legal, those are the people in charge of the "industry" as it stands.
So maybe the question should be flipped around- is defending a morally defunct AND failed policy; the drug war- really so important it's worth losing those voters to the Ayn Rand Yarblockos of the Libertarian Party?
And if not, then why not do the right thing- supported by a majority of Americans, btw- and come out for legalization, period, full stop?
See, the philosophical turf where I come from, "liberal" has always meant leaving consenting adults alone to make their own decisions about their bodies, lives, and bloodstreams. That IS the liberal position. Imagine my shock when I found "liberals" who were against equality for LGBT citizens, or reproductive freedom, or ending the drug war, or the right of the terminally ill to make their own end of life choices, or were in favor of boilerplate religious right inanities like censoring internet porn?
Why the everloving FUCK some people on our "side" would want to cede personal liberty issues to the (L) party, will always be beyond me. And I will go to my grave not apologizing for that stance.
But beyond that, the objectionable OP in question had nothing to do with the Libertarians. It was about Sanders supporters not "putting the bong down long enough to register", derp.
moriah
(8,311 posts)But until we at least get it out of Schedule I, ststes will not want to pass even medical laws. Docs need that protection. If that's all we can get through in the big push after the next legislative session starts, it's going to help a LOT of people.
It's just concerning when people won't read past "they want pot legal!" to how they want abortion illegal instead.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I dont mean to keep hammering on the same point, but i live in a state where these ideas arent academic- the democratic party stands for not just reproductive freedom, but end of life freedom, marijuana legalization freedom and the freedom for people in pirate garb to go to vegan strip clubs or watch clown porn.
Perhaps coincidentally- and perhaps not- our party controls all state offices and enjoys a massive registration advantage, and the libertarian party here is little but an extremist right wing joke.
Lastly, the move from I to II is the absolute bare minimum HRC can come out for, and it still does nothing to resolve the conflict between federal and state laws.
moriah
(8,311 posts)And can't afford to move.
If it's not Schedule I, the doctors at least can prescribe if they choose without losing their DEA licenses. That's still a danger for doctors in states with medical regulations, and obviously part of any legislation to remove it from Federal DEA Schedule I status must give states the right to regulate production and dispensaries under laws they pass/have passed.
I want more than that, obviously, but if it's all we can actually manage in the 2017-2018 Congressional session, it's going to be better than leaving things muddled for more than just recreational states.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Any decent, competent candidate, like Sanders, polls far ahead of the New York con man.
KelleyD
(277 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)But you knew that already.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)and to be expected when he gets a break from the evil GOP types and she is bashed nonstop and of course Bernie attacks Hillary...and I should remind you those polls where he is ahead...include Hillary voters who would vote for the Democratic nominee...so as you can see, the polls are meaningless.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Fairs, that is...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Bernie Fair sounds like some sort of giant party in the desert with lots of ecstasy.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... you should do a little research before you say Bernie is a laughing stock. Bernie is exactly the type of person that a rank and file Democrat was like about 25-30 years ago. Bernie Sanders is a liberal Democrat and has been his entire life. He hasn't changed. It's people like you who have changed. You laid down with dogs and got up with fleas and it has apparently affected your brain.
Just go find the news clip you based this whole tirade on, will you? Bring it back here and edit it into your OP so we might possibly understand WTH gave you all this confidence to say these things in such a public forum about a Democratic candidate for President.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)This is the NH MA border. I see a lot of bumper stickers at the 5mph crawls. You know what I don't see? I don't see *any* Clinton stickers. You know what I don't see? I don't *any* Trump stickers. You know what I see a lot of? Yeah. That's right. The primaries in both states have been over for months and there are still tons of people driving around with Sanders 2016 stickers on their cars.
So keep laughing. Keep calling us names. Keep treating Sanders like a clown.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Every word you type carries meaning. It's good to know what they mean.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)For those who are wondering, RandySF is referencing this tweet from CNN's Jake Tapper:
It comes from this video, where New York Times correspondent Jonathan Martin speculates that having a part of the platform "won't be enough" for Bernie Sanders.
That's what it is. Meaningless opinionating from a dude on a daytime news panel. It is not a statement by the Bernie team, it is not substantiated by anything, and there is not even a case made for the opinion. It is completely Jonathan Martin shooting his mouth off.
Maybe RandySF, you ought to check your argument before proclaiming someone else a laughing stock.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)They know what the truth it, but they also know that it's not useful.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)from The Washington Post.
Sanders wins greater say in Democratic platform; names pro-Palestinian activist
Party leaders are trying to appease Sanders supporters ahead of a likely Clinton nomination.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-scores-platform-concessions-from-democratic-national-committee/2016/05/23/e9ee8330-20fc-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)RandySF's post:
The WaPo Article:
Clinton has picked six members of the 15-member committee that writes the platform, and Sanders has named five, the Democrats said Monday ahead of an expected announcement by the Democratic National Committee.
How about you back up and try this one again, VOX?
VOX
(22,976 posts)Ya got me, Scootaloo...it's I who owe you an apology. For me, it's 4 ibuprofen and back to bed.
Peace
And thank you. I tried to get RandySF to share his source earlier in this thread, but of course never heard back from him. Sometimes DU posts make you wonder what's on the other end, doesn't it.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)think
(11,641 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Just because they can't accept that he's lying doesn't change that fact.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I can see though, that you'll buy any old garbage that gives you a cover for the real reason you hate Bernie.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And make no mistake: it's all RW garbage. The only real disturbing part is that Sanders - the liberal knight in shining armor - feels the need to regurgitate it.
After Clinton puts this campaign to bed, and after Sanders loses his Senate seat due to his shenanigans, I'm sure Fox News will have a place for him.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)This is an excellent example of "catapulting the propaganda."
frylock
(34,825 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
frylock
(34,825 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)If you want to continue with the same divisive, ad hominem attacks and name calling I guess that's your business.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Response to RandySF (Original post)
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dflprincess
(28,075 posts)you may want to try just a teensy bit harder.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 12:06 AM - Edit history (1)
bjo59
(1,166 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)How long before the next round of "it's over" OPs?
Because, you know: rotation.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)That's 23 this month.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)Bernie is well respected, in our country and outside this country. He has had a historical fundraising record. He has very high favorables. He is basically a very well liked man--except in "certain" circles.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Can't wait till your cranky old queen starts courting republican voters, too.
Then again maybe most of her fans will be fine with it - since they don't seem to care too much about coups, using children as pawns, all her lies and cheating, etc.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Nonsense, as usual.
kaleckim
(651 posts)Yeah! He should learn the play the game. See, Clinton doesn't give a damn about actual issues or people, so when she conceded (days after the convention, when it was even clearer than it is now with Sanders that she wasn't going to be the nominee) she got that sweet State Department gig. She brags about not caring enough about issues to demand a thing policy wise, which she and her followers think is just fine for some reason.
Take your caring about working people and the poor, the environment and future generations to the new state of Veemont Mr. Sanders! We've got out nominee. She's deeply unpopular, is now all but tied nationally and in key swing states with the only nominee that is more disliked in polling history, is not trusted, polls much worse than Sanders across the board and is under FBI investigation. We've got this, and it's her turn. All that.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I would contribute generously to Dean's campaign
kaleckim
(651 posts)The state would certainly vote against the most popular senator in the country and in favor of the corrupt health insurance lobbyist. Perfect example of what the Democratic Party has become. Great idea. Start up the movement, the two dozen people you eventually organize will change the course of the state.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Even in Vermont Sanders can't win without Democrats backing him and he's pissing off a lot of Democrats.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)many people are not as committed to a letter or party, have you looked at the number of independents.
More people are committed to issues and realize that we need the majority of people to be secure in order to sustain our nation. A shrinking middle class for decades does nothing for the long term survivability of our nation.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)We were talking about how Sanders seems to be bent on trying to destroy the Democratic Party's chances of winning the general election if he doesn't get his way. When one acts like a pouting child bent on getting his way, one should expect repercussions.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You'd still be losing money, but without the sensation of wasting it!
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)whether Sanders supports her or not.
5% of the 43% will never vote for Hillary whether Sanders supports her or not.
This means that Sanders is relatively a non-factor in the outcome of the general election. However, when a person thinks he is more important in an outcome than he really is, its called over playing his hand, a huge mistake in politics as its in poker.
Sanders is definitely not important enough to be able to insult the Democratic Party and its leaders with impunity. The sooner he realizes the better. If he doesn't he should be told to take his ball and go home. Then after the election the Democratic caucus in the Senate should strip him of his Senate chairmanships and committee assignments, especially if they don't need his vote to form a majority. Then he can truly a man without a party which is what he has always claimed to be. If you act like the enemy, you should be treated like the enemy. Enough of BS's BS.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)This is a very stupid demand to make
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)See my post, #40. It's nothing but an opinion from NYT's John Martin.
Beausoir
(7,540 posts)He's just lingering now...pissing and moaning and begging for money from the very people who have the least of it to donate.
He's no Democrat.
villager
(26,001 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)from The Washington Post.
Sanders wins greater say in Democratic platform; names pro-Palestinian activist
Party leaders are trying to appease Sanders supporters ahead of a likely Clinton nomination.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-scores-platform-concessions-from-democratic-national-committee/2016/05/23/e9ee8330-20fc-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)but I consider the source.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)Considering that there's millions of us that will be paying attention to his praise or critique of cabinet nominees, and giving our senators flack if they want to confirm flaks, why whine?
I find it ironic that when a politician exercises power on behalf of a powerful corporation or wealthy contributors that supported them, it's considered just normal politics barely worth mentioning. But a politician like Bernie exercising a little power on behalf of his supporters the ordinary people that supported him? -- that's considered unusual or extreme?
polly7
(20,582 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Yet its almost June and Clinton cant seem to shake him.
zazen
(2,978 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)She doesn't think such a thing is laughable, and would never have called her Cabinet position a consolation prize.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Hillary will NEED if she wants to defeat that bloated Oompa-Loompa in November.
AmBlue
(3,108 posts)That's just the bullshit catapulter talking.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)jzodda
(2,124 posts)As a Clinton supporter I realize we need Bernie, and later on the Senate will need him too. He can be a force for needed change in the party and country.
Please stop with the divisive posts and lets start getting together.