Hillary is no spring chicken either.

[jillan]

This is in response to all the recent threads about Bernie's age where he has been called a "crusty old Jew&quot that was especially lovely); "a cranky old man "; and much much more.

Hillary will be 69 in October. IF she is elected President, she will be 70 at the end of her first year.

But even more important than age is health. Anyone who is an senior citizen like myself knows that once you hit 55, age means nothing!
It's all about your health. I know an 87 year old that can swim the full length of a pool under water back and forth without stopping, and 60 year olds that get pooped out walking around a store like Costco.

So let's talk about health.
Bernie:
The summary, from Dr. Brian Monahan, described Sanders as in "overall very good health," with no history of cardiovascular disease, normal blood pressure and vital signs, and no significant chronic condition.
Bernie's health probs -
Acid reflux that triggers laryngitis from time to time, and a couple of hernia repairs

Now let's talk about Hillary:
Concussion in December 2012 after fainting.
During the course of her concussion treatment, Clinton was also found to have a blood clot and was given medication to dissolve it. She remains on the medicine as a precaution, Bardack wrote.

The blood clot, which was in a vein in the space between the brain and the skull behind the right ear, led Clinton to spend a few days in New York-Presbyterian Hospital and take a month-long absence from the State Department for treatment.
She has a very common thyroid condition and seasonal allergies, and takes a blood thinner – Coumadin – as a precaution since her fall and the blood clot. There was no mention of Clinton’s height or weight.

Got it? You can call Bernie an old man all you want, but he is a very healthy, energetic 74 year old man.
Just don't be surprised when Bernie supporters bring up Hillary's age and her health problems inn response.



http://www.wptz.com/news/sanders-health-record-reveals-remarkably-healthy-candidate/37715582
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-health-records-2015-7

[riversedge]

1. So, doing the RW jobs for them. Take your post down.

[jillan]

5. Wow. We are not allowed to talk about Hillary's age but we are allowed to talk about Bernie's.

Ok - got it.

[Reter]

9. Plus they attacked McCain and Dole for the same thing

And 20 and 8 years later, they are alive and kicking.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Ow! Ow! Ow!

Someone has a case of butt hurt.

Ow! Ow! Ow!

[jillan]

18. My butt is fine, thank you.

[TheCowsCameHome]

76. Haha.

So I see....

[840high]

41. What? You think she

is a spring chicken?

[HERVEPA]

57. Are you now a general, giving orders? Takes your orders and ----- -- ---- --- --- --='- -----

[TheCowsCameHome]

77. Sounds like Reagan to Gorbachev.

[jack_krass]

79. F'ing BS. its a 1000x more true to say *you* are doing the right wing's job by propping up an HRC

[BigBearJohn]

2. Not really trying to be insulting, but Hillary does seem to be aging rapidly during this primary.

Just an observation.

[CountAllVotes]

30. She wears tons of face make-up

and that doesn't begin to cover up all of the wrinkles, etc. She looks pasty and sick to me, pasty and sick. She should bow out now and take her Coumadin and chill out IMO.

[jillan]

44. I don't think she looks that bad for an older woman. I really don't.

But I'm 60 so I'm more sympathetic to wrinkles

[CountAllVotes]

47. Well so am I

and I frequently pass for 35-40 years and no, I don't wear face make-up. Never have and never will. Hmph!

[jillan]

50. Is it okay if I hate you?

I'm not as lucky as you. Then again I live in hell.... Arizona. Dry and scorching.

[CountAllVotes]

56. I've lived on the coast of California most of my life

and I am fair skinned so I must stay out of the sun. My late mother passed for 55-60 when she died at the age of 78. I guess it runs in the family.

[jillan]

61. My mom had gorgeous skin. She was 81 when she passed, just a few teeny wrinkles.

Never used anything on it. Soap and water, that was it.

I just had to take after my dad

[snagglepuss]

75. She does not wear her age well however she is very sharp and on the ball.

That said I don;t think its wrong to question the state of her health. Bernie jogging thru airports and playing hoops is a clear indication of his good health. Another indication is the number and length of speeches he give at his many rallies. Hillary is making the rounds but the level of exertion is completely different. THere is also the concerning comment by Huma in an email that Hillary kept complaining of exhaustion as SoS.

[passiveporcupine]

83. Hillary's weight is her biggest health problem.

She's lost a lot of weight on this campaign, if my eyes are not deceiving me, but she is still too heavy. I am 66 and also too heavy (due to some mechanical failures beyond my control...bad back and bad knee, and chronic pain issues, that make it impossible to exercise). I know how hard extra weight is on a body when younger, and especially as you get older. Exercise is essential to keeping your musculature and weight in good health.

She really needs to get her weight under control, or she is going to be fighting for energy for the rest of her life. I know she has thyroid problems, but she also has the money to hire a special cook and body trainer to help her lose weight and get as fit as she can be at this point in her life. The more fit she is physically, the more fit she will be mentally, and emotionally.

I am also concerned with her weight, as a representative of our country, when weight problems are so endemic with our youth. We need a leader to inspire our young people (and older people) to be healthy and active (like Michelle)...and I just don't envisage her in this role, unless she can lose more weight and get into some kind of regular exercise routine, like yoga, biking, hiking, or whatever. I just don't see her trying to be physical at all.

[snagglepuss]

85. When exhausted, gaining weight is very easy.

I say this from developing serious insomnia 9 years ago. Getting only 5.5 hrs of sleep, the food cravings get unbearable and although I've always battled weight,I have,up until the insomnia, always exercised. But the the level of exhaustion I experience now makes that impossible. As she complained constantly of exhaustion while SoS, she may be overeating simply to stay awake since her schedule must be fairly tiring.

I would have thought that she has a personal cook. It would be surprising if she didn't. I do agree with your remarks about being a healthy role model however I think being president has been for her a kind of monomania so all her energoes get directed there.

[okasha]

48. You forgot the "cackle."

Sounds to me like she'll be fine.

People make full recoveries from far worse ihead njuries.

[840high]

49. Whoever does her makeup needs

to realize at that age less is more. A good moisturizer and a light dusting of translucent powder would make her look not "caked".

[Fawke Em]

58. The powder also glosses over wrinkles rather than sinking down into them,

making them more pronounced.

My skin is a bit too dry for powder, so I used an kind of a hybrid powder/translucent liquid, but moisturizer is a must.

[840high]

72. I'm 77 - never leave the

house without moisturizer. I use a dab of mineral powder. I am lucky though - have very few little wrinkles - mostly on left side of face - which was always exposed to sun when driving.

[dubyadiprecession]

3. Hillary is a 70 year old woman, the life expectancy for women is 78...

Hillary's mother lived up to the age of 92. The life expectancy for men is 74 and BS is already there.

[jillan]

7. My dad outlived my mom. It's all about HEALTH.

[grasswire]

14. life expectancy is not the same as health

Bernie is a trained distance runner. He plays basketball. He sprints for the train. His schedule has been as grueling or more than a man half his age.

Hillary does not look or sound well. That's just the truth.

[dubyadiprecession]

17. My mother has never had a clue about staying fit and has been sickly in the past and quess what?..

She's 88 and doing well.

[grasswire]

20. Is she capable of being the leader of the free world...

...with all of the policy matters and grueling schedule and little sleep and horrific stress the job brings?

Probably not.

[dubyadiprecession]

24. BS's one eye is a little more droopy than the other....

and people say hillary's health is questionable?

[840high]

51. lol - probably what's

drooping on me.

[jillan]

45. So what? Lol. Now that is just silly. Sorry. That is not a health issue.

[MADem]

59. Hillary is the youngest person in the race, at 68.

Trump is seventy this coming June and Sanders is seventy four.

Clinton-October 26, 1947 (age 68 years)

Sanders-September 8, 1941 (age 74 years)

Trump-June 14, 1946 (age 69 years)

[CountAllVotes]

66. My husband is 80

His grandmother lived to be 106; grandfather 104; mother bore and raised 10 kids on her own and lived to be 90!

Its in the genes oh yes it is!

[tazkcmo]

4. It's only O.K. to call Sen. Sanders old

and therefore not healthy enough to be President.

[RazBerryBeret]

6. agreed!

I see lots of people on here calling Bernie an old man... too old... old and cranky....etc. Oddly Hillary is only 6 years younger than him.

[Corporate666]

10. Another way to say it is that....

even after her first term, she will still be years younger than Bernie is TODAY.

[RazBerryBeret]

15. OR she will be too old. n/t

[Corporate666]

22. That doesn't actually make sense...

It's valid to say he's too old, but invalid to say that she would be too old after her first term, since she will still be YEARS younger after her first term than Bernie is *today*.

[RazBerryBeret]

55. She will be TWO years younger than him...

The point is, if he's too old now at 74 and she will be 72 in 2020; does 2 years really make a difference? where is your cut off mark? Is it 72, 73 or 74? Too old is too old, just depends on where you draw the line.

[Arkansas Granny]

8. I won't be surprised. After all, they've used every other bullshit excuse they

can think of to discredit her.

[JackRiddler]

23. You must be kidding about this one.

At best all you can do is admit that turnabout is fair play, since the "Bernie is old" card has been played from the start and to the hilt. He is - so old that he's even five years older than Clinton and Trump!

[jpmonk91]

11. Thanks jillan

You always have great posts!

[jillan]

16. Thanks :) I'm just tired of reading how old Bernie is when she is not much younger. If Bernie was

running against someone Obama's age, then yes, I could accept that.

But the truth is, they are both a couple of grandparents

[jpmonk91]

19. I agree

Plus it's his ideas that are important anyway and the other camp can't accept that.

[vintx]

21. Aw look at the whining.

Hypocrites

[grasswire]

28. I'd like to see her sprint for a train..

..or shoot hoops.

[CountAllVotes]

32. She'd probably roll over

and hope for the best!

Short hoops and no more scoops of ice cream for you HRC!

[jillan]

31. The "crusty old jew" post was allowed to stay by the jury. Just saying.....

[CountAllVotes]

36. That angers me the most

I cannot believe they allowed that to stand! Shows you who is on whose side around around here.

I think I am done.

[NWCorona]

27. Ageism is real not often talked about in a meaningful way.

I'll admit that when McCain was running I bought up his age and health. Mostly his health but he's proved me wrong as he's still kicking. When Bernie came along his health and age crossed my mind but he's healthier than me lol! Some of the things he's done and the schedule he's kept during this campaign has been something to watch.

[jillan]

35. We do have a couple of senior senior citizens running on our side. And Donald Trump is 69!

What a bunch of old farts - lol!!!

[derpderpderp]

29. And the constant coughing and poor judgement. And who barks like a dog at her age?

[jillan]

33. Her cough is curious. Especially since she isn't a smoker. But her doctor didn't say anything

about it and did cancer screenings. So I guess it is nothing.

[grasswire]

37. thyroid disease, I've seen mentioned because of the cough

another indicator is the scarves and high collars. thyroid disease can be visible as swelling.

[CountAllVotes]

39. My mother died of lung cancer

and it was lung cancer not caused by smoking. She died a wretched death ... just horrible.

[DURHAM D]

64. I have been coughing all day because

of allergies.

[JackRiddler]

43. The Clinton bark was just some silliness but but but...

If she had been Howard Dean in 2004, you know what would have happened?

In fact, we know what happened!

[JimDandy]

82. Oh Trump will play that barking Hillary video over and over and over

all GE season long.

[JackRiddler]

34. What do the actuarial tables say, actu(ari)ally?

Male, 74:

One year death probability, 0.033997

(3.3% chance of dying per year, rising a bit every year = about 15-16% chance of death before Jan. 2021)

Life expectancy, 11.55 years.

Female, 68 - I'll give her the lower number:

One year death probability, 0.013261

(1.3% chance of dying per year, rising = about 6-7% chance in four years)

Life expectancy, 17.85.

In other words, they both look like good bets, at least based on averages tabulating everyone based on recent outcomes that lump the healthy in with the already sick.

Data from https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

In practice, health and life expectancy are entirely individual and should be judged only as such.

Now what the presidency does to people, you'd think will kill either - or Trump. Except presidents keep surviving it. Great care is taken for them by a lot of staff.

Now look at both of them in action. Just because I like one better than the other, it's hard to see either as anything other than robust, and not just for their ages.

Sanders shows phenomenal energy, an exception at any age. I've never heard he had any problems. The way the age card has been played against him, as compared to competitors who are almost as old, is atrocious.

[felix_numinous]

38. I'm impressed with Sanders' energy

he has been constantly on the go since running, and he walks everywhere.

[CountAllVotes]

52. +1,000 !!

I'm glad someone else has taken note of the great stamina Bernie Sanders has! GO BERNIE!!!!!

[Petrushka]

40. Should we be concerned about Hillary Clinton's health?

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2016/04/should-we-be-concerned-about-hillary-clintons-health.html

[CountAllVotes]

42. No we shouldn't

Its a pack of fabricated lies just like the rest of that campaign.

Bill was said to have a room full of people cheering for him in KY when in fact it was a whole 19 persons in a hallway and photo shopped from here to hell and back.


Crooks = both of them, lying damned crooks!

[Petrushka]

88. I just finished reading "Clinton Cash" . . .

. . . and, so, I can't disagree with you.

http://www.clintoncashbook.com/

[derpderpderp]

46. Ophalmologist Dr. Marc Werner says Hillary is wearing Fresnel lenses

used to treat double vision, which is sometimes caused by severe head trauma.




?resize=500%2C300

[jillan]

54. That was after her concussion. I actually felt sorry for her when they made her testify in front

of that Benghazi witch hunt committee and she was still recovering from her concussion. That had to be brutal.

She doesn't wear those anymore.

[okasha]

63. Oh, looky. Another "old Hillary" photoshop.

Seriously, do you guys ever look at what you post? Or do you just take it as is off the RW site?
I give props for originality on tbe square pupils, though.

[MrMickeysMom]

53. Yes... She is is old...

... That's a fact. Her level of education may have achieved a law degree and from there political assignment through association.

But, she's not progressive, and has a narrow view of world leadership. She also is careless, as is evident with using methods outside protocol for high level international correspondence. She will also throw the nearest person in front of the bus for it.

Old, stuck in the past, poor leadership is no way to play president... Oh, she's smart enough for obtaining circular tight ringed support, after having access to it for years through her husband, who is also old, and not progressive.

But, it's no way to be a president.

[jillan]

60. I'm just bringing it up because that has been the talking point against Bernie the last few days.

All 3 candidates are old. Trump is 69.
Their attacks on Bernie's age has been ridiculous especially with this group of candidates.

I agree, the more important issues are her policies and her past performance.

[Smarmie Doofus]

67. +1. Back to reality. Thanks.

And SO on target.

[Beausoir]

62. Good Christ. Where the hell are the owners of this site?

This is getting worse and worse everyday.

[jillan]

70. Why? We can discuss how old Bernie is ad nauseum but we cannot discuss how old Hillary is?

I do not understand.

They are both up there. So is Trump.

If one of the three was President Obama's age, then this would be an issue.
But with this group of candidates? I do not think so.

[Autumn]

65. The guy who called Bernie a "crusty old Jew" was banned for his anti-Semitic views

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=197337&sub=trans A couple more to go. Anti-Semitism has no place here.

[jillan]

68. Oh good! I am so happy to know that!! Thanks :)

[CountAllVotes]

69. Anti-Semitism has no place here.

Sadly, you'd never know it at times!

[Smarmie Doofus]

71. I didn't read that post as anti-semitic.

If I got the gist... he ( poster) was saying that he'd ( Bernie) be PERCEIVED as "a crusty old jew" out in non Jewish America, should he be the nominee.

I believe he even put the word "jew" in quotes. Implying that that's not what HE would think; but that's what large swaths of non-Jewish America would think.

He actually had a point.

Besides we've seen real anti-semitism , I mean real *hate-the-Jews* stuff, posted here by someone who, though I think is currently absent, has NOT been permanently banned, and has even been lionized in "appreciation threads" ( good god) on the AA forum and elsewhere.

They "miss" her.

Now THAT's anti-semitism. Hard core and the real deal.

[Autumn]

74. That was ugly, but that person will never be banned.

And that's a shame.

[passiveporcupine]

84. OOOOh...she's back

Be careful what you say. she has a following.

[Smarmie Doofus]

87. You're telling me.

And the fact that she *HAS* a following.... on an allegedly progressive site.... is by far the most disturbing element here.

And admin. does..... well..... WHAT about it?

[oldandhappy]

73. Bernie does 2 - 4 rallies a day!!

That takes a lot of energy and he just hops up there and does it all again and again. I don't think any of us could keep pace with him! And he is thriving on it!

[cherokeeprogressive]

81. I think Bill was quoted somewhere as saying her recovery took six months.

[cherokeeprogressive]

80. Concussion is considered TBI and TBIs are much more serious when they happen to Senior Citizens.

It's not like Trump isn't going to spend tens of millions of dollars educating the voting public about that.

No surprise the first response was a request to take the post down.

Better fucking get used to shit like this or get the fuck out of the kitchen.

[leftofcool]

86. Oh good fucking gawd! Is that you Rush?

[BootinUp]

89. Bring up what you want, the clock is ticking down on this

disgusting primary season at DU.