Hillary is smart to avoid debating on FOX (again).

[IdaBriggs]

The more she talks, the less people like her. Plus, she's only hoping to be President of the Conservative Democrats, so any efforts to reach a broader audience with a free media event like a televised debate are silly. And she might get caught in more lies if she is asked about any FBI interviews, because a FOX moderator will probably address the fact she is currently being investigated by the FBI, a prime witness has been granted immunity, and a hacker who posted her emails with a guy who had no security clearance all over the Internet just struck a plea deal with DOJ. Oh, and they might ask her about her relationship with Terry McAuliffe and any connection she or the Clinton Foundation have with the FBI corruption investigation currently going on.

I bet she can get a nice interview with "Entertainment Tonight" and talk about her hair or something else safe.

Just because she made an agreement to do something doesn't mean she actually meant it.

There is a lesson there that her supporters should pay attention to, but they will probably miss it. When a person a) avoids tough questions and b) doesn't keep their promises because reasons it isn't circumstances - it's character.

Some people have good character, and some people don't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. We agree on something

Some people have good character, and some people don't.

That's the problem with cliches. They are inherently cryptic and anybody can use them.

[Dem2]

2. Agreed

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Empowering Trump, explicitly or implicitly, is a sign of less than stellar character...

One could argue that, couldn't he or she?

[Dem2]

6. Agreed

But, idaknow

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. It is alternately sad and amusing.

He’s not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasn’t so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.


http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-acceptance-of-donald-trump

I hope people never ever have to learn that the privilege they think they have might not be enough to protect them:



First they came for the undocumented workers and their families, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an undocumented worker.

Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Muslim.

Then they came for the civil protesters, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a civil protester.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Dem2]

10. Trump is indeed petulant

Petulant adult children can be extremely dangerous given the keys to the country. The fact that some are willing to even consider an all-or-nothing future needs to be taken seriously.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He is beyond petulant.

[Waiting For Everyman]

4. I'll bet she wishes she could do Fox though

because "megachurch moms".

[pangaia]

33. OMG ! I forgot about them!!!

Maybe she did too.

[EndElectoral]

5. I think it's less about smarts and more about fear

"The more she talks, the less people like her." Yes ,the unfavorability ratings on her just keep growing. People see her continual evolving bullshit a mile away as the record keeps being revealed.

We are fortunate the GOP nominated such a jackass, unfortunately we've a weak and vulnerable candidate who may blow this for down ticket Dems.

[pangaia]

34. " People see her continual evolving bullshit a mile away as the record keeps being revealed."

You know, too many people either do not see it, or just don't care.

[tex-wyo-dem]

53. Totally agree...

If she were at all a strong candidate, she should be polling way ahead of a candidate as putrid as Trump.

[polly7]

7. Yeah .... there's not really a lot she could debate him on honestly anymore, really,

or not potentially give the legal case(es) against her any more ammunition. Better safe than sorry I guess, even if it means breaking your word.

[emulatorloo]

9. Do not understand your love affair with Fox, Roger Ailes, and their paid rumor-mongers

If Bernie were in the lead, they would be smearing him non-stop.

[IdaBriggs]

14. Wow - MY "love affair with FOX"?

I didn't agree to do a FOX debate and then back out of it - that would be Hillary. I don't take millions from Roger and Company - that would be Hillary. Personally, I have been following two investigative reporters from FOX, and double checking everything they say (thus far they've been accurate with their facts), and we don't watch cable news at all (we cut the chord a few years ago).

It's pretty hysterical to be accused of having a "love affair with FOX"!!!



But like it or not, there are people who watch them, so I respect liberals who go there to share information (like President Obama and Steve L). And if she agreed to the venue, it's on her to explain yet another mispeak-that-looks-like-a-lie. No one can say people weren't warned so "buyer beware" -- except we know the voters don't own her because Wall Street does already.

Oh, and FOX has already begun - "Bernie is a scary socialist - boo!"

[polly7]

19. Oh, Ida .........

Look over there ---------------------- it's you!

Some need to deflect her lack of integrity on keeping her word somehow. You don't mind, do you?

[emulatorloo]

24. It is not "hysterical" that most all your OP's these days are sourced from Fox

I've watched Fox now and again for years. Their mission is to lie about Democrats.

Their partisan speculative nonsense about Dems may sound 'truthy' to you today, but it is most always wrong.

(Agreed that Dems should go on Fox and do interviews or commentary.)

So I am not going to argue the 'merits' of Fox News.

The channel has brainwashed so many of my relatives.

I already told you about my R sister who was going vote for Obama in '08. A few month of Fox and she was terrified of Obama as he was here to "destroy America."

That is fox's mission.

I have read and loved your OP's for a very very long time. I know you aren't a Fox hack. That's why it surprises me that you are so enamored with their smear tactics now.

Take care and carry on.

[IdaBriggs]

30. I did ONE post about FOX where I explained about the two reporters.

The rest are NOT sourced from FOX.

The problem we are having is that you think they are sourced from FOX because they are critical of Hillary Clinton.

I am truly convinced the FBI is about to recommend criminal indictment. The sources include The New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, CNN, CBS, ABC, Huffington Post and Wikileaks. I learned to separate opinion from fact or speculation a long time ago, and I am serious that she has demonstrated EPIC bad judgment, and to me, it looks criminal. I am not a lawyer, and my involvement with law enforcement is limited to a father who spent thirty years as his career (which candidly, made me cynical).

No one accumulates $150M in personal fortune in a short period without providing "value". What kind of value do you think a former leader of the free world and his wife the Secretary of State were providing? Government work doesn't pay that much!

I expect it from Republicans. I didn't expect it from my side.

[emulatorloo]

35. The FBI is doing a thorough investigation, and they aren't leaking.

We will know soon enough what the results of the investigation are. All the rest is speculation.

I agree she exhibited very poor judgement. I doubt that it was criminal. That too is speculation. We will know soon though, as it sounds like they are winding down.

I in no way insinuate you were like a Republican. As I said I have been reading and enjoying your posts for years. I really don't appreciate you insinuating I am.

Have a great day and carry on.

[carburyme]

39. A very Bernie sane poster right here folks!

What a big breath of fresh air here at GDP.


I have to give your post a big K n R for telling it like it is!

[emulatorloo]

44. Bernie is very close to me ideologically. Clinton's too conservative for me

Was in '08 too. I was for Edwards in '08 primary because of how eloquent he was about the Two Americas.

However I have lived long enough to recognize 'truthy' sounding media smears against Dems and I don't care for them.

[IdaBriggs]

54. I meant "I expect CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR from Republicans/not my side."

And I 100% agree that the FBI is going to be the final word on the topic.

I expect it to be soon.

But I am going to be all over "told you so!" if I'm right, because I have taken a tremendous amount of abuse because of my stance on this issue.

Peace between us.

[emulatorloo]

60. ...

[asuhornets]

11. You speak as if she is losing-when the opposite is true. Sanders has all but

admitted that he lost.. That's why he is negotiating. Cornel West Talk about judgement.

[Beausoir]

13. Her time is better spent elsewhere. Bernie lost. Hillary is focusing on the GE now.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. The "tough", "strong", "courageous" candidate got cold feet.

[reddread]

16. I think I know who Putin wants to see in the other seat.

[kstewart33]

71. No, she did the smart thing.

Why debate a loser when the nomination is won?

There's nothing to be gained from it.

Bernie wants the debate because debates typically help the guy who's behind. If he was leading, he wouldn't be debating either.

The race is over. She's focusing on Trump. As she should be.

[seaglass]

17. She is smarter than Bernie. n/t

[polly7]

18. Not really. She doesn't realize the internet exists, apparently.

Either that, or she thinks she's smarter than all those millions who still deserve a chance to hear both candidate's discuss the actual issues that vitally affect them.

Full video:

"In a Wednesday afternoon statement, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said the Vermont senator has accepted an invitation from Fox News to debate "with the understanding that we can reach mutual agreement on the debate moderators, the format and other details.”

Weaver said both campaigns in January agreed to hold a debate in May in California, adding that the Clinton campaign has “balked at keeping that pledge.”

“More than half way through the month of May, we hope Secretary Clinton will soon make good on her campaign’s commitment and agree to a time and pace for a debate,” Weaver said in the statement.

“There are issues of enormous importance facing the people of California and our nation and the people of our largest state deserve to hear the Democratic candidates [sic] opinions."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280405-sanders-pushes-clinton-for-debate-in-california

(bbm)

[NorthCarolina]

21. What a completely stupid comment.

By what measure and expertise do you make your asinine claim?

[seaglass]

37. It's obvious. n/t

[frylock]

66. Remember when GWB outsmarted her?

[pmorlan1]

61. Yeah she's so smart

she's the one who has the FBI hot on her trail for doing something incredibly dumb like using a private server in her basement that had classified documents on it. Our country can't afford to have such a "smart" candidate.

[NorthCarolina]

20. True, she's already disliked about as much as anyone can be.

Further public exposure will only serve to double underline Clinton fatigue among voters already suffering from insufferable Clinton burnout.

[Sunlei]

22. Very wise not to give any last second, credibility to fox the arm of the republican party.

[IdaBriggs]

23. Exclusive: President Barack Obama on 'Fox News Sunday'

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/04/10/exclusive-president-barack-obama-on-fox-news-sunday/

But hark! What do we have here? Hillary Clinton!

[Sunlei]

26. Obamas very selective on what he gives 'republican fox'. He gave O'Riley an interview a couple years

ago and it was a birther incursion. Obama tried to exclude fox from White House press groups many years ago, he knows they're an arm of the republican party. Obama will dominate this interview too.

Mrs. Clinton doesn't have to accept a last second 'debate' on fox over the current Ca. primary. It's just another republican attempt to attack Mrs. Clinton and make people like YOU on this message board carry water for Republicans. Shame on you!

Fuck republican TV fox and republicans.

[JudyM]

25. Zactly. This time there are too many bullets (aka facts) she will have to dodge that are now public.

No such thing as character or principles, with her. No "a deal's a deal"... she got her end of the deal, the NH debate, so tough s#it for Bernie. Win-at-all-costs-Clinton. What a role model for young girls!!!!

[Sunlei]

29. I think Senator Sanders is doing a great job, exactly what he said he would do. He will

be at the convention and stay for the entire process. I still think they will team-up Clinton/ Sanders.

[JudyM]

36. Their teaming up makes no sense to me at all. He is all about rooting out corruption in govt.

[Sunlei]

41. Bernie has left the door open and Mrs. Clinton has too.

They both know my ' Yin and Yang Dream' team would Unite the Party.

[Progressive dog]

27. Bernie is smart to get Fox to offer

the debate, if he wants cover for continuing his scorched earth policy against Hillary.

[BillZBubb]

38. Scorched earth? That's a laugh. Bernie has been as soft on Hillary as is possible.

He hasn't gone after her on her private server debacle. He hasn't gone after her on possible corruption in the Clinton Foundation. He hasn't used the FBI investigation of her use of classified material as an issue. He hasn't really gone after her for her role in the Libyan disaster. He's given her a pass on using Bill to be her economic guru. He hasn't touched Bill's sleazy background. He hasn't attacked her for using right wing slimeball Brock to run her dirty campaign.

Frankly he should have done all those things.

[Sunlei]

56. That's a Republican laundry list you have in your post. Bernie won't 'attack on that republican crap

Sanders mentioned months ago, he didn't care to discuss the server/email. They've both been on the same page about Libya for years along with the president & leaders.

[BillZBubb]

58. That's actually a left wing laundry list of facts. The FBI investigation isn't crap.

Bernie made a mistake on the emails because he's too nice. The post I replied to said Sanders went "scorched earth". THAT IS A LIE and I pointed it out. Bernie's not on the same page on Libya. And Brock is a right wing slimeball that WORKS for Hillary.

Wake up and stop drinking the Kool Aid.

[Sunlei]

63. All of us want Assad gone. All of us refuse to group-up with Putin/Assad bombing. On the same page.

You're just so anti-Clinton you can't see past your 'dislike'. I don't 'like' her either but I think Clinton/Sanders would make a good team. I hope they team-up, you'll get used to it.

[BillZBubb]

69. What has Assad got to do with anything I posted?

[frylock]

67. Scorched earth ?

[CrowCityDem]

28. Why give Bernie two free hours to attack her character, and not Trumps?

[Botany]

31. And HRC will be the party nominee are you going to vote for her or not vote which ....

... is a vote for Trump?

BTW way to get the GOP's talking points about HRC "out there."

[BillZBubb]

40. Only in bizarro Hillary world is not voting for her a vote FOR trump.

Basic logic seems to be the first casualty of supporting Her Majesty.

[Botany]

45. If you do not vote and you are not a republican or right wing Christian ....

.... then you will be voting for Trump in the general election.

[BillZBubb]

46. That is absolute nonsense. Did you ever take a course in basic logic?

If so, you should have paid more attention.

[Botany]

48. Yes

And I got an A too.

[BillZBubb]

55. Must have been Trump U. because you can't even get simple logic right.

It should really embarrass you. I understand you are a Hillary supporter and the only way that could happen is if there are holes in you reasoning ability. But this is elementary stuff:

Say there are eleven voters of which I am one. The other ten split 5-5. If I don't vote IT IS NOT A VOTE FOR EITHER, it is a non-vote. The result don't change, there is no winner. Now in this one case my vote would be decisive for whichever I picked, but not voting doesn't give the victory to either.

In an other scenario, my vote doesn't matter, it is not decisive. If it's 4-6, no matter who I vote for it doesn't matter. So again a non-vote doesn't mean a vote for either.

There is no way you can honestly state not voting is a vote for the other candidate. It is a logical fallacy--or a lie.

[Botany]

62. "I understand you are a Hillary supporter"

Sorry, I voted for and gave $50 to Bernie in Ohio this year.

I have been around a campaign or two in my life and at the end of the day the
candidate w/the most votes wins and if you do not add to the vote total of one
candidate you are helping the other candidate because then he or she needs one
less vote to have the most votes.

You do remember Florida 2000 don't you? 97,000 votes that would have stopped
w and all the horrors he unleashed on the world.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-nader-cost-gore-an-election/2015/02/05/3261cc22-abd2-11e4-8876-460b1144cbc1_story.html

[BillZBubb]

64. Again, basic logic is not your strong suit. I gave you a proof. Don't be obtuse.

Please refute my proof, or quit making a fool of yourself.

A non-vote is NOT a vote for either candidate. It really isn't that hard to understand.

[Botany]

72. I gave you a proof. Don't be obtuse.

You Silly Moose

Do not sit on a goose

Batman's first name is Bruce

That big tree is a spruce

Beware the hangman's noose

Did you lose some weight? Your pants are lose.

Boy I needed that bathroom break .... I dropped a big old deuce.

BTW I really did vote for and supported Bernie but he is not going to be the nominee.

[frylock]

68. If I don't buy a Ford, am I buying a Budweiser?

[Botany]

73. Only if you are in the Rocky Mountain time Zone.

frylock

[lunamagica]

32. Enough with the debates. It's time Democrats concentrate on attacking Trump, not each other

[BillZBubb]

42. So, even though she promised a debate, she can break that promise?

Which proves once again that character is not a big issue for Hillary supporters.

[lunamagica]

47. Campaingns are fluid. Circumstances change. It's all about Trump now. Having Hillary and Sanders go

at each other at this stage in the game only benefits Trump

BTW, speaking about promises where are Sanders complete tax returns for several years? We've waited, and waited...

[BillZBubb]

57. So promises don't matter if circumstances change? Talk about lack of character!

[lunamagica]

59. I see you only have personal attacks. This and his campaign iflexibility is why he is losing

Tell me, what purpose does a debate serve at this point, other than empowering Trump?

And can could you please answer with facts, not personal attacks?

[BillZBubb]

74. She gave her word. There were no conditions that gave her an out. Now she broke her word.

It doesn't matter what the circumstances are now. When you give your word, you keep it--unless the person you made the deal with allows you to renege. That is integrity and character.

It doesn't matter that you think it is pointless or Hillary wants to avoid it. She gave her pledge to have the debate.

If she claims during the campaign to oppose TPP, but once elected supports it, will you give her a pass because circumstances changed and she doesn't need to win progressive votes anymore?

If you cannot understand that, it says a lot about you.

[LAS14]

43. Totally agree!! I wouldn't want our future...

... president to be stupid enough to participate in such a setup. She certainly never agreed with Bernie to a Fox debate.

[samsingh]

50. Why progressives want to give Fox any ratings is quite telling.

[samsingh]

49. I know what you mean. The more i've heard bernie speak the more i realize how much

hypocrisy he has and the less I've liked him. Similarly, everytime he loses, there is no sportsman like conduct, only complaints, and when he wins he primps and poses and gloats.

[apcalc]

51. Such BS.

[apcalc]

52. How about she start being

Petulant, and demanding, like Sanders?
Or become an arrogant blowhard who lies continually, like Trump?

[Eric J in MN]

65. She did a townhall on Fox News; not a debate.

It was early in the evening, when many people weren't home, with a half-hour for Sanders then a half-hour for Clinton.

[DCBob]

70. Smart and prudent.

No reason to take the risk.

[BillZBubb]

75. Dishonest and dishonorable. But it's for a good cause right?

[nc4bo]

76. Yeeeowwwwch!