Berners threatening to avenge his primary loss by voting Trump or third party.

[YouDig]

I'm sure it feels good, and some of you might actually go through with it, but I can tell you one thing for sure, it's not going to get Bernie the nomination.

The Democratic superdelegates are not going to snub the voters and install him as nominee because some of his supporters are crazy enough to help Trump become president.

Not gonna happen.

[firebrand80]

1. Privilege

For some people, Trump won't be all that bad.

[kaleckim]

14. The privilege

was all of you people voting for a corrupt, center-right and hawkish Democrat when you had the chance to vote for an actual progressive. Trump would be bad, and Clinton would be slightly less bad. Voting for either and pretending that the end result will be anything other than more suffering, and refusing to understand why people are entirely fed up with situation is a sign of privilege. It amazes me that the two parties put up the two most unpopular nominees in polling history, and Democrats like you pretend to not understand why people are done with this corrupt and inequitable system.

For almost a year now, people have been pointing to the decades of stagnating wages, the crumbling infrastructure, the trade policies that have caused de-industrialization and helped with the explosion in inequality, the financial takeover of the economy, people have pointed to her hawkish foreign policy, her center-right economic record and the fact that her largest donors are banks (more Wall Street support than all the other candidates this election cycle in EITHER party combined). People pointed to her horrible polling numbers, the fact that she wasn't liked or trusted and that Sanders polls much better than she does versus all the Republicans (been the case for months). None of you could be bothered with that. THAT is privilege. Don't back Hillary Clinton and lecture others on privilege.

[Ohioblue22]

45. Privilege is deliberately trying to blow an election in a childish snit because your guy lost

[kaleckim]

50. You deserve to lose

with your damn arrogance and cognitive dissonance. The macroeconomic data has been horrific for working people for decades. The system is corrupt, a huge gap between popular opinion on the issues and government policy. We are, without a doubt, on the way to ecological collapse. The people like yourself that are voting to maintain this situation want to call those opposed to it "childish", as opposed to reaching a breaking point. It's beyond tone deaf and stupid, sorry. You all might as well be closet Jill Stein fans. I don't think she has anyone working for her that is doing a better job of driving people towards her than the tone deaf fools like yourself. Your mentality and way of communicating with others is childish, immature, tone deaf and short-sighted.

You were set to go up against the most unpopular nominee in polling history, and chose to back the second most unpopular nominee in polling history, someone corrupt, not liked or trusted. Brilliant. Now who, but privileged people (LOL!) would have a problem with that situation?

[Ohioblue22]

53. Just Keep kicking and screaming

Bernie is where he is because the media hasn't gone after him yet

[highprincipleswork]

78. You mean the media that Bill Clinton helped turn into a joke through his "Telecommunications Act"?

[kaleckim]

122. The media hasn't gone after him?!

My god, you people don't occupy the same reality as others. Did you miss the last week (alone), where the entirety of the media went along with the DNC's lying propaganda regarding the "violence" in Vegas and had to apologize when it became apparent it was a lie. Noticed the lying, bogus numbers, studies, the biased articles at the WP and the like? Give me a break.

[Ohioblue22]

125. That was about what happened in Nevada they haven't started in on Bernie. Anda few days on one event

Is not the media going after Bernie.

[kaleckim]

134. ...

That was just the latest freaking example, as you know. They've attacked him from the beginning because of the socialist label (everyone knows he's a socialist and don't care), they've attacked his supporters as sexist ("Berniebros&quot , hating foreigners ("English only&quot , they've attacked (and often lied) about his proposals and put forward cost estimates that were wildly inaccurate and unscientific (often also ignoring collective benefits), they (the entirety of the establishment) has argued that everything he wants to do is impossible (which it isn't, it is a long term vision to fight for and to organize around, no one said it would happen tomorrow), etc.

The fact is that they have more to attack Clinton on than they do Sanders. What they have with Sanders is the socialist label, which doesn't work like it used to, and silly little controversies. They've attacked Clinton more in part because she has so much more to attack her on, and because of that there's more opportunities to create fake controversies as well.

[davidlynch]

112. I agree with you totally kaleckim ^^^ THIS ^^^ n/t

[Fawke Em]

87. What part of "We don't like her policies and the corruption," don't you get?

We're not voting for her because we don't like what she stands for, which is why we were for Bernie to begin with. The two are MILES apart on economic policy and on foreign policy. They share a tiny bit of social policy, but we think Bernie's is stronger.

It has nothing to do with his losing: it has to do with the fact that we think of her as Republican Lite.

Third party, it is. We have to stop the Democrats from their rightward shift somehow and the ONLY way I can think of is to simply not vote for it anymore.

(And, I think Trump is equally as bad as Clinton, but for different reasons, so, no, he will not be getting my vote, either).

[trudyco]

110. Notice they never respond? They've got nothing /nt

[Ohioblue22]

121. Yeah some of us work for a living and can't spend the day answering questions

[Ohioblue22]

120. The part I dont get is you dont the like Clinton's policies but apparently trump's are OK

Because by not voting for Clinton you are helping to elect trump. I get it that you say you like her policies but which of trump's policies will you be happy with. Bernie and hillary are very closely aligned certainly more the Bernie and trump. So what part of a trump presidency is gonna make you happy?

[J_J_]

56. +100000

But then many of the Hillary "supporters" hired posters we are dealing with have been outsourced to other countries so they really don't give a damn about what they are saying or this country at all. It's just a job.

[Fawke Em]

84. LOL. No.

I'm a middle class worker who cannot pay for my children's college and will probably never be able to retire. If I lost my job today, I'd be bankrupt in two weeks. I live in one of the poorest regions of the country and it would cost more to move than I have at my age.

And, I have a college degree. So does my husband.

What fucking privilege?

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. That word you keep using...

Does not mean what you think it does

[merrily]

2. "threatening to avenge his primary loss" LOL! Let's use the most loaded words we can.

They just don't want to vote for Hillary.

[brush]

10. How about voting for Clinton so Trump doesn't win?

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Trump not winning is much more important don't you think?

[Meteor Man]

17. No

That one trick pony is dead.

[brush]

26. Man of few words, huh? Care to explain?

[bahrbearian]

32. "I made a mistake" I made a mistake, I made a mistake...that's what hurts.

[Jester Messiah]

70. No.

I'll not have that on my conscience. The rest of you can elect either of them, that's on you. I won't throw my support behind either of them.

[Fawke Em]

89. This!

[merrily]

133. I don't control how others vote, but I assume that those

who will not vote for her disagree with you.

[brush]

135. Disagree with me how? Not voting for her so Trump wins? Is that what you mean?

[merrily]

136. You would have to ask them. I just think it's a safe assumption on my part that

people who don't wish to vote for her don't share your views about the importance of voting for her. Beyond that, I am not sure how safe my assumptions would be.

[KPN]

63. EXACTLY!!!

It blows their mind that some people can't hold their nose and vote for Hillary ... because she's the antithesis of values and principles they hold dear.

[LonePirate]

95. I think their anger influences them more than their values.

Hillary shares some of their values, maybe not all but definitely some. Trump shares be of their values. Their refusal to support the candidate who shares some values only helps the candidate who shares none of their values. They know this. They are not low information voters. They are simply consumed with anger because Bernie is not going to be the nominee. They want it all, not part of it so they are seeking revenge. If their guy can't win, then their opponents' choice can't win, either. It really is an irrational, sour grapes approach to this election.

[SheilaT]

3. Actually, more of us will probably not bother to vote

at the Presidential level.

Please stop telling me I should vote for an evil person, even if that one is not quite as evil as the other. Personally, I'm going to vote for the person I actually want in office, not just to keep someone else out.

[brush]

8. Ahhh . . . why not just vote for Clinton to insure Trump doesn't win?

[kaleckim]

15. Why not pretend we have a democracy

and why not force the Democrats to actually earn the left's vote? It seems that you are all just beside yourself that you have to do so. You seem to think that this is 1995 and that all you have to be is less bad than the modern Republican Party. Given the decades of stagnation and decline, I personally am fed up. At the very least, you should put more effort into understanding why people don't support Clinton, cause the black and white view of the world is tiring. If the left and working people had another option on the left electorally, say the Green Party, you'd all have no doubt that you had to earn the left's vote. That isn't the case right now and people feel trapped. They lose either way (they do, the macroeconomic data going back decades is clear on that) and have no place to go.

[brush]

24. You don't support Clinton. Ok. I don't support Sanders, but I will . . .

vote for him if he gets the nomination because I don't want Trump to win.

That's more — no — much, much, much more important than me not supporting Sanders.

It's not rocket science.

It's a no-brainer.

[kaleckim]

30. No

it isn't rocket science, but it is more complex than your thought process. YOU might support her for the reasons you stated, free country. That doesn't mean that the situation with the general public, given her horrific polling, is as simplistic. Real wages haven't grown for most in over a generation, explosion in inequality, crumbling infrastructure, total abandonment of the poor, explosion in private debt, and she has no answer to any of that. That's an issue, and should be a damn issue. Trump is horrible, but the public doesn't like her any more than they do Trump. You all have to step outside your mental and ideological bubble and try to be honest with yourselves about why people are at this point. Study the macroeconomic data and look at what is coming for us ecologically. That isn't rocket science either, if you have the guts to face that reality and to be honest with yourself.

[brush]

37. All those words, but it's still a no-brainer to sensible people . . .

with any thought processes who don't want Trump to win.

And I think most Sanders' supporters are sensible people.

The operative word in the above sentence is of course, "sensible".

The Sanders dead-enders need not apply.

[kaleckim]

39. Politics ain't your thing

it requires something beyond simplistic, binary thinking, especially when trying to make sense of this situation. Maybe baseball, gardening, or sewing?

[brush]

41. And good sense is not yours

I don't have any more time for Bernie or busters.

[kaleckim]

47. Says the person

with an argument as simplistic as can be. I am not a Bernie or buster either, don't know what that is. I am an issues person and don't see the logic in voting for a reduction in living standards, just because the reduction is less than it would be with Trump. If the left has no breaking point, given the decades of decline, it should continue to be invisible nationally. A group whose ideas are extremely popular, yet can't figure out how to take power. Moving away from a party that supports people like Clinton election, after election, after election, might be the first important step. The Democrats had a chance to avoid this situation but many just stuck their damn heads in the sand, and here we are.

[KPN]

65. Seems to me that Bernie supporters in general are very "sensible" people ...

and in my view, from the big picture standpoint, a hell of a lot more "sensible" than Hillary supporters.

[brush]

75. I sense you're sensible Sanders supporter? So that means you're going . . .

to vote sensibly to keep Trump out of the White House.

[Fawke Em]

92. Hillary is just as bad as Trump.

Just for different reasons. That's why we can't vote for either.

Look at the polling: both are equally disliked. Therefore, I and others here aren't the only people who think that.

So, YOUR reasons aren't ours. Sensible people can and do disagree. Stop using loaded words.

I'm very sensible. I'm voting against allowing the Democratic Party to continue as Plutocrat Jr.

[kaleckim]

124. Sensible

means open to a good argument, not pointing out how bad the Republicans are and leaving it at that. Hillary Clinton deserves the left's vote in isolation because...the floor's yours. Pretend, just for fun, that you had to earn the left's vote and couldn't always reference the Republicans. Pretend that you gave a damn about the approaching ecological collapse and the decades of macroeconomic decline and had to construct an argument about her solutions in isolation. A sensible person would have a freaking breaking point regarding this stuff, and my entire life it has been this lesser of two evil thing, and everything has continued to get worse. Sensible people don't do that indefinitely.

[brush]

138. They don't withhold their vote so a canival barker wins either

No, you try explaining how Sanders is going to get Americans to pay for his laundry list of programs and how much taxes would increase for the average household — especially after the repugs get though with exposing his Marxist/Trotskyite/Nicaraguan/Sandanistan/Castro/Cuban ties, not to mention his rape fantasy and children touching each other writings.

The man has not been vetted, but in the unlikely chance he wins, all that baggage of his will come out.

Clinton, otoh, has been bashed by the repugs for 25 years, much of it untrue bs (whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi, Behghazi, Benghzi, emails) which has subconsciously influenced why even some progressives "hate" her.

[Fawke Em]

141. The email server isn't a right-wing investigation. It's serious.

[kaleckim]

145. You honestly aren't

tons different than Alex Jones, and I don't see a damn difference between people like yourself and the average Republican. The fact is that the Democratic Party is filled with reactionaries like you, and it's sinking as a result.

"No, you try explaining how Sanders is going to get Americans to pay for his laundry list of programs"

Simple, he explains it, at least to people (unlike yourself) that can think their way out of a paper bag. On health care, for example, he could explain that a person's taxes might go up, but most people will see an even larger reduction in private expenditure, which numerous studies and the experience in other countries shows. Now, people like yourself cannot think with any complexity, so you see taxes and nothing else. There's no reaching you logically because you don't have the capacity to hold two ideas in your head at the same time.

[brush]

146. Oh great. Ad hominem insults will get you everywhere.

I have no time for this.

Get back to me when you can make an intelligent argument without the insults.

[KPN]

64. +1000!!

[hack89]

33. They don't care if Trump wins. Don't you get it? nt

[brush]

44. I get it. Just don't get the thought process, or lack thereof.

[LoverOfLiberty]

81. Because they have elevated Sanders so highly

and convinced themselves the very worst of Clinton that they can't possibly understand why Clinton is better than Turmp

And they call Hillary supporters "low information".

[Fawke Em]

93. Low information voters think Clinton is better.

I have far too much information on her - from LEFT wing sources - so that I KNOW she's no better.

To be honest, between Clinton and Trump, only one is under a criminal investigation and it's not the orange yam.

[brush]

62. Ok. That's your position. Fortunately most Sanders supporter don't feel that way.

Only about 25-30% are dead-enders/Bernie of busters.

We can still win against the carnival barker with a combined coalition of Latino Americans, sensible progressive whites who don't want Trump appointing the next 3 SCOTUS justices, African Americans, Asian Americans, women, gays, Native Americans, sensible left-leaning and moderate independents who also don't want Trump appointing the next 3 SCOTUS justices — why that sounds a lot like the Obama Coalition that won in '08 and '12.

We're golden!

[Contrary1]

71. Then no need to worry. n/t

[Fawke Em]

91. Did you not read this sentence?

Please stop telling me I should vote for an evil person, even if that one is not quite as evil as the other.

That explains why.

[brush]

117. So you're go with the more "evil" one. Gotcha!

[Fawke Em]

139. I'm going with "not evil." Period.

[SheilaT]

115. Because I think Hillary will also be a disaster for this country,

just a different kind of disaster than the Donald.

You may as well ask me to I want my eyes plucked out by crows or by a human wielding a fork. Either way, I have no eyes.

[oberliner]

132. Surely if Bernie Sanders stands for anything it's not voting!

Ridiculous.

[gordianot]

4. It will not happen, Sanders will not get the nomination.

It will be interesting enough to be a Democratic delegate this year.

[seekthetruth]

5. Funny how you use the word "avenge"...

......when I think the better word is we're making a "choice" not to follow what the Party tells us to support.

And, sure, keep saying that a lot of us are going Trump. That is just gonna get old quick.

Why are you guys so up in arms because we haven't been mesmerized by the twinkle in Hillary's eyes.....? Just because we don't agree with you, you feel the need to offend us by claiming we're willing to support Trump?? Kinda dumb.

[brush]

7. Why not just vote for Clinton to insure Trump doesn't win?

[seekthetruth]

34. Because we're fucked with Hilary as well...

Just by a prettier face.....

[brush]

46. Ahhh, come on. It's not that bad. Hillary will at least use lubricant.

[seekthetruth]

137. Now that is funny!

Yep, I agree! She'll lube her way into office, ensure that all of the party elite have her back, and she'll make sure that the corporate boys play nice as well.

Nice real fucking ludicrous system we have here.....sad.

Don't be surprised if the proletariat starts a revolution, and you're not invited....

[brush]

140. It might surprise you, as I could be there

I just happen to believe Sanders' baggage, once revealed by the repugs, would doom the party in the unlikely event he wins the nomination.

IMO, he's just not the right progressive.

[seekthetruth]

142. Baggage?

The hammer and sickle thing will get very old because it's absolutely ridiculous. Also, I'm entirely not sure Hillary can claim anyone has more baggage than her....remember, she is the one under FBI investigation.

Also, I respect your opinion....but Sanders is the ONLY progressive in the right. ABSOLUTELY!

Don't you think that neoliberalism has taken over the modern Democratic Party?

[brush]

144. There's more than his Marxist/ . . .

Trotskyite/Nicaraguan/Sandanistan/Castro/Cuban ties, there's also his rape fantasy and children touching each other writings.

He hasn't been vetted, but the repugs will if he wins. It won't be pretty and will be a not so pleasing revelation to many of his supporters

[VulgarPoet]

102. Why not just shoot myself in the gut to ensure my enemies don't shoot me in the face?

[rateyes]

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[Arazi]

23. Jayzus, 6 weeks, 4 hides and over 1250 posts!,These April newbies have an amazing amt of time

to spend here...

How coincidental.

[rateyes]

49. If I didn't know better, I would think they are doing

this for a living.

[frylock]

57. This is one of the more prolific Brockboys.

Pedal to the metal.

[VulgarPoet]

103. Careful.

I caught a hide for doing that. Guess they're sensitive about freedom of information, who'd have thunk it?

[Waiting For Everyman]

9. You're going to wear out your crystal ball.

See, I can predict stuff too.

[Andy823]

11. Those are not real supporters

They are trolls, Paul bots, anti everything haters who used Bernie to try and divide the Democratic voters. Sadly some are gullible enough to buy into their BS, but for the most part these clowns never voted for a Democrat in their life, and never will, they just stir things up and cause problems. Those who are "real" Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives, will vote for the nominee, no matter who it is. That's what really counts.

[RKP5637]

31. Agree!!! There was also an earlier post yesterday or day before about targeting DU as fake

Bernie supporters to make him look bad to divide democrats and instill fighting among democrats to promote indirectly republicans. Anyone can join DU.

[frylock]

59. You're replying to a paid troll ffs.

[Fawke Em]

97. Not a one of us regular BoBers on this board are Paul fans.

We talk among ourselves because we're real liberals with similar goals; therefore, I know for a fact we're not Paul fans.

Stop telling yourself that most of us are Paulites. It's simply not true. I'm sure that Bernie does have some supporters who are Paul fans, but not us liberals.

BTW, the Democratic Party is no longer synonymous with the word, "liberal," which is why were aren't enamored with Hillary in the least.

[JoePhilly]

100. + 1

[jzodda]

12. Any Dem who votes for Trump is a fool

Hasn't he said enough yet? Releasing a list of wackos for the Supreme Court?

Saying he wants to get rid of gun free school zones?

Trade wars? Mass deportations? defaulting on the debt? Increased military spending?

Getting rid of Dodd Frank?

Repeal of the ACA?

How much do these people need?

[jzodda]

38. Are you saying its ok to vote for Trump?

Really? Knowing all that we know for what he plans?

Have people lost all sense of reality?

[VulgarPoet]

106. Any Dem who votes for *either* is a fool, in my opinion.

Back to the drawing board for the whole thing, because we're essentially "choosing" between fascism and oligarchy; both of which are completely antithetical to what America is supposed to represent. And people want to keep touting the RW talking point that we're still a great, exceptional country.

[Dawgs]

13. At this point, I'm worried about Trump becoming President.

And, I don't see any possible way that Hillary can win.

Bernie's approval number are currently 26 points better than Hillary, which means that he is our only hope against a Trump presidency.

It doesn't matter to me if Bernie gets the nomination if anyone can show me that Hillary can win, but until then I have to hope that somehow we can prevent a President Trump...if that means that the SD's step in, then so be it.

[kaleckim]

16. By the way

the truth is that it really isn't Bernie or bust for most people. It's the issues or bust, it's not being corrupt like Clinton. He happens to not be corrupt and takes positions on actual issues that the left and working people appreciate (so it isn't entirely ideological) and benefit from. Clinton is corrupt, that isn't arguable, and she is well to the right of the general public on a number of key issues, more so with those in her party. Many supported her in the early primaries because she was more "electable" but that was always nonsense, and it is clear that she is far less electable than Sanders as we sit here now. That's the case because of the issues, and issues matter.

[Chan790]

43. +1000! n/t

[MohRokTah]

18. Such Berners were neither Liberals nor Democrats.

Rand Paul enthusiasts, most likely.

[Meteor Man]

20. Nice Dreamscape

Keep telling yourself that when Trump gets inaugerated because working class progressive dems walk away from the party of DWS.

[kaleckim]

42. Yeah

there's no such thing as left wing critiques of corrupt Democrats like Clinton. Everyone to her left are Rand freaking Paul supporters. I don't even know what to do with this silly logic anymore.

[Chan790]

61. Mock it for the absurdity it is. n/t

[VulgarPoet]

108. Use this one simple phrase for people who say "they're clearly just libertarians".

"Fuck'em."

And then exercise your ignore button, because they clearly have nothing worth reading if they can't understand legitimate critiques.

[kaleckim]

123. True

as true can be.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. In my state, that Bernie won, the SD's are going to "snub" the voters and vote for Clinton.

How does that work?

[boston bean]

52. It is going to go the same way it did in 2008 when for example

Ted Kennedy and John Kerry went against MA voters and endorsed Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. Exactly. When does the demoratic part of Demoratic Party kick in?

[boston bean]

94. You don't change rules in the middle of the election.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. Why not? If it's the right thing to do.

[Fawke Em]

99. Tell that to Roberta Lange....

[oasis]

22. An ultra right Supreme Court will bite them all in the ass for decades.

it'll be to late for regrets.

[RKP5637]

34. And that is exactly what will happen. Trump has said as much, if one can ever believe

him. No president is ever perfect. I will vote for the democratic nominee.

[morningfog]

25. You are such a constructive and positive new contributing voice on DU.

And this post doesn't even hold up to logic. Par for the shit stirring course.

[Orsino]

27. Worse yet, some DUers are falling for this story.

Some are even pretending that the phenomenon might turn out to be significant.

[procon]

28. It's not a coincidence that Trump is now quoting Sanders in criticising Hillary.

Sanders is trying to use the same rightwing criticisms to weaken Hillary. Voters already expect Republicans to criticize Democrats, after all, they've been chasing the Clintons for decades, and their futile attempts to eliminate Hillary over the years has robbed their anti-Clinton rhetoric of any power to persuade voter to switch.

Hillary comes off as looking more presidential. She's fighting on two fronts while both Trump and Sanders share talking points to undermine her and every other Democrat to advance their own candidacies. Trump is smarter than Sanders. He's using Sanders own words to appeal to his disillusioned followers. Sanders is only thinking about what's best for Sanders. He's stuck in angry, sourpuss mode, trying to divide Democrats, and hoping to gain some leverage over Hillary because he knows that she will make concessions to his demands to hold the party together and get more Democrats elected.

[basselope]

29. Clinton never had my vote.

Only came back to this party for Bernie.

[beachbumbob]

36. Sour grapes...egos overriding what's good for america

[Jester Messiah]

72. If you think Hillary is "what's good for America"

Then I don't want to be in the same party as you.

[VulgarPoet]

109. +1

[Chan790]

40. There is no expectation that it will get Bernie the nomination.

It's a protest action aimed at:

a.) Denying Hillary the Presidency.
b.) The slaughter of the Clintonite establishment of the party.

[KPN]

69. Gee, I like both (a) and (b)!

Though I have to say, I prefer Hillary over Trump if I have to vote for one of the two. The nice thing about Democracy though is I don't have to choose between those two. I can pick another, write someone in, or simply not vote!

My guess: regardless of what Berners choose to do, Hillary wins this or loses it on her own.

[Cosmocat]

76. on b)

That is a fantasy ...

I know the far left has somehow managed to allow itself to be infected about rabid right wing hillary derangement.

But, Hillary is the symptom, not the cause.

It may end her political career if she loses, but it won't change the party one iota ...

[anotherproletariat]

48. All it does is verify what everyone thinks about the radical Sanders supporters. nt

[katsy]

51. Stop with the manufactured outrage

when that is the exact opposite of what is necessary.

28% of PUMAs vowed to vote for mittens against PBO in 2008.

HRC worked to fix some of that. SBS will work to elect HRC. But in either scenario, voters will & have voted their conscience & no amount of hand-wringing or vapors will change that. You don't have the power to change that no matter how nasty you come down on SBS supporters. So why go thru the motion?

Just fucking chill with this divisive shit. Always my team vs your team. Always "your candidate is devil incarnate & mine smells of fresh mountain spring flowers". They are politicians. Their job is to represent their supporters. Pick your poison from that. I chose SBS because his policies align closely with my preferences. Simple. Fucking. Choice. Not evil.

Never allowing the process to unfold without fanning the flames of discord. Happens every election. Tear the opposition supporters apart. And you know what? It don't matter. Voters will vote their way & you don't make a spit of difference.

[KPN]

67. Booyah!

Thank you for that!

[AzDar]

54. Many, MANY people will NOT vote for Hillary Clinton... She is the problem not the solution.

She won't beat Trump... nominate her, and we LOSE

[frylock]

55. Is this happening in your little fantasy world?

[JohnnyRingo]

58. Protest votes are like political masturbation

It feels good while you're doing it, but no one else will ever know or care who your fantasy candidate is.

In most states Sanders would have to be registered as a write-in candidate to be counted anyway. Most people want to vote for the eventual winner to share in the victory party, and that's why no one makes a bumper sticker that says "Don't blame Me, I threw my vote away".

[kstewart33]

66. Ultimately, the large majority of Berners will vote for Hillary or sit out the election.

No sense shooting off your nose to spite your face.

Unless you're crazy. And I'd wager that absent a few, Berners aren't crazy.

[Betty Karlson]

74. It doesn't feel good. It's just that voting for that condescending piece of millennial-bashing

(Clinton) feels even worse: after all the "complacent hell-bound sluts lusting for racist and sexist Berniebros who are easily duped keyboard warriors asking for free stuff and f*cking retarded unicorns; also PRAISE NANCY REAGAN"

The 20th century is over. No more president who parties like it's still 1999.
The status quo is untenable. No way I will vote for either Trump or Clinton.

We need Bernie, even if DINO-Debbie hates every day of his presidency. He is our best chance of keeping the White House, taking back the senate, maybe even flipping the house. He is our only chance of not losing badly in 2018 and 2020. Clinton is a GE diaster feeling entitled to happen. She can't even handle one California debate with a gentleman like Sanders. Imagine how badly she would handle a debate with a rake like Trump!

[VulgarPoet]

111. This.

"complacent hell-bound sluts lusting for racist and sexist Berniebros who are easily duped keyboard warriors asking for free stuff and f*cking retarded unicorns; also PRAISE NANCY REAGAN"

Fuck all of this. If falling behind horseshit of this caliber is what it takes to be a Democrat, then fuck every last iota of that.

[Betty Karlson]

116. prophesy thy rage!

(I mean it: thanks for the moral support)

[Beacool]

77. Those people who would either sit on their hands or vote third party,

are nothing more than foolish and shortsighted. I would vote for any Democrat to prevent a vile man like Trump from becoming president. Maybe because many of his supporters are young, they don't have the maturity to put aside their disappointment and realize how damaging to their futures a Trump presidency would be.

I blame Sanders for a lot of these people's reaction to his potential loss of the nomination. He keeps attacking the Democratic party and Hillary too. Does he even care that he's adding salt on the wound? How are we going to come together as a party if he keeps insisting that the system was rigged against him?

[JCMach1]

79. it becomes a problem in a close election when 3-5% of the left withold their vote

that gets you to Nader 2000. We know what that led to...

[GoneFishin]

80. Good try. If the choices are suckier and even suckier, then none-of-the-above is a reasonable choice

Or, in the event that one of the sucky choices has been smugly telling you, and even demanding, that you must vote for them, no matter how contemptuous they are of your values, then all bets are off, and anything could happen.

[99Forever]

82. I don't. vote against candidates.

I only vote for candidates. Then only those that will address the issues important to me. Period.

Anyone that thinks I would vote differently because I am "mad" is.a blooming idiot.

[okieinpain]

83. i think thrump supporters have been voting for bernie all along. n/t.

[okieinpain]

85. news article.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/02/closed_primaries_did_not_stop_bernie_sanders_130446.html

[imagine2015]

86. Rich White Privilege

[AtomicKitten]

88. It's none of your business who Sanders' supporters vote for, your brow-beating notwithstanding.

[EndElectoral]

90. A threat? I actually think most Sanders voters will do one of four things.

1. Hold their nose and vote the lesser of two evils.
2. Vote third party for perhaps the Green Party or write in Bernie.
3. Stay home
4. Some will vote for Trump

I don't think anyone is threatening to do it, they'll just do it because they can't ethically vote for HRC. I am in the process of debating 1 and 2, but posts like yours lean me towards 2.

[GulfCoast66]

105. You seriously

Let anonymous posters on a public forum affect how you vote? Because that is what you just stated.

I think you need to take a breath and log off for awhile.

[Mike Nelson]

101. Those who vote for Trump because Bernie lost are...

...not worth courting. It's a waste of time - spend it on others.

[B Calm]

104. Has anyone called you on your fake outrage or called you a drama queen?

[VulgarPoet]

113. Of course not, that's racist/sexist/ableist/insert "ist" of the day.

[Sheepshank]

107. bless their pointy little heads

it's what they do to feel relevant

[hobbit709]

114. What a crock of excrement.

[Fly by night]

119. No we're not. Many of us will write in Bernie.

[no_hypocrisy]

126. Empty rhetoric in the heat of passion.

Voting for Trump is voting to commit suicide. Voting for a third party is voting for Trump. See first sentence.

[RandySF]

127. Which proved my point

Any Berner who votes for Trump either doesn't understand the stakes or is a position in which a Trump presidency does no harm.

[Doctor_J]

128. Here's what Mrs. Clinton's appointee to the platform committee thinks of healthcare rights

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512043760

Money quote (about Medicare for all): I am tired of freeloaders

She has gotten disgusting.

[YouDig]

129. Wow, she made a joke about the NYT paywall! Terrible!!!

[democrattotheend]

130. I do not know a single traditional "Berner" threatening to vote for Trump

The Bernie supporters who are telling pollsters they will vote for Trump are the people like my boyfriend and his friends who are libertarians but consider Bernie the least bad option of the remaining candidates. Some of them have told me they'd vote for Bernie over Trump, but Trump over Hillary. The liberal activists who are Bernie's diehard supporters are not going to vote for Trump. Maybe some of us will vote third-party*, but none of us would ever vote for Trump.

* Most of us who are considering casting protest votes live in very blue or very red states. I have only encountered a few DUers and no offline Bernie supporters who live in swing states and plan to throw their votes away and enable Trump.

[seabeyond]

131. WTF evah. Kick 'em to the curb. Nt

[Sky Masterson]

143. I guess we are all required by law to vote for Clinton

Well shit.
I thought we had a choice and could vote for who we wanted to.
Didn't know that since I believe she is the worst possible candidate we could run at this point that
I should still get up off of my couch and stand in line to vote for her just to watch her lose.
I might have better things to do than pull the trigger for the lesser of two disasters.