Did Sanders really put forward a team consisting of eighty percent men to influence the platform?

[NCTraveler]

Does he have any thoughts in changing this or is it final?

Women are a huge part of the parties base, we are underrepresented in every single area of government, and his team is eighty percent men?

[brush]

1. Yeah, I noticed that too. Hillary split her selections 50/50, 3 women, 3 men

And Sanders took a swipe at the President and the AAs with appointing West.

He apparently didn't learn anything from all the black votes he lost with Obama-hating West as a surrogate.

[HumanityExperiment]

2. ...

does progressive / liberal ideology have gender? interesting that HRC supporter is trying to inject one...

any thoughts in changing this or is it final?

[NCTraveler]

5. I have zero thoughts on changing the fact that we are fighting for equal representation.

I understand that isn't a concern of yours. Bet you didn't even come close to that comment when we were discussing Fergusons representation.

[HumanityExperiment]

11. ...

my 'concern' is to the facts... like the striking ones you avoided

proof here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512041238#post6

care to try again?

[NCTraveler]

12. Your concern should be to the facts.

Eighty percent of his picks to influence the parties platform are men. That is a fact. Sorry you find that to be acceptable representation.

[HumanityExperiment]

18. ...

facts.... yes those, let's see how you reply to this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512041238#post15

[NCTraveler]

37. What a strange post you have here.

Then again, trying to justify what you are doing on a progressive board is going to leave some of your posts with the appearance of the lights being out.

[sufrommich]

3. Women are the majority of the democratic base.nt

[Larkspur]

4. This is an example of HRC supporter bias and why HRC can't unite the party

Bias attitudes, like this, contribute to the party disunity.

The choices Sanders made to the platform committee are prominent progressive voices. Just because they are men, does not mean that they have little value.

[NCTraveler]

7. Women should be represented at all levels in the party.

I'm sorry you don't agree with that.

[Chan790]

52. So should blacks, Native Americans, Arabs, environmentalists and Muslims.

I'm sorry you don't agree with that.

[AzDar]

9. Right? Appointing someone based on gender is, well... SEXIST. But really, they have NOTHING else...

[JonLeibowitz]

6. His picks included 1 Muslim, 2 black men, 1 woman Native American.

(ETA: He also included a Lebanese Arab)

But you did indeed find one metric to criticize him on 'diversity'.

Have you considered that he couldn't find people who ticked off all your boxes who share his bold vision?

[NCTraveler]

8. Eighty percent men. Great job on representation. nt.

[Bonobo]

13. There were no people with disabilities either.

What were the heights of the choices? Are short people represented? How about left handed people? They make up almost half the electorate too!

[NCTraveler]

17. You are comparing equal representation for women with left handers.

That is sick.

[Bonobo]

21. I am pointing out that there are a near infinite number of ways to divide people up. nt

[pmorlan1]

43. No

what Hillary supporters in this thread are doing is sick. The twisted meme that Bernie is sexist has been pushed during this entire campaign just to benefit your candidate and it fools no one except some Clinton supporters. It would be laughable if it wasn't so destructive to all the work that so many of us women have done for equal rights over the years. This is what I think of your campaign tactic -

[Chan790]

56. The funny part for me.

Is and remains that Hillary continues to belie her biases in her criticisms of Sanders. Oh no, he appointed 80% men...she appointed 3 upper-class Caucasian women who all attended Ivy League schools, once again reinforcing that Hillary's concern for women is anti-intersectional and only concerned with women who look like her and come from similar backgrounds.

If I was Alicia Reece, I'd be strongly considering rejecting my appointment as the token black middle-class female who didn't attend an Ivy.

[pmorlan1]

58. Thank you

Good observation.

[JonLeibowitz]

16. Oh I forgot! He also appointed a Lebanese Arab! My bad!

[Bonobo]

10. Thank you, you beat me to it. Its really unbelievable.

Wasserman picks a man but that can be overlooked I guess.

What happened to the Sanders is the enemy of POC meme?

[NCTraveler]

14. Wasserman picked a man?

Can you tell me the rest of her picks?

[Bonobo]

19. "Rep. Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland,

"who will chair the committee, was named by Wasserman Schultz. "

[HumanityExperiment]

15. ...

odd that 'gender' lens is only pointed Bernie's way... have you dissected HRC's gender representation within her campaign?

Please provide comparative analysis, let's see how far your intellectual honesty goes shall we?

[NCTraveler]

23. We have absolutley discussed gender representation within the Clinton campaign.

Many times.

My intellectual honesty doesn't leave me attempting to justify placing eighty percent men to work on the party platform. That's on you and what you are doing here. Even as far as to deflect about something that has been widely discussed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1532173

[Bonobo]

26. You're just looking for stuff to throw.

If he hadn't picked enough POC, THAT would be what you throw.

[NCTraveler]

29. Continue dismissing the massive disparity from Sanders campaign.

Deflect however you want. Eighty percent men.

[HumanityExperiment]

31. ...

odd.. you didn't include it here when a comparative to what you posted would be warranted...

...'My intellectual honesty doesn't leave me'... yeah, it's left ya... otherwise you'd have included it in this initial post

my 'deflection' is to get you back to the truth, odd that you replied but didn't add the facts concerning the comparative to HRC female demographics....

[NCTraveler]

35. So now that you have been shown the truth, you turn a blind eye because it didn't meet....

your timeframe? That is one of the best arguments I have ever seen here.

Please correct a number of your sentences to make them legible.

[HumanityExperiment]

46. ...

pivot..pivot..pivot...

'shown the truth'? I'm still waiting on your comparative demographics... I get that you'd avoid posting the factual details as it would up-end your initial post....

the only 'blind eye' is yours, but then again, well... HRC supporters make me laugh... thx for the comedic distraction of the day..

[JonLeibowitz]

20. why no LGBT representatives? Does he hate LGBT people?

[Bonobo]

24. OMG that's sick!

Are you comparing LGBT to equal representation for women!!!

[JonLeibowitz]

32. Oops! You got me!

[NCTraveler]

28. West is on record as saying AA's have been sent to the back of the bus....

as the party fights for the rights of LGBQT.

[Bonobo]

30. Why didn't Debbie pick a qualified woman to head the committee? nt

[NCTraveler]

36. I really don't know.

Who were her picks? All of them. Were eighty percent men?

[JonLeibowitz]

39. She picked a woman to head the party (HRC).

[Arazi]

34. No Latinos either. He must hate Latinos and doesn't want their vote

[Bonobo]

38. Sick!! nt

[Bonobo]

40. What about Asians?

Sick!

[Arazi]

45. Right!

He must hate them too

[Orsino]

22. I was waiting for this shoe to drop. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

25. That guy who wrote of rape fantasies and who pushed his wife away from "his" podium? Him?

Not to worry. His Bros know best.

[lunamagica]

53. Don't forget boys having tho endure "an old b*tch of a teacher"

[Surya Gayatri]

54. Oh, yeah, he's an educational expert as well. Forgot about that.

[Armstead]

61. That's a deranged comment...Jane Sanders is not one to be "pushed from the podium" and....

Bernie would not do such a thing.

Bernie may have written about rape fantasies, but there';'s no evidence he engaged in sexually exploitative behavior....unlike one former President I could mention

[cali]

62. That essay,poorly expressed as it was, wasn't about rape fantasies

it was about gender roles.

[Armstead]

63. I know, but there's so much nonsense out there....

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. If you can't be divisive enough using race as an issue... use gender.

Got it.

[NCTraveler]

33. So you find that to be positive representation for women when making the party platform?

Did you find Fergusons county commission equally as representative of their constituency?

That is exactly the direction you are going.

[forjusticethunders]

47. "talking about race and gender is divisive"

go back to reddit and get that "progressive" out of your name

[JonLeibowitz]

49. Since you are occupying land taken from cherokeeprogressive's ancestors, maybe don't instruct them?

[Arazi]

60. You're here 4 mths and tell CP, member since 2005, to "go back to reddit"

and remove the "progressive" from his name.



This latest influx of newbies are just lovely

[Eric J in MN]

41. Did Sanders put forward a team of eighty percent non-whites to influence the platform? Yes. (NT)

NT

[cali]

42. I care about the she individuals he put up more than i care about their gender

He put up people who best represent the issues he has focused on.

Name me anyone, make or female who is more renowned or has been more effective, on the issue of climate change than Bill McKibben. Don't bother, there isn't one.

James Zogby is far and away the best choice on Palestinian issues because he's known and respected in democratic circles.

I do think he could have chosen Nina Turner instead of Dr. West. West inevitably becomes a big distraction.

[JonLeibowitz]

48. To your point about the positions the committee members take on issues.....

pretty sure Sanders didn't appoint someone who seriously suggested this:

[JRLeft]

44. One of Hillary's picks is extremely bad. Neera Tanden is awful.

[Chan790]

50. I prefer to look at it as...

he put forward a Native American, an environmentalist, one of America's foremost black intellectuals, an Arab-American activist who has actually worked for peace in Israel and Palestine, and a black Muslim.

What do all these constituencies have in common?

They're all more underrepresented in our government than women are.

[Hortensis]

57. Half of all are women. Women

are the largest "minority group" still, and minority women the most underpaid in the nation.

But I view his 5 choices the way you do anyway.

[AgingAmerican]

51. More phony outrage

[Armstead]

55. Most of them deserve to be chosen on their merits

Sanders' appointees to the 15-member Platform Drafting Committee include: racial justice activist and scholar Dr. Cornel West, 350.org co-founder and noted environmentalist Bill McKibben, Native American activist Deborah Parker, Progressive Caucus co-chair Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), and James Zogby, a pro-Palestinian scholar as well as founder and president of the Arab American Institute (AAI).

Keith Ellison has been a tireless supporter, is the only Muslim member of Congress and an AA.

Perhaps no one but Al Gore has had a more significant role that Bill McKibben in raising awareness of Climate Change and the need to move in a more sustainable direction.

If one wants a more balanced view of our policies to the Israel Palestine issue, and an advocate for the Arab American community, Zogby is a respected figure.

Don't know much about Deborah Parker but sounds impressive and was selected as a White House "Champion for Change" https://www.whitehouse.gov/champions/civic-hacking-and-open-government/deborah-parker

Cornell West -- Personally I think "Meh" but he is certainly accomplished.

[TheBlackAdder]

59. First-Wave Feminism of the 70s, pick by gender; Current Third-Wave Feminism, pick by qualifications.

.


You're living in the past there.


.

[riderinthestorm]

64. +10000 nt

[PufPuf23]

65. Don't spin this please. The pool of Democrats, progressives and liberals that are the high profile

professionals from various sectors considered potential committee appointments is far more male than female at present.

I have no idea of the actual percents, but the proportion of high profile professionals from various sectors of the appointee pool is most certainly more male than female just like the upper level personnel of Congress, most universities, most non-profits, practicing senior attorneys, government at all levels, law enforcement, etc.

The proportion of such females has increased and the proportion of male with similar qualifications and experience has greatly decreased over the last 40 years but is still far from 50%-50% parity. One could argue that, because of child-bearing and other factors including willingness, woman may never reach the 50%-50% parity even if a wanted and worthy social goal.

I would argue that for pragmatic, egalitarian, and representation of women reasons, woman should and are likely to be appointed in excess of their proportion of the appointee pool but overall males would remain the majority of appointments because of the math.

The Democratic party is most certainly greater than 50% female in registered party members and active voters, the party base.

My response to this OP is my opinion and perception in general.

From the above regarding the male-female ratio in the committee candidate pool:

(1) A candidate that makes appointments at a 50%-50% is biased in trading off average qualification and is biased in favor of women from the appointee pool.

(2) Where a majority of males are appointed and a significant and more than the proportion occurrence in the appointee pool of women is where we want to be at most pragmatic.

(3) Where the proportion of women appointees is less than the proportion of women in the appointee pool , is biased in favor of males and historic male dominance.