Hillary Clinton Refuses to Debate Bernie Sanders in California After Agreeing to It

[Gregorian]

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[highprincipleswork]

1. This country has no moral authority anymore when its representatives can't even keep their word.

[d_legendary1]

2. And she's the front runner

According to her supporters Americans love being lied to.

[fleabiscuit]

3. Well the primary is already a done deal. Time to get in GE mode. eom

[highprincipleswork]

5. I am in GE mood. I've always been in GE mood. And I believe that voicing what principles are best

for the Democratic Party and for the campaign in general is plenty GE mood enough.

If it isn't, then enjoy your "head in the sand" party. It won't last long, because reality actually has a 360 degree point of view.

[anotherproletariat]

9. She didn't break her word. It is common sense that if the race is over, no debate is necessary.

And, the race is over. Really. Anyone who tells you otherwise just wants your money or is lying to you for their own benefit.

[highprincipleswork]

10. The race isn't over. Your side pretends to be the reality and the math people, but mostly

you really just deal in propaganda.

And what your side call "common sense", I wouldn't want any of it.

I predict you're going to continue to experience a severe reality sandwich for some time now.

[anotherproletariat]

11. You do realize that Sanders already conceded, right?

By accepting fewer platform committee positions than Clinton, he admitted that he had lost, and that as the second place finisher, he didn't deserve the same number of committee appointments as the winner. If he truly thought that he was going to get the nomination, he would not have accepted this deal.

[highprincipleswork]

12. That's an assumption and false conclusion on your part, and I don't go for assumptions.

[anotherproletariat]

13. So, he didn't agree to less platform committe members than Hillary gets? nt

[highprincipleswork]

14. He did, because that's what he can get at this point in time, and it's a wise choice, get your dibs

in before DWS finishes all her planning touches, just in case.

But if and when Bernie does well in the upcoming races, particularly California, that obviously becomes moot. Get serious.

[annavictorious]

30. You don't appear to go for reality either.

The race is over. It's delusional to think otherwise.

We understand that the Sanders side is going to stomp its feet and break stuff, and that the ever positive and uplifting Bernie is going to continue to assert his embittered entitlement.

But he still won't be given a nomination that he didn't win.

[AgingAmerican]

32. The race is over when one side gets enough delegates to secure the nomination

And that hasn't happened yet.

[highprincipleswork]

35. No the race is not over. Your reality is false starting with

your allegiance to a regressive candidate under FBI investigation.

but as to the facts, nobody has enough pledged delegates, the race continues, and we will fight to the end, probably the convention.

If I were to make assumptions like you do i'd just say your cocksureness masks insecurity.

And if you don't wish to compete in the rest of the states, I'm all for it.

[catnhatnh]

16. You can't cover for a lie with a falsehood, or even a series of them...

and after posting this drivel it takes balls to close with "lying to you for their own benefit."

[MineralMan]

4. Yes. Yes, she did.

Smart woman, our presumptive presidential nominee.

[catnhatnh]

17. At one time I felt some respect for you

[MineralMan]

18. Thanks!

[NWCorona]

19. Come on now. I know you see both sides to this. I know I do.

[MineralMan]

20. Of course I do.

There is no reason for another debate. Primary season is over, really. Hillary won. End of story. The final elections will be held and the votes counted. She will still be the nominee. Time to move on to battle Trump.

Sorry, but beating dead horses has never been a hobby of mine.

[NWCorona]

21. But there is a reason. Hillary gave her word to do three more

Debates in exchange for Bernie doing one.

I understand Hillary's desire not to debate. From a narrow perspective it would seem that nothing good will come of it. But the flip side is the optics of not going before the biggest state in the nation when you said you would.

I happen to think she will end up debating Bernie.

[MineralMan]

23. Either way the results will be the same.

June 14. Hasten the day!

[NWCorona]

24. That may be but like I said, beware of the optics

[MineralMan]

29. It's a different set of lenses during the GE.

Different optic matter. This won't even be seen, frankly.

[NWCorona]

34. I disagree and think it will actually be used against her in the GE if not sooner.

[Corporate666]

25. The perspective is not a narrow one

She has nothing to gain by debating Bernie. Bernie is like a cornered rat and would be going for the jugular. It would be impossible for her not to get any of the shit he will sling on her.

Debates are not events where voters get to learn about the candidates and their positions. They are showboating events where each candidate hopes to get the last word, the last laugh and to make the other one look bad.

If HRC wins the debate resoundingly, it just makes her look like a bully for smacking down the old guy when he's already lost.

If she holds back, then she sits there and takes an hour or two of Bernie throwing everything he can at her and she looks weak.

If she loses the debate, she still wins the nomination but it gives more ammo to the Bernistas who will harden their resolve not to vote for her.

There's just nothing whatsoever in it for her, or for the party, or for her role in the GE.

That she agreed to do it is the only reason to do it. And not to use childish equivalence but to illustrate a point, Bernie said he wasn't going to run a negative campaign, but plenty of negative stuff has come out from his camp, especially in recent weeks.

Bottom line is that you do what you have to do so that you win. She shouldn't jeaopardize her shot in the GE just to fulfill a promise to someone who also has nothing to gain from it.

[NWCorona]

26. I stopped reading when you compared Bernie to a rat.

[Corporate666]

28. Don't clutch your pearls too hard - you'll break them!

I realize the BS supporters have had to devise various methods to shield themselves from the reality of how large a margin he is losing this election by, but as they say... "you can take it little by little, or all at once".

D-Day is 2 weeks away. I advise working to move past the first stage of grief.... denial.

[Surya Gayatri]

6. Excellent decision. Waste of time and energy to hear the Bern's dead-horse speech verbatim again.

Useless, boring.

[workinclasszero]

7. Its GE time

It would be stupid to debate the loser of the primary.

Oh and FO fox "news" as well.

[Blue_Tires]

8. Probably because she doesn't need to, so why should she?

She has a sizeable lead, and is ahead of Sanders in the Calif. polls...

Another debate can only *hurt* her at this point.

[arcane1]

27. Exactly, more people might learn the truth about her.

We can't have THAT!

[Blue_Tires]

36. I'm thinking most people have long since made up their minds about HRC

and that's not changing with a hundred more debates...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. FOX can have a second place debate between Ted Cruz and Bernie.

[Tarc]

37. That's a pretty good idea, it'd be like the 3rd-place match at the World Cup

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Like a Mr. Congeniality Prize.

I will refrain from answering who should be the winner on the grounds my answer might incriminate me.

[seabeyond]

22. Good for her. Site on GE, not the person that already lost. Or Fox news. I am glad she did this.

[BuelahWitch]

39. Wow, word salad more unintelligible than Palin!

Bravo! Bravo!

[LAS14]

31. She NEVER agreed to a Fox debate.

She stays away from Fox and gets credit for good sense in doing that.

[AzDar]

33. #HillarySoShady

[B Calm]

40. Only one word comes to mind, COWARD!

[Beacool]

41. IMO, I think that Hillary would have agreed to another debate if Sanders had shown some grace.

He continues to go after her, the DNC and asked for a recount in KY. If Sanders had pivoted to attacking Trump and toned down his attacks on her, she probably would have debated him again. Add to that what happened in NV and Sanders' assertion that the convention is going to be "messy". At this point, I don't think that Sanders has won many brownie points with Hillary and the DNC.