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That's wonderful! Ned_Devine May 2016 #1
What a lot of work you did to create that! MineralMan May 2016 #2
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I hope Trump pays well at least workinclasszero May 2016 #3
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Ah yes. Because real Dems only back Clinton. JudyM May 2016 #8
I don't think that's a proper flow chart. Hillary Venn diagram was similar though. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #5
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I like it. A lot of good stuff there. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #70
Already been done, as is the primary. fleabiscuit May 2016 #9
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Now that there is funny. Real funny. (Hahahaha in HRC tone) floriduck May 2016 #51
Under Who can beat tRump, on her side you might add investigations under the polling numbers. JudyM May 2016 #10
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Not a sir. But carry on. JudyM May 2016 #16
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Of course, no prob! JudyM May 2016 #21
Eh, yes, not original thinking Dem2 May 2016 #11
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I didn't say you were wrong Dem2 May 2016 #44
Just for starters, she was never CEO of Walmart. Fla Dem May 2016 #72
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Congratulations. You pass the DU BS supporter talking points test. nt BootinUp May 2016 #12
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Sanders... JudyM May 2016 #18
THose are his initials. Makes the subject line shorter. BootinUp May 2016 #22
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Interesting to recast facts as talking points mindwalker_i May 2016 #27
What a strong case you and the OP make I'm SOLD /sarcasm BootinUp May 2016 #30
A strong case can't overcome adulation and belief mindwalker_i May 2016 #31
This is pointless, enjoy your "facts". nt BootinUp May 2016 #33
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Pay more attention to threads from HRC supporters. nt BootinUp May 2016 #41
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Upset are you? It is clear to me from the OP BootinUp May 2016 #47
She has used her government position to put herself into the 1%. Skwmom May 2016 #20
decision points should be diamonds and "there" should be "their" in point 5 of sanders first... yawnmaster May 2016 #23
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K&R for good visual aids felix_numinous May 2016 #24
The Republicans are really pushing this mindset. Chemisse May 2016 #26
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You'll get real change with a Bernie write-in, alright. Trump. Chemisse May 2016 #48
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The General "electron"? mindwalker_i May 2016 #29
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Hillary was a republican a while back - a Goldwater Girl mindwalker_i May 2016 #46
What is a "general electron"? KingFlorez May 2016 #34
I stole it... fleabiscuit May 2016 #35
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Voting STATIS? What's that? MoonRiver May 2016 #61
He pays his taxes without a scandal? PROVE IT. nt Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #39
That's gotta bern, might leave a mark. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #42
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Lame excuse Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #60
I'm impressed that you were able to cram that much bullshit into so many small blocks Tarc May 2016 #43
Lol! n/t Chemisse May 2016 #49
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The purpose of this is pretty obvious. Hav May 2016 #50
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Great job! oldandhappy May 2016 #52
Really good chart larkrake May 2016 #56
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Sad that you're going negative for the "General electron." nt msanthrope May 2016 #53
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You positively aren't a DUer until you respond, pun-in-kind. nt msanthrope May 2016 #67
"I have sit back and watched?" MoonRiver May 2016 #62
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You are clear as day, dear. No mystery here. MoonRiver May 2016 #66
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Hey Machineland please post this OP in the Bernie Sanders group Autumn May 2016 #64
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I'm no Clinton fan, but it's clear to me that Trump would be more detrimental to the country. Jim Lane May 2016 #71
Nicely stated. I'm in the same position... VOX May 2016 #73
 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
1. That's wonderful!
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

MineralMan

(151,269 posts)
2. What a lot of work you did to create that!
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

Too bad it was for naught.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
3. I hope Trump pays well at least
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

Into the trash with this garbage

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
8. Ah yes. Because real Dems only back Clinton.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
5. I don't think that's a proper flow chart. Hillary Venn diagram was similar though.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #5)

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
70. I like it. A lot of good stuff there.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
9. Already been done, as is the primary.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #9)

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
51. Now that there is funny. Real funny. (Hahahaha in HRC tone)
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
10. Under Who can beat tRump, on her side you might add investigations under the polling numbers.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

Also favorability and independents.

You might want to remove ' who would be better for the country' from the electability box and stand it in its own box next to the who can beat tRump box, too.

I like it. Very clear.

Response to JudyM (Reply #10)

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
16. Not a sir. But carry on.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:19 PM
May 2016

Response to JudyM (Reply #16)

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
21. Of course, no prob!
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
11. Eh, yes, not original thinking
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

it's generic anti-Clinton cherry picking - we've seen it all 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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00000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times, sorry.

Response to Dem2 (Reply #11)

Dem2

(8,178 posts)
44. I didn't say you were wrong
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

I said you are cherry picking data because you have an issue with confirmation bias.

Fla Dem

(27,633 posts)
72. Just for starters, she was never CEO of Walmart.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

If you got this simple fact wrong, the rest is also suspect.

Response to Dem2 (Reply #11)

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
12. Congratulations. You pass the DU BS supporter talking points test. nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:16 PM
May 2016

Response to BootinUp (Reply #12)

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
18. Sanders...
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
22. THose are his initials. Makes the subject line shorter.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

Response to BootinUp (Reply #22)

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
27. Interesting to recast facts as talking points
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

Makes them a whole lot easier to ignore, I suppose.

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
30. What a strong case you and the OP make I'm SOLD /sarcasm
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
31. A strong case can't overcome adulation and belief
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

Somehow, facts and reality will never make a dent, hence they're recast as talking points.

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
33. This is pointless, enjoy your "facts". nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

Response to BootinUp (Reply #33)

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
41. Pay more attention to threads from HRC supporters. nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

Response to BootinUp (Reply #41)

BootinUp

(51,325 posts)
47. Upset are you? It is clear to me from the OP
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

that he/she would benefit from taking a broader look. Hurl all the bathroom level insults you want. That definitely doesn't impress me.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
20. She has used her government position to put herself into the 1%.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
23. decision points should be diamonds and "there" should be "their" in point 5 of sanders first...
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

rectangle. End points are generally circles or ovals, not diamonds, as they are decision points.
In addition the flowchart runs into a single rectangle (decision point) labeled who will beat Trump...
In this case you don't even need the first informational rectangles of the flow chart.
You could just start in that rectangle. The rectangles immediately following the "who will beat Trump" decision point should be part of the decision point.
According to this, somewhat different, flowchart, since the decision is made on whom to vote for by whether they will beat trump or not. You don't need all that extra information prior to that.
If one just wants to put out bullet points for the candidates, that is fine, but a flow chart really isn't a great place to do that.

Response to yawnmaster (Reply #23)

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
24. K&R for good visual aids
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

we need more visual aides around here I always made quantum leaps in understanding in school when seeing the diagrams.

Welcome Machineland

Chemisse

(31,348 posts)
26. The Republicans are really pushing this mindset.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

They would love it if all Bernie supporters would write his name in in the GE.

Response to Chemisse (Reply #26)

Chemisse

(31,348 posts)
48. You'll get real change with a Bernie write-in, alright. Trump.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

Why would you push that action - with its obvious result - on a Democratic web site?

Response to Chemisse (Reply #48)

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
29. The General "electron"?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

Damn, that's a lot of negativity!

However, you forgot the all-important reason to vote for Hillary: She's The Democrat (tm)! Bernie is an independent, even though he's registered democrat now. And shut up about Hillary being a republican! That was a while ago.

Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #29)

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
46. Hillary was a republican a while back - a Goldwater Girl
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

The Hillary acolytes love to point out how Sanders was independent but never touch Hillary being a republican.

Don't worry, I'm right there with you. my reply above was meant to be somwhat sarcastic about how Hillary is The Democrat (tm).

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
34. What is a "general electron"?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
35. I stole it...
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/735152840260358145

The system is rigged in favor of the candidate who's won 3 million more votes. Unbelievable.

Response to fleabiscuit (Reply #35)

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
61. Voting STATIS? What's that?
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016
 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
39. He pays his taxes without a scandal? PROVE IT. nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:54 PM
May 2016

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
42. That's gotta bern, might leave a mark. n/t
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #39)

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
60. Lame excuse
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Another Trump similarity.

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
43. I'm impressed that you were able to cram that much bullshit into so many small blocks
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

"Will the establishment let Bernie run for president?" was a true charmer...

Chemisse

(31,348 posts)
49. Lol! n/t
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

Response to Tarc (Reply #43)

Hav

(5,969 posts)
50. The purpose of this is pretty obvious.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

Insinuating that Hillary might be worse than Trump and that one should write in Bernie Sanders if he doesn't win the nomination is clearly not in the spirit of this forum. Stressing that one should still write him in even if he would ask his supporters to vote for the Democratic candidate is done deliberately because should Bernie lose, he will definitely support Hillary.
Look, nothing wrong with being passionate about the candidate you support and absolutely nothing wrong with Bernie continueing to fight until the last voter had his say. But come on, we should be able to see when we are being played.

Response to Hav (Reply #50)

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
52. Great job!
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

I even read it! Lots of times I just scan stuff. I do not know how hard it is to do that but I am impressed. Nice. Looks as if you are getting clobbered, never mind. Tis the season. Congratulations on your family and business.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
56. Really good chart
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

Response to oldandhappy (Reply #52)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
53. Sad that you're going negative for the "General electron." nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

Response to msanthrope (Reply #53)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
67. You positively aren't a DUer until you respond, pun-in-kind. nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
62. "I have sit back and watched?"
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

You need an English class.

Response to MoonRiver (Reply #62)

MoonRiver

(36,975 posts)
66. You are clear as day, dear. No mystery here.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

Response to MoonRiver (Reply #66)

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
64. Hey Machineland please post this OP in the Bernie Sanders group
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Response to Autumn (Reply #64)

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
71. I'm no Clinton fan, but it's clear to me that Trump would be more detrimental to the country.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

I completely agree with you in supporting Bernie for the nomination, both because he would be a better President and because he would be a stronger candidate against Trump.

You go on, however, to address the separate question of how to vote in the general election if it's Clinton versus Trump. In your "If I vote for Hillary" box, I agree with most of the criticisms but I see no point on which Clinton is worse than Trump. (As a comparatively minor correction, Clinton was on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart but was never CEO.) In addition, Trump would willingly sign all kinds of horrible bills that Congress sent him. (A Trump win would probably mean continued Republican control of the Senate. Even if the Democrats took a narrow majority, they would probably lose it in 2018, and until then there would be plenty of bad bills that got through with a few conservaDem votes.) He would issue all kinds of bad executive orders, such as reinstating the global gag rule (reproductive rights) and rescinding much of the good that Obama's done through executive orders. I shudder to think about how he would staff the executive branch, in the appointive positions, and that of course reminds one of the ultimate hold-your-nose-and-vote-for-Clinton trump card, the Supreme Court and other federal courts.

If Clinton becomes President, I expect to disagree with a lot of what she does, but she wouldn't be nearly as bad as Trump would be.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
73. Nicely stated. I'm in the same position...
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

Sounds flaky, but I'm voting for Sanders in the upcoming CA primary while getting used to the idea of supporting Clinton in the general, if that's how things shake out. Regardless, a Trump presidency is a horrible thing to contemplate for this country and the world. He'll always be a very loose cannon, petty, belligerent, uninformed and yes, dangerous. The proto-fascist Trump must be defeated.

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