New York Times: Hillary voters are more likely to support progressive policies than Bernie voters

[Cali_Democrat]

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In a survey conducted for the American National Election Studies in late January, supporters of Mr. Sanders...were less likely than Mrs. Clinton’s supporters to favor concrete policies that Mr. Sanders has offered...including a higher minimum wage, increasing government spending on health care and an expansion of government services financed by higher taxes.

....Mr. Sanders has drawn enthusiastic support from young people, a common pattern for outsider candidates. But here, too...the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues — even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html?src=me&_r=1

[morningfog]

1. They backed the wrong candidate.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

8. No, they backed the candidate most likely to be able to implement progressive policies.

Remember that Sanders is running a campaign based on making vast promises he would be totally unable to deliver; his widely-trumpeted reputation for honesty is wholly specious. The candidate who has the best chance of actually being able to get left-wing policies implemented is Clinton.

[TheBlackAdder]

32. What? Only if that "Progressive Policy" is prefixed with... PRAGMATIC _____?_____

[Baobab]

40. Hillary isnt a progressive she is a regressive. She wants us to go backwards.

Thats what her much loved trade deals do, they give away policy space and hobble democratic rule.

They keep trotting them out and they keep getting more and more outrageous.. Then they are rejected and they hide them, give them another name and trot the same bad rejected ideas out and try to pass it again.

MAI, FTAA, ...

We need a law against them.

[pmorlan1]

2. You're late...already posted today

This opinion piece was already debunked earlier today.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Who are you? The resident board nanny? nt

[pmorlan1]

7. LOL

That's Ms Resident Board Nanny to you, thank you very much.

[AgingAmerican]

10. Reacting to the reaction = drama

[TheBlackAdder]

33. You didn't have to know this was an Onion piece, to smell its complete bullshit.

[Eric J in MN]

4. An Internet poll, done in January,

...which the pollsters called a "pilot study."

The poll results aren't available to the general public. The authors of that op-ed didn't bother to share the results. Or maybe they couldn't because the results are only for subscribers to the pollster. Anyway, citing a poll with secret numbers isn't much.

[Kall]

29. Looks like a bulletproof case to me...

[berniebroski]

5. Corporate propaganda

More Establishment propaganda for Wall Street Hillary. I cant believe Im going to say this, but on some policies (foreign policy for example) Hillary is RIGHT of Trump. Sorry, not going to fool me.

[kstewart33]

16. Don't like the message, attack the messenger as 'corporate.'

The meme of the Bernie campaign.

Along with 'the system is rigged.'

[berniebroski]

25. what is her message?

Saber rattle in the Middle East? Make millions from the banks giving speeches and pretend you can be impartial in office? There is a reason some Republicans think she is preferable to Trump. Neocon William Kristol for example prefers her. Why? Interventionist foreign policy. Fact.

[panader0]

6. Patently ridiculous

[AgingAmerican]

9. By what we have seen here, her supporters back right wing policies

[BootinUp]

12. Do you ever try to back up your claims?

In this case, for example, you could at least indicate what we have said that you call right wing. I won't hold my breath.

[AgingAmerican]

31. Sure

Here is one now: If Bernie bans fracking, will he take responsibility when price of oil goes right back up?

I can post many, many more if you wish...

[BootinUp]

34. Good, lets take that one

First, Hillary doesn't argue against a fracking ban. Neither do I. We accept the reality that running on a fracking ban in a GE would not be seen as being RW. Quite to the contrary, it would be seen as an environmentalist lefty position.

What Hillary proposes is for protecting our environment and she has a strong plan for that, that will do well in a GE. She proposes increased regulations on energy production like fracking and more. She and her plan have been endorsed by:

The League of Conservation Voters one of the leading environmental protection groups.

Her Issues page on Climate Change and the Environment and Clean Energy

[AgingAmerican]

38. Her supporters shovel right wing manure

Read the OP and the responses, then get back to us.

[BootinUp]

41. I see, so that thread is supposed to make your case

from 2 1/2 months ago, where people defended her non-position on a fracking ban.

[AgingAmerican]

44. So she has no position on another no brainer issue?

Shocked?

Her supporters catapult the right wing.

[BootinUp]

45. Its not a no-brainer though. It is a method that requires strong regulation

http://www.gallup.com/poll/182075/americans-split-support-fracking-oil-natural-gas.aspx

[AgingAmerican]

46. It's a no brainer from an environmentalism stand point

Or for anybody with an internal belief system.

[BootinUp]

47. So, you will admit that its a controversial political issue, not a no-brainer. nt

[AgingAmerican]

48. There is no controversy in the Democratic party

It's a no brainer.

Still, she refuses to take a stand which means she takes the Republican position.

[BootinUp]

49. The Republicans are for removing fracking bans, reducing regulation etc.

That is not her position. So you are wrong.

[AgingAmerican]

50. When Hillary refuses to take a stance

iT'S a sure sign she takes the GOP position on that issue.

[BootinUp]

52. I assure you it will be clear in the GE that they don't like her positions on

the environment and energy production regulations.

[Ferd Berfel]

11. Can you just taste the Orwell in the Air

You mean "progressive" policies like

Fracking?
TPP?
NAFTA?
GMO's?
Unlimited bribery in Washington?
Corporate Health care rather than Single Payer?

[oberliner]

13. Hillary opposes all of those things

She is in agreement with Bernie on those issues.

[Broward]

18. Are you a low information voter?

[oberliner]

19. No

Are you not aware that she is opposing TPP, even though Obama is pushing for it aggressively?

[JRLeft]

24. You believe her?

😂😂😂😂😂

[Fumesucker]

28. Why would Hillary oppose the "Gold Standard" in trade deals?

[oberliner]

30. The TPP was still under negotiation when she made that remark

The deal was only finalized this year.

She is on record as not supporting the TPP.

[vintx]

42. Citation old?

Just FTR tho she's on the record on both sides of more than a few important issues.

Which is why few people find her trustworthy

[JRLeft]

14. This poll disproves that poll.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/17/clinton-sanders-supporters-differ-sharply-on-u-s-global-role/

[oberliner]

20. No it doesn't

In fact, the two polls cover completely different questions.

[JRLeft]

21. In a way it does Hillary supporters are neoconservatives.

Bernie supporters are more progressive. Hell her supporters never engage in policy discussion it's always I'm with her.

[Eric J in MN]

23. Good point.

And that poll had numbers we can see, unlike the poll cited in the NYT op-ed.

[Skwmom]

15. Tabloids are more believable than the Clinton Times. I don't even read it.

[JRLeft]

22. The corporate media lives in a bubble and is trying to change the narrative.

[seabeyond]

17. Libertarians and bagger, white middle class, and men. Universtiy Youth, having their needs met

by the parents.

Yes, Clinton people are more progressive.

[MariaThinks]

26. interesting fact.

[Mary Mac]

27. This explain s the West Virginia loss.

This explains the West Virginia loss.

[me b zola]

35. That is some wack-ass upside-down, inside-out freaking propaganda right there

Just. Fucking. Stop.

[SidDithers]

36. Well this is awkward...nt

Sid

[Odin2005]

37. We've always been at war with Eastasia, too!

[snowy owl]

39. Total BS. In the end, authors say "loyalty,party affiliation" is all. Read comments section. Swill.

Only 39 comments and Times closed comments. Tells all.

[vintx]

43. LMAO!

That's a good one!

[AzDar]

51. Have Mercy!

[HassleCat]

53. Interesting phenomenon

Sanders might be to the left of his supporters, while Clinton may be to the right of her supporters. I'm not sure I believe the poll, but I can see how it's possible.