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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:29 PM May 2016

Neera Tanden should not be on the platform committee. It's a disgrace that Hillary appointed her.

She is sick of freeloaders getting health care. Compares it to a website paywall:




She says we should bomb countries, overthrow their governments, put them in debt, and force them to pay us back with oil.



She coddles and kisses ass of far right wing war mongers like Netanyahu. Lot of blood on a lot of hands.




Oh and this is nice: Neera Tanden helped kill the public option. During the health insurance debate she asked Hillary to step in and help "sell" a "less than public plan" to "the left".

From: Neera Tanden <ntanden Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 5:09 PM To: H Subject: option Hillary, Obviously, there's some blowback to this plan, but wanted to give you the context of where we've been. Again, everyone is hyper paranoid and crazy so all of this is between us. The leaks over the last few days have made everyone even crazier. Below is a somewhat negative story on them in the Times from a few months ago, but it will give you a flavor of the idea. There are few people who could sell even this version to the left. I know it may be annoying to save their bacon, but your voice on less than a public plan could uniquely help this situation. At least, that's my editorial comment. Let me know if this is along the lines you were thinking - and sorry it took me a bit longer than I had hoped. UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05764482 Date: 01/29/2016 Neera
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11950


Hillary's choice represents everything wrong with the Democratic Party today.

Meanwhile Bernie is taking hits from the Clinton liberals for nominating Cornel West. Dr. West may speak in a very crude way, but Hillary's choice is 1000 times more offensive.


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Neera Tanden should not be on the platform committee. It's a disgrace that Hillary appointed her. (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich May 2016 OP
But she is female AgingAmerican May 2016 #1
More Monsanto stuff - more health care for the rich and "normal" corporate workers only truedelphi May 2016 #7
sad, but true. DebDoo May 2016 #20
Rightwing elitist "female" senz May 2016 #41
that's exactly Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld's thinking with Iraq MisterP May 2016 #2
At least she didn't call President Obama "niggerized" KingFlorez May 2016 #3
I don't even know what "niggerized" means. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #4
Ask Cornell West KingFlorez May 2016 #5
Hillary appoints cronies who defend imperial war abroad and welfare cuts at home. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #8
The origin of the term actually is Piare Lal Sharma's "India Betrayed" in 1980 Scootaloo May 2016 #34
I'm gonna miss you and your 2 dozen daily anti-Clinton OPs. zappaman May 2016 #6
I'll bet old Frank would have been all in for Hillary! BillZBubb May 2016 #31
Nah, I don't think he liked her much. zappaman May 2016 #35
No, says way more about your priorities. You think actual public policy is a backburner concern TheKentuckian May 2016 #37
Hillary Is The Queen Of Poor Decisions... AzDar May 2016 #9
AzDar, you have a way with names! I have to say I really like "Our Lady of Poor Judgement" best! nt 2cannan May 2016 #16
Get used to it. Autumn May 2016 #10
Not likely. By the way Neera Tanden helped kill the public option Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #12
You see what they are doing here in CO with our Single Payer we've been working on. Autumn May 2016 #13
Never heard of Neera Tanden til now, but I like her Tarc May 2016 #11
You like what she said in the OP? Unbelievable. panader0 May 2016 #19
Goes to show... Chan790 May 2016 #23
you're good with her positions, are ya? 2banon May 2016 #60
Oh, I think Neera Tanden represents Hillary PERFECTLY. djean111 May 2016 #14
It's true. The real Hillary. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #17
She heads a strong progressive think tank. They do a lot of good work. seabeyond May 2016 #15
CAP *is* a strong progressive think tank. Chan790 May 2016 #24
Maybe, she is not what Sanders supporters make her out to be. At just a guess. seabeyond May 2016 #28
Which Think Tank is that, what's the name? 2banon May 2016 #61
It's the Center for American Progress Jim Lane May 2016 #62
Of Course! Thank You! 2banon May 2016 #65
When you lead your post by misrepresenting a joke made in 2011, wildeyed May 2016 #18
Yes 20 million uninsured people is an absolutely hilarious joke Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #25
A TWEET that was joke about the NYT paywall and the stinginess of GOP from 2011 wildeyed May 2016 #27
How can you even say it was a joke Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #33
Because it was a joke. wildeyed May 2016 #39
She is a joke but that wasn't a joke. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #43
No, see, your post was the joke. wildeyed May 2016 #46
Freeloaders. Referring to people who can't afford health insurance. Sickening. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #48
Nope. Joking. Beating up on the GOP and NYT is ok. wildeyed May 2016 #50
Nobody is calling that a joke except a few DU Clintonites Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #51
Then you have to prove that nobody is saying that. wildeyed May 2016 #54
LOL you first Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #55
Then I have to prove that someone DOES think it is a joke. wildeyed May 2016 #58
No shit? It was a joke? Instead of trying to unravel what the was about, I instead researched the seabeyond May 2016 #29
And they seem to be justifying the attack wildeyed May 2016 #30
Interesting. Thanks. Men are having tough time losing voice. And I don't care, lol. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #36
Why? She's a disgusting, privileged right wing bigot. That makes her a perfect selection to Doctor_J May 2016 #21
That talk should appeal to the Republicans... HooptieWagon May 2016 #22
Sanders was allowed to make his appointments. Hillary has the same right. Trust Buster May 2016 #26
"Sell it to the left". That's pathetic and so Hillary-esque. BillZBubb May 2016 #32
Glad you found someone you didn't want, since West is WhiteTara May 2016 #38
I seriously doubt he's offensive to ALL African Americans. Ken Burch May 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #45
She actually compares healthcare with reading the NYT online? Ken Burch May 2016 #40
Joke n/t wildeyed May 2016 #47
Didn't read that way. Ken Burch May 2016 #49
Nope, it was a joke. wildeyed May 2016 #52
Do you realize repeating something over and over doesn't make it true? Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #59
IKR? wildeyed May 2016 #64
BTW, her family was on welfare for a bit when she was a kid. wildeyed May 2016 #56
Romney hated the 47%; Camp Clinton hates the 99% amborin May 2016 #44
Seems OK to me. HassleCat May 2016 #53
I'm sure Bernie's 5 handpicked appointees can outvote her on any issue that comes up bluestateguy May 2016 #57
Bernie is getting 5 to Hillary's 10 so they'll not be outvoting anything Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #68
She was Obama's domestic policy director oberliner May 2016 #63
A lot of people like her. A lot of people don't. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #66
Fair enough oberliner May 2016 #67

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
7. More Monsanto stuff - more health care for the rich and "normal" corporate workers only
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

More war, more backroom deals that help out the Clinton's and their charity.

What's not to like? I am sure that Karl Rove is puzzled at how the Clintons are now Bushier than the Bushes!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
41. Rightwing elitist "female"
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

without an ounce of compassion.

Sounds like someone Hill would appoint.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
3. At least she didn't call President Obama "niggerized"
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

The fact that Sanders was okay appointing someone who talks like that says volumes about his moral character.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. I don't even know what "niggerized" means.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:36 PM
May 2016

Cornel West called Obama n*****ized? He called him the black puppet of wall street?

Liberal = a person more offended by bad words than they are by killing and maiming thousands of people.
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. Hillary appoints cronies who defend imperial war abroad and welfare cuts at home.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

Why are you defending that?


 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
34. The origin of the term actually is Piare Lal Sharma's "India Betrayed" in 1980
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

He uses the term to describe people who have been systemically dehumanized through the course of colonialism. "Niggerization" then, is a state that is inflicted upon a nonwhite person to bow them to the yoke of white supremacy. A "niggerized" person is a person to whom this has been done. It is not a statement on that person's character or nature, only a statement of a psychological, social harm that has been done to them.

27 years later, it seems Cornell picked up the term for a piece he wrote for the Atlantic, using the word as its title. Wherein he describes,

The fundamental irony of American history is that we follow the better angels of our nature when we honestly and compassionately confront the devilish realities we would like to ignore or deny. The founding of this most American of periodicals was motivated, in part, by a courageous resistance against the American institution of white- supremacist slavery. We must never forget that when this grand intellectual forum was established, the precious U.S. Constitution was, in practice, a pro-slavery document. To put it clearly yet crudely, the deep democratization of America was pitted against the ugly niggerization in America.

Democratization is the best of the American idea—in principle and practice. The sublime notion that each and every ordinary person has a dignity that warrants his or her voice being heard in shaping the destiny of society remains a revolutionary force in the 21st century—in the face of the power of autocratic empires, plutocratic states, and xenophobic communities. Niggerization is neither simply the dishonoring and devaluing of black people nor solely the economic exploitation and political disenfranchisement of them. It is also the wholesale attempt to impede democratization—to turn potential citizens into intimidated, fearful, and helpless subjects.

Since the ugly events of 9/11, we have witnessed the attempt of the Bush administration—with elites in support and populists complacent—to promote the niggerization of the American people. Like the myopic white greed, fear, and hatred that fueled the niggerization of black people, right-wing greed, fear, and hatred have made all of us feel intimidated, fearful, and helpless in the face of the terrorist attacks. And, as in the 19th century, we’ve almost lost our democracy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/11/niggerization/306285/


As pertains to President Obama, West is talking about how time after time, Obama has been pressured ot step away from confronting racial injustices. The system applies its pressure even against a man holding hte highest office i nthe land, and bends him into the position where he has to end up "going along to get along." Or else? he becomes the "angry BLack Man." simply to keep his office functional, Obama has had to side-step and avoid confronting many things that he really has every right to stand up on.

Remember the shit he got over calling the arrest of Professor Henry Gates "stupid"? it WAS stupid. But political pressure and "outrage" drove obama to walk it back, to play nice with the system, lest he be characterized as "ANGRY BLACK MAN HATES POLICE!"

Remember again, his commentary on the murder of Trayvon Martin? "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago"? Remember all the hell he caught for that speech? I sure do. And to his credit he didn't walk it back like he did the Gates arrest. But he did sort of... step away from continuing the direction he started.

And Cornell's specific commentary towards the president came after the South Carolina confederate Flag stuff last year. Specifically, Obama's refusal that white supremacy is endemic to the system we live under. Here's the video of it:

(Dr. West defines his use of the term at 2:38 on)

Of course Obama can't stand up, look square into the camera, and say straight up, "The american system is one in which white supremacy is deeply-ingrained and endemic." it's TRUE but he can't say it. Other presidents won't, but obama can't. If day after her inauguration, Hillary Clinton says exactly that line... she'd catch flack for it, be called a radical, but there would be grudging admission that hey, she's right! Barack obama, if he did it though? Oh, it's just a black man shooting his mouth off and whining about evil white people, then.

Which is to say, because of the demands and rigors of exactly that white supremacist system, even the most powerful, popular, admired black man in the country today, has to self-censor. Has to mind himself. Has to step around potentially "divisive" racial topics.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
35. Nah, I don't think he liked her much.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

But I think he'd vote for her over Trump.
You gonna sit home and pout?

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
37. No, says way more about your priorities. You think actual public policy is a backburner concern
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

while the most important thing to focus on is someone called a Turd Way politician a name because he was acting like a Turd Way politician.

2cannan

(344 posts)
16. AzDar, you have a way with names! I have to say I really like "Our Lady of Poor Judgement" best! nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
12. Not likely. By the way Neera Tanden helped kill the public option
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

During the health insurance wars she asked Hillary to step in and help "sell" a "less than public plan" to "the left".

From: Neera Tanden <ntanden Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 5:09 PM To: H Subject: option Hillary, Obviously, there's some blowback to this plan, but wanted to give you the context of where we've been. Again, everyone is hyper paranoid and crazy so all of this is between us. The leaks over the last few days have made everyone even crazier. Below is a somewhat negative story on them in the Times from a few months ago, but it will give you a flavor of the idea. There are few people who could sell even this version to the left. I know it may be annoying to save their bacon, but your voice on less than a public plan could uniquely help this situation. At least, that's my editorial comment. Let me know if this is along the lines you were thinking - and sorry it took me a bit longer than I had hoped. UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05764482 Date: 01/29/2016 Neera



https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11950

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
13. You see what they are doing here in CO with our Single Payer we've been working on.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:12 PM
May 2016

We are fucked six ways to Sunday if Hill wins.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. Goes to show...
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

there isn't a flea's width between neo-liberals like Neera, Hillary and Tarc...and neo-conservatives like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rice. Of course, they'd all share a world-view.

It's like I've said before...as a humanitarian-interventionist thinker, I'm hawkish...these monsters are something entirely darker and more malign.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
60. you're good with her positions, are ya?
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:52 PM
May 2016

Presumably you consider yourself a "Democrat".

You Neo Lib/Neo Cons slay me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. She heads a strong progressive think tank. They do a lot of good work.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

Don't know the particulars, but with the people that bring the shit, I am also not likely to delve in. I did check out her organization and it is solid.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
24. CAP *is* a strong progressive think tank.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

I have no idea how she got to the head of it...it's reminiscent of when Ralph Reed kvetched that he wasn't considered or interviewed when he applied to be the Executive Director of PFLAG.

It'd be like Ted Nugent becoming the chair of EMILY's List.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
62. It's the Center for American Progress
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:34 AM
May 2016

Generally liberal but with exceptions, such as supporting escalation in Afghanistan and opposing single-payer health care.

Founded by John Podesta, after he was Bill Clinton's chief of staff but before he was the chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

The article at SourceWatch has more detailed information.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
65. Of Course! Thank You!
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

The official Anti-FDR Neo-Liberal/Neo Conservative Sewage Tank is a natural pick from the Clinton camp.

Isn't it going to be fabulous! Oligarchs are thrilled I'm sure!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
18. When you lead your post by misrepresenting a joke made in 2011,
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

it is hard to take anything else you say seriously. Seems like you are manufacturing more OUTRAGE!!!!!!11!!!!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
27. A TWEET that was joke about the NYT paywall and the stinginess of GOP from 2011
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:34 PM
May 2016

that you represented as a real thing..... That is just pitiful. And like I said, it is hard to take anything you post AFTER that nonsense seriously. You either have an agenda or you are very gullible.

You are right that it isn't funny. But that is because it isn't a particularly good joke. Trying to do too many things at one time, poking fun at NYT and GOP, but not succeeding at either. It's just dumb, but not insensitive. She was NOT poking fun at uninsured people.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
33. How can you even say it was a joke
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

She DID support the individual mandate and DID lobby against the public option for health insurance.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
39. Because it was a joke.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

As far as the other stuff you typed, the individual mandate was so we could guarantee that really sick individuals were not priced out of the market.

https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2012/02/pdf/individual_mandate.pdf

I am not finding anything but a vague reference in an email to her position on the public option. Is that what you refer to? This is ridiculous. The woman is really smart and a solid progressive. You are just making stuff up because she is a longtime Clinton supporter.


A joke. On the TWEETER.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
43. She is a joke but that wasn't a joke.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

Tired of freeloaders getting free healthcare? Yeah she meant that.

Beating up on welfare recipients basically.

She's a disgrace.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
46. No, see, your post was the joke.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

Because it was based on making a misleading statement about a TWITTER joke from 2011. That is some weak sauce.

And she has never worked on welfare issues at all. She beat up on no one. It does look like some unstable Demos blogger called her names on Twitter and then Greenwald got in on the act and made unsubstantiated accusations against her. Those two were beating up on HER. And now they want it to go viral so someone dug up this bullshit from 2011

Poor Neera. She is minding her own business and then this! Crazy bloggers reading every tweet you made, ever, and looking to mislead the gullible among us about the content. Typical day in the online life of a Clinton supporter....

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
48. Freeloaders. Referring to people who can't afford health insurance. Sickening.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

Sickening. Right. Wing. Talking point. Beating up on the poor.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
50. Nope. Joking. Beating up on the GOP and NYT is ok.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:03 PM
May 2016

Misrepresenting the tweet for partisan gain. Talking Point. The guys beating up on her on Twitter. Sickening.


Thanks for playing. You wanna go again or are we bored now? This is getting circular.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
58. Then I have to prove that someone DOES think it is a joke.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:33 PM
May 2016

Two negatives is a positive.

Harold on Twitter got the joke AND posted a reply that managed to be very dry humor and helpful at the same time. https://twitter.com/911VICTIM/status/734085937928404994

Also, NYT imposed a paywall in 2011, so that joke was a bit more timely then.

Jeez, who went through all her tweets to find that? She has tweeted 13k times since 2010 and that was the best they could do?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. No shit? It was a joke? Instead of trying to unravel what the was about, I instead researched the
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

group. Solid and progressive. Tells me more than the rants and attack on this woman on DU. Notice all the attacks on outspoken women? It is telling. Never a man.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
30. And they seem to be justifying the attack
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

with something from Greenwald's site. But he was just in a huge Twitter slap fight with her over some blogger from Demos who called her "scumbag" without provocation and got his sorry ass fired! Joan Walsh is in on it too. Pretty funny, actually. Like DU for big kids

She is a Clinton supporter, that appears to be her main fault

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. Why? She's a disgusting, privileged right wing bigot. That makes her a perfect selection to
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

write a platform for Mrs Clinton.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. Sanders was allowed to make his appointments. Hillary has the same right.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

This totalitarian attitude on the far Left speaks to your lack of tolerance for competing opinions. You seem to hate democracy IMO.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
32. "Sell it to the left". That's pathetic and so Hillary-esque.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:56 PM
May 2016

Bad news for Hillary though. The left ain't buying the crap she's selling anymore.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
38. Glad you found someone you didn't want, since West is
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

offensive to African Americans. Can't let it go at that, now can we?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
42. I seriously doubt he's offensive to ALL African Americans.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Cornel West is a hero of pretty much any anti-oppression movement you can think of in this country and this world. The good done by the man far outweighs any bad.


Response to WhiteTara (Reply #38)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
40. She actually compares healthcare with reading the NYT online?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

Pretty sure nobody's gonna die just because they can't get to the crossword puzzle.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
52. Nope, it was a joke.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

It's a tweet. You really can't make those judgements off of 140 characters or less.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
64. IKR?
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

It's hard work replying to y'alls misinformation that you post over and over and over without any kind of actual proof! And changing the subject doesn't mean you won the debate, either

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
53. Seems OK to me.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:06 PM
May 2016

Her opinions reflect the views of many "Democrats," including many who post right here on this site. It's what our party has become, what it tolerates, even encourages.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
57. I'm sure Bernie's 5 handpicked appointees can outvote her on any issue that comes up
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:27 PM
May 2016

And in return I will not criticize and Sanders' appointed committee members.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
63. She was Obama's domestic policy director
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:46 AM
May 2016

She has been advocating progressive policies for her whole career and is very respected among Democrats.

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