2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNeera Tanden should not be on the platform committee. It's a disgrace that Hillary appointed her.
She is sick of freeloaders getting health care. Compares it to a website paywall:
She says we should bomb countries, overthrow their governments, put them in debt, and force them to pay us back with oil.
She coddles and kisses ass of far right wing war mongers like Netanyahu. Lot of blood on a lot of hands.
Oh and this is nice: Neera Tanden helped kill the public option. During the health insurance debate she asked Hillary to step in and help "sell" a "less than public plan" to "the left".
Hillary's choice represents everything wrong with the Democratic Party today.
Meanwhile Bernie is taking hits from the Clinton liberals for nominating Cornel West. Dr. West may speak in a very crude way, but Hillary's choice is 1000 times more offensive.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Which seems to be all that matters to them
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)More war, more backroom deals that help out the Clinton's and their charity.
What's not to like? I am sure that Karl Rove is puzzled at how the Clintons are now Bushier than the Bushes!
DebDoo
(319 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)without an ounce of compassion.
Sounds like someone Hill would appoint.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)kill 'em and send them the "liberation" bill
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The fact that Sanders was okay appointing someone who talks like that says volumes about his moral character.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cornel West called Obama n*****ized? He called him the black puppet of wall street?
Liberal = a person more offended by bad words than they are by killing and maiming thousands of people.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And surely you know what the word "nigger" means.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Why are you defending that?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)He uses the term to describe people who have been systemically dehumanized through the course of colonialism. "Niggerization" then, is a state that is inflicted upon a nonwhite person to bow them to the yoke of white supremacy. A "niggerized" person is a person to whom this has been done. It is not a statement on that person's character or nature, only a statement of a psychological, social harm that has been done to them.
27 years later, it seems Cornell picked up the term for a piece he wrote for the Atlantic, using the word as its title. Wherein he describes,
Democratization is the best of the American ideain principle and practice. The sublime notion that each and every ordinary person has a dignity that warrants his or her voice being heard in shaping the destiny of society remains a revolutionary force in the 21st centuryin the face of the power of autocratic empires, plutocratic states, and xenophobic communities. Niggerization is neither simply the dishonoring and devaluing of black people nor solely the economic exploitation and political disenfranchisement of them. It is also the wholesale attempt to impede democratizationto turn potential citizens into intimidated, fearful, and helpless subjects.
Since the ugly events of 9/11, we have witnessed the attempt of the Bush administrationwith elites in support and populists complacentto promote the niggerization of the American people. Like the myopic white greed, fear, and hatred that fueled the niggerization of black people, right-wing greed, fear, and hatred have made all of us feel intimidated, fearful, and helpless in the face of the terrorist attacks. And, as in the 19th century, weve almost lost our democracy.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/11/niggerization/306285/
As pertains to President Obama, West is talking about how time after time, Obama has been pressured ot step away from confronting racial injustices. The system applies its pressure even against a man holding hte highest office i nthe land, and bends him into the position where he has to end up "going along to get along." Or else? he becomes the "angry BLack Man." simply to keep his office functional, Obama has had to side-step and avoid confronting many things that he really has every right to stand up on.
Remember the shit he got over calling the arrest of Professor Henry Gates "stupid"? it WAS stupid. But political pressure and "outrage" drove obama to walk it back, to play nice with the system, lest he be characterized as "ANGRY BLACK MAN HATES POLICE!"
Remember again, his commentary on the murder of Trayvon Martin? "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago"? Remember all the hell he caught for that speech? I sure do. And to his credit he didn't walk it back like he did the Gates arrest. But he did sort of... step away from continuing the direction he started.
And Cornell's specific commentary towards the president came after the South Carolina confederate Flag stuff last year. Specifically, Obama's refusal that white supremacy is endemic to the system we live under. Here's the video of it:
(Dr. West defines his use of the term at 2:38 on)
Of course Obama can't stand up, look square into the camera, and say straight up, "The american system is one in which white supremacy is deeply-ingrained and endemic." it's TRUE but he can't say it. Other presidents won't, but obama can't. If day after her inauguration, Hillary Clinton says exactly that line... she'd catch flack for it, be called a radical, but there would be grudging admission that hey, she's right! Barack obama, if he did it though? Oh, it's just a black man shooting his mouth off and whining about evil white people, then.
Which is to say, because of the demands and rigors of exactly that white supremacist system, even the most powerful, popular, admired black man in the country today, has to self-censor. Has to mind himself. Has to step around potentially "divisive" racial topics.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)But I think he'd vote for her over Trump.
You gonna sit home and pout?
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)while the most important thing to focus on is someone called a Turd Way politician a name because he was acting like a Turd Way politician.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)2cannan
(344 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)During the health insurance wars she asked Hillary to step in and help "sell" a "less than public plan" to "the left".
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11950
Autumn
(45,056 posts)We are fucked six ways to Sunday if Hill wins.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)GJ, Mrs. Clinton.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)there isn't a flea's width between neo-liberals like Neera, Hillary and Tarc...and neo-conservatives like Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rice. Of course, they'd all share a world-view.
It's like I've said before...as a humanitarian-interventionist thinker, I'm hawkish...these monsters are something entirely darker and more malign.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Presumably you consider yourself a "Democrat".
You Neo Lib/Neo Cons slay me.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Which is why I will not vote for Hillary.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Don't know the particulars, but with the people that bring the shit, I am also not likely to delve in. I did check out her organization and it is solid.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I have no idea how she got to the head of it...it's reminiscent of when Ralph Reed kvetched that he wasn't considered or interviewed when he applied to be the Executive Director of PFLAG.
It'd be like Ted Nugent becoming the chair of EMILY's List.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Generally liberal but with exceptions, such as supporting escalation in Afghanistan and opposing single-payer health care.
Founded by John Podesta, after he was Bill Clinton's chief of staff but before he was the chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
The article at SourceWatch has more detailed information.
2banon
(7,321 posts)The official Anti-FDR Neo-Liberal/Neo Conservative Sewage Tank is a natural pick from the Clinton camp.
Isn't it going to be fabulous! Oligarchs are thrilled I'm sure!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)it is hard to take anything else you say seriously. Seems like you are manufacturing more OUTRAGE!!!!!!11!!!!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)/no it isn't
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)that you represented as a real thing..... That is just pitiful. And like I said, it is hard to take anything you post AFTER that nonsense seriously. You either have an agenda or you are very gullible.
You are right that it isn't funny. But that is because it isn't a particularly good joke. Trying to do too many things at one time, poking fun at NYT and GOP, but not succeeding at either. It's just dumb, but not insensitive. She was NOT poking fun at uninsured people.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She DID support the individual mandate and DID lobby against the public option for health insurance.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)As far as the other stuff you typed, the individual mandate was so we could guarantee that really sick individuals were not priced out of the market.
https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2012/02/pdf/individual_mandate.pdf
I am not finding anything but a vague reference in an email to her position on the public option. Is that what you refer to? This is ridiculous. The woman is really smart and a solid progressive. You are just making stuff up because she is a longtime Clinton supporter.
A joke. On the TWEETER.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Tired of freeloaders getting free healthcare? Yeah she meant that.
Beating up on welfare recipients basically.
She's a disgrace.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Because it was based on making a misleading statement about a TWITTER joke from 2011. That is some weak sauce.
And she has never worked on welfare issues at all. She beat up on no one. It does look like some unstable Demos blogger called her names on Twitter and then Greenwald got in on the act and made unsubstantiated accusations against her. Those two were beating up on HER. And now they want it to go viral so someone dug up this bullshit from 2011
Poor Neera. She is minding her own business and then this! Crazy bloggers reading every tweet you made, ever, and looking to mislead the gullible among us about the content. Typical day in the online life of a Clinton supporter....
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Sickening. Right. Wing. Talking point. Beating up on the poor.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Misrepresenting the tweet for partisan gain. Talking Point. The guys beating up on her on Twitter. Sickening.
Thanks for playing. You wanna go again or are we bored now? This is getting circular.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Link please
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Calling it a joke is pure historical revisionism of twitter.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Two negatives is a positive.
Harold on Twitter got the joke AND posted a reply that managed to be very dry humor and helpful at the same time. https://twitter.com/911VICTIM/status/734085937928404994
Also, NYT imposed a paywall in 2011, so that joke was a bit more timely then.
Jeez, who went through all her tweets to find that? She has tweeted 13k times since 2010 and that was the best they could do?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)group. Solid and progressive. Tells me more than the rants and attack on this woman on DU. Notice all the attacks on outspoken women? It is telling. Never a man.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)with something from Greenwald's site. But he was just in a huge Twitter slap fight with her over some blogger from Demos who called her "scumbag" without provocation and got his sorry ass fired! Joan Walsh is in on it too. Pretty funny, actually. Like DU for big kids
She is a Clinton supporter, that appears to be her main fault
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)write a platform for Mrs Clinton.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...in both parties.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)This totalitarian attitude on the far Left speaks to your lack of tolerance for competing opinions. You seem to hate democracy IMO.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Bad news for Hillary though. The left ain't buying the crap she's selling anymore.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)offensive to African Americans. Can't let it go at that, now can we?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Cornel West is a hero of pretty much any anti-oppression movement you can think of in this country and this world. The good done by the man far outweighs any bad.
Response to WhiteTara (Reply #38)
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Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Pretty sure nobody's gonna die just because they can't get to the crossword puzzle.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Looked more like it exposed an underlying elitist attitude.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It's a tweet. You really can't make those judgements off of 140 characters or less.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It's hard work replying to y'alls misinformation that you post over and over and over without any kind of actual proof! And changing the subject doesn't mean you won the debate, either
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Her opinions reflect the views of many "Democrats," including many who post right here on this site. It's what our party has become, what it tolerates, even encourages.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)And in return I will not criticize and Sanders' appointed committee members.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)She has been advocating progressive policies for her whole career and is very respected among Democrats.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He's a pretty lengthy video with her on C-Span that could help people learn more about her directly:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?304041-1/qa-neera-tanden