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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:57 PM May 2016

There are some of us who do not like Hillary's policies, but she's a little better than Trump.

I'm voting for her in the general election, but I won't stop criticizing her when she's wrong. If you support her and remain silent when she's wrong you are complicit.

Bad ideas are bad no matter if he or she has D next to their name.

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There are some of us who do not like Hillary's policies, but she's a little better than Trump. (Original Post) JRLeft May 2016 OP
"a little better" than a disaster, rather than choosing or writing in a sure winner? MrMickeysMom May 2016 #1
Under what scenario is a write in a winner? Renew Deal May 2016 #2
And let me guess - YOU get to decide what's a bad idea. Lil Missy May 2016 #3
Intervening in Syria, Iraq, and Libya were great ideas. JRLeft May 2016 #4
Too simplistic. procon May 2016 #41
No this is simple Armstead May 2016 #45
It's rather normal for people to decide their own opinions. arcane1 May 2016 #5
Thank you. It seems like some of her supporters do not want her to be criticized ever. JRLeft May 2016 #7
Pretty sad when the bar is just a "little better than Trump". BillZBubb May 2016 #6
Agreed, but there won't be a real choice. JRLeft May 2016 #8
Hurrah! "Hillary is slightly less dangerous!" lagomorph777 May 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #9
Bunk. Darb May 2016 #10
Not really. JRLeft May 2016 #12
Gibberish. Darb May 2016 #15
Ooops, sorry "neoliberal macroeconomics" is Darb May 2016 #16
I doubt you know what it is. JRLeft May 2016 #42
Nobody does. Darb May 2016 #43
Then you don't know what it means Armstead May 2016 #48
I do know, but I don't care. Darb May 2016 #57
Death by an anvil dropping on your head, or death by 1000 cuts AgingAmerican May 2016 #11
Can I borrow your analogy? JRLeft May 2016 #13
"A little better than Trump" is like being... 99Forever May 2016 #14
Trump has openly declared war on certain segments of the working class. Time for KingCharlemagne May 2016 #17
Trump is sick. Too mentally unsound to ever allow him to be President. Regardless of his "positions" Tom Rinaldo May 2016 #18
That is something I haven't liked about the primary debate. Vattel May 2016 #19
Thank you for your vote. auntpurl May 2016 #20
We deserve a better choice than these 2 candidates. They both have terrible unfavorability ratings. B Calm May 2016 #21
Yes, but reality may make us choose between the "lesser of 2 evils"..Please, HRC is Far LESS whathehell May 2016 #31
"A little better?" Damning with faint praise, are we? MineralMan May 2016 #22
I did the same thing with Obama vs McCain and Obama vs Romney. Nye Bevan May 2016 #23
It is the reponsibility of the people to hold public servants accountable in a democracy. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #24
She's "a little better" than Trump. John Poet May 2016 #25
Dont be silly, she's a LOT better whathehell May 2016 #34
Word is, she IS temper-mental.... John Poet May 2016 #56
In 20 plus years in the public eye, she hasn't shown it, which says whathehell May 2016 #58
More than a little better. n/t Orsino May 2016 #26
She is FAR better than Trump. Proud to support her in the GE. Beausoir May 2016 #27
Very little. HooptieWagon May 2016 #28
That's an absurd statement, and I'm a Bernie supporter.. whathehell May 2016 #36
Imagine giving the nuclear codes to Clinton the incompetent? HooptieWagon May 2016 #37
LOL...Are you REALLY saying any incompetence on her part is on a level with Trump's? whathehell May 2016 #59
Now there's a catchy bumper sticker tularetom May 2016 #29
So the dems have sunk down to "a little better than." CrispyQ May 2016 #30
Your characterization is noted. Lets hope we don't have to revisit it BootinUp May 2016 #33
"...a little better than Trump." chervilant May 2016 #35
Trump isn't facing an impending criminal indictment. HooptieWagon May 2016 #38
I agree. chervilant May 2016 #44
A vote for Hillary sends the message that what the Democrats are doing is OK. Maedhros May 2016 #39
I was against that shit when Republicans did it. HooptieWagon May 2016 #47
That's how the Democrats put the screws to us: Maedhros May 2016 #50
No, Hillary's about as good as they get rock May 2016 #40
Hillary is a compromised and very weak candidate farleftlib May 2016 #46
Attaboy Luther! rock May 2016 #51
If a candidate facing indictment is as good as we got... HooptieWagon May 2016 #49
Hillary is the most accused politician I can think of rock May 2016 #53
Nixon had no convictions... HooptieWagon May 2016 #54
What BJ did Hillary lie about? rock May 2016 #55
Did you giggle Dem2 May 2016 #52

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
1. "a little better" than a disaster, rather than choosing or writing in a sure winner?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016

No ... That's not going to work well.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
4. Intervening in Syria, Iraq, and Libya were great ideas.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:02 PM
May 2016

She advocated for a ground war in October.

procon

(15,805 posts)
41. Too simplistic.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

The reality is that the US is frequently placed between a rock and a hard place where there is no perfect decision, only a Sophie's Choice decision between that might be bad or even worse. All of the countries you point to involve extremely complex issues from national security to global economics that impact many other governments -- both friend and foe -- and all of it affects our strategic interests.

We only get a glimpse of the superficial events, not the depth or extent of the interplay between all the stakeholders involved. It is irresponsible to manufacture a one-dimensional critique based on incomplete knowledge.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. No this is simple
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

Invading Iraq was totally needless and totally destructive to our interests.

Realizing that was not rocket science.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. It's rather normal for people to decide their own opinions.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

Though it's true that some people prefer to let others tell them what their opinions are.

Obama told us to hold his feet to the fire and stay on his ass if we don't like what he's doing. I agreed with that.

Once someone is considered to be immune from criticism, anything can happen, and it won't be good.

Response to JRLeft (Original post)

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
12. Not really.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Palestine, Honduras, etc. Trade, and a shitload of other neoliberal macroeconomics.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
57. I do know, but I don't care.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

It is psycho-babble except in poli-sci speak. Poli-babble.

It assumes some type of collusion, when there is done.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
14. "A little better than Trump" is like being...
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

... a little more fun than a root canal without Novocain.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
17. Trump has openly declared war on certain segments of the working class. Time for
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

the working class to answer the call to duty. Hillary can either lead or get the fuck out of the way.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
18. Trump is sick. Too mentally unsound to ever allow him to be President. Regardless of his "positions"
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016

I don't need to look further than that, though reasons abound to oppose him.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
19. That is something I haven't liked about the primary debate.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

Many HRC supporters appear far too prepared to lap up whatever Clinton and even Brock serve up to them. Ellos levantan huevos.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
20. Thank you for your vote.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

That's all anyone can ask. Hell, that's about the enthusiasm with which I voted for President Obama in 2008. But I did vote for him, and actually he grew on me hugely over the course of his presidency and I like him a lot now. It's possible Hillary may surprise you - she tends to poll better the longer she's in office.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
21. We deserve a better choice than these 2 candidates. They both have terrible unfavorability ratings.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

I fully support the candidate who I don't have to pinch my nose to vote for, Bernie Sanders!

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
31. Yes, but reality may make us choose between the "lesser of 2 evils"..Please, HRC is Far LESS
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

"evil" than Trump. The idea of that idiot with the nuclear codes is SERIOUSLY scary.

Whatever you think of Hillary, she's neither crazy or ignnorant, something I do NOT feel confident saying about Trump..

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. I did the same thing with Obama vs McCain and Obama vs Romney.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

Nobody will ever agree with one of the candidates on every last issue. The thing to do is to vote for the candidate who has a realistic chance of winning who you agree with the most.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. It is the reponsibility of the people to hold public servants accountable in a democracy.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

Even presidents. Even Democratic presidents.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. Dont be silly, she's a LOT better
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

Trump is an ignorant, tempemental doofus...Hillary is neither of those things.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
56. Word is, she IS temper-mental....
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

and she's a neoconservative,
pals with the Bush war criminals,
and a disciple of Henry Kissinger.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
58. In 20 plus years in the public eye, she hasn't shown it, which says
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016

that's either BS, or she's incredibly disciplined...Something you'll never have to accuse Idiot Trump of being.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
36. That's an absurd statement, and I'm a Bernie supporter..
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

Again, Hillary, whatever her faults, is not CRAZY, nor is she IGNORANT of the job as Trump is.

Can you imagine giving the nuclear codes to TRUMP the Clown?..Please.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
37. Imagine giving the nuclear codes to Clinton the incompetent?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

Kerry is still cleaning up the mess she left at State, not to mention the FBI criminal investigation, and the legacy she left of being the only Obama Admin official caught up in a scandal. Just imagine the damage she can do as President? Just as bad as Trump...probably more corrupt and criminal than him though.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
59. LOL...Are you REALLY saying any incompetence on her part is on a level with Trump's?
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016


For your sake, I hope you don't honestly believe that.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
30. So the dems have sunk down to "a little better than."
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016
This is problem for the Democratic party, not Sanders.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
35. "...a little better than Trump."
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
May 2016

Is that the new campaign slogan? When can I get it on a bumper sticker?



#BernieOrBUST!!!

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
38. Trump isn't facing an impending criminal indictment.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

He does start out the GE campaign with that advantage over Clinton.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
44. I agree.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

If Hi11ary continues to assert that she's "inevitable," I fully expect to see a Trump presidency.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
39. A vote for Hillary sends the message that what the Democrats are doing is OK.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:14 PM
May 2016

Fracking. War. TPP. Warrantless surveillance. Private prisons. Corporate supplication.

Those are NOT OK.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
47. I was against that shit when Republicans did it.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

I sure as hell aren't going to vote for a Democratic candidate who supports that shit.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
50. That's how the Democrats put the screws to us:
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

point out how horrific the Republicans are and dare us to allow them to win office, then after we vote for the Democrat they continue implementing heinous policy while shrugging their shoulders and saying "it could have been worse."

I don't play that way anymore. Want my vote? Then earn it.

rock

(13,218 posts)
40. No, Hillary's about as good as they get
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:16 PM
May 2016

Trump can not be measured on the same scale as her. But you keep trying.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
49. If a candidate facing indictment is as good as we got...
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

...then God help us.
Except we do have another option. Nominate a candidate running for President who ISNT under a current FBI criminal investigation, who ISNT corrupt, who ISNT a serial liar, who ISNT a war-mongering neoconservative. Know of any such candidate?

rock

(13,218 posts)
53. Hillary is the most accused politician I can think of
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

Shall we count the number of convictions? --- I have zero, how many did you get? You know our system of justice demands a high standard of evidence (you may need to look that word up). Bernie hasn't been vetted, thus all non-attributes may be big ol' fat attributes, along with many other non-desirables ones. But as he is now irrelevant there is no need to discuss him.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
54. Nixon had no convictions...
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

...how did that turn out? Sometimes it's the little things that trip up a lifetime criminal...like filing false income taxes, lying about a BJ, or careless handling of classified documents.

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