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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:33 PM May 2016

HACKER Who Got INSIDE Hillary Clinton's Server Said To Cooperate FULLY w Ongoing Email Investigation

As we reported three weeks ago, the notorious Romanian hacker Marcel Lazar known also as Guccifer who first exposed Hillary Clinton's private email address made a bombshell claim when he claimed that he also gained access to the former Secretary of State's "completely unsecured" server. "It was like an open orchid on the Internet," Lazar told NBC News. "There were hundreds of folders." This took place shortly after Lazar was extradited from Romania to the US to face hacking charges.


In the latest twist, Politico reports, Lazar is now expected to plead guilty this week, clearing the way for his unfettered cooperation with federal prosecutors, suggesting that all of his heretofore unverified claims about hacking into Hillary's server will be duly investigated. If confirmed, this could open a new chapter in the FBI's criminal probe into Hillary's email use and/or abuse. As Politico adds, Lazar is scheduled to appear in federal court in Alexandria, Va. Wednesday morning for a change of plea hearing, according to court records. A prosecution spokesman did not immediately respond to a message seeking confirmation that the guilty plea is part of a plea bargain with prosecutors. A defense attorney declined to comment. Such plea deals usually oblige a defendant to assist authorities in all ongoing investigations.


Lazar was indicted in 2014 on nine felony charges stemming from his alleged hack into the emails of several prominent Americans, including former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a relative of former President George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, and former Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal. A set of Blumenthal's emails were published online in 2013, disclosing a private email address Clinton used. She later changed the address. Allegedly, Hillary's personal email server was also among those hacked.


Clinton's email arrangement is the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation, believed to be focused on how email messages deemed classified wound up on her server. Some reports have speculated that Lazar could demonstrate how vulnerable Clinton's unusual email set-up was to foreign hackers, but it's unclear how significant that fact would be to a decision about whether to seek criminal charges against Clinton or others involved in creating or using the unofficial email system. If the DOJ's ongoing "effort" to squash the probe - often in direct confronation with the FBI - is any indication, even full data dump by the Romanian may not spur any action, unless of course it is Obama's intention to thaw the DOJ out of its deep freeze slumber right before the Democratic convention and somehow insert Joe Biden as the presumptive presidentical candidate.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/hacker-who-got-inside-hillary-clintons-server-said-cooperate-fully-ongoing-email-inv




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HACKER Who Got INSIDE Hillary Clinton's Server Said To Cooperate FULLY w Ongoing Email Investigation (Original Post) Segami May 2016 OP
I guess we'll see if Guccifer was telling the truth all along...... Segami May 2016 #1
The one who has been outed as a complete fraud BainsBane May 2016 #2
So where did this image come from then? NWCorona May 2016 #10
A doodle by Bill Clinton, hacked and leaked by Guccifer in 2013 Segami May 2016 #16
Yup and I have yet to have a Hillary supporter give a plausible counter argument. NWCorona May 2016 #21
For a piece of paper with the words "the white house" typed on it and a doodle? Recursion May 2016 #41
Are you saying it's fake? NWCorona May 2016 #43
Are you saying it's real? Why? What makes you inclined to believe it is? Recursion May 2016 #44
Because it was reported to be genuine when they were released year ago. NWCorona May 2016 #45
And? What's the last thing the media was right about? Recursion May 2016 #46
I'm not saying that I'm positive but it couldn't have come from Sid NWCorona May 2016 #47
Why would either of them scan a GHWB caricature doodle on WH stationary? Recursion May 2016 #48
This has got to win an award BainsBane May 2016 #65
I think it looks more like arikara May 2016 #84
Your link goes to a rabid right wing site BainsBane May 2016 #62
Only because it was the only one I could hot link. NWCorona May 2016 #69
OMG BainsBane May 2016 #74
Sure they could and you are making it more of a deal than me. NWCorona May 2016 #75
Oh, it's a puzzle alright. BainsBane May 2016 #78
Zerohedge.com reports too WhiteTara May 2016 #109
Ever hear of photoshop? It's this amazing new thing. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #115
You were serious BainsBane May 2016 #60
Then why even bother replying? NWCorona May 2016 #67
I replied because despite having seen a lot this election cycle BainsBane May 2016 #77
I said that because when I first brought this up I was confronted with posts NWCorona May 2016 #82
The charges have nothing to do with Clinton BainsBane May 2016 #88
Stakes? I'm on record as to saying that the FBI investigation will only NWCorona May 2016 #89
Well, here MSNBC does "the math" on the impossibility of Clinton clinching... Peace Patriot May 2016 #98
Bernie doesn't get to change the rules for nomination BainsBane May 2016 #100
You will not be able to reason with some of these folks bains, their hatred blinds them to any sense still_one May 2016 #92
Despite his odd evidence BainsBane May 2016 #93
That may be, but the bias may be so strong against Hillary that common ground will not be found still_one May 2016 #96
LOL BainsBane May 2016 #57
Dis I say it was proof? I've never for a fact said that Guccifer got into her server. NWCorona May 2016 #71
To quote J. Peterman from Seinfeld, "It's a Ziggy!" George II May 2016 #63
To the archives! NWCorona May 2016 #70
Good to see another Seinfeld, and Peterman fan, here!!!!! George II May 2016 #81
Same! I probably know every episode by heart by now. NWCorona May 2016 #97
It came from a 6 old who was asked to come up with a band name zappaman May 2016 #111
LOL! Bobbie Jo May 2016 #113
Where DID it come from? I think you're using that to imply that it came from Clinton's... George II May 2016 #114
Well, it was a Microsoft server... scscholar May 2016 #51
The feds looked at the server months ago BainsBane May 2016 #61
Please provide a link that says that because THAT'S NOT TRUE. Bob41213 May 2016 #64
Here BainsBane May 2016 #66
It says what I said it would... Bob41213 May 2016 #68
That's the link I have BainsBane May 2016 #72
You're changing the subject. Bob41213 May 2016 #73
You show your concerns by what you respond to BainsBane May 2016 #80
Yes, I responded to an inaccurate statement. Bob41213 May 2016 #85
Kudos. The article is full of "weasel words." merrily May 2016 #105
Bwahahahahahah cliffordu May 2016 #99
The source is a fraud too WhiteTara May 2016 #108
RW talking points metroins May 2016 #3
The FBI investigation is no conspiracy. It is serious and could be fatal to the Democrats. BillZBubb May 2016 #35
It's not head in the sand metroins May 2016 #38
You'd better do more research--intent is not necessary to violate security laws. BillZBubb May 2016 #39
Again precedent metroins May 2016 #42
What does that have anything to do with Hillary being investigated by the FBI? pinebox May 2016 #95
then she can break another ceiling of sorts.... Jack Bone May 2016 #104
Better hope it's just a bunch of yoga and recipes on there. nc4bo May 2016 #4
Just another RW attack...I mean the DOJ is just another wing of the GOP, right? Ned_Devine May 2016 #5
Yes, and Hill was hypnotized by rightwingers when she did those things. senz May 2016 #13
They're powerful Ned_Devine May 2016 #18
heehee 840high May 2016 #34
lol....you will now act dumb about your server...... Segami May 2016 #76
Yes, they're going to indict her, any day now... Arneoker May 2016 #14
Damn GOP DOJ! Leave our anointed one alone! Ned_Devine May 2016 #19
20 years? The details of her foolish server operation have only been investigated for about a year. BillZBubb May 2016 #40
Yes, were all going to DIE MFM008 May 2016 #101
At least this part is RW bullshit creeksneakers2 May 2016 #86
Tell me again why Bernie should dropout? Chasstev365 May 2016 #6
THIS is why they want him to drop out. senz May 2016 #8
I'm beginning to think that's true. pa28 May 2016 #53
I hope they also ask him about Vince Foster. annavictorious May 2016 #7
Is this the guy who was granted immunity? senz May 2016 #9
No,...that was Brian Pagliano Segami May 2016 #11
Case is getting too convoluted. "Oh what a tangled web we weave..." senz May 2016 #20
Heh heh.....maybe tomorrow the headlines will bring more news.... Segami May 2016 #33
Well, let's see what resources get dedicated to hearing this person out Babel_17 May 2016 #12
Dear Diary: Day 18 of the Guccifer Revelations. randome May 2016 #15
Truly a dishonest headline. NCTraveler May 2016 #17
You earned the spin..... Segami May 2016 #22
Your op is the spin. Truly a dishonest headline. NCTraveler May 2016 #23
And I'm glad not to be in your position pushing talking points.... Segami May 2016 #25
Pretty relaxed here. NCTraveler May 2016 #27
The horse is relaxing and only showing others who suffer from brittle reasoning Segami May 2016 #32
How come you're not being glib, condescending, and sassy? senz May 2016 #28
I'm a generally very happy person. NCTraveler May 2016 #30
And the chronic rudeness is just kind of a cutesy thing. senz May 2016 #31
... Agschmid May 2016 #59
wouldnt it be disasterous if he had copies of e-mails she destroyed larkrake May 2016 #24
Thoses emails where recovered. TimPlo May 2016 #54
Verdddy Interestink! Thank you Love it! larkrake May 2016 #91
I look forward to seeing proof of the hack. apnu May 2016 #26
I'll wager this was at least one of the exploits.... Bob41213 May 2016 #55
Guccifer said in one of his interviews he gave the Russians and China and one other country Samantha May 2016 #94
He had no need. They would have got in on their own. Bob41213 May 2016 #107
I have read this information before and I agree with everything you say Samantha May 2016 #112
It would be rich if an extradited hacker named Guccifer proves more honest than Hillary or Obama. highprincipleswork May 2016 #29
One bad thing about this is Guccifer's entry means the investigation will go on longer. BillZBubb May 2016 #36
and if Guccifer pleads guilty to hacking Blumenthal's email account... grasswire May 2016 #37
please read the bold material jimw81 May 2016 #49
"Some reports have speculated ... " = "Ancient Alien Theorist believe ... " JoePhilly May 2016 #50
"Clap for tinkerbell" brooklynite May 2016 #52
Here's who Zerohedge.com is...in case you care WhiteTara May 2016 #56
Fascinating stuff. emulatorloo May 2016 #83
Zerohedge has predicted 350 of the past 2 recessions (nt) Recursion May 2016 #90
Sounds like their crystal ball needs repair. emulatorloo May 2016 #110
Written by someone who took as a pen name, literally, the psychotic delusion of an insomniac (nt) Recursion May 2016 #87
OP title is misleading. It should be: "Hacker WHO CLAIMS he got inside Hillary's server. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #58
I am best hacker in the planet. I hacks the Hillary server. She haves lots of Hanky Panky. LuvLoogie May 2016 #79
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!!11!!! N/T JTFrog May 2016 #102
I thought the convicted hacker inside of Sidney Blumenthal's server underthematrix May 2016 #103
How long until he "kills himself" in prison? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #106
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. I guess we'll see if Guccifer was telling the truth all along......
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Biden is getting his teeth twinkle ready......

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
2. The one who has been outed as a complete fraud
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

And had no evidence of having breached the server? Is it really necessary to do the GOP's work for them?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
41. For a piece of paper with the words "the white house" typed on it and a doodle?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

What "explanation" exactly does that require?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
46. And? What's the last thing the media was right about?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016


If she scanned it and sent it to Blumenthal, I suppose it's possible, it just kind of surprised me you buy this given that you're usually pretty skeptical of stuff.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
47. I'm not saying that I'm positive but it couldn't have come from Sid
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:49 PM
May 2016

As those have already been released. We would be able to see the email that these would have been attached. For me the only other plausible place would be the Clinton library but that would mean that he hacked that as well. The reason I'm leaning towards the server is because the original one that Brian Pagliano built was partially comprised of Bill's old server.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
48. Why would either of them scan a GHWB caricature doodle on WH stationary?
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

(I'm assuming that's who that's a drawing of.)

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
65. This has got to win an award
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

for the most bizarre allegation and supposed proof in history.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
84. I think it looks more like
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:00 AM
May 2016

Anthony Weiner.

Weird doodle at any rate, or I'm missing the point of it.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
62. Your link goes to a rabid right wing site
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

all anti-Democrat, anti-liberal. Is there another source? How do you know Clinton drew that picture? And if it that image had been previously published, couldn't Guccifer haven't gotten it from there? And seriously, if the point is to provide evidence of hacking, why not release a classified document?

When you are at the point where you think something like that constitutes evidence, you have to seriously check yourself. Is that really the kind of person you want to be?

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
74. OMG
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:43 PM
May 2016

Artists forge Rembrandt and Monet. You don't think any one of millions of people around the world could mock up a doodle like that?

Seriously. This is just sad.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
75. Sure they could and you are making it more of a deal than me.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:47 PM
May 2016

It's just another piece of the puzzle.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
60. You were serious
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:05 PM
May 2016

Holy fucking shit.

I give up.

I have no idea what the fuck that thing is or why you all are so certain it's a doodle by Clinton. I would simply point out that if he had really hacked her server, don't you think it could have released something more convincing?

I don't even know why I'm trying to have a discussion here. Clearly it's a lost cause.




NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
67. Then why even bother replying?
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

I don't know why but this guy was extradited under highly unusual circumstances and the timing doesn't help Clinton. Also if you read what he said about his server. He said it wasn't very interesting so I could see why the images stood out.


http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/5/5178472/clinton-doodles-leaked-by-same-hacker-george-w-bush-artwork

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
77. I replied because despite having seen a lot this election cycle
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:49 PM
May 2016

that is the single most bizarre claim I have ever seen in my entire life.

As for your other post saying you didn't claim it was proof, this is what you said, verbatim:

Yup and I have yet to have a Hillary supporter give a plausible counter argument.

That suggests you believe it serious enough to warrant a response. I don't even know how one gets to that point in their head.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
82. I said that because when I first brought this up I was confronted with posts
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

Much like yours. Not dealing with the question but rather talking about how it shouldn't be brought up. Do I think it came from the server? It definitely looks that way but I'm definitely not sure but I definitely don't think they are fake.

The fact remains this came from the guy who's currently in Federal custody.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
88. The charges have nothing to do with Clinton
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:24 AM
May 2016

That according to the RW Washington Times, who would love nothing more than to bury her.

People respond this way to you because it's absurd. It's a fucking doodle anyone could have done. If it were a classified document hitherto unreleased to the press, you'd have a point.

I'm content to let the FBI deal with any server related breaches, but then I don't have a stake in overturning the results of popular elections in hope that Bernie will be installed as nominee against the will of the electorate. Just to let you know, it's not going to happen, ever, no matter how many smoking gun cartoons you post.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
89. Stakes? I'm on record as to saying that the FBI investigation will only
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
May 2016

Help Biden or trump into the WH. Especially this late in the game.

I'm content to let the FBI do its job as well but that doesn't mean I'm not going to discuss the issues at hand.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
98. Well, here MSNBC does "the math" on the impossibility of Clinton clinching...
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:01 AM
May 2016

... the nomination before the convention.

https://www.facebook.com/susan.sanders.35325/videos/636912853123585/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046916#post3

Seems unassailable to me. Even with generous "math" allowances for Clinton, she CAN'T gain the 672 pledged delegates she needs in the remaining states. It is mathematically impossible--unless Sanders withdraws and he ain't gonna, cuz he surely understands that Clinton CANNOT win 80% of the vote in the remaining states.

You say, "I don't have a stake in overturning the results of popular elections." Neither do Sanders supporters. But it ain't over yet, you see. There is no final result of "popular elections" in existence, especially with the largest state in the union, California, still to vote.

The MSNBC analyst, after guestimating generous numbers for Clinton for the next primaries that are not California, he comes to California, and the number he has arrived at means that Clinton must win 90% to 95% of California's pledged delegates to go over the top! Not gonna happen.

On the FBI's investigation of Clinton, I don't think you understand why Sanders supporters and others are interested in what is known about Clinton's private email server and what the FBI will report to the DoJ.

It's not just that the FBI report could knock her out of the race--which it could--it's that this may be a fatal weakness of her candidacy, which, combined with other weaknesses--Libya, Honduras, the Clinton Foundation, all her "baggage," and the history of the Clintons and all their "baggage," and some very unpopular policies such as support for "free trade for the rich," as well as her very bad numbers on trustworthiness and likability, and new polls in which she loses to Trump --add up to very bad news for the Democratic Party. On top of everything else, she polls miserably among Independents (now 40+% of the electorate!).

I am a 50+ year member of the Democratic Party. I CARE what happens to my party. I don't want this candidate. She is much too vulnerable to Trump, and the story of her email server points to her inability to protect herself from attack if she becomes president. What she did was not only the likely violation of several laws and national security protocols, it was incompetent. She left herself wide open. She didn't even understand that her server had NOT been wiped! The FBI recovered all her emails, many of which were work emails (with Clinton having said they weren't), and some of which contained national security documents and information! Her fluttery response that she didn't really know what she was doing when she wiped her server (or thought she had wiped it) just won't do. She can't make mistakes like that!

It is a cumulative effect. She seems to trail scandal wherever she goes, and will trail it right into the White House, if she manages to beat Trump. That won't be good either, with a RW Congress. Even if the FBI doesn't recommend indictment, or even if they don't come out with a damaging report short of indictment, that is NOT going to stop RW morons who smell blood. Her presidency will be under siege from day one. No $12/hr for us peons. She won't have a thought to give to the rest of us.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
100. Bernie doesn't get to change the rules for nomination
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:40 AM
May 2016

That have been voted into place by elected reps to the DNC. The total pledged delegates amount to 4051. 2026 is the amount needed to surpass half of them. She needs only 36% of the remaining pledged delegates to achieve that amount. The 2383 number includes super delegates, and with them included she needs only 9% of all remaining delegates. The supers are meant to be part of the process and the rapidly shifting arguments from the Sanders campaign regarding them does not have any bearing on the actual rules. Rather it shows that he has resigned on the agreement he made to abide by those rules when he decided to use the party to advance his candidacy. What is impossible is for Bernie to become the nominee through the votes of the electorate, including Californians. Their votes will be part of the total, but even if he pulls off an upset and wins, he will not be able to catch up to Clintons lead in pledged delegates. The margin he would need is formidable, some 70% considering he will certainly lose NJ, PR, and DC. (Or 68% of all those states.) That is simply to reach half of pledged delegates and doesn't factor in supers.

As much as Bernie and Weaver feel entitled to unilaterally proclaim a change in rules in order to throw the convention into disarray, the party continues to operate under rules voted into place by Democrats, delegates to prior conventions and elected members to the DNC, and that means the supers are figured into the 2383 total. Now I understand you and many other Sanders supporters want matters more that technicalities like democracy, equal rights, and majority rule, but there is no way a candidate who trails by 3 million votes is going to seize power through extra-democratic means. At some point you all are going to have to come to terms with the fact that other voters have a say in the process and that the party does not exist to serve you to the exclusion of the majority. Now I understand the notion of one person one vote is an anathema to those convinced of their inherent superiority over the majority, and that Bernie believes he is entitled to nullify the votes of the majority--of the women, people of color and elderly, union members, disabled, and others who he has determined are worth less because they failled to vote for him. Alas, he will not succeed In stripping the majority of voting rights, and you will just have to face the fact that you cannot always get your way. That your post highlights what you want so centrally suggests to me that not getting your way may be a new experience for you. You simply will have to deal with it because ultimately your vote is equal to but not better than anyone else's.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
92. You will not be able to reason with some of these folks bains, their hatred blinds them to any sense
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:22 AM
May 2016

of objective reasoning

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
96. That may be, but the bias may be so strong against Hillary that common ground will not be found
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
57. LOL
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

Is that what constitutes proof to y'all?

God, help me. This election has become so surreal I can't even tell if people are joking anymore.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
71. Dis I say it was proof? I've never for a fact said that Guccifer got into her server.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

But the odds are that he and others did.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
70. To the archives!
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:36 PM
May 2016

One of my favorite Peterman scenes was when he was at home and it was all basic.

zappaman

(20,627 posts)
111. It came from a 6 old who was asked to come up with a band name
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:58 AM
May 2016

And it's first album cover?

George II

(67,782 posts)
114. Where DID it come from? I think you're using that to imply that it came from Clinton's...
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:44 PM
May 2016

....server. If so, we need more than that. Thank you.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
64. Please provide a link that says that because THAT'S NOT TRUE.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

An unnamed source probably said there was "no evidence of hacking." If that's even true, that doesn't say it wasn't hacked. A good hacker would cover up.

That line was something put out there after Pagliano's immunity was revealed. In other words it's highly suspect SPIN.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
68. It says what I said it would...
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

"no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s emails."

So first, a "source close to the federal investigation" NOT the Feds as you claimed.

And second, it said "no evidence of foreign hacking." Hell, now that I read that, it sounds like there maybe there was evidence of domestic hacking. But regardless, like I said, no evidence of hacking is not the same as "not hacked."

So once again, please provide a link where the feds said it wasn't hacked.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
72. That's the link I have
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

You can search as well. I know nothing of computer stuff but not being certifiable I do know that doodle posted above constitutes evidence of nothing.

Moreover, there needs to be proof it was hacked. Proving a negative is hardly a legal standard. It won't overturn the results of elections and impose Bernie as the nominee against the will of the electorate, no matter how badly her detractors want that to happen.

Let's not pretend you give a shit about evidence. If you did, you'd be saying something to the people posting the doodles claiming it was a smoking gun. No person, even those for whom you cannot disguise your contempt, have any obligation to provide proof of innocence. T'he burden is always on the prosecution.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
73. You're changing the subject.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:43 PM
May 2016

I'm not claiming the doodle is any proof of anything. It's a theory someone put out there. Please show me where I said anything about the doodles.

The only thing I did was call you out on claiming "the feds determined her server was not hacked." THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE.

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
80. You show your concerns by what you respond to
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:51 PM
May 2016

And in this particular case so strongly that you feel compelled. I'm pretty sure a fact checking site would rule my comment partly true or mostly true.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
85. Yes, I responded to an inaccurate statement.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

I don't know what a "fact check site" would rule on that claim. I do know your claim was wrong.

I will also tell you in my professional opinion, the server was hacked. Every other "self professed professional" opinion (I use the term self professed professional because these are random people on the internet I can't fact check) about the server security I have read was along the lines of "Oh dear god why would someone do that. It would be a miracle if that wasn't hacked." If you'd like, I can provide you lots of links to those.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
105. Kudos. The article is full of "weasel words."
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:26 AM
May 2016

In general, the NYT has been good to Hillary this primary season.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
99. Bwahahahahahah
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:14 AM
May 2016

She was using Micro$oft Remote Desktop, i.e. unsecured in the most basic understanding of the word secure. She opened a portal for information to the outside world you could drive a truck through and cover your tracks easy peasy.

Jesus Christ on a Honda.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
3. RW talking points
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

I'll never understand the fascination of people and conspiracy theories.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
35. The FBI investigation is no conspiracy. It is serious and could be fatal to the Democrats.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

I'll never understand Hillary supporters' inability to grasp the gravity of the situation. The head in the sand approach is not very wise.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
38. It's not head in the sand
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

With precedent of Petraeus and others previously and no intentional leaking or ill will, the likelihood of a real indictment with consequences are extremely low.

The likelihood of Bernie not winning the nomination are extremely high.

It's just reality.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
39. You'd better do more research--intent is not necessary to violate security laws.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:01 PM
May 2016

In addition, with respect to several things already known, intent may very well be provable.

The Democrats will lose in November if the FBI recommends indictment for whatever reason. That's about 50-50 right now. There doesn't have to be an indictment, just an FBI finding.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
42. Again precedent
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

You're busy making RW talking points.

Enjoy having your fantasies crushed when Democrats win in November with Hillary.

Jack Bone

(2,050 posts)
104. then she can break another ceiling of sorts....
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:57 AM
May 2016

1st Husband & Wife to be impeached.

this has got "ugly" written all over it...

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
4. Better hope it's just a bunch of yoga and recipes on there.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:38 PM
May 2016

Cause if not.......... and all I could offer are told ya so's and a serenade

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
13. Yes, and Hill was hypnotized by rightwingers when she did those things.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:55 PM
May 2016

What a powerful right wing. They even designed her logo with the arrow pointing right.

Leave her alone, rightwingers!

Arneoker

(375 posts)
14. Yes, they're going to indict her, any day now...
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

I mean after 20 years of all of this, it's about time!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
40. 20 years? The details of her foolish server operation have only been investigated for about a year.
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

That's the issue, not the many other cases over the years where Hillary's errors in judgment were questioned.

creeksneakers2

(8,016 posts)
86. At least this part is RW bullshit
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

"If the DOJ's ongoing "effort" to squash the probe - often in direct confronation with the FBI - is any indication,"

They have no evidence to make such a wild accusation. If the DOJ tried to cover this up, word would leak out. Comey certainly wouldn't shut up about it. It hasn't happened.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
53. I'm beginning to think that's true.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

It's going to be very messy sliding Bernie out of the way and installing Biden if Bernie is still in the race.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
7. I hope they also ask him about Vince Foster.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:47 PM
May 2016

I'm sure that such a reliable source had access to the secret email files the Clintons keep detailing the MURDERS they COMMITTED.

And what about the HORSES that DIED the day BEFORE the Preakness? Come clean KILLARY!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. Case is getting too convoluted. "Oh what a tangled web we weave..."
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

I should have read more detective stories back in the day.

Hi.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
33. Heh heh.....maybe tomorrow the headlines will bring more news....
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016
-snip-

Lazar is scheduled to appear in a Virginia courtroom Wednesday morning for a change of plea hearing. He is apparently finalizing a deal with the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office. His extradition to the U.S. came just as the FBI was reportedly in the throws of an investigation into Clinton’s private email server. An examination of the federal court docket for his case by LawNewz.com revealed two new entries that were both filed under seal. The fact that the documents were kept secret could be an indication that they contain information related to his plea deal that the feds or a judge wanted to keep under wraps.

“There may be something in his plea agreement that he agreed to testify against another individual and the government does not want that to be public so in this case the plea agreement (or another document related to it) could be sealed,” Page Pate, a criminal defense attorney, told LawNewz.com.

However, to be clear, since the paperwork was filed under seal, we don’t know for sure what it contains. The sealed docs could also include paperwork related to Lazar’s transfer to another detention facility to in preparation for court Wednesday.

Another reason for sealing documents, according to Pate, could be that the paperwork relates to a search warrant, cooperation agreement or the testimony of a witness. If the information is at all related to an ongoing investigation, the DOJ would want to keep that information confidential, at least for now. Interestingly, the two documents are the only entries that have been sealed in Lazar’s entire criminal case.


http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/secret-documents-filed-in-case-against-guccifer-who-says-he-hacked-clinton-server/


Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
12. Well, let's see what resources get dedicated to hearing this person out
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

The timing of this is just ....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Dear Diary: Day 18 of the Guccifer Revelations.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

It's looking cloudy outside. I should take my umbrella.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. Truly a dishonest headline.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

I'm so glad I'm not in your position. You should grab an etch a sketch and make your own little doodle, hold it up to your monitor, and dream you are hacking into Clintons email. Keep the tissues nearby.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. Your op is the spin. Truly a dishonest headline.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

Once again, glad I'm not in your position with the need to distract with gifs and calling others out for spin as you spread lies.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
25. And I'm glad not to be in your position pushing talking points....
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

You still haven't provided any evidence that this header (not mine) is dishonest.

If anyone is spinning, its you!.......check your rpm's.....I believe after 20,000 you will burst into flames.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Pretty relaxed here.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

See my original post to you.

You should also give your horse a break. Your spin is tiring it to the point of abuse.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
32. The horse is relaxing and only showing others who suffer from brittle reasoning
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

how to let loose and disconnect......don't worry about the horse, she's just fine and well taken care of.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
28. How come you're not being glib, condescending, and sassy?
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

Why, I hardly knew ya, NC.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. I'm a generally very happy person.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

I even find my shots to be fun.

Don't hate me. I really like most of the people here.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
24. wouldnt it be disasterous if he had copies of e-mails she destroyed
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

Classified e-mails, or swap trades thru the Foundation. Makes more sense.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
54. Thoses emails where recovered.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

The emails where all backup by 3rd party hosting company that was then backed up to a cloud server. This was not known to Clinton until after the fact of the FBI taking possession of the backup server. Her provider did not even know that company was backing up the snap shoot of the server. This is why the FBI case has been going on so long because of one little thing has lead to another piling onto the case.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
91. Verdddy Interestink! Thank you Love it!
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

sounds like a rabbit warren where things can be horribly mis-interpreted. I hope she has friends in the FBI

apnu

(8,790 posts)
26. I look forward to seeing proof of the hack.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

I want to know the exploit & see the logs.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
55. I'll wager this was at least one of the exploits....
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:05 PM
May 2016
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms12-020 (that's the one any script kiddie like Guccifer could use).

Unfortunately I don't have any logs for you but she was running open RDP and VNC ports "for convenience."

I'm sure the Chinese, Russians, and North Koreans all used different zero day exploits...

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
94. Guccifer said in one of his interviews he gave the Russians and China and one other country
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

copies of the material he had acquired from Hillary's server.

Sam

Bob41213

(491 posts)
107. He had no need. They would have got in on their own.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

The Chinese absolutely no doubt in my mind read everything she did in real time. Here's the scenario.

About 1 month into her SOS service she travels to China.

Her server lacks encryption at this time. Anyone watching her traffic could see everything she sent and received (probably her password as well).

She used her unsecure blackberry while traveling in China.

Do you think the Chinese monitor phone traffic? Do you think they saw everything? Do you think they noticed her server? Do you think they have competent hackers? They didn't even need a server that lacked encryption, I'm sure they had no trouble getting into a Microsoft server that was poorly setup.

Bottom line, Chinese read everything she did the entire time she was SOS guaranteed.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
112. I have read this information before and I agree with everything you say
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

It has been a debacle all along.

Sam

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
29. It would be rich if an extradited hacker named Guccifer proves more honest than Hillary or Obama.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

I look forward to seeing the results and say "let the chips fall where they may".

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
36. One bad thing about this is Guccifer's entry means the investigation will go on longer.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

It would be better for all concerned (except republicans) if the investigation were completed quickly.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
37. and if Guccifer pleads guilty to hacking Blumenthal's email account...
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

....there will be proof that HRC allowed classified information to be vulnerable to attacks.

jimw81

(111 posts)
49. please read the bold material
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

Blumenthal is more at risk of charges than hillary because she protected under this executive order done in 2009 in which she had the power and streamline classified information

https://t.co/EdZ1lLREB7

World | Tue May 24, 2016 3:03pm EDT Related: U.S.
Hacker who exposed Hillary Clinton's email server expected to plead guilty
WASHINGTON | BY MARK HOSENBALL

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-clinton-emails-hacker-idUSKCN0YF2KZ

A Romanian computer hacker who revealed the existence of a private email server used by Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state is expected to plead guilty to hacking-related offenses, a U.S. law enforcement official said on Tuesday.

Accused hacker Marcel Lazar, who used the alias "Guccifer," is scheduled to enter a guilty plea at a hearing early on Wednesday before Judge James Cacheris in U.S. District Court, Alexandria, Virginia, said the official.

He was indicted on charges including wire fraud, unauthorized access of protected computer, aggravated identity theft, cyberstalking and obstruction of justice.

The official and another person familiar with the Guccifer investigation, who asked not to be named ahead of the proceedings, said Lazar's plea would not validate claims he has made in recent media interviews about successfully hacking the email server Clinton installed at her home in Chappaqua, New York. She used it to handle both official and personal message traffic when she was Secretary of State.

The two sources said the U.S. investigation of Lazar turned up no evidence to support the hacker's claims that he had broken into Clinton's private server. Its contents and operations are the focus of an FBI investigation.

Lazar's public defender, Shannon Quill, did not respond to a request for comment.

In an interview with NBC News before his extradition from Romania, Lazar claimed that Clinton's private server "was like an open orchid on the internet."

Clinton, law enforcement and national security officials have said there is no evidence that Guccifer or any other unauthorized or outside party breached Clinton's private server.

None of the State Department-related message traffic that moved through the private server when Clinton served as secretary of state was marked and treated as classified.

However, among the targets of Guccifer's hacking was an AOL email account used by Sidney Blumenthal, a former Clinton White House aide and unofficial adviser.

Blumenthal's lengthy memos to Clinton on foreign policy were sent to her private server. Guccifer's publication of a set of these messages led to the exposure of Clinton's unconventional email arrangement.

Reviews by government departments, including two spy agencies, found that dozens of messages that moved through Clinton's private server contained classified information, including material the government later deemed top secret.

But officials also said none of the classified material in Clinton's servers included whole documents copied word for word from secret government servers.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
87. Written by someone who took as a pen name, literally, the psychotic delusion of an insomniac (nt)
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
58. OP title is misleading. It should be: "Hacker WHO CLAIMS he got inside Hillary's server. nt
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:04 PM
May 2016

LuvLoogie

(8,815 posts)
79. I am best hacker in the planet. I hacks the Hillary server. She haves lots of Hanky Panky.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:50 PM
May 2016

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
103. I thought the convicted hacker inside of Sidney Blumenthal's server
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016

He simply got HRC email address but not the content of her emails.

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