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Related: About this forumHACKER Who Got INSIDE Hillary Clinton's Server Said To Cooperate FULLY w Ongoing Email Investigation
In the latest twist, Politico reports, Lazar is now expected to plead guilty this week, clearing the way for his unfettered cooperation with federal prosecutors, suggesting that all of his heretofore unverified claims about hacking into Hillary's server will be duly investigated. If confirmed, this could open a new chapter in the FBI's criminal probe into Hillary's email use and/or abuse. As Politico adds, Lazar is scheduled to appear in federal court in Alexandria, Va. Wednesday morning for a change of plea hearing, according to court records. A prosecution spokesman did not immediately respond to a message seeking confirmation that the guilty plea is part of a plea bargain with prosecutors. A defense attorney declined to comment. Such plea deals usually oblige a defendant to assist authorities in all ongoing investigations.
Lazar was indicted in 2014 on nine felony charges stemming from his alleged hack into the emails of several prominent Americans, including former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a relative of former President George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, and former Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal. A set of Blumenthal's emails were published online in 2013, disclosing a private email address Clinton used. She later changed the address. Allegedly, Hillary's personal email server was also among those hacked.
Clinton's email arrangement is the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation, believed to be focused on how email messages deemed classified wound up on her server. Some reports have speculated that Lazar could demonstrate how vulnerable Clinton's unusual email set-up was to foreign hackers, but it's unclear how significant that fact would be to a decision about whether to seek criminal charges against Clinton or others involved in creating or using the unofficial email system. If the DOJ's ongoing "effort" to squash the probe - often in direct confronation with the FBI - is any indication, even full data dump by the Romanian may not spur any action, unless of course it is Obama's intention to thaw the DOJ out of its deep freeze slumber right before the Democratic convention and somehow insert Joe Biden as the presumptive presidentical candidate.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/hacker-who-got-inside-hillary-clintons-server-said-cooperate-fully-ongoing-email-inv
Segami
(14,923 posts)Biden is getting his teeth twinkle ready......
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)And had no evidence of having breached the server? Is it really necessary to do the GOP's work for them?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)
Segami
(14,923 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)What "explanation" exactly does that require?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)If she scanned it and sent it to Blumenthal, I suppose it's possible, it just kind of surprised me you buy this given that you're usually pretty skeptical of stuff.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)As those have already been released. We would be able to see the email that these would have been attached. For me the only other plausible place would be the Clinton library but that would mean that he hacked that as well. The reason I'm leaning towards the server is because the original one that Brian Pagliano built was partially comprised of Bill's old server.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)(I'm assuming that's who that's a drawing of.)
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)for the most bizarre allegation and supposed proof in history.
arikara
(5,562 posts)Anthony Weiner.
Weird doodle at any rate, or I'm missing the point of it.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)all anti-Democrat, anti-liberal. Is there another source? How do you know Clinton drew that picture? And if it that image had been previously published, couldn't Guccifer haven't gotten it from there? And seriously, if the point is to provide evidence of hacking, why not release a classified document?
When you are at the point where you think something like that constitutes evidence, you have to seriously check yourself. Is that really the kind of person you want to be?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I would have used Gawker, The Verge or Wired otherwise.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/5/5178472/clinton-doodles-leaked-by-same-hacker-george-w-bush-artwork
Artists forge Rembrandt and Monet. You don't think any one of millions of people around the world could mock up a doodle like that?
Seriously. This is just sad.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)It's just another piece of the puzzle.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)just not the one you're thinking of.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)but it also is a scam. See post #56
pnwmom
(110,261 posts)BainsBane
(57,757 posts)Holy fucking shit.
I give up.
I have no idea what the fuck that thing is or why you all are so certain it's a doodle by Clinton. I would simply point out that if he had really hacked her server, don't you think it could have released something more convincing?
I don't even know why I'm trying to have a discussion here. Clearly it's a lost cause.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I don't know why but this guy was extradited under highly unusual circumstances and the timing doesn't help Clinton. Also if you read what he said about his server. He said it wasn't very interesting so I could see why the images stood out.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/5/5178472/clinton-doodles-leaked-by-same-hacker-george-w-bush-artwork
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)that is the single most bizarre claim I have ever seen in my entire life.
As for your other post saying you didn't claim it was proof, this is what you said, verbatim:
That suggests you believe it serious enough to warrant a response. I don't even know how one gets to that point in their head.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Much like yours. Not dealing with the question but rather talking about how it shouldn't be brought up. Do I think it came from the server? It definitely looks that way but I'm definitely not sure but I definitely don't think they are fake.
The fact remains this came from the guy who's currently in Federal custody.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)That according to the RW Washington Times, who would love nothing more than to bury her.
People respond this way to you because it's absurd. It's a fucking doodle anyone could have done. If it were a classified document hitherto unreleased to the press, you'd have a point.
I'm content to let the FBI deal with any server related breaches, but then I don't have a stake in overturning the results of popular elections in hope that Bernie will be installed as nominee against the will of the electorate. Just to let you know, it's not going to happen, ever, no matter how many smoking gun cartoons you post.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Help Biden or trump into the WH. Especially this late in the game.
I'm content to let the FBI do its job as well but that doesn't mean I'm not going to discuss the issues at hand.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)... the nomination before the convention.
https://www.facebook.com/susan.sanders.35325/videos/636912853123585/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046916#post3
Seems unassailable to me. Even with generous "math" allowances for Clinton, she CAN'T gain the 672 pledged delegates she needs in the remaining states. It is mathematically impossible--unless Sanders withdraws and he ain't gonna, cuz he surely understands that Clinton CANNOT win 80% of the vote in the remaining states.
You say, "I don't have a stake in overturning the results of popular elections." Neither do Sanders supporters. But it ain't over yet, you see. There is no final result of "popular elections" in existence, especially with the largest state in the union, California, still to vote.
The MSNBC analyst, after guestimating generous numbers for Clinton for the next primaries that are not California, he comes to California, and the number he has arrived at means that Clinton must win 90% to 95% of California's pledged delegates to go over the top! Not gonna happen.
On the FBI's investigation of Clinton, I don't think you understand why Sanders supporters and others are interested in what is known about Clinton's private email server and what the FBI will report to the DoJ.
It's not just that the FBI report could knock her out of the race--which it could--it's that this may be a fatal weakness of her candidacy, which, combined with other weaknesses--Libya, Honduras, the Clinton Foundation, all her "baggage," and the history of the Clintons and all their "baggage," and some very unpopular policies such as support for "free trade for the rich," as well as her very bad numbers on trustworthiness and likability, and new polls in which she loses to Trump --add up to very bad news for the Democratic Party. On top of everything else, she polls miserably among Independents (now 40+% of the electorate!).
I am a 50+ year member of the Democratic Party. I CARE what happens to my party. I don't want this candidate. She is much too vulnerable to Trump, and the story of her email server points to her inability to protect herself from attack if she becomes president. What she did was not only the likely violation of several laws and national security protocols, it was incompetent. She left herself wide open. She didn't even understand that her server had NOT been wiped! The FBI recovered all her emails, many of which were work emails (with Clinton having said they weren't), and some of which contained national security documents and information! Her fluttery response that she didn't really know what she was doing when she wiped her server (or thought she had wiped it) just won't do. She can't make mistakes like that!
It is a cumulative effect. She seems to trail scandal wherever she goes, and will trail it right into the White House, if she manages to beat Trump. That won't be good either, with a RW Congress. Even if the FBI doesn't recommend indictment, or even if they don't come out with a damaging report short of indictment, that is NOT going to stop RW morons who smell blood. Her presidency will be under siege from day one. No $12/hr for us peons. She won't have a thought to give to the rest of us.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)That have been voted into place by elected reps to the DNC. The total pledged delegates amount to 4051. 2026 is the amount needed to surpass half of them. She needs only 36% of the remaining pledged delegates to achieve that amount. The 2383 number includes super delegates, and with them included she needs only 9% of all remaining delegates. The supers are meant to be part of the process and the rapidly shifting arguments from the Sanders campaign regarding them does not have any bearing on the actual rules. Rather it shows that he has resigned on the agreement he made to abide by those rules when he decided to use the party to advance his candidacy. What is impossible is for Bernie to become the nominee through the votes of the electorate, including Californians. Their votes will be part of the total, but even if he pulls off an upset and wins, he will not be able to catch up to Clintons lead in pledged delegates. The margin he would need is formidable, some 70% considering he will certainly lose NJ, PR, and DC. (Or 68% of all those states.) That is simply to reach half of pledged delegates and doesn't factor in supers.
As much as Bernie and Weaver feel entitled to unilaterally proclaim a change in rules in order to throw the convention into disarray, the party continues to operate under rules voted into place by Democrats, delegates to prior conventions and elected members to the DNC, and that means the supers are figured into the 2383 total. Now I understand you and many other Sanders supporters want matters more that technicalities like democracy, equal rights, and majority rule, but there is no way a candidate who trails by 3 million votes is going to seize power through extra-democratic means. At some point you all are going to have to come to terms with the fact that other voters have a say in the process and that the party does not exist to serve you to the exclusion of the majority. Now I understand the notion of one person one vote is an anathema to those convinced of their inherent superiority over the majority, and that Bernie believes he is entitled to nullify the votes of the majority--of the women, people of color and elderly, union members, disabled, and others who he has determined are worth less because they failled to vote for him. Alas, he will not succeed In stripping the majority of voting rights, and you will just have to face the fact that you cannot always get your way. That your post highlights what you want so centrally suggests to me that not getting your way may be a new experience for you. You simply will have to deal with it because ultimately your vote is equal to but not better than anyone else's.
still_one
(98,883 posts)of objective reasoning
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)that poster seems nice enough.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Is that what constitutes proof to y'all?
God, help me. This election has become so surreal I can't even tell if people are joking anymore.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But the odds are that he and others did.
George II
(67,782 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)One of my favorite Peterman scenes was when he was at home and it was all basic.
George II
(67,782 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)And it's still fun to watch!
zappaman
(20,627 posts)And it's first album cover?
Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....server. If so, we need more than that. Thank you.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)so I don't doubt he got in.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)and determined it had not been hacked.
Bob41213
(491 posts)An unnamed source probably said there was "no evidence of hacking." If that's even true, that doesn't say it wasn't hacked. A good hacker would cover up.
That line was something put out there after Pagliano's immunity was revealed. In other words it's highly suspect SPIN.
Now, I understand the New York Times doesn't compare to the great right-wing publication Hornnews, but nothing's perfect.
Bob41213
(491 posts)"no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clintons emails."
So first, a "source close to the federal investigation" NOT the Feds as you claimed.
And second, it said "no evidence of foreign hacking." Hell, now that I read that, it sounds like there maybe there was evidence of domestic hacking. But regardless, like I said, no evidence of hacking is not the same as "not hacked."
So once again, please provide a link where the feds said it wasn't hacked.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)You can search as well. I know nothing of computer stuff but not being certifiable I do know that doodle posted above constitutes evidence of nothing.
Moreover, there needs to be proof it was hacked. Proving a negative is hardly a legal standard. It won't overturn the results of elections and impose Bernie as the nominee against the will of the electorate, no matter how badly her detractors want that to happen.
Let's not pretend you give a shit about evidence. If you did, you'd be saying something to the people posting the doodles claiming it was a smoking gun. No person, even those for whom you cannot disguise your contempt, have any obligation to provide proof of innocence. T'he burden is always on the prosecution.
Bob41213
(491 posts)I'm not claiming the doodle is any proof of anything. It's a theory someone put out there. Please show me where I said anything about the doodles.
The only thing I did was call you out on claiming "the feds determined her server was not hacked." THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE.
BainsBane
(57,757 posts)And in this particular case so strongly that you feel compelled. I'm pretty sure a fact checking site would rule my comment partly true or mostly true.
Bob41213
(491 posts)I don't know what a "fact check site" would rule on that claim. I do know your claim was wrong.
I will also tell you in my professional opinion, the server was hacked. Every other "self professed professional" opinion (I use the term self professed professional because these are random people on the internet I can't fact check) about the server security I have read was along the lines of "Oh dear god why would someone do that. It would be a miracle if that wasn't hacked." If you'd like, I can provide you lots of links to those.
merrily
(45,251 posts)In general, the NYT has been good to Hillary this primary season.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)She was using Micro$oft Remote Desktop, i.e. unsecured in the most basic understanding of the word secure. She opened a portal for information to the outside world you could drive a truck through and cover your tracks easy peasy.
Jesus Christ on a Honda.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)see post #56 for insight into Zerohedge.com
metroins
(2,550 posts)I'll never understand the fascination of people and conspiracy theories.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)I'll never understand Hillary supporters' inability to grasp the gravity of the situation. The head in the sand approach is not very wise.
metroins
(2,550 posts)With precedent of Petraeus and others previously and no intentional leaking or ill will, the likelihood of a real indictment with consequences are extremely low.
The likelihood of Bernie not winning the nomination are extremely high.
It's just reality.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)In addition, with respect to several things already known, intent may very well be provable.
The Democrats will lose in November if the FBI recommends indictment for whatever reason. That's about 50-50 right now. There doesn't have to be an indictment, just an FBI finding.
metroins
(2,550 posts)You're busy making RW talking points.
Enjoy having your fantasies crushed when Democrats win in November with Hillary.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Jack Bone
(2,050 posts)1st Husband & Wife to be impeached.
this has got "ugly" written all over it...
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Cause if not..........
and all I could offer are told ya so's and a serenade
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What a powerful right wing. They even designed her logo with the arrow pointing right.
Leave her alone, rightwingers!
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)
Arneoker
(375 posts)I mean after 20 years of all of this, it's about time!
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)That's the issue, not the many other cases over the years where Hillary's errors in judgment were questioned.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)waiting for that sacred indictment.
creeksneakers2
(8,016 posts)"If the DOJ's ongoing "effort" to squash the probe - often in direct confronation with the FBI - is any indication,"
They have no evidence to make such a wild accusation. If the DOJ tried to cover this up, word would leak out. Comey certainly wouldn't shut up about it. It hasn't happened.
Chasstev365
(7,798 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)It's going to be very messy sliding Bernie out of the way and installing Biden if Bernie is still in the race.
annavictorious
(934 posts)I'm sure that such a reliable source had access to the secret email files the Clintons keep detailing the MURDERS they COMMITTED.
And what about the HORSES that DIED the day BEFORE the Preakness? Come clean KILLARY!
senz
(11,945 posts)Must make it much easier to be honest.
Segami
(14,923 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I should have read more detective stories back in the day.
Hi.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Lazar is scheduled to appear in a Virginia courtroom Wednesday morning for a change of plea hearing. He is apparently finalizing a deal with the FBI and the U.S. Attorneys office. His extradition to the U.S. came just as the FBI was reportedly in the throws of an investigation into Clintons private email server. An examination of the federal court docket for his case by LawNewz.com revealed two new entries that were both filed under seal. The fact that the documents were kept secret could be an indication that they contain information related to his plea deal that the feds or a judge wanted to keep under wraps.
There may be something in his plea agreement that he agreed to testify against another individual and the government does not want that to be public so in this case the plea agreement (or another document related to it) could be sealed, Page Pate, a criminal defense attorney, told LawNewz.com.
However, to be clear, since the paperwork was filed under seal, we dont know for sure what it contains. The sealed docs could also include paperwork related to Lazars transfer to another detention facility to in preparation for court Wednesday.
Another reason for sealing documents, according to Pate, could be that the paperwork relates to a search warrant, cooperation agreement or the testimony of a witness. If the information is at all related to an ongoing investigation, the DOJ would want to keep that information confidential, at least for now. Interestingly, the two documents are the only entries that have been sealed in Lazars entire criminal case.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/secret-documents-filed-in-case-against-guccifer-who-says-he-hacked-clinton-server/
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The timing of this is just ....
randome
(34,845 posts)It's looking cloudy outside. I should take my umbrella.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm so glad I'm not in your position. You should grab an etch a sketch and make your own little doodle, hold it up to your monitor, and dream you are hacking into Clintons email. Keep the tissues nearby.
Segami
(14,923 posts)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Once again, glad I'm not in your position with the need to distract with gifs and calling others out for spin as you spread lies.
Segami
(14,923 posts)You still haven't provided any evidence that this header (not mine) is dishonest.
If anyone is spinning, its you!.......check your rpm's.....I believe after 20,000 you will burst into flames.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)See my original post to you.
You should also give your horse a break. Your spin is tiring it to the point of abuse.
Segami
(14,923 posts)how to let loose and disconnect......don't worry about the horse, she's just fine and well taken care of.
senz
(11,945 posts)Why, I hardly knew ya, NC.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I even find my shots to be fun.
Don't hate me. I really like most of the people here.
senz
(11,945 posts)Uh-huh.
Man you are on a roll today.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Classified e-mails, or swap trades thru the Foundation. Makes more sense.
TimPlo
(443 posts)The emails where all backup by 3rd party hosting company that was then backed up to a cloud server. This was not known to Clinton until after the fact of the FBI taking possession of the backup server. Her provider did not even know that company was backing up the snap shoot of the server. This is why the FBI case has been going on so long because of one little thing has lead to another piling onto the case.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)sounds like a rabbit warren where things can be horribly mis-interpreted. I hope she has friends in the FBI
apnu
(8,790 posts)I want to know the exploit & see the logs.
Bob41213
(491 posts)Unfortunately I don't have any logs for you but she was running open RDP and VNC ports "for convenience."
I'm sure the Chinese, Russians, and North Koreans all used different zero day exploits...
Samantha
(9,314 posts)copies of the material he had acquired from Hillary's server.
Sam
Bob41213
(491 posts)The Chinese absolutely no doubt in my mind read everything she did in real time. Here's the scenario.
About 1 month into her SOS service she travels to China.
Her server lacks encryption at this time. Anyone watching her traffic could see everything she sent and received (probably her password as well).
She used her unsecure blackberry while traveling in China.
Do you think the Chinese monitor phone traffic? Do you think they saw everything? Do you think they noticed her server? Do you think they have competent hackers? They didn't even need a server that lacked encryption, I'm sure they had no trouble getting into a Microsoft server that was poorly setup.
Bottom line, Chinese read everything she did the entire time she was SOS guaranteed.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)It has been a debacle all along.
Sam
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I look forward to seeing the results and say "let the chips fall where they may".
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It would be better for all concerned (except republicans) if the investigation were completed quickly.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....there will be proof that HRC allowed classified information to be vulnerable to attacks.
jimw81
(111 posts)Blumenthal is more at risk of charges than hillary because she protected under this executive order done in 2009 in which she had the power and streamline classified information
https://t.co/EdZ1lLREB7
World | Tue May 24, 2016 3:03pm EDT Related: U.S.
Hacker who exposed Hillary Clinton's email server expected to plead guilty
WASHINGTON | BY MARK HOSENBALL
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-clinton-emails-hacker-idUSKCN0YF2KZ
A Romanian computer hacker who revealed the existence of a private email server used by Hillary Clinton when she was secretary of state is expected to plead guilty to hacking-related offenses, a U.S. law enforcement official said on Tuesday.
Accused hacker Marcel Lazar, who used the alias "Guccifer," is scheduled to enter a guilty plea at a hearing early on Wednesday before Judge James Cacheris in U.S. District Court, Alexandria, Virginia, said the official.
He was indicted on charges including wire fraud, unauthorized access of protected computer, aggravated identity theft, cyberstalking and obstruction of justice.
The official and another person familiar with the Guccifer investigation, who asked not to be named ahead of the proceedings, said Lazar's plea would not validate claims he has made in recent media interviews about successfully hacking the email server Clinton installed at her home in Chappaqua, New York. She used it to handle both official and personal message traffic when she was Secretary of State.
The two sources said the U.S. investigation of Lazar turned up no evidence to support the hacker's claims that he had broken into Clinton's private server. Its contents and operations are the focus of an FBI investigation.
Lazar's public defender, Shannon Quill, did not respond to a request for comment.
In an interview with NBC News before his extradition from Romania, Lazar claimed that Clinton's private server "was like an open orchid on the internet."
Clinton, law enforcement and national security officials have said there is no evidence that Guccifer or any other unauthorized or outside party breached Clinton's private server.
None of the State Department-related message traffic that moved through the private server when Clinton served as secretary of state was marked and treated as classified.
However, among the targets of Guccifer's hacking was an AOL email account used by Sidney Blumenthal, a former Clinton White House aide and unofficial adviser.
Blumenthal's lengthy memos to Clinton on foreign policy were sent to her private server. Guccifer's publication of a set of these messages led to the exposure of Clinton's unconventional email arrangement.
Reviews by government departments, including two spy agencies, found that dozens of messages that moved through Clinton's private server contained classified information, including material the government later deemed top secret.
But officials also said none of the classified material in Clinton's servers included whole documents copied word for word from secret government servers.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)"I DO believe in fairies!"
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Maybe we can start a gofundme acct.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)He simply got HRC email address but not the content of her emails.