June 14. Hasten the day!

[MineralMan]

Primaries will be over and we can begin fighting Donald Trump instead of each other. We have an election to win, and I'm all in.

[IdaBriggs]

1. Contested convention. All the way to July!!! nt

[JaneyVee]

3. LOL.

[MineralMan]

5. Good luck, Ida.

You'll be on your own, though. I won't have time Fletcher.

[IdaBriggs]

16. The FBI stuff appears to be almost done.

The hacker is finalizing a plea deal with FBI and DOJ tomorrow. The anonymous grand jury judge granted immunity to the IT guy a few months ago. The DOJ lawyer team is known for their speed and skill. The aides have been interviewed. Blumenthal acts like he has been interviewed. The deleted emails recovered and sorted. Some of the other players look like they are getting set for their own interviews.

It would be nice if it was over sooner if she's guilty of what it looks like she's guilty of....

[Fumesucker]

17. That's why the push to get Bernie to drop out has become so strong

It's going to be a bit awkward parachuting Joe Biden into the nomination if Bernie hasn't conceded yet.

Losing to Trump would be nowhere near as catastrophic as winning with Bernie

[TimPlo]

29. Naw no candidate ever concedes in a primary.

They suspend their campaign. Just in case. The DC bubble heads don't care about awkward parachuting Joe Biden into the nomination I mean look at blatant bullshit they pulled this primary. Changing rules for camping fiance in middle of the primary and skirting the laws to funnel money from States to DNC into Clinton's campaign.

[MineralMan]

18. Yah...keep listening to those

right-wingers and "former" experts. Seeya...

[IdaBriggs]

22. Okay.

[Demsrule86]

31. We told you over and over

This is right wing bull shit...there is nothing to it.

[SFnomad]

8. First Ballot ... Secretary Clinton ... No Contest n/t

[Demsrule86]

32. There is no such thing as a contested convention

Supers will vote with Hillary as she has the most delegates...in on first ballot and Bernie looks foolish if he does not concede after California.

[Tal Vez]

2. I'm with you. Criticizing Mr. Tangerine Man is a pleasure.

[SFnomad]

4. Don't have to wait that long, June 7th Secretary Clinton will be the Presumptive Democratic Nominee

[MineralMan]

7. Still the DC primary, though.

Primaries aren't over until then.

[SFnomad]

9. Understand ... but she will still be the Presumptive Nominee n/t

[MineralMan]

12. She already is, but that's not official on DU.

June 14. It becomes official on DU then.

[SFnomad]

15. No, she is not officially either ... she needs about 100 delegates for that

They called Obama the Presumptive Nominee once he had enough Pledged and Superdelegates to clinch the nomination. Secretary Clinton should get that with New Jersey on the 7th.

[merrily]

11. Media's been calling her that since 2012, so we're quite used to hearing it.

[SFnomad]

19. No, they haven't ... but go ahead, pout some more. They were certainly calling Secretary Clinton

the frontrunner, but that's a far cry from being the Presumptive Nominee which will happen June 7th.

[merrily]

20. They've been calling her presumptive nominee as well. Sorry if you missed it, but

that doesn't mean it hasn't been happening.

Pout? LOL!

[SFnomad]

21. I'm sure you can find lots of examples of it ... right? But they weren't. Like I said, they were

using the term frontrunner, which Secretary Clinton was. If anyone was using the term "Presumptive Nominee" two years ago, they were using it incorrectly. It has a specific meaning ... a person that has clinched the nomination, but before the party officially nominates that person. And again, that will happen on June 7th, not before.

[merrily]

24. Media used it, correctly in your opinion or not, whether you missed it or not, media used it.

[SFnomad]

25. But you can't find any examples of it ... can you?

You should be able to find lots of them, if they were using it so much that you're tired of hearing it.

[merrily]

34. Most likely could if I tried. Don't care enough to try.

This seems to be very important to you for some reason, as if media is some kind of infallible oracle. It's not to me. The fact is, I've heard it a lot for a long time and I could care less if you have heard it or not.

[SFnomad]

35. I didn't think you could find any ... n/t

[merrily]

36. I didn't look and I have zero reason to care what you thought.

[Jim Lane]

39. Oh, please, cut the bullshit.

Anyone who had a whit of political knowledge would know that the corporate media have deemed Clinton the "presumptive nominee" for quite a while now.

Since you and Agschmid purport to not know that, however, I took a bold step. I did the actual honest-to-FSM work that you two couldn't be bothered with. See, there's this thing called "Google". I usually don't use it, in fact, preferring duckduckgo, but I compromised in this instance so that you could more readily verify my assertions if you chose. I put in this search:

"Hillary Clinton" presumptive 2014

On the first page of the results I found a Washington Post op-ed from November 10, 2014 titled "Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ only hope", wherein we are told:

Hillary Clinton looms over the Democratic Party like Evita from her balcony. She is the presumptive presidential nominee, the likely one, the inevitable one, the one and only, the one before all others run in awe and panic. Behold the biggest and, in a sense, only thing in the Democratic Party. All she lacks is a song.

Obviously the usage wasn't universal, but the point is that Clinton has been referred to as the presumptive nominee since well before the first vote was cast.

As you can see, my research was neither arduous nor esoteric. (In fact, my referring to it as "work" may be more self-congratulation than I deserve.) In the time that you and Agschmid spent spewing snark at merrily, you could instead -- if you had possessed any intellectual integrity -- have ascertained the truth for yourselves.

[Agschmid]

42. So an opinion article from a right wing paper said it?

Got it.

[SFnomad]

43. Jim ... the poster said "we're quite used to hearing it" ... why don't you cut the bullshit

You might find a usage or two of it ... but it was nowhere near universal and nowhere near used enough to be "quite used to hearing it". Terms that were used frequently were "inevitable" and "frontrunner".

[Agschmid]

30. I also await the examples of the media using "presumptive nominee"...

[merrily]

33. If you expect me to dig around for TV broadcasts on this, you will wait a long time.

I recommend stocking up on snacks. See also Reply 34.

[Agschmid]

38. Oh I'm stocked on snacks... Don't worry about me.

...

I know, you weren't.

[Jim Lane]

40. Your attention is respectfully directed to #39 in this thread. (n/t)

[Agschmid]

41. I use an iPhone, if you want me to see a post link to it please.

I can't see what post is post #39.

[Jim Lane]

45. Actually, I tried to link to it when I originally posted, but for some reason that didn't work.

I tend to do a fair amount of linking anyway. Maybe it's my habit from editing Wikipedia, where (unlike on DU) raw assertions are discouraged. In this instance I thought I'd done what would produce a hyperlink but in preview it kept not displaying properly so I gave up.

I'm glad you found it without my help.

[Agschmid]

46. Yup.

[bvf]

13. Whistling in the dark.

[MineralMan]

14. Just whistle a happy tune, and no one will suspect...

That you're walking past a cemetery.

[bvf]

48. Hence the phrase.

Did you think it ever meant anything else?

You should blog or something.

[Autumn]

6. Take a nap or have a Snickers.

[MineralMan]

10. I'll be doing both. My Snickers this morning said

"Cranky" on the reverse. Accurate.

[merrily]

23. What you talk? He's rested, he's ready, he's "all in" for Hillary, after

only a brief interval of full-throated support for Bernie.

Well, maybe not full-throated, but certainly stated!

[baldguy]

26. Can't come too soon.

[bravenak]

27. PLEASE

[Demsrule86]

28. If he does not get out after

California, he will look sad and pathetic.

[merrily]

37. Not to me! And he already looks like everything bad to you. So, here's hoping he stays in.

[Jim Lane]

44. I bear good news. You can "begin fighting Donald Trump" RIGHT NOW!

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from doing, immediately, whatever fighting of Donald Trump you would do after June 7 or after June 14 or after the convention or after Bernie suspends his campaign or after Skinner implements the mass purge of Sanders supporters that some people are lusting for or after... well, you get the idea.

Here's one example. Within the past few weeks, many Clinton supporters have displayed a marked fascination with the finances of a small (and, let's be honest, insignificant) college. They reposted reports on the subject from 2011! Then they were all over the college's recent announcement of its closing.

All the time and energy that was spent on the multiple (yes, there were multiple) threads on that subject could have been spent on fighting Donald Trump. If we charitably assume that no one who posts on DU is being paid by Brock, and is therefore subject to his orders about what to post, then there was nothing preventing all those people from directing their aggression at Trump. That they didn't was strictly their choice.

[PufPuf23]

47. You forgot about the convention in July.

There is 5 plus weeks between the last primary and the start of the convention.