New polls released May 24 bolster Sander's argument that he's the best candidate to defeat Trump

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Americans' Dislike for Trump and Clinton Bolsters Sanders' Superdelegate Pitch
Widespread dislike for both frontrunners bolsters Sanders' argument to superdelegates that he's the best candidate to defeat Trump in November
by Nika Knight, staff writer
May 24, 2016

Most Americans can't stand the frontrunner of either major political party, a new NBC News/Survey Monkey poll released Tuesday has found.

Almost 60 percent of respondents said they "dislike" or "hate" Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton, and 63 percent said the same about Republican nominee Donald Trump.

In fact, the poll found that the roughly one-third of respondents on either side of the political aisle were voting for their candidate solely to defeat the other nominee.





Such findings bolster Sanders' recent arguments that if the Democratic Party truly wishes to defeat Trump in November, the party's superdelegates should choose Sanders to be the nominee. According to all recent polling, Sanders is a far stronger candidate than Clinton against Trump—a phenomenon political observers are finding harder and harder to ignore.

Indeed, even as a national polling average shows Trump besting Clinton for the first time this week, Sanders has maintained a significant lead against the real estate mogul.

The NBC News/Survey Monkey poll follows the trend, showing Clinton beating Trump by a slim four-point margin, while Sanders wins against Trump by a full 12 points:





http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/24/americans-dislike-trump-and-clinton-bolsters-sanders-superdelegate-pitch

[brooklynite]

1. Those are the "corporate polls" that Sanders people told us they didn't trust?

[pmorlan1]

2. We're not trying to convince Sanders people

this is for Hillary supporters who love corporate polls.

[Perogie]

5. You got owned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046068#post2

[oberliner]

3. The argument from Sanders is that the Super D's should overrule the pledged delegate results?

This is bizarro-world.

[SidDithers]

4. 1771 to 1499...

That's the only poll that matters right now.

Sid

[Mnpaul]

6. Position on issues 15%

Leadership 15%

and more people are voting - not Trump than those two combined

I can why they are looking for someone to blame.

[Gothmog]

7. Sanders has not been vetted and would be a horrible general election candidate

No one including people who like Sanders think that he has been fully vetted or that he is really electable http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/24/bernie-sanders-is-crushing-donald-trump-head-to-head-and-it-doesn-t-mean-a-thing.html

But I don’t know a single person whose opinions I really value, and I include here Sanders supporters I know, who takes these polls seriously. There’s one simple reason Sanders polls better against Trump than Clinton does, which is that no one (yet) knows anything negative about him. He’s gotten the freest ride a top-tier presidential candidate has ever gotten. The freest, bar none.

While he’s all but called Clinton a harlot, she’s barely said a word about him, at least since the very early days of the contest. And while Republicans have occasionally jibed at him, like Lindsey Graham’s actually quite funny remark that Sanders “went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon and I don’t think he ever came back,” in far more serious ways, Republican groups have worked to help Sanders weaken Clinton.

That would change on a dime if he became the nominee. I don’t think they’d even have to go into his radical past, although they surely would. Michelle Goldberg of Slate has written good pieces on this. He took some very hard-left and plainly anti-American positions. True, they might not matter to anyone under 45, but more than half of all voters are over 45. And then, big-P politics aside, there’s all that farkakte nonsense he wrote in The Vermont Freeman in the early ’70s about how we should let children touch each others’ genitals and such. Fine, it was 40-plus years ago but it’s out there, and it’s out there.

But if I were a conservative making anti-Sanders ads, I’d stick to taxes. An analysis earlier this year from the Tax Policy Center found that his proposals would raise taxes in the so-called middle quintile (40-60 percent) by $4,700 a year. A median household is around $53,000. Most such households pay an effective tax rate of around 11 percent, or $5,800. From $5,800 to $10,500 constitutes a 45 percent increase.

Sanders will respond that your average family will save that much in deductibles and co-payments, since there would be no more private health insurance. And in a way, he’d have a point—the average out-of-pocket expenses for a family health insurance plan in 2015 were around $4,900. But that is an average that combines families with one really sick person needing lots of care with families where they all just go see the doctor once a year, who spend far less. They’d lose out under socialized health, which Republicans would be sure to make clear.

But all the above suggests a rational discourse, and we know there’ll be no such thing during a campaign. It’ll just be: largest tax increase in American history (which will be true), and take away your doctor (which also might be true in a lot of cases). There’s a first time for everything I guess, but I don’t think anyone has ever won a presidential election proposing a 45 percent tax increase on people of modest incomes. And the increases would be a lot higher on the upper-middle-class households that tend to decide U.S. elections.

Bah, you say. Bernie can handle all these things. Plus, he’s going to get all those white working-class votes that Clinton will never get. It’s true, he will get some of those. But every yin has a yang. How is Sanders going to do with black and Latino voters? They won’t vote for Trump, obviously, but surely some percentage will just stay home. This will matter in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, maybe Michigan—all states were a depressed turnout from unenthused voters of color might make the difference. The media find discussing this a lot less interesting than they do nattering on about the white working class, but it’s real, and Trump is smart enough to get out there and say, “Remember, black people, Bernie said your votes weren’t legitimate.”

General election polls don’t reflect anything meaningful until nominees are chosen and running mates selected—that is, July. They especially don’t reflect anything meaningful when respondents know very little about one of the candidates they’re being asked about. Superdelegates know this, and it’s one reason why they’re not going to change. I don’t blame Sanders for touting these polls; any politician would. But everyone subjected to hearing him do so is entitled to be in on the joke.

Sanders has not been vetted and would be a horrible general election candidate