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CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:17 PM May 2016

WTF Is MSNBC Doing Showing Washington State Dem Primary Results When DEm Primary WON By Sanders

in March? Showing Hillary ahead... This is more PROPAGANDA... CORRUPTION ON A MASSIVE SYSTEMIC SCALE...


DESIGNED TO MIS REPRESENT FACT AND MISINFORM THE PUBLIC! ABSOLUTELY BEYOND THE PALL! THIS IS THE ESTABLISHMENT CORPORATE MEDIA! MSNBC is a RAT INFESTED Cesspool of Establishment shills!
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WTF Is MSNBC Doing Showing Washington State Dem Primary Results When DEm Primary WON By Sanders (Original Post) CorporatistNation May 2016 OP
Should they hide todays results. hrmjustin May 2016 #1
That was a caucus in March WhiteTara May 2016 #2
Ten times the votes with 30% in MattP May 2016 #3
Why would Bernie supporters be driven to vote? Skwmom May 2016 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #84
If the Sanders team knew Clinton would try to get a big win in the Washington non-bindnig primary onenote May 2016 #94
Bernie wins when less people vote Renew Deal May 2016 #4
Because the Washington State primary is today and includes a Presidential preference vote? Recursion May 2016 #5
The state holds a primary but the party allocated delegates through the caucus. RandySF May 2016 #6
So Once Again MSNBC Publicizes A MEANINGLESS "Contest!" That Bernie WON With 73% of VOTE! CorporatistNation May 2016 #17
Not meaningless...now that Hillary has won, the super delegates have a good reason to support her anotherproletariat May 2016 #50
My vote isn't meaningless MFM008 May 2016 #56
It is not meaningless Demsrule86 May 2016 #73
Hillary won the Higher Turn-out Primary last night. not the very low caucus. Congrats to Hillary.. riversedge May 2016 #89
If Bernie actually cared about democracy Trenzalore May 2016 #92
Lol BeyondGeography May 2016 #7
so what you're saying is that today is a vanity contest with no real meaning. Exilednight May 2016 #75
Just imagine the plaintive wails here if the tables were turned BeyondGeography May 2016 #79
I'm sure Hillary supporters filled out their primary ballots like good little soldiers so they liberal_at_heart May 2016 #8
... Kinda says it all, doesn't it. Agschmid May 2016 #10
These guys are Stash from "The Slaves of New York" Ever see that movie? LuvLoogie May 2016 #58
Point is.. Hillary wins when voter turn out is high fun n serious May 2016 #12
BS... Hillary Wins When Shenanigans Are Obviously Part of The Mix! CorporatistNation May 2016 #22
HOW? fun n serious May 2016 #37
Than you do not get to choose our nominee. fun n serious May 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #25
"good little soldiers" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #32
not even worth responding to. Welcome to my ignore list. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #38
In other words, "I've been owned" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #41
No, you've just been ignored MrMickeysMom May 2016 #55
Just a hint...keep a list of all the people who say they have ignored you...and whenever you see anotherproletariat May 2016 #60
Then why complain? MFM008 May 2016 #59
Hundreds of thousands of Sanders supporters voted, as well. TwilightZone May 2016 #66
So Hillary won when more people participated? Agschmid May 2016 #9
Meaningless results PowerToThePeople May 2016 #11
So far more than 250.000 people and counting fun n serious May 2016 #15
Actually it seems that turnout was/is MUCH higher than the caucus. Agschmid May 2016 #20
Yeah, only about 650,000 people voted... TwilightZone May 2016 #67
Because democrats work for a living, caucus is voter discrimination MattP May 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #23
LOL joshcryer May 2016 #29
How about those who can't do it? People who can't take off from work, people with small lunamagica May 2016 #69
the people in that state voted to have a primary dsc May 2016 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #83
Oh really dsc May 2016 #90
Calm down, its interesting to see what WA folks think. nt BootinUp May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #19
It's bullshit to see how people voted? Agschmid May 2016 #21
nt kurt_cagle May 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #18
And that's why caucusing is very disenfranchising... Agschmid May 2016 #24
John Oliver just did a piece on the WA primary Ned_Devine May 2016 #63
This is my favorite post of the whole Primary Season. Awesome. Thanks pkdu May 2016 #26
If you are referring to the video that's going around, watch it again. It's not about the race in CA jillan May 2016 #27
Ooh! Bern!!! IdaBriggs May 2016 #70
Then the super delegates in Washington should go to Hillary, We the people have spoken. Thinkingabout May 2016 #28
Shhh... Don't be so ridiculous. Agschmid May 2016 #30
Gee...maybe the voters changed their minds... brooklynite May 2016 #31
Oh man...this thread is giving me major LOLz! tritsofme May 2016 #33
It is all a yuuuge conspiracy tandot May 2016 #34
630,000 Democratic voters deserve to be hidden? brooklynite May 2016 #35
Yup. Agschmid May 2016 #36
Of course not. Only the ones for Hillary. DUH! grossproffit May 2016 #43
Becuase the primary is today nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #39
First election? grossproffit May 2016 #40
MSNBC is owned by Comcast. Nothing else need be said. bjo59 May 2016 #42
For the same reason HRC won the Nebraska primary. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #44
Ahhh, the Sanders' supporters.......... Beacool May 2016 #45
Totally amazing isn't it. And sad. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #47
Yep, it IS amazing..... Beacool May 2016 #49
+1000. nt ecstatic May 2016 #54
Hillary won the primary oberliner May 2016 #46
THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN IN WASHINGTON. HRC WINS!!!!!!!!!!!! fleabiscuit May 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #51
Yay! Votes are meaningless! Agschmid May 2016 #81
I think anytime 600,000 people participate in a political process woolldog May 2016 #82
It's what we do in this state MFM008 May 2016 #52
It fits and serves. n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #53
Because the job of the news is Eko May 2016 #57
Does somebody need a nap? mythology May 2016 #61
In Washington... pugetres May 2016 #62
Sanders won the caucus. Clinton won the primary. Washington has both a caucus and a primary. TwilightZone May 2016 #64
Flying off the handle without know valid information KingFlorez May 2016 #65
it is quite embarrassing, isn't it DrDan May 2016 #71
He won the caucus...hmm...suspicious Demsrule86 May 2016 #72
Reporting news. Why do you want reality suppressed? Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #74
I couldn't immediately tell whether this was satire nt firebrand80 May 2016 #76
We the people have spoken in Washington and Nebraska, where is the propaganda? Thinkingabout May 2016 #80
Hillary won the more democratic process workinclasszero May 2016 #85
Because a primary is far more democratic than a caucus and Hillary won - by a large margin. kstewart33 May 2016 #86
Haha Dem2 May 2016 #87
Bernie won the caucus: Last night Hillary won the higher turn out Primary. Really, you should riversedge May 2016 #88
Well, people voted in that primary election, even though it doesn't MineralMan May 2016 #91
Legit news - Sanders won caucus and delegates. Clinton won primary - no delegates, LAS14 May 2016 #93

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
78. Why would Bernie supporters be driven to vote?
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:36 AM
May 2016

And I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton tried to drive out her vote to push this narrative.

Response to Skwmom (Reply #78)

onenote

(42,496 posts)
94. If the Sanders team knew Clinton would try to get a big win in the Washington non-bindnig primary
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

why didn't they do anything to counteract that?

And here's another question: Was Clinton running ads in Washington state the last few weeks or days? Was Sanders?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Because the Washington State primary is today and includes a Presidential preference vote?
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016


Seems pretty obvious to me...

RandySF

(58,337 posts)
6. The state holds a primary but the party allocated delegates through the caucus.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

Primaries are also being held for down ballot races. They did this eight years ago (if anyone was paying attention) and no one went apeshit.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. So Once Again MSNBC Publicizes A MEANINGLESS "Contest!" That Bernie WON With 73% of VOTE!
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:26 PM
May 2016

The More Bullsh*t the merrier...

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
50. Not meaningless...now that Hillary has won, the super delegates have a good reason to support her
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

since every one of Washington's major Democratic office holders has already pledged to Hillary, and the Sanders people have been harassing them. It will be a good defense for them.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/03/29/23877594/washington-superdelegates-still-endorsing-clinton-spurning-pro-bernie-majority-of-state-voters

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
73. It is not meaningless
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:15 AM
May 2016

When way more people voted in the primary...it shows Bernie does not deserve the delegates...which is probably true of most caucuses he won.

riversedge

(70,002 posts)
89. Hillary won the Higher Turn-out Primary last night. not the very low caucus. Congrats to Hillary..
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

Because of Clinton's big lead, Sanders must flip more than 200 of her superdelegates if he hopes to reach 2,383.

But first, in order to sway them, Sanders will have to win a majority of pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses, his senior strategist Tad Devine has acknowledged. Superdelegates have never before lifted a candidate to the nomination when he or she trailed in the number of pledged delegates.

"I know that it is a steep road," Sanders said at a recent campaign rally, "but if we do very, very well in New Mexico, California and the other states on June 7, my hope is that we end this process with 50 percent plus one of the pledged delegates."

Sanders is far behind on that front.

Clinton is on an easy path to reach 2,026 pledged delegates — or more than half the 4,051 total — on June 7. She will get there even if she loses solidly in all six states.

Sanders needs more than 67 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to overtake her, requiring landslide victories.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/delegate-math-clinton-wraps-nomination-june-7-071625711--election.html?ref=gs

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
92. If Bernie actually cared about democracy
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

He'd insist delegates be seated by the primary because more people participated.

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
7. Lol
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

Last edited Wed May 25, 2016, 12:07 AM - Edit history (4)

Bernie won a caucus 73-27 when 230k people showed up. Now he losing with over 500k votes counted. Your guy benefited from an undemocratic process here, not HRC.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
75. so what you're saying is that today is a vanity contest with no real meaning.
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:18 AM
May 2016

Thanks for clearing that up.

BeyondGeography

(39,339 posts)
79. Just imagine the plaintive wails here if the tables were turned
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:37 AM
May 2016

And, hey, at least Obama was able to hold serve on the WA primary in '08. Then again, he was a much stronger candidate.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
8. I'm sure Hillary supporters filled out their primary ballots like good little soldiers so they
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:22 PM
May 2016

can gloat about the popular vote. The fact is here in WA the Democratic Party decided not to assign any delegates based on the primary. No delegates will come from the WA state primary. I was going to fill out my ballot and vote for Bernie but not only is the primary useless this election, but you have to check mark a box saying you are a Democrat. I just couldn't do it. I did it for the caucus because I knew that my vote would help select delegates, but I'm not check marking a box saying I'm a Democrat when my vote in the primary means absolutely nothing.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
22. BS... Hillary Wins When Shenanigans Are Obviously Part of The Mix!
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Ia., Massachusetts, Az., NY, Maryland... etc.

Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #8)

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
60. Just a hint...keep a list of all the people who say they have ignored you...and whenever you see
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:34 AM
May 2016

a post by them, you can pretty much have your way with them, and they will never know! Have fun!!

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
59. Then why complain?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

It's the rules. It's the process. Do it or dont. WA is a democratic state. It's not a Sanders state or Clinton State. We're a blue state. Left coast. Love it or leave it. " faults" and all... ( earthquake faults...get it? ).

TwilightZone

(25,416 posts)
66. Hundreds of thousands of Sanders supporters voted, as well.
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

Would you like to malign them while you're at it?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
11. Meaningless results
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

Zero delegates. Probably a lot of people did not even vote knowing it had no effect on the delegate count.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. Actually it seems that turnout was/is MUCH higher than the caucus.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Good to see people care about the downticket races.

Response to MattP (Reply #13)

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
69. How about those who can't do it? People who can't take off from work, people with small
Wed May 25, 2016, 06:38 AM
May 2016

children who can't afford a sitter to go caucusing, the disabled and elderly who can't stand in a room for hours (or days, apparently, like you did)...how is is it democratic for them?

dsc

(52,146 posts)
77. the people in that state voted to have a primary
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:32 AM
May 2016

and then the party bosses sued so that the primary wouldn't count. Yeah that is a whole heaping pile of democracy there.

Response to dsc (Reply #77)

dsc

(52,146 posts)
90. Oh really
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016
http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2015/07/washington-state-will-have-2016.html

For starters, Washington state parties had used a caucus/convention system to determine presidential preference in order select and allocate delegates to the national conventions in the earliest cycles of the post-reform era (1972-1988). After the 1988 cycle, however, an initiative push brought a presidential primary election to the northwest. In the time since that 1989 initiative, Democrats have never utilized the primary as a means of selecting, allocating or binding delegates. Instead, the Washington Democratic Party has opted to stick with the caucus/convention system.

and yes it did sue to retain that right.

Response to BootinUp (Reply #14)

kurt_cagle

(534 posts)
68. nt
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:33 AM
May 2016

I caucused, but to be honest, I really wish we'd gone with just the primary - the caucuses were clearly dominated by Sanders supporters, but my sense was that it was not really all that representative. I think that the caucuses should have focused primarily on platform, and left the actual election up to the primaries. Sanders would still have "won", but I suspect it would have been much closer to 53-47 than the 70% of the caucus result.

Response to CorporatistNation (Original post)

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
63. John Oliver just did a piece on the WA primary
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

It is actually unrecognized in the state. The dems do a caucus there. The votes for the primary don't really count. It was the first I'd ever heard of it.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
27. If you are referring to the video that's going around, watch it again. It's not about the race in CA
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

it's about calling an end to the primary season even tho she will not have 2383 PLEDGED delegates.
As of today she is 633 short. She will not make that up on the 7th.

Yes, she is closer but you know that old saying....
Close but no cigar.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
34. It is all a yuuuge conspiracy
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:39 PM
May 2016

As the millions of Clinton voters just don't get it ... there are thousands of us being right and millions of them just being totally wrong ... the system is just totally corrupt and just ignores the totally awesome and powerful minority

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
42. MSNBC is owned by Comcast. Nothing else need be said.
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

Except that the corporate interests in this country are feeling very, very nervous about California.

Beacool

(30,245 posts)
45. Ahhh, the Sanders' supporters..........
Tue May 24, 2016, 11:57 PM
May 2016

Drama 24/7. First of all, what Sanders won in March was a caucus. Today they held a primary, which Hillary won.

No wonder so many think that the nomination is rigged, they are just completely ignorant of the process.

Response to CorporatistNation (Original post)

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
82. I think anytime 600,000 people participate in a political process
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:10 AM
May 2016

and vote, that has meaning. They are making their voices heard.

Eko

(7,216 posts)
57. Because the job of the news is
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

to report things that are/have happened. Why is this such a problem for some people on here lately?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
61. Does somebody need a nap?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:34 AM
May 2016

How exactly is it misrepresenting anything? Sanders won the caucus and as usual Clinton wins the primaries where far more people are able to vote. This has been repeated throughout the entire process.

And in the name of not looking like you learned idioms from Free Republic, the phrase is beyond the pale. Although given the historical origin of the phrase being derogatory to the Irish, perhaps it's better to just avoid the phrase given the recent ado over the phrase off the reservation.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
62. In Washington...
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

Democrats hold a caucus that determine the candidate. It happened in March and HRC lost in ALL counties.

Republicans hold a primary and that just happened.

The State has to pay for a primary and they are required to have the names of ALL the presidential candidates listed on the ballot. The only race they are concerned with is on the GOP side.

I think that since the republican side already has their presumptive nominee that a lot of conservatives opted to fill out the democratic part of the ballot rather than the republican.

TwilightZone

(25,416 posts)
64. Sanders won the caucus. Clinton won the primary. Washington has both a caucus and a primary.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:59 AM
May 2016

You really should try to keep up so that you don't look ridiculous.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
72. He won the caucus...hmm...suspicious
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:14 AM
May 2016

Because the non-binding primary...Hillary clobbered him. Caucuses do not demonstrate the will of the voters in a state...disenfranchise many

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
85. Hillary won the more democratic process
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

Sanders won the undemocratic process.

Speaks volumes about Sanders appeal.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
86. Because a primary is far more democratic than a caucus and Hillary won - by a large margin.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

It's another sign that the nomination race is over.

It's on to fighting Trump for the win.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
87. Haha
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

Don't like the results when an enormous number of people who find a primary easier to participate in actually get to vote?

riversedge

(70,002 posts)
88. Bernie won the caucus: Last night Hillary won the higher turn out Primary. Really, you should
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

know the difference before your post. Your OP looks foolish.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
91. Well, people voted in that primary election, even though it doesn't
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

have anything to do with delegate allocations. The election was held, the votes were counted, and the news reported those results. Why should they not? I heard it on the CBS Morning News this morning. They gave the results and said that they didn't matter for the convention. Still, it happened and is news.

All Caps doesn't change the fact that people in Washington voted in this. BTW, it is a valid primary for state and local offices, but doesn't affect Washinton's delegates to the national convention.

LAS14

(13,766 posts)
93. Legit news - Sanders won caucus and delegates. Clinton won primary - no delegates,
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

but lots more people than Sanders.

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