WTF Is MSNBC Doing Showing Washington State Dem Primary Results When DEm Primary WON By Sanders

[CorporatistNation]

in March? Showing Hillary ahead... This is more PROPAGANDA... CORRUPTION ON A MASSIVE SYSTEMIC SCALE...

DESIGNED TO MIS REPRESENT FACT AND MISINFORM THE PUBLIC! ABSOLUTELY BEYOND THE PALL! THIS IS THE ESTABLISHMENT CORPORATE MEDIA! MSNBC is a RAT INFESTED Cesspool of Establishment shills!

[hrmjustin]

1. Should they hide todays results.

http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/President-Democratic-Party.html

[WhiteTara]

2. That was a caucus in March

These are the primaries.

Edited to add: Is this your first primary season?

[MattP]

3. Ten times the votes with 30% in

[Skwmom]

78. Why would Bernie supporters be driven to vote?

And I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton tried to drive out her vote to push this narrative.

[onenote]

94. If the Sanders team knew Clinton would try to get a big win in the Washington non-bindnig primary

why didn't they do anything to counteract that?

And here's another question: Was Clinton running ads in Washington state the last few weeks or days? Was Sanders?

[Renew Deal]

4. Bernie wins when less people vote

[Recursion]

5. Because the Washington State primary is today and includes a Presidential preference vote?

Seems pretty obvious to me...

[RandySF]

6. The state holds a primary but the party allocated delegates through the caucus.

Primaries are also being held for down ballot races. They did this eight years ago (if anyone was paying attention) and no one went apeshit.

[CorporatistNation]

17. So Once Again MSNBC Publicizes A MEANINGLESS "Contest!" That Bernie WON With 73% of VOTE!

The More Bullsh*t the merrier...

[anotherproletariat]

50. Not meaningless...now that Hillary has won, the super delegates have a good reason to support her

since every one of Washington's major Democratic office holders has already pledged to Hillary, and the Sanders people have been harassing them. It will be a good defense for them.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/03/29/23877594/washington-superdelegates-still-endorsing-clinton-spurning-pro-bernie-majority-of-state-voters

[MFM008]

56. My vote isn't meaningless

Thanks. We all voted today. A ballot was sent to every voter in WA state.

[Demsrule86]

73. It is not meaningless

When way more people voted in the primary...it shows Bernie does not deserve the delegates...which is probably true of most caucuses he won.

[riversedge]

89. Hillary won the Higher Turn-out Primary last night. not the very low caucus. Congrats to Hillary..

Because of Clinton's big lead, Sanders must flip more than 200 of her superdelegates if he hopes to reach 2,383.

But first, in order to sway them, Sanders will have to win a majority of pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses, his senior strategist Tad Devine has acknowledged. Superdelegates have never before lifted a candidate to the nomination when he or she trailed in the number of pledged delegates.

"I know that it is a steep road," Sanders said at a recent campaign rally, "but if we do very, very well in New Mexico, California and the other states on June 7, my hope is that we end this process with 50 percent plus one of the pledged delegates."

Sanders is far behind on that front.

Clinton is on an easy path to reach 2,026 pledged delegates — or more than half the 4,051 total — on June 7. She will get there even if she loses solidly in all six states.

Sanders needs more than 67 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to overtake her, requiring landslide victories.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/delegate-math-clinton-wraps-nomination-june-7-071625711--election.html?ref=gs

[Trenzalore]

92. If Bernie actually cared about democracy

He'd insist delegates be seated by the primary because more people participated.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Lol

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Bernie won a caucus 73-27 when 230k people showed up. Now he losing with over 500k votes counted. Your guy benefited from an undemocratic process here, not HRC.

[Exilednight]

75. so what you're saying is that today is a vanity contest with no real meaning.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[BeyondGeography]

79. Just imagine the plaintive wails here if the tables were turned

And, hey, at least Obama was able to hold serve on the WA primary in '08. Then again, he was a much stronger candidate.

[liberal_at_heart]

8. I'm sure Hillary supporters filled out their primary ballots like good little soldiers so they

can gloat about the popular vote. The fact is here in WA the Democratic Party decided not to assign any delegates based on the primary. No delegates will come from the WA state primary. I was going to fill out my ballot and vote for Bernie but not only is the primary useless this election, but you have to check mark a box saying you are a Democrat. I just couldn't do it. I did it for the caucus because I knew that my vote would help select delegates, but I'm not check marking a box saying I'm a Democrat when my vote in the primary means absolutely nothing.

[Agschmid]

10. ... Kinda says it all, doesn't it.

[LuvLoogie]

58. These guys are Stash from "The Slaves of New York" Ever see that movie?

[fun n serious]

12. Point is.. Hillary wins when voter turn out is high

[CorporatistNation]

22. BS... Hillary Wins When Shenanigans Are Obviously Part of The Mix!

Ia., Massachusetts, Az., NY, Maryland... etc.

[fun n serious]

37. HOW?

300,000 votes

[fun n serious]

16. Than you do not get to choose our nominee.

We will set the rules set in stone State to State

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. "good little soldiers"

So that's how you view people exercising their fucking rights?

[liberal_at_heart]

38. not even worth responding to. Welcome to my ignore list.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

41. In other words, "I've been owned"

[MrMickeysMom]

55. No, you've just been ignored

[anotherproletariat]

60. Just a hint...keep a list of all the people who say they have ignored you...and whenever you see

a post by them, you can pretty much have your way with them, and they will never know! Have fun!!

[MFM008]

59. Then why complain?

It's the rules. It's the process. Do it or dont. WA is a democratic state. It's not a Sanders state or Clinton State. We're a blue state. Left coast. Love it or leave it. " faults" and all... ( earthquake faults...get it? ).

[TwilightZone]

66. Hundreds of thousands of Sanders supporters voted, as well.

Would you like to malign them while you're at it?

[Agschmid]

9. So Hillary won when more people participated?

[PowerToThePeople]

11. Meaningless results

Zero delegates. Probably a lot of people did not even vote knowing it had no effect on the delegate count.

[fun n serious]

15. So far more than 250.000 people and counting

[Agschmid]

20. Actually it seems that turnout was/is MUCH higher than the caucus.

Good to see people care about the downticket races.

[TwilightZone]

67. Yeah, only about 650,000 people voted...

at last count. Roughly 25 times the caucus totals.

[MattP]

13. Because democrats work for a living, caucus is voter discrimination

[joshcryer]

29. LOL

[lunamagica]

69. How about those who can't do it? People who can't take off from work, people with small

children who can't afford a sitter to go caucusing, the disabled and elderly who can't stand in a room for hours (or days, apparently, like you did)...how is is it democratic for them?

[dsc]

77. the people in that state voted to have a primary

and then the party bosses sued so that the primary wouldn't count. Yeah that is a whole heaping pile of democracy there.

[dsc]

90. Oh really

http://frontloading.blogspot.com/2015/07/washington-state-will-have-2016.html

For starters, Washington state parties had used a caucus/convention system to determine presidential preference in order select and allocate delegates to the national conventions in the earliest cycles of the post-reform era (1972-1988). After the 1988 cycle, however, an initiative push brought a presidential primary election to the northwest. In the time since that 1989 initiative, Democrats have never utilized the primary as a means of selecting, allocating or binding delegates. Instead, the Washington Democratic Party has opted to stick with the caucus/convention system.

and yes it did sue to retain that right.

[BootinUp]

14. Calm down, its interesting to see what WA folks think. nt

[Agschmid]

21. It's bullshit to see how people voted?

Got it.

[kurt_cagle]

68. nt

I caucused, but to be honest, I really wish we'd gone with just the primary - the caucuses were clearly dominated by Sanders supporters, but my sense was that it was not really all that representative. I think that the caucuses should have focused primarily on platform, and left the actual election up to the primaries. Sanders would still have "won", but I suspect it would have been much closer to 53-47 than the 70% of the caucus result.

[Agschmid]

24. And that's why caucusing is very disenfranchising...

Who has four days to do that?!?!? I don't.

[Ned_Devine]

63. John Oliver just did a piece on the WA primary

It is actually unrecognized in the state. The dems do a caucus there. The votes for the primary don't really count. It was the first I'd ever heard of it.

[pkdu]

26. This is my favorite post of the whole Primary Season. Awesome. Thanks

Lol.

[jillan]

27. If you are referring to the video that's going around, watch it again. It's not about the race in CA

it's about calling an end to the primary season even tho she will not have 2383 PLEDGED delegates.
As of today she is 633 short. She will not make that up on the 7th.

Yes, she is closer but you know that old saying....
Close but no cigar.

[IdaBriggs]

70. Ooh! Bern!!!

[Thinkingabout]

28. Then the super delegates in Washington should go to Hillary, We the people have spoken.

[Agschmid]

30. Shhh... Don't be so ridiculous.

[brooklynite]

31. Gee...maybe the voters changed their minds...

...you know, like you expect the Superdelegates to do.

[tritsofme]

33. Oh man...this thread is giving me major LOLz!

But this level of denial is really quite pathetic.

[tandot]

34. It is all a yuuuge conspiracy

As the millions of Clinton voters just don't get it ... there are thousands of us being right and millions of them just being totally wrong ... the system is just totally corrupt and just ignores the totally awesome and powerful minority

[brooklynite]

35. 630,000 Democratic voters deserve to be hidden?

[Agschmid]

36. Yup.

[grossproffit]

43. Of course not. Only the ones for Hillary. DUH!

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Becuase the primary is today

but it is not binding

[grossproffit]

40. First election?

[bjo59]

42. MSNBC is owned by Comcast. Nothing else need be said.

Except that the corporate interests in this country are feeling very, very nervous about California.

[fleabiscuit]

44. For the same reason HRC won the Nebraska primary. eom

[Beacool]

45. Ahhh, the Sanders' supporters..........

Drama 24/7. First of all, what Sanders won in March was a caucus. Today they held a primary, which Hillary won.

No wonder so many think that the nomination is rigged, they are just completely ignorant of the process.

[fleabiscuit]

47. Totally amazing isn't it. And sad. eom

[Beacool]

49. Yep, it IS amazing.....

[ecstatic]

54. +1000. nt

[oberliner]

46. Hillary won the primary

Sanders won the caucus.

[fleabiscuit]

48. THE VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN IN WASHINGTON. HRC WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Agschmid]

81. Yay! Votes are meaningless!

Woohoo!

Why vote, you don't matter!

The truth is finally revealed.

[woolldog]

82. I think anytime 600,000 people participate in a political process

and vote, that has meaning. They are making their voices heard.

[MFM008]

52. It's what we do in this state

This time everyone gets to vote. Not just a few in a caucus.

[tazkcmo]

53. It fits and serves. n/t

[Eko]

57. Because the job of the news is

to report things that are/have happened. Why is this such a problem for some people on here lately?

[mythology]

61. Does somebody need a nap?

How exactly is it misrepresenting anything? Sanders won the caucus and as usual Clinton wins the primaries where far more people are able to vote. This has been repeated throughout the entire process.

And in the name of not looking like you learned idioms from Free Republic, the phrase is beyond the pale. Although given the historical origin of the phrase being derogatory to the Irish, perhaps it's better to just avoid the phrase given the recent ado over the phrase off the reservation.

[pugetres]

62. In Washington...

Democrats hold a caucus that determine the candidate. It happened in March and HRC lost in ALL counties.

Republicans hold a primary and that just happened.

The State has to pay for a primary and they are required to have the names of ALL the presidential candidates listed on the ballot. The only race they are concerned with is on the GOP side.

I think that since the republican side already has their presumptive nominee that a lot of conservatives opted to fill out the democratic part of the ballot rather than the republican.

[TwilightZone]

64. Sanders won the caucus. Clinton won the primary. Washington has both a caucus and a primary.

You really should try to keep up so that you don't look ridiculous.

[KingFlorez]

65. Flying off the handle without know valid information

[DrDan]

71. it is quite embarrassing, isn't it

[Demsrule86]

72. He won the caucus...hmm...suspicious

Because the non-binding primary...Hillary clobbered him. Caucuses do not demonstrate the will of the voters in a state...disenfranchise many

[NCTraveler]

74. Reporting news. Why do you want reality suppressed? Nt

[firebrand80]

76. I couldn't immediately tell whether this was satire nt

[Thinkingabout]

80. We the people have spoken in Washington and Nebraska, where is the propaganda?

[workinclasszero]

85. Hillary won the more democratic process

Sanders won the undemocratic process.

Speaks volumes about Sanders appeal.

[kstewart33]

86. Because a primary is far more democratic than a caucus and Hillary won - by a large margin.

It's another sign that the nomination race is over.

It's on to fighting Trump for the win.

[Dem2]

87. Haha

Don't like the results when an enormous number of people who find a primary easier to participate in actually get to vote?

[riversedge]

88. Bernie won the caucus: Last night Hillary won the higher turn out Primary. Really, you should

know the difference before your post. Your OP looks foolish.

[MineralMan]

91. Well, people voted in that primary election, even though it doesn't

have anything to do with delegate allocations. The election was held, the votes were counted, and the news reported those results. Why should they not? I heard it on the CBS Morning News this morning. They gave the results and said that they didn't matter for the convention. Still, it happened and is news.

All Caps doesn't change the fact that people in Washington voted in this. BTW, it is a valid primary for state and local offices, but doesn't affect Washinton's delegates to the national convention.

[LAS14]

93. Legit news - Sanders won caucus and delegates. Clinton won primary - no delegates,

but lots more people than Sanders.