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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:07 AM May 2016

Cornel West Doesn't Deserve a Say in the Democratic Party Platform

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/cornel-west-democratic-platform/

Cornel West forfeited the privilege of being taken seriously both incrementally and in broadsides in the years since Barack Obama made the decision to run for president, and often for reasons that do little more than serve West's own slighted ego. The story of West's turn against "Brother Obama," the first black person elected President of the United States, goes all the way back to 2007, when he took great offense to Obama's refusal to allow him to grandstand on the announcement that Obama would be running for president. West wanted Obama to make the announcement at Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union meeting in Virginia, but, not surprisingly, Obama made the announcement in Illinois. West immediately decried this as proof that Obama was holding black people "at arm's length" to appeal to white voters, so right off the bat West staked out the "Obama is a disappointment" position (even though it was far more likely that Obama's choice not to pay the necessary tribute to West at the Smiley event is what incensed him so).



From there, after a brief respite in which he seemed to embrace the candidate wholeheartedly, Cornel West began a kind of crusade against Obama from the left fringe. Now setting aside the fact that West has spent eight years comically raging against not only the standard-bearer for the Democratic party but one of the most effective and, yes, liberal Democratic presidents in the modern age of this country -- a fact which should make his appointment to the Democratic Platform Committee highly questionable -- there's the way he's raged that should disqualify him outright. It was just last year that West's criticism of Obama crescendoed with a comment that was both shocking and unforgivable. He had already accused the president of, as fellow black scholar Michael Eric Dyson referred to it, "political minstrelsy," as well calling him a "counterfeit" progressive and a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface," but in June of 2015 he went for broke.

During a live appearance on CNN, West claimed Obama had been "niggerized," with the exact quote being, "The first black president has become the first niggerized black president." When pressed by an obviously aghast Poppy Harlow, West elaborated: "A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy." So regardless of Cornel West's status as a black man and an intellectual alleging to speak in academic terms, what you had was someone referring to the first black President of the United States using one of the most reprehensible racial slurs in the English language. It doesn't matter one bit what his twisted rationale was -- it was outrageous and disgraceful. It showed that West's personal obsession with Barack Obama had finally truly overwhelmed any good judgment he happened to have left.
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Cornel West Doesn't Deserve a Say in the Democratic Party Platform (Original Post) ericson00 May 2016 OP
Sanders campaign got 5 positions Buzz cook May 2016 #1
You still don't get it. West as a surrogate caused Sanders many . . . brush May 2016 #11
Maybe it was a bad choice but it was Sanders to make, not ours nt Buzz cook May 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #21
Nah! Black people knew about West as a surrogate for Sanders brush May 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #35
Who the hell threatens to primary a sitting president? brush May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #41
Good question, who indeed threatened that? It wasn't Sanders. Scootaloo May 2016 #51
Ted fucking Kennedy? frylock May 2016 #72
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri May 2016 #25
The fact he picked West Demsrule86 May 2016 #63
Says the self-designated custodian of Bernie's image RufusTFirefly May 2016 #76
Well he has a say so his detractors will have to come to grips. NWCorona May 2016 #2
trust me, there are some powerful people who could help see West to the exit ericson00 May 2016 #4
It's not gonna happen. NWCorona May 2016 #5
oh it will, soon enough. His hateful views ericson00 May 2016 #6
Have you followed the process at all? NWCorona May 2016 #12
when the ADL, AJC, AIPAC, and those who don't think Obama is a "war criminal," n-word-ized, etc. ericson00 May 2016 #27
They haven't stopped him yet and they won't now. NWCorona May 2016 #30
you watch; they will and it will be beautiful ericson00 May 2016 #31
I don't mind waiting but I don't think he has to worry. NWCorona May 2016 #33
Your song is getting boring. Maybe you could learn more than one note? Matt_in_STL May 2016 #68
Uh huh. Chan790 May 2016 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #7
yes I will! I await it ericson00 May 2016 #9
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too bad actual polls of POC show high approval numbers for Obama ericson00 May 2016 #28
As a social worker, I know plenty of people with genius IQs who have serious mental health issues. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #36
Both of you Spacedog1973 May 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #61
Sorry, but there is a link between bipolar disorder and creative genius, especially with writers. kerry-is-my-prez May 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #87
You don't know what you're talking about brush May 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #37
Keep believing that. He is not popular with rank and file black voters brush May 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #44
You sound a lot like the guy who got banned for the Stockholm Syndrome . . . brush May 2016 #46
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He's entitled to his opinion, crackpot as it is... Chan790 May 2016 #83
He can say what he wants and exactly 0 Demsrule86 May 2016 #64
I don't care for Fox Demsrule86 May 2016 #65
Nobody has a working crystal ball here NWCorona May 2016 #70
West can pound sand and so can anyone that wants to lionize him. Number23 May 2016 #3
+ 1 JoePhilly May 2016 #16
180° difference between the two. Ellison is a reasoned, respectable voice. West is a verbal viper. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #26
Branding someone with a mental illness because they have a difference of opinion? ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #56
I love how you pulled that squarely out of your hiney just so you can have a fight with somebody Number23 May 2016 #57
"psychotically deranged" ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #58
You're right. Deranged is a mental illness. And you have every right to get so bent out of shape Number23 May 2016 #59
I get upset when people use mental illness as an insult. ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #67
I'll look for your shrieking "upset" the next thread where Hillary Clinton is called every vile name Number23 May 2016 #75
more gaslighting from Hillarians TheSarcastinator May 2016 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #8
Myself and the American people will take "neoliberal" over hateful self-proclaimed "prophet" ericson00 May 2016 #10
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he supports BDS ericson00 May 2016 #19
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the mainstream Jews, who aren't deluded enough to believe ericson00 May 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #24
Yep. Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism. End of story. grossproffit May 2016 #79
The "Anti-Semite" that Jewish Sanders chose? arcane1 May 2016 #80
I disagree with you and wow talk of vitrol you have plenty. Todays_Illusion May 2016 #13
using racial slurs about a POTUS, calling him a war criminal, is not mere criticism. ericson00 May 2016 #23
You are 100% thoroughly discredited, and you double-down on it arcane1 May 2016 #81
Clintonites aren't very good at accepting criticism. FYI, that's not "hate". That's tough love. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #14
Tell me again how you want to bar Syrian refugees from the US. -nt- chascarrillo May 2016 #38
Since when is the Democratic Party the local country club? pinebox May 2016 #40
since when is it some pseudo-intellectual classroom? ericson00 May 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #45
Fuckin' liberals, all educated and shit. -nt- chascarrillo May 2016 #47
OFFS Recursion May 2016 #52
No cornel does not deserve to be at the DNC platform table underthematrix May 2016 #53
He doesn't. JTFrog May 2016 #54
Of course a strong dissenting black voice shouldn't be allowed..... ForgoTheConsequence May 2016 #55
He is a fox guy Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
I'm sory, but did you just try to claim that Dr. West is a Fox News "guy"? TheSarcastinator May 2016 #73
Unbelievable rjsquirrel May 2016 #66
He is not a Real American , Like Hillary is, he doesn't like war . bahrbearian May 2016 #69
I think he's just fine, and his voice LWolf May 2016 #71
Thanks I'll prefer prof west to this Clinton supporter Doctor_J May 2016 #77
He'll be a fine counterpoint to the corporatists that Hillary and Debbie will appoint. arcane1 May 2016 #78
Cornel can say what he wants. He has no black audience. kwassa May 2016 #85
West is likely to vote for Jill Stein in November geek tragedy May 2016 #86

brush

(53,741 posts)
11. You still don't get it. West as a surrogate caused Sanders many . . .
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

African American votes. What a stupid decision that was, and the Sanders camp wonders why they don't get black votes.

Hillary's lead is largely because of black voters rejecting Sanders/West.

Now he's on the platform committee. Guess he can't do too much damage there as the damage to Sanders' chances has already been done.

This does seem like a final swipe at Obama by Sanders though, who wanted to primary him, a sitting President, in 2012.

Why else would he appoint someone to the platform committee of the Democratic Party who has said the absolute most vile things that could be said of a black man, a black man who just happens to be the head of the Democratic Party.

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brush

(53,741 posts)
32. Nah! Black people knew about West as a surrogate for Sanders
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

We were not amused, or at Sanders' wish to primary a SITTING PRESIDENT the first black president, what an insult.

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brush

(53,741 posts)
39. Who the hell threatens to primary a sitting president?
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:03 AM
May 2016

It was a reckless thing to say.

You already have the White House and you're talking about primarying.

That happened in 1980 with Kennedy primarying Carter and look what happened.

We got effin Reagan.

People remember stuff like that and vote accordingly.

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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
25. ^^^This!^^^
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016
Guess he can't do too much damage there as the damage to Sanders' chances has already been done.


As only one of 15, his nefarious influence will be neutered.

"His beak will be shut", as the French say.
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
4. trust me, there are some powerful people who could help see West to the exit
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

and I cannot wait to see the reaction when that happens!

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
12. Have you followed the process at all?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

Each of the three submitters, Hillary, DWS and Bernie submitted a short list with Bernie having about 11 people. Those were vetted down to five with him being one of those.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
27. when the ADL, AJC, AIPAC, and those who don't think Obama is a "war criminal," n-word-ized, etc.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

get thru with West, he'll wish he never met Bernie.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
31. you watch; they will and it will be beautiful
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:47 AM
May 2016

like I said, people are just starting to peel the bark off West.

The big bad, "Israel Lobby" aka mass American support for Israel, is coming! D

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
33. I don't mind waiting but I don't think he has to worry.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:52 AM
May 2016

Like I said he was already vetted before being selected.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
82. Uh huh.
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

Not holding my breath. They've had a target out for West for decades and haven't managed to do fuck-all to him in terms of damage...I think the "Israel Lobby" as you called it, has an inflated opinion of their authority, worth, and actual impact.

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kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
29. As a social worker, I know plenty of people with genius IQs who have serious mental health issues.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

I would not want most of them working on the party platform.

Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #29)

Spacedog1973

(221 posts)
60. Both of you
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:02 AM
May 2016

Talking about 'IQ' s' like neither knows a thing about them, their history, use or meaning. Testing IQ in this day and age should never be done for anything other than what they were created for; children's educational need. 'Genius' level IQ is meaningless.

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kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
84. Sorry, but there is a link between bipolar disorder and creative genius, especially with writers.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:34 PM
May 2016

They're finding a link with scientists too. I've worked with mentally ill adults for many years and the bipolar individuals are almost always extremely bright.

Voc Rehab tests our adult clients if they are trying to get jobs through them to make sure they don't have any learning disabilities. In addition, if someone has developmental disabilities, they will be more likely to be able to get on disability.

Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #84)

brush

(53,741 posts)
34. You don't know what you're talking about
Wed May 25, 2016, 01:07 AM
May 2016

Obama is very popular in the black community. West is very unpopular.

And if you were black you would know that.

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brush

(53,741 posts)
42. Keep believing that. He is not popular with rank and file black voters
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:13 AM
May 2016

Of course I'm not claiming to be a black intellectual (I mean, who goes around calling themselves a black intellectual), but Micheal Eric Dyson and MHP are not fans of West, just like, as I said, the rank and file black voters.

West is one of the reasons Sanders gets few black votes.

It's no secret. Why do you think this thread exists.

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brush

(53,741 posts)
46. You sound a lot like the guy who got banned for the Stockholm Syndrome . . .
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:27 AM
May 2016

post. He also thought he was so much more intelligent than everyone else.

Hah! You go, you black intellectual you.

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Chan790

(20,176 posts)
83. He's entitled to his opinion, crackpot as it is...
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

it's still less offensive than the inclusion of Tanden. West is a bigot...Tanden is a vocal advocate of anti-Democratic policy positions.

Which one is worse?

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
65. I don't care for Fox
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:25 AM
May 2016

fake 'liberal' Democratic haters...he schills for money...nice choice Bernie...says much about you.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. West can pound sand and so can anyone that wants to lionize him.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:11 AM
May 2016

Keith Ellison is a much smarter, far less psychotically deranged and hate filled choice.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
26. 180° difference between the two. Ellison is a reasoned, respectable voice. West is a verbal viper.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
56. Branding someone with a mental illness because they have a difference of opinion?
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:05 AM
May 2016

Please proceed Hillary supporters....

Number23

(24,544 posts)
57. I love how you pulled that squarely out of your hiney just so you can have a fight with somebody
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:10 AM
May 2016

'Cause fighting with EVERYBODY is certainly something you Sanders folks like to do. Too bad all that "righteous" anger didn't translate better at the polls and ballot boxes.

I'd ask specifically what "mental illness" I said Corny had and what the "difference of opinion" was over that you apparently see even though I typed no such thing but that would give the impression that I was interested.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
59. You're right. Deranged is a mental illness. And you have every right to get so bent out of shape
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:32 AM
May 2016

over that as though I'd psychologically diagnosed him and not just expressed an opinion.

But what do you call someone who pretends somebody said something just so they can fight over it? Do you get upset anytime anyone calls anyone deranged or just Corny?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
67. I get upset when people use mental illness as an insult.
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

Just like when they called someone a racist term. Grow up.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
75. I'll look for your shrieking "upset" the next thread where Hillary Clinton is called every vile name
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

in the book, "deranged" being one of the kinder ones.

Because surely this level of just and righteous anger is non-partisan, right? Grow up your damn self.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
74. more gaslighting from Hillarians
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

they want everyone who criticizes Her Majesty to be thought of as mentally ill...real classy.

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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
10. Myself and the American people will take "neoliberal" over hateful self-proclaimed "prophet"
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

and anti-Semite Cornel West.

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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
22. the mainstream Jews, who aren't deluded enough to believe
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

that anti-Semitism's non-demise after Holocaust sympathy is all because of Israel, are against BDS.

There's a reason BDS is doing so miserably in America and Hillary Clinton is strongly against it.

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arcane1

(38,613 posts)
80. The "Anti-Semite" that Jewish Sanders chose?
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016


Your support for neoliberals makes you no better than Dick Cheney. You have no business on this site as anything but a disruptor if that's how you really feel. Or at least, if that's how you're told to pretend to feel.


Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
13. I disagree with you and wow talk of vitrol you have plenty.
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

If criticism of Obama means to not allow him participate that would exclude a lot of Democratic who have been quite nasty and disloyal to President Obama including as you know many who are super delegates.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
14. Clintonites aren't very good at accepting criticism. FYI, that's not "hate". That's tough love. (nt)
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

Response to ericson00 (Reply #43)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
52. OFFS
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:14 AM
May 2016

The one qualification any of Sanders's picks needs is "Sanders picked them". Ditto Clinton's picks.

Still, for two inauguration tickets we could have avoided all this...

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
53. No cornel does not deserve to be at the DNC platform table
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

and I have made my concerns known. But I take the advice of my beloved President Obama. We're playing the long game her so if we have to eat some shit in the process so be it. The main goal is to turn DC completely BLUE so we can protect the agins we've made and finish what we started.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
54. He doesn't.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:43 AM
May 2016

And it doesn't surprise me in the least that Bernie and some of his supporters are too ignorant to understand why.



Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
62. He is a fox guy
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:22 AM
May 2016

And is constantly criticizing Democrats and Obama in particular....I dislike West as should all liberals. Why am I not surprised Bernie picks this guy? Totally inappropriate.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
73. I'm sory, but did you just try to claim that Dr. West is a Fox News "guy"?
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

The absolute ignorance of this post is astonishing: West has critiqued Obama from the Left, not the Right, and has been a major part of the progressive movement for decades.

Your ignorance is astonishing.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
66. Unbelievable
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:35 AM
May 2016

A man who openly race-shames our first black president, an outright narcissist, and a toxic figure in every setting, Brother Cornell seems like a sabotage move.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
85. Cornel can say what he wants. He has no black audience.
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

He has no representation among black Democrats. He is far to the left of almost all of them. Cornel has alienated them with his absurd over-the-top critiques of Obama.

Why does he, an individual representing no core Democratic constituency, have a role in determining platform?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
86. West is likely to vote for Jill Stein in November
Fri May 27, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

so he really belongs on the Green Party's platform committee.

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