2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Nation: If Bernie Is Serious About Political Revolution, He Has to Work With Democratic Party
Interesting article from the Nation regarding whether Bernie can actually utilize the position of influence he has gain or whether he ends up being seen as a Ralph Nader like spoiler. Put another way, if Hillary wins the Presidency, Bernie could justifiably clam that it was with his support if he supports her. However, if she loses, rightly or wrongly, Bernie will be blamed.
http://www.thenation.com/article/if-bernie-is-serious-about-political-revolution-he-has-to-work-with-the-democratic-party/
Bernie Sanders is in a strong position to shake up Democratic Party politics. But the chaos at last weeks Nevada state convention reveals a real possibility that his candidacy could end up as little more than a footnote in the story of the 2016 campaign.
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But the kinds of sweeping, transformational changes that Sanders calls for have only ever been achieved with a coordinated inside/outside strategy. While Sanders supporters are quick to note that Hillary Clinton cant win the 2016 election without their support, many of them overlook the fact that the broader progressive movement cant achieve the goals Sanders champions if it alienates those who backed Clinton.
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The key point is that the whole brouhaha was ultimately fueled by the widely held belief among Sanders supporters that Clintons victories are illegitimatethat shes on the verge of clinching the nomination only because of the DNCs chicanery or media bias. At some point, they need to understand that Sanders is trailing in this race because his campaign hasnt resonated with key groups of Democratic primary votersAfrican Americans, women, and people over the age of 45.
Most of those voters arent right-wingers or sell-outs or establishment shills, and if Sanderss campaign alienates them too badly, hell end up with as much influence over the future of the party as Ralph Nader. So yes, Hillary Clinton needs Sanderss supporters to win the 2016 election, but Sanders needs Clintons backers to bring about any real change in Democratic Party politics. Its a two-way street.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)but they have no interest in helping him. They are just trying to figure out which magic words will manipulate us.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)They are quaking in their boots, now that the anointed one is faltering in recent polls.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)I'm sure he will work within the party.
The question is what kind of Democratic Party do you want.
I like the one that LBJ was living under, and not Reagan with his Reagan Democrats did.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)The DNC turned corporate, and we dont need to work with that cancerous element. We need to work around them, take in Dems who care about the people, and flush the 3 wayers.
Quit smoking cold-turkey, quit the greed cold turkey, stop the bleeding.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...is as accurate as saying that Clinton hasn't resonated with men.
Both statements are ridiculous generalizations. Sanders resonated with millions of women and Clinton with millions of men.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)could have done more to head off the ruckus in Nevada. I would appreciate them spelling out exactly what that would be. Of course there are new rules now that make the campaigns take more responsibility at conventions, maybe thats what the author meant?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Nation is wrong. Much more sweeping and transformational changes than those Sanders advocates have been achieved witnout a coordinated inside/outside strategy. There are exampkes from history that prove this.
Yet Sanders has cjosen to work from inside.
The Nation then goes off on a "supporters" tear to prop up a weak anti-Bernie position.